Miscellaneous Discussion Thread II
Some of these manufacturers are selling defective cars with recalls coming out every week and they may not last 10 years or 100,000 miles.
Average car loan payment is over $500/month for a $30K car loan over 5 years and may be topping $1,000/month for a $60K car loan over 5 years. Of course parking in NYC may be more expensive than that, but they're rich.
Cars are getting more Smart and by 2026 people may run away from new cars because of their new mandated features.
Quote: tuttigymJust read this a.m. that the average NEW car price is $47K+, and the average USED car price is $27K+. That is crazy!! I see ads on TV showing certain new vehicles selling for ONLY $84k. Your kids and grandkids better start learning and getting in shape to peddle to work or play. Good luck to all.
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I'm looking to replace my 2016 Mazda CX5, and many cars are in the $35,000 and under category. I'm looking for a crossover or SUV and have not looked at the basic economy cars. My car, in May of 2016, was listed for $26,000. The 2024, with many more features and a better sound system, is listed for $33,000. That is roughly a 25% increase in seven model years—less than a 4% a year increase.
The new car prices are skewed by the $100,000 plus Escalades and Navigators, as well as the top-end Teslas and pickups.
I'll be ecstatic if inflation stays at 4% or goes lower. I built my portfolio based on 5% long-term.
Tell your grandkids to stay in school or find good-paying jobs to support you.
Quote: tuttigymJust read this a.m. that the average NEW car price is $47K+, and the average USED car price is $27K+. That is crazy!! I see ads on TV showing certain new vehicles selling for ONLY $84k. Your kids and grandkids better start learning and getting in shape to peddle to work or play. Good luck to all.
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I'm looking to replace my 2016 Mazda CX5, and many cars are in the $35,000 and under category. I'm looking for a crossover or SUV and have not looked at the basic economy cars. My car, in May of 2016, was listed for $26,000. The 2024, with many more features and a better sound system, is listed for $33,000. That is roughly a 25% increase in seven model years—less than a 4% a year increase.
The new car prices are skewed by the $100,000 plus Escalades and Navigators, as well as the top-end Teslas and pickups.
I'll be ecstatic if inflation stays at 4% or goes lower. I built my portfolio based on 5% long-term.
Tell your grandkids to stay in school or find good-paying jobs to support them. .
It's about two interconnected naval battles at the start of WW1. I'd never heard of the battles before, but the first one was a shockingly overwhelming German victory. Still, the Royal Navy reacted with lightning speed, so when the German Fleet attacked a seemingly undefended coal refueling station, they were met not by the reserve coast guard boats they had expected but by a battleship and nine cruisers. Through a communications mishap, the Royal Commanders in London thought the Germans had carried the day, and it was a shock when they learned that the German fleet was wrecked. Its main boats were sunk, and only a couple of light cruisers managed to reach neutral ports, where they sat out the rest of the war. The main German fleet was blockaded in the Jutland and was not a factor in the war, except for its submarine branch.
The news of the unexpected victory heartened a nation reeling in the land war in France.
In 1927, the Royal Navy gave unprecedented access to a filmmaker, and the battles were reenacted using eight active-duty ships, their crews, and the population of the Falkland Islands. The result is the finest silent movie about WW1 that I've seen. A damaged print was restored frame by frame, and the movie is now available for the first time since WW2.
I don’t know if it was as bad as this article makes it out to be.
Quote:The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
What is the Yugo? The Ultimate Automotive Failure
The Yugo was a small car made in the former nation of Yugoslavia that survives in the American consciousness as the ultimate automotive failure. Poorly engineered, ugly, and cheap, it survived much longer as a punch line for comedians than it did as a vehicle on the roads.
The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
The story of how this particular car became the most hated vehicle in the U.S. is a comedy of errors detailed in Jason Vuic’s book, The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History. A bewildering array of capitalist hucksters and impoverished communists desperate for revenue collaborated to create the Yugo, and what could have been a great international.
You grab a delicious treat, that your dog likes (you need a dog, btw) and stuff the memory chip into the treat and toss it to the dog. (You need a dog that normally gulps down treats whole).
They search and search and can’t find the evidence. They can’t hold you for long. You get home and your accomplice (or your wife or similar) has kept track of the poop, (you need a wife or similar, btw)
That’s it!
(If the treat bounces off the dog’s head and falls to the floor and he just looks at it, your goose is cooked. You probably got a stupid dog)
Quote: rxwineThe top ten bottom cars range from 15 to 29k. And they’re not Yugo quality.
I don’t know if it was as bad as this article makes it out to be.Quote:The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
What is the Yugo? The Ultimate Automotive Failure
The Yugo was a small car made in the former nation of Yugoslavia that survives in the American consciousness as the ultimate automotive failure. Poorly engineered, ugly, and cheap, it survived much longer as a punch line for comedians than it did as a vehicle on the roads.
The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
The story of how this particular car became the most hated vehicle in the U.S. is a comedy of errors detailed in Jason Vuic’s book, The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History. A bewildering array of capitalist hucksters and impoverished communists desperate for revenue collaborated to create the Yugo, and what could have been a great international.
