Cooperation Game II
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: RomesThe Wiz posted the teams in the other thread for keeping teams/rules/scores straight. Here's the teams:
Team Players 1 Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, Dummy 1 2 Jufo81, SM777, gordonm888, PlayYourCardsRight, Romes 3 DJTeddyBear, PokerGrinder, Dalex64, GWAE, billryan 4 Nathan, troopscott, onenickelmiracle, Nathan, OnceDear 5 Joeman, MidwestAP, beachbumbabs, Face, UKMark 6 RS, miplet, SOOPOO, Dummy 2, Jmarch79 7 gamerfreak, GWAE, JohnnyQ, MaxPen, djatc 8 Ayecarumba, Boz, HeyMrDJ, prozema, sodawater
Team #2, FYI I'm voting share, every round, unless specified differently by the entire group/team.
To answer a previous question.... Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mkey75, Keeneone, and Dummy 1 vote share in round 1. Everyone else votes steal.
i am requesting Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, and Dummy 1 to vote share. I am requesting all others to vote steal.
Edit.... Why am I so pathetic at formatting?
Why would individual members signal a lack of cooperation before the game starts on the SOOPOO plan?
1) Pool winnings
2) Most teams vote steal, one team votes share.
3) Pool winnings at the end for something else.
Beats me. As I see it, the team that goes rogue and calls steal when all others call steal by collusion will simply shoot us all in the foot. rogue calling share when they ought to call steal will get no benefit. It would seem to need massively a disruptive rabble to ruin this, and to no benefit for themselves.Quote: KeeneoneThis is a cooperation game right? The Wizard can change the rules at any time.
Why would individual members signal a lack of cooperation before the game starts on the SOOPOO plan?
1) Pool winnings
2) Most teams vote steal, one team votes share.
3) Pool winnings at the end for something else.
Now... how will Wizard counter attack? I have a theory about that, but don't wish to encourage him.
So far, I preferred the old variant of Cooperation 1.
So, Keenone... are you in on the collusion and sharing?
Quote: KeeneoneThis is a cooperation game right? The Wizard can change the rules at any time.
Why would individual members signal a lack of cooperation before the game starts on the SOOPOO plan?
1) Pool winnings
2) Most teams vote steal, one team votes share.
3) Pool winnings at the end for something else.
Perhaps because they have nothing invested.
There are indeed some who don't feel invested in this community. Wreckers over APs. They get the chance to reveal themselves here.Quote: billryanPerhaps because they have nothing invested.
Don't worry though. I would not aspire to ban them for that :o)
Hmmmmm. Mind you, maybe a few selective and well timed suspensions could skew the voting.... Must check the game rules $:o) What's the worst that could happen: I could get relieved of duty.....
Babs... Other mods... Wizard... Are you up for a bit of powered up collusion mischief? LOL.
Wizard... Is there any rule against colluding with you for bribes? My mind is in overdrive.
I expect that the evil and Machiavellian Wizard will put me in the same team as those he knows to be rogues... It's what I'd do.
:o)
Wizard has one edge.... He sees all the votes and most of the lies. I see this game in a whole new light.
....Look folks... I'm just joking... Big smiley face :o)
Yes..... But it would involve a level of mischief we have yet to imagine.Quote: billryanIs there a scenario in this where Mike wins?
Mike's a straight up and down honest guy. That's his strength and his weakness.
These cooperation games are surely a study in human nature. If I were to guess, I'd say he's prepared to pay up for the fun and extra traffic, though mostly the fun of seeing we experimental mice do his subtle bidding. Remember Hitchhikers guide... The mice were experimenting on the humans by messing up the behavioural experiments Clever mice
Quote: billryanIs there a scenario in this where Mike wins?
Mike "wins" no matter what occurs. I see him more like a "dungeon master", creating and guiding the game. He is interested in participation, the process, and the results.
Quote: billryanIs there a scenario in this where Mike wins?
Not monetarily. But I think he would get the maximum enjoyment out of creating a set of rules where we struggle to co-operate with each other and don’t win much money.
Quote: KeeneoneThis is a cooperation game right? The Wizard can change the rules at any time.
Why would individual members signal a lack of cooperation before the game starts on the SOOPOO plan?
1) Pool winnings
2) Most teams vote steal, one team votes share.
3) Pool winnings at the end for something else.
What's the fun in everyone following the strategy one person created for 40 others? Did I miss the rule where others can't think for themselves?
Yes, I agree to all 3. I already posted my intentions earlier in the thread (and you actually responded to it).Quote: OnceDearBeats me. As I see it, the team that goes rogue and calls steal when all others call steal by collusion will simply shoot us all in the foot. rogue calling share when they ought to call steal will get no benefit. It would seem to need massively a disruptive rabble to ruin this, and to no benefit for themselves.
