Cooperation Game II
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33 members have voted
Quote: PokerGrinderI’m amused that everyone is fighting about such silly things. Mike has set out to accomplish something and he has done exactly that. Congrats Mike
This game is going turn into a bunch of grown men (mostly) arguing and bickering about pennies. I’m amused lol.
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It’s a game, so we might as well make it interesting.
I didn't want to call attention to that fact on the forum, I thought that might incentivize them to vote steal even more so. I was hoping there was a chance they would both do "the right thing".
Aside from begging or bribing them (No way in hell I was going to do either one) to both vote share I don't think there was much to be done.
I didn't care to spend the energy trying to see if there was a way to convince them both to share.
Quote: AxelWolfAs per a PM I sent to our team leader JohnnyQ last round before the picks I predicted that gordonm888 might onenickelmiracle were going to be the 2 people we might have a problem with.
I didn't want to call attention to that fact on the forum, I thought that might incentivize them to vote steal even more so. I was hoping there was a chance they would both do "the right thing".
Aside from begging or bribing them (No way in hell I was going to do either one) to both vote share I don't think there was much to be done.
I didn't care to spend the energy trying to see if there was a way to convince them both to share.
The way I see it, we bought information. Now we know two people who are not cooperative.
gordonm888
PlayYourCardsRight
Face
Jufo81
troopscott
onenicklemiracle
Nathan
Joeman
UKMark
Really? Bump. $:o)Quote: prozemaIf I'm thinking about this right, the soopoo strategy is still the best especially knowing we have people in the mix who are not cooperative. I propose we find a trustworthy share vote and all others steal. Given, we will be ignoring bonus money, but we will maximize incentive to pool at the end.
Quote: AxelWolfAs per a PM I sent to our team leader JohnnyQ last round before the picks I predicted that gordonm888 and onenickelmiracle were going to be the 2 people we might have a problem with.
I didn't care to spend the energy trying to see if there was a way to convince them both to share.
What a bunch of nonsense. Either you've lacked the sense to scroll up and read the explanation of what happened, or you're seeking to spread dissension and discord for your own purposes.
Wizard offered us a rigged game in Round 3. He could have offered us $1,000 or $100,000 if every captain voted share and it would not have mattered -because he selected a captain who had already voted Steal in advance -and we know from Romes that Wizard does not allow people to change votes once they've been submitted.
It does not matter how much energy you might have spent trying to convince onenicklemiracle to not vote Steal. You might as well have thrown a rock at the moon and tried to knock it from the sky.
If you have a red ass over this, be mad at the Wizard for making an insincere offer (as part of the game).
Quote: JohnnyQIf a member needs $3 to make their month, pm me. Limited to the first responder_
Quote: OnceDearPM sent.
Thanks in anticipation.
FYI. I claimed the $3 that Johnny was offering and it seems I responded first.
He Does. Oh yes, he definitely does!Quote: gordonm888Wizard does not allow people to change votes once they've been submitted.
Well, he said the rules would change.Quote:If you have a red ass over this, be mad at the Wizard for making an insincere offer (as part of the game).
Anyhow... Why no take-up on my bribe? Have all you guys got me blocked? Or are you conspiring to keep me in the dark in the hope I'll up the bribe?
Quote: gamerfreakI'm calling hornswaggle.
Rule 11 States:
onenickelmiracle has posted throughout the day on all voting days, so him voting in advance was not "necessary due to being on vacation" as the rule requires
So, based on the original rules set forth, I am arguing that onenickelmiracle's single steal vote for the entire game is invalid.
When I recorded the votes, I initially thought he forgot to vote, but dug up his advance strategy and that was all I had to go on. The intention for advance voting was for reasons like vacations. Maybe it was an abuse of the rule, but the vote stands.
Going forward, I would like to do away with advance voting. If a team captain can't vote, I request he appoint somebody else as captain for the round. Please only do this for legitimate reasons.
Team Players Vote
1 Jufo81,Torghatten,MaxPen,gordonm888,miplet ?
2 gamerfreak,prozema,Dalex64,SOOPOO,MidwestAP ?
3 PlayYourCardsRight,Romes,OnceDear,MidwestAP,Keeneone ?
4 Joeman,onenickelmiracle,Ayecarumba,GWAE,JohnnyQ ?
5 beachbumbabs,AxelWolf,SM777,Jmarch79,UKMark ?