Now... how will Wizard counter attack? I have a theory about that, but don't wish to encourage him.
So far, I preferred the old variant of Cooperation 1.
So, Keenone... are you in on the collusion and sharing?
So why did you not agree to #3 now before the game starts? Couldn't your lack of cooperation (on parlaying winnings - which is fine btw) have waited until the game (and payouts) was complete?
I just didn't wish to commit to the team parlay until I know more about it. I'm pretty commited to transferng funds from Wizard to some charity of my choosing.... Maybe a controversial one :o)Quote: KeeneoneYes, I agree to all 3. I already posted my intentions earlier in the thread (and you actually responded to it).
So why did you not agree to #3 now before the game starts? Couldn't your lack of cooperation (on parlaying winnings - which is fine btw) have waited until the game (and payouts) was complete?
Quote: SM777What's the fun in everyone following the strategy one person created for 40 others? Did I miss the rule where others can't think for themselves?
Make a counter proposal. I'd be happy to discuss.
I don't like the following ideas:
1. Everyone vote share... Too much incentive to deviate.
2. Everyone vote steal... No one gets paid.
3. No cooperation... #2 will likely happen.
Quote: SM777What's the fun in everyone following the strategy one person created for 40 others? Did I miss the rule where others can't think for themselves?
Of course you have the right to think for yourself. And if you perceive the concept is to win as much money from Mike the result of that thinking will be to Cooperate (notice the name of the game...) as that guarantees the most money taken from Mike. So unless you plan to shoot yourself in the face to make it so that others do not win (and have to convince two of your four teammates to be jerks as well) it is easy peasy. So explain how 'thinking for yourself' will be helpful?
My motivation is to 'beat Mike'. If you have a motivation to mess it up for the other members more power to you.
Quote: SM777What's the fun in everyone following the strategy one person created for 40 others? Did I miss the rule where others can't think for themselves?
I think the fun has just begun. Keep in mind:
People are allowed to lie.
The teams will shuffle.
The rules will change.
For THIS round, it would work best for you and everyone else for you to vote steal. But if you vote share, I think it will make little difference, as long as you agree NOW that you will share in the earned pool. If you don't agree to that part, chances are you will make less overall, because it is a team game, and the rest of the team can out vote individuals in all circumstances, at least as the rules stand.
Your call, but I'm on your team this round, so I thought I'd weigh in.
Edit: correction, I'm not on your team. Except in the larger sense in trying to pick Wizard'a pocket.
Quote: billryanAre people allowed to cheat? Should someone devise a plan that results in his getting everything, is that gamesmanship or grounds for getting banned?
In real life one person being so devious as to make sure HE or SHE won EVERYTHING
would be "Cutthroat, all fair's in love and war," but on this Forum, doing that would spoil the milk for fellow posters and Admins. People on WOV would be talking about how selfish the "Winner," was and the "Winner," would retort,"I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money and look out for number one!" It would just be uncomfortable.
Quote: billryanAre people allowed to cheat? Should someone devise a plan that results in his getting everything, is that gamesmanship or grounds for getting banned?
Gamesmanship.
It's a game: An exercise in Wizard assessing his members: And a multi faceted challenge.Quote: NathanIn real life one person being so devious as to make sure HE or SHE won EVERYTHING
would be "Cutthroat, all fair's in love and war," but on this Forum, doing that would spoil the milk for fellow posters and Admins. People on WOV would be talking about how selfish the "Winner," was and the "Winner," would retort,"I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money and look out for number one!" It would just be uncomfortable.
Cheating and lying is not only acceptable - it's encouraged.
We'll get grumbling and squabbling afterwards.
Think of it like a party game on Christmas day - guaranteed to cause unrest till summer, or in some cases, into old age.
:o)
That said, I don't know yet how we can effectively cheat.
I don't know that cheating is allowed nor encouraged.Quote: OnceDearIt's a game: An exercise in Wizard assessing his members: And a multi faceted challenge.
Cheating and lying is not only acceptable - it's encouraged.
We'll get grumbling and squabbling afterwards.
Think of it like a party game on Christmas day - guaranteed to cause unrest till summer, or in some cases, into old age.
:o)
That said, I don't know yet how we can effectively cheat.
For example:
If one got ahold of Mikes password and used that information, they should be disqualified.
If someone had more than one account, they should be disqualified.
If someone had access to another members device and changes their vote. Funny for sure, but they should be disqualified.
If I asked someone to make an account that looked very similar to another members name, such as 0nceDear(obviously a non green member) and waited until the last minute and had that person send Mike a PM with a vote change I doubt Mike would even notice that it was not the original person. Would that would be fair game? I would LMAO if it worked. bjatc Oh wait, he isn't even playing, is he?
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know that cheating is allowed nor encouraged.