6 PokerGrinder,djatc,DJTeddyBear,billryan,Mikey75 ?
7 Nathan,troopscott,Face,RS
1 don't really have a read on Jufo regarding his gameplay. I just know he wants the game to be much more complex and interesting. I think miplet will want to do what has the best EV. This is boring for MaxPen compared to his conspiracy theories website fox and friends and his timeshare bunker so he probably wants to shake things up. gordon888 leans towards stealing obviously. Their team could go either way.
2 Gamefreak seems to want some shenanigans, but I think he's a reasonable person so I think he is willing to do whats best for everyone. The rest of his team seem to all be good guys who are committed team and community players willing to share.
3 PlayYourCardsRight, I really don't have a take on him yet. I'm leaning towards him wanting to be a team player. (WIZARD, MidwestAP is on team 1 and 3 one of them should be Romes) The rest of his team seems to all be committed team players willing to get the best EV.
4 Joeman seems to be a reasonable person. I assume he will take all factors into account and go with the majority of voters on his team. Ayecarumba and JohnnyQ seem to be team players, I think Ayecarumba would steal given the right circumstances. GWAE will do anything for a can of soda.
5 I'm fairly certain BBB is a team player. AxelWolf is on that team so it's obviously the best team ever.
6 I think PokerGrinder is willing to share as well as both Dj's. Bill will probably want to go with the majority of his team members and do what he thinks is best for his team.
7 Nathan. YOU GUYS ARE F**KED. She will probably do the opposite of whatever you ask her to do. Since she just likes the sound of stealing because its Gangsta there's a chance she will just want to do that.
Quote: gordonm888Wizard offered us a rigged game in Round 3. He could have offered us $1,000 or $100,000 if every captain voted share and it would not have mattered -because he selected a captain who had already voted Steal in advance -and we know from Romes that Wizard does not allow people to change votes once they've been submitted.
If you have a red ass over this, be mad at the Wizard for making an insincere offer (as part of the game).
Ooo! Ouch! I don't expect anyone to believe me, but when I selected the teams, I had forgotten about onm's advance strategy. Furthermore, I have allowed vote changes. I think a couple of you have asked about it by PM and I allowed it. Somebody please vouch for that.
Just for the record, vote changes will be officially allowed going forward but I request you make one vote and stick to it. If you're not sure, wait until the last minute to submit your vote.
I never said that. All I said was since I already submitted my vote I wasn't sure if I could change it or not, so I just sat on it.Quote: gordonm888...Wizard offered us a rigged game in Round 3. He could have offered us $1,000 or $100,000 if every captain voted share and it would not have mattered -because he selected a captain who had already voted Steal in advance -and we know from Romes that Wizard does not allow people to change votes once they've been submitted....
gamerfreak has a good point about ONM being here and able to submit a round 3 vote, but either voting steal or choosing not to vote (letting his proxy take effect) and in essence still choosing to vote steal...
The problem is we did NOT follow any kind of strategy...Quote: billryanAfter three rounds of following the allegedly superior strategy, how much money have We banked?
Quote: prozemaThe way I see it, we bought information. Now we know two people who are not cooperative.
team leaders have changed and continue to do so. Now the question is what will the new ones do
Quote: WizardOoo! Ouch! I don't expect anyone to believe me, but when I selected the teams, I had forgotten about onm's advance strategy. Furthermore, I have allowed vote changes. I think a couple of you have asked about it by PM and I allowed it. Somebody please vouch for that.
Just for the record, vote changes will be officially allowed going forward but I request you make one vote and stick to it. If you're not sure, wait until the last minute to submit your vote.
I changed my vote in round one because what I thought the strategy was (everyone vote share) changed to some steal some change
Quote: WizardQuote: gamerfreakI'm calling hornswaggle.
Rule 11 States:
onenickelmiracle has posted throughout the day on all voting days, so him voting in advance was not "necessary due to being on vacation" as the rule requires
So, based on the original rules set forth, I am arguing that onenickelmiracle's single steal vote for the entire game is invalid.
When I recorded the votes, I initially thought he forgot to vote, but dug up his advance strategy and that was all I had to go on. The intention for advance voting was for reasons like vacations. Maybe it was an abuse of the rule, but the vote stands.
Going forward, I would like to do away with advance voting. If a team captain can't vote, I request he appoint somebody else as captain for the round. Please only do this for legitimate reasons.
Can team members vote to oust a captain?
Quote: RomesSo team 2 and team 7 get $10/2 = $5 / 4 = $1.25Quote: WizardHere are the round three results.
Vote Team Players share 1 JohnnyQ, RS, DJTeddyBear, AxelWolf, djatc steal 2 gordonm888, PlayYourCardsRight, Face, Jufo81, troopscott share 3 SOOPOO, billryan, Ayecarumba, prozema, Jmarch79 share 4 miplet, PokerGrinder, GWAE, Torghatten, gamerfreak share 5 Dalex64, MaxPen, OnceDear, Keeneone share 6 Mikey75, SM777, beachbumbabs, Romes, MidwestAP steal 7 onenickelmiracle, Nathan, Joeman, UKMark
Congratulations to teams 2 and 7 for splitting the pie only two ways. Commiserations to the other five teams.
Had team 2 and 7 shared, the prize pool would be $20 / 7 = $2.85 / 4 = $0.71... so team 2 and 7 got an extra 50 cents to f*$* everyone over. Good one guys. Real clever. You got us all real good... This is why we can't have nice things.
I haven't read everything yet, but it wasn't these guys who screwed us. It was Wizard. He made a team captain out of a person who pre-voted steal for all rounds, and had that person speak for the rest of his team. So he knew he would NEVER have to pay $20, because he had one in the bag, and he manipulated us to think there was that possiblility. That's pure crap, Mike.
ONM, that was a sucky move, given that the rules are unknown for each round, and the game depends on adjusting to them as they change. You could have abstained, given your vote by proxy, or voted share UFN if you had to go.
Anybody else this round who's a team captain who pre-voted? Speak up now, please, so we can deal with it.
This kind of unfair stuff determines whether I play a game or not, with friends or casinos or whatever. People who bring up "house rules" after a strategy commitment or apparent win that weren't previously announced are a good example of people I won't sit down with again.
1) Mike "claims" he did NOT know of ONM's prevote condition when he made him a captain. Could he be lying? Yeah, but to follow-up and post that he "genuinely" didn't know, I believe him.
2) It's still all on ONM... he's had a presense in the forum so he could have overridden his pre-vote, or given the vote to another team member. Instead he chose to STEAL (either by choice or by omission, all the same) and screwed the rest of us. gordon's team, again if we're believing in team spirit, thought they caught the loophole... but if that's the case, why wouldn't they point that out to all of us so we could organize more people to steal so ONM's team got less and less?
In the end, red flag against ONM/team, and yellow flag against gordon/team.
Any way you slice it though, even if Mike DID know, it's not his fault. Even if he 'knew' I'd chalk that up to him trying to play the game the best he can... It's a VERY EASY game for us players to win, though apparently people wanting extra quarters for their big $4 payday at the end of the game is becoming quite the nuisance.
Read everything Bbb. it seems Mike cocked up and didnt realise the repercussions of ONM being spokesman. Onm might not have had the opportunity or inclinatiin to change his vote.Quote: beachbumbabs
I haven't read everything yet, but it wasn't these guys who screwed us. It was Wizard. He made a team captain out of a person who pre-voted steal for all rounds, and had that person speak for the rest of his team. So he knew he would NEVER have to pay $20, because he had one in the bag, and he manipulated us to think there was that possiblility. That's pure crap, Mike.
My invite is open to all, but anyone who truthfully claims they are a member in public forfeits any pooled winnings.
PMs only. One person, one vote. No captains, no emperors. Be loyal to a clan, not a team thrown together with ill intent.
Quote: RomesTo be fair BBB, 2 things:
1) Mike "claims" he did NOT know of ONM's prevote condition when he made him a captain. Could he be lying? Yeah, but to follow-up and post that he "genuinely" didn't know, I believe him.
2) It's still all on ONM... he's had a presense in the forum so he could have overridden his pre-vote, or given the vote to another team member. Instead he chose to STEAL (either by choice or by omission, all the same) and screwed the rest of us. gordon's team, again if we're believing in team spirit, thought they caught the loophole... but if that's the case, why wouldn't they point that out to all of us so we could organize more people to steal so ONM's team got less and less?
In the end, red flag against ONM/team, and yellow flag against gordon/team.
Any way you slice it though, even if Mike DID know, it's not his fault. Even if he 'knew' I'd chalk that up to him trying to play the game the best he can... It's a VERY EASY game for us players to win, though apparently people wanting extra quarters for their big $4 payday at the end of the game is becoming quite the nuisance.
I can tell you gordon is telling the truth. I in fact gave everyone a heads up we were planning to steal. I didn't go into details because I was asked not to share the info as to why we were stealing. I gave my word and once I do that I wont change. At the end I am unsure if it matters only two teams stole because the money is being pooled(at most we lost 5 bucks). However if everyone would have stole it would have been a mike win so there had to be a share team.