For example:
If one got ahold of Mikes password and used that information, they should be disqualified.
If someone had more than one account, they should be disqualified.
If someone had access to another members device and changes their vote. Funny for sure, but they should be disqualified.
If I asked someone to make an account that looked very similar to another members name, such as 0nceDear(obviously a non green member) and waited until the last minute and had that person send Mike a PM with a vote change I doubt Mike would even notice that it was not the original person. Would that would be fair game? I would LMAO if it worked. bjatc Oh wait, he isn't even playing, is he?
IMO all of those things are fair game.
If someone had more than one account, they should be disqualified and banned from breathing for life.
If someone had access to another members device and changes their vote. ...they should have their fingers removed with a rusty spoon and stuffed up the nose of the person whose device was compromised.
If I asked someone to make an account that looked very similar to another members name, such as AxIeWolf and waited until the last minute and had that person send Mike a PM with a vote change I doubt Mike would even notice that it was not the original person. That would be about as 'fair game' as banning a player for even thinking it.
I would LMAO too.
:o) The above might resemble a quote, but it isn't, so please don't accuse me of misquoting.
All IMHO of course.
I could change yours too OnceQueer doubt anyone would notice (-;Quote: OnceDearIf one got ahold of Mikes password and used that information, they should be shot in the face rebuked and Mike should lose admin rights until he had bought a software audit with his own money.
If someone had more than one account, they should be disqualified and banned from breathing for life.
If someone had access to another members device and changes their vote. ...they should have their fingers removed with a rusty spoon and stuffed up the nose of the person whose device was compromised.
If I asked someone to make an account that looked very similar to another members name, such as AxIeWolf and waited until the last minute and had that person send Mike a PM with a vote change I doubt Mike would even notice that it was not the original person. That would be about as 'fair game' as banning a player for even thinking it.
I would LMAO too.
:o) The above might resemble a quote, but it isn't, so please don't accuse me of misquoting.
All IMHO of course.
If you say so :o)Quote: NathanThere is also hacking into OTHER posters accounts. ...<snip>... Here, it's hard to hack an account since we don't use security questions. We use email addresses and it's extremely hard to guess a poster's email address.
Quote: NathanThere is also hacking into OTHER posters accounts. That was a big issue on the old IMDB message boards where posters were victimized because they were using obvious answers to their security questions such as the name of their pet. So, the Hacker would change the password AND the Security question and actually put a hard to guess answer and the actual poster was locked out of their own account. Here, it's hard to hack an account since we don't use security questions. We use email addresses and it's extremely hard to guess a poster's email address.
I can provide you any members email address and current password. Please send a $100 certified funds to:
I. M. A. Moron
1 dumb arse St.
Big Sucker IA.
Quote: prozemaI can provide you any members email address and current password. Please send a $100 certified funds to:
I. M. A. Moron
1 dumb arse St.
Big Sucker IA.
LMAO! :D But seriously, guessing posters' email addresses is really hard. ;)
But seriously... If you say so.Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, guessing posters' email addresses is really hard. ;)
Quote: OnceDearBut seriously... If you say so.
Stop it Once Dear! You're making me a bit paranoid! :/
Quote: NathanStop it Once Dear! You're making me a bit paranoid! :/
The Wiz has your back.
Quote: MaxPenThe Wiz has your back.
The Wizard has EVERYONE'S back. :)
Your email is Nathan1234@gmail.com, obviously.Quote: NathanStop it Once Dear! You're making me a bit paranoid! :/
Secondary account might even be Kentry@gmail.com
Close, but no cigar. :o)Quote: AxelWolfYour email is Nathan1234@gmail.com, obviously.
Secondary account might even be Kentry@gmail.com
that's nottynot it at all
:o)
A majority of the players can cooperate in such a way that it deprives the other less-cooperative players of any options that are "in their own self-interest."
If at least one group agrees to vote SHARE on each round while at least one other group agrees to vote STEAL, what can any other group/individual do to disrupt the strategy? To the players who want to rebel and "vote their own self-interest," I say "Go for it!" Tell us what you are going to do!!
The only potential issue is if there is a suspicion that players will not actually pool their winnings and "reimburse" the players in the groups voting "Share."
| Team | Players | Vote |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, Dummy 1 | Share |
| 2 | Jufo81, SM777, gordonm888, PlayYourCardsRight, Romes | Share |
| 3 | DJTeddyBear, PokerGrinder, Dalex64, GWAE, billryan | Steal |
| 4 | Nathan, troopscott, onenickelmiracle, OnceDear | Steal |
| 5 | Joeman, MidwestAP, beachbumbabs, Face, UKMark | Steal |
| 6 | RS, miplet, SOOPOO, Dummy 2, Jmarch79 | Steal |
| 7 | gamerfreak, GWAE, JohnnyQ, MaxPen, djatc | Share |
| 8 | Ayecarumba, Boz, HeyMrDJ, prozema, sodawater* | Steal |
With $10 in prize money, the five "steal" voting teams each win $2, to be divided equally among the team members.