It appears al captains this round are poolers so it works much better for everyone to share
Quote: Romes-snip-The problem is we did NOT follow any kind of strategy...
Round 1 went fine.
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Poolers vs non-poolers really doesn't matter. Amount of money at the end (or per round) really doesn't matter. Cooperation matters.
Hang in there Captain. Our resolve is being tested, but all will be ok in the end. Please do not bail on us now...Quote: SOOPOOJust like the first game, there is subterfuge and bickering. It is all so trivial I am surprised that Mike gets enjoyment from it. I think Rome’s has the best attitude; he’s trying to maximize our haul but I can sense if Mike says he isn’t allowed to give out money for some reason Romes will just move on to his next AP play. Gordon, on the other hand, seems to have let the lying/changing rules/subterfuge get to him. I really can’t for the life of me see Mikes motivation in doing this. But I’ll play along.
Thank you for the kind words.Quote: SM777I'd like to congratulate all the ploppies who followed soopoo's strategy and resulted themselves in $0 in round 3. Well done.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI voted in advance out of convenience, I don't have time to pick up pennies. Didn't realize about the vacation rule, but since I had voted, I felt obligated to stick with it like in the real world. I'm not paying attention to the thread for the most part, just skimming and glancing. Last time I donated my winnings to charity, what happened to the team's money, did it go to the Donald J Trump foundation buying the team captains Chipotle or what?
I hope so I want the troops well fed for the 2020 run so he can prove the fake news media and fake poll groups wrong again. Please Please run Clinton again
Quote: SM777I'd like to congratulate all the ploppies who followed soopoo's strategy and resulted themselves in $0 in round 3. Well done.
Not $0. At least some of those winnings will be pooled. But certainly less than it could have been.
It's more about misappropriation the joke, since Axelwolf and Romes are going to screw everyone over when the game is done.Quote: troopscottI hope so I want the troops well fed for the 2020 run so he can prove the fake news media and fake poll groups wrong again. Please Please run Clinton again
ONM is 'playing' but not really playing... Kind of like those online poker tournament free roll people that go all in non stop for the first 30 minutes.... However, unlike a poker tournament, there is no way to bust out of this game, so onm voting steal is just a known tactic until he changes it, which he likely will never do because he believes AW and Rome's is just building the pot because the caught a glimpse of the river card and will ultimately win in the end.
Ok?
Quote: MaxPenFace is the crazy uncle no one talks about.😁
Gonna be a bit harder to ignore me what with all these extra quarters I got jingling in me pocket =p
Such a fascinating game. A clear goal, simply obvious rules, mindless strategy... yet we still can't pull it off. Not even with a leader and general consensus. It's quite amazing to see unfold =)
Quote: gamerfreakI'm calling hornswaggle.
Rule 11 States:
onenickelmiracle has posted throughout the day on all voting days, so him voting in advance was not "necessary due to being on vacation" as the rule requires
So, based on the original rules set forth, I am arguing that onenickelmiracle's single steal vote for the entire game is invalid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lBNGu1AMzQ
Round three should be voided and the offending poster sent to the cornfield.
The lone exception is if there is a deal in place that is clear and benefits everyone.
I have voted to share each round and will parlay all winnings.
Quote: WizardQuote: gamerfreakI'm calling hornswaggle.
Rule 11 States:
onenickelmiracle has posted throughout the day on all voting days, so him voting in advance was not "necessary due to being on vacation" as the rule requires
So, based on the original rules set forth, I am arguing that onenickelmiracle's single steal vote for the entire game is invalid.
When I recorded the votes, I initially thought he forgot to vote, but dug up his advance strategy and that was all I had to go on. The intention for advance voting was for reasons like vacations. Maybe it was an abuse of the rule, but the vote stands.
Going forward, I would like to do away with advance voting. If a team captain can't vote, I request he appoint somebody else as captain for the round. Please only do this for legitimate reasons.
Quote: WizardOoo! Ouch! I don't expect anyone to believe me, but when I selected the teams, I had forgotten about onm's advance strategy. Furthermore, I have allowed vote changes. I think a couple of you have asked about it by PM and I allowed it. Somebody please vouch for that.
Just for the record, vote changes will be officially allowed going forward but I request you make one vote and stick to it. If you're not sure, wait until the last minute to submit your vote.
I do believe you, and it changes my opinion of what happened some. In your mind at the point you selected captains for round 3, and made the 2x for share offer, it was a legitimate offer, if I understand you correctly?