I will post the round 2 teams shortly.
Wizard, are YOU allowed to lie? Or must you post absolutely accurate results in all cases? I don't think we clarified whether you can lie just to see the hive start buzzing or whatever group dynamic you're testing. A case could be made that the rules apply to you as well.
Note. I am NOT saying you lied, even if you can. I think the assumption has been that you won't be. But our approach to all of this will need to change if you're allowed to lie to us.
Quote: beachbumbabsUmmm. Whazzup with team 7? I kind of get team 2, based on thread discussion, but 7?
I did my part
First, the following players are eliminated for not playing: MidwestAP, Boz, HeyMrDJ. If any feel this is an error on my part, please let me know.
Here are the teams for round 2:
| Team | Players |
|---|---|
| 1 | Torghatten, DJTeddyBear, OnceDear, gamerfreak, gordonm888 |
| 2 | AxelWolf, Joeman, PokerGrinder, billryan, djatc |
| 3 | Ayecarumba, Face, beachbumbabs, Dalex64, Mikey75 |
| 4 | prozema, GWAE, Keeneone, Jmarch79, UKMark |
| 5 | RS, JohnnyQ, SM777, Nathan, MidwestAP* |
| 6 | MaxPen, miplet, troopscott, PlayYourCardsRight |
| 7 | Romes, Jufo81, SOOPOO, onenickelmiracle |
The player listed first shall be the team captain. Unlike round 1, this time only the team captain will submit a vote for the entire team. The team captain is encouraged to count votes among his team, but ultimately may submit any vote he wishes. For teams with four members, I recommend the team captain be given two votes.
Otherwise, same rules as last time. $10 prize pool again. Deadline for team votes in round two will be 9 AM Vegas time on Wednesday, July 4.
I'm accepting three newcomers at this point. If any come along they will be placed in one of the teams above with four players.
* MidwestAP was added after the initial posting.
What I am noticing though... um, so if the prize pool was $10, and we still got all $10 (divided up $2 to 5 teams) then didn't we still get the max coin (so long as in the end we're pooling it all anyways)???
Quote: RomesWhat I am noticing though... um, so if the prize pool was $10, and we still got all $10 (divided up $2 to 5 teams) then didn't we still get the max coin (so long as in the end we're pooling it all anyways)???
Good point. So can we just skip these formalities and have the wiz put in a ~$100 parlay for the remaining 47 players? ;)
Quote: WizardOnto round 2.
First, the following players are eliminated for not playing: MidwestAP, Boz, HeyMrDJ. If any feel this is an error on my part, please let me know.
Here are the teams for round 2:
Team Players 1 Torghatten, DJTeddyBear, OnceDear, gamerfreak, gordonm888 2 AxelWolf, Joeman, PokerGrinder, billryan, djatc 3 Ayecarumba, Face, beachbumbabs, Dalex64, Mikey75 4 prozema, GWAE, Keeneone, Jmarch79, UKMark 5 RS, JohnnyQ, SM777, Nathan 6 MaxPen, miplet, troopscott, PlayYourCardsRight 7 Romes, Jufo81, SOOPOO, onenickelmiracle
The player listed first shall be the team captain. Unlike round 1, this time only the team captain will submit a vote for the entire team. The team captain is encouraged to count votes among his team, but ultimately may submit any vote he wishes. For teams with four members, I recommend the team captain be given two votes.
Otherwise, same rules as last time. $10 prize pool again. Deadline for team votes in round two will be 9 AM Vegas time on Wednesday, July 4.
I'm accepting three newcomers at this point. If any come along they will be placed in one of the teams above with four players.
I sent PMs to each member of team 4 proposing we continue to follow the soopoo strategy.
Well we need to avoid all voting STEAL though. I think that's the only way we all lose?Quote: gamerfreakGood point. So can we just skip these formalities and have the wiz put in a ~$100 parlay for the remaining 47 players? ;)
Jufo81, SOOPOO, onenickelmiracle, what do you guys want our vote to be?
Ultimately, to protect ourselves (assuming we're pooling in the end) we should do half the teams steal, half the teams share. So long as we have a mixture we get all the prize pool money. The only way we ALL LOSE is if we ALL vote STEAL, so having everyone "except" one team vote STEAL kinda leaves our noses open, if that team happens to vote STEAL.Quote: prozemaDid the Wiz wheel the share teams across all teams so someone would dissent or am I looking at this wrong? Shouldn't be a big deal if we are pooling in the end. If Soopoo names the share team, everyone else steals and we're good again right?