You only realized it had been an inadvertent trap when, in the absence of a round 3 PM from ONM, you went back and found a permanent steal. So it was not your intent to provide a false bonus, as it first appeared.
I apologize for my harsh words towards you. I thought this was a manifestation of you twice not answering my question about whether you were allowed to lie (posted previously in this thread).
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: WizardQuote: gamerfreakI'm calling hornswaggle.
Rule 11 States:
onenickelmiracle has posted throughout the day on all voting days, so him voting in advance was not "necessary due to being on vacation" as the rule requires
So, based on the original rules set forth, I am arguing that onenickelmiracle's single steal vote for the entire game is invalid.
When I recorded the votes, I initially thought he forgot to vote, but dug up his advance strategy and that was all I had to go on. The intention for advance voting was for reasons like vacations. Maybe it was an abuse of the rule, but the vote stands.
Going forward, I would like to do away with advance voting. If a team captain can't vote, I request he appoint somebody else as captain for the round. Please only do this for legitimate reasons.
I do believe you, and it changes my opinion of what happened some. In your mind at the point you selected captains for round 3, and made the 2x for share offer, it was a legitimate offer, if I understand you correctly?
You only realized it had been an inadvertent trap when, in the absence of a round 3 PM from ONM, you went back and found a permanent steal. So it was not your intent to provide a false bonus, as it first appeared.
I apologize for my harsh words towards you. I thought this was a manifestation of you twice not answering my question about whether you were allowed to lie (posted previously in this thread).
Quote: troopscottHe has posted anyone can lie cheat steal in this game
Yes I know; there's a presumption, though, in most games, that the rules are for the players, not the house. That still isn't clear here, but I think Wizard is trying to operate honestly, not include himself in that position, after his last couple of posts.
I figured he was chortling with glee, with such a nice confluence of a pre-vote, and making a rule that would completely flummox the players trying to form a team strategy, which I think is his objective.
Seems not.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI don't have a permanent steal vote whatsoever. I voted for three rounds, last being round 4, which is meaningless because my vote won't count. I wasn't truly aware about the vacation clause, was just afraid of missing a round, which I will probably wind up doing at some point by accident.
Either you or the Wiz is not telling the truth (which we all know is allowed in the game).
Which 3 rounds did you actually submit a vote to the Wiz?
Did you confer with your Team Captain (Romes) in Round 2?
Quote: KeeneoneEither you or the Wiz is not telling the truth (which we all know is allowed in the game).
Which 3 rounds did you actually submit a vote to the Wiz?
Did you confer with your Team Captain (Romes) in Round 2?
Nobody lying, you're just confused.
2,3,4
Romes isn't my captain.
Quote: onenickelmiracleNobody lying, you're just confused.
2,3,4
Romes isn't my captain.
Interesting, thank you for posting. I will hold off on my response for now.
Personally, I rated the EV of $20 to be less that 50% thus I would have voted steal, myself.
Quote: Romes. gordon's team, again if we're believing in team spirit, thought they caught the loophole... but if that's the case, why wouldn't they point that out to all of us so we could organize more people to steal so ONM's team got less and less?
In the end, red flag against ONM/team, and yellow flag against Gordon/team.
This all occurred yesterday, and we just ran out of time, I was pm'ing some of my team members back and forth until late in the evening (11:00 pm) trying to inform them and get some consensus on what to do. It was just too late to drop a giant bombshell in this thread. It would have been chaos and most people would not have seen it in time to do something.
All of our PM exchanges between Team2 members mentioned pooling the money as a criteria for doing it.
I don't see anyone from Team 7 (onm's team) standing up and saying they will pool money ,and yet virtually all of us from Team#2 are saying that. Basically, I think Team #2 saved 5 dollars for the pool. We really expected to be praised for being smart and to be thanked for rescuing a share of the winnings from onm's team.
And Romes and Axel and Prozema, all the info was there for you guys as well. You could have reviewed the posts of the captains like I did, and seen what onm had posted like I did. You could have sent a PM to onm and learned what I had learned - but apparently you didn't. Late on Wednesday night you could have made a decision to steal in order to keep some of the $10 away from onm's team - but you didn't. I think all of you guys are very intelligent guys but in Round#3 you were lethargic and asleep at the switch and it was not your best moment.
Whats that's supposed to mean? Romes ya, of course, but why me?Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's more about misappropriation the joke, since Axelwolf and Romes are going to screw everyone over when the game is done.