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I did a test drive. Once.
This was the "sport" model, with the larger 1.3 liter engine.
Everything was underpowered. It felt like 0-60 in a week and a half. The only time I remember anything similar was when I was driving an Insight and the battery blew; we were limping on the 1.0L gas engine.
The interior was pretty awful. Cheap beige plastic panels everywhere. More than that, they were all barren. Compared to other econobox imports of the time, it had nothing. No dashboard clock, no little storage areas in the dash for cigarettes... that all would have cost money at the factory. I think it had a mixing lever for warm/fresh air, a fan speed knob, and a button for the 4 way emergency flashers. Wide gaps between the front seats, no "dress up" panels or consoles around the handbrake or gearshift lever.
They were pretty unreliable as well. I seem to remember a lot of trouble getting it started for the test drive, and it was belching smoke and running rough most of the time.
Quote: rxwineThe top ten bottom cars range from 15 to 29k. And they’re not Yugo quality.
I don’t know if it was as bad as this article makes it out to be.Quote:The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
What is the Yugo? The Ultimate Automotive Failure
The Yugo was a small car made in the former nation of Yugoslavia that survives in the American consciousness as the ultimate automotive failure. Poorly engineered, ugly, and cheap, it survived much longer as a punch line for comedians than it did as a vehicle on the roads.
The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
The story of how this particular car became the most hated vehicle in the U.S. is a comedy of errors detailed in Jason Vuic’s book, The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History. A bewildering array of capitalist hucksters and impoverished communists desperate for revenue collaborated to create the Yugo, and what could have been a great international.
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It was.
Quote: DieterQuote: rxwineThe top ten bottom cars range from 15 to 29k. And they’re not Yugo quality.
I don’t know if it was as bad as this article makes it out to be.Quote:The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
What is the Yugo? The Ultimate Automotive Failure
The Yugo was a small car made in the former nation of Yugoslavia that survives in the American consciousness as the ultimate automotive failure. Poorly engineered, ugly, and cheap, it survived much longer as a punch line for comedians than it did as a vehicle on the roads.
The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
The story of how this particular car became the most hated vehicle in the U.S. is a comedy of errors detailed in Jason Vuic’s book, The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History. A bewildering array of capitalist hucksters and impoverished communists desperate for revenue collaborated to create the Yugo, and what could have been a great international.
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I did a test drive. Once.
This was the "sport" model, with the larger 1.3 liter engine.
Everything was underpowered. It felt like 0-60 in a week and a half. The only time I remember anything similar was when I was driving an Insight and the battery blew; we were limping on the 1.0L gas engine.
The interior was pretty awful. Cheap beige plastic panels everywhere. More than that, they were all barren. Compared to other econobox imports of the time, it had nothing. No dashboard clock, no little storage areas in the dash for cigarettes... that all would have cost money at the factory. I think it had a mixing lever for warm/fresh air, a fan speed knob, and a button for the 4 way emergency flashers. Wide gaps between the front seats, no "dress up" panels or consoles around the handbrake or gearshift lever.
They were pretty unreliable as well. I seem to remember a lot of trouble getting it started for the test drive, and it was belching smoke and running rough most of the time.
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My dad bought a new Yugo because it was cheap and he was cheap. It lasted a week before he took it back. The thing had absolutely no power, no matter how far you pushed the gas pedal down it didn't go any faster it just slowly creeped up in speed. It was impossible to pass another car with it. And the interior was all unpadded, even the dash was just bare plastic or metal. It was literally like riding in a tin can. This was too cheap even for my old man. So he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
Quote: rxwineThe top ten bottom cars range from 15 to 29k. And they’re not Yugo quality.
I don’t know if it was as bad as this article makes it out to be.Quote:The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
What is the Yugo? The Ultimate Automotive Failure
The Yugo was a small car made in the former nation of Yugoslavia that survives in the American consciousness as the ultimate automotive failure. Poorly engineered, ugly, and cheap, it survived much longer as a punch line for comedians than it did as a vehicle on the roads.
The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History
The story of how this particular car became the most hated vehicle in the U.S. is a comedy of errors detailed in Jason Vuic’s book, The Yugo: The Rise and Fall of the Worst Car in History. A bewildering array of capitalist hucksters and impoverished communists desperate for revenue collaborated to create the Yugo, and what could have been a great international.
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One one hand, the Yugo was no worse than the first Toyotas and Subarus to come to the USA. OTOH, it came a generation later when that level of quality was unacceptable. The Yugo was so far below USA standards that the reverse lights were bolted on like you might have bought them at K-Mart.
To add to its problems, the Yugo needed far more maintenance than the people who bought it could give. It might have been good enough in the East Bloc, but the lower end buyers in the USA who bought it were so broke they would not be doing what it took to keep it on the road.
One has to wonder if there are any at all in mint condition left for museum pieces.
The difference between the early Japanese imports and the Yugo and Samurai is the number of cars sold. The Yugo was very popular for a few months.
Quote: billryanMy friend's grandparents bought him a 1976 Honda Civic for our high school graduation. It was fifty horsepower, and two full-size adults barely had enough shoulder room in the back.
The difference between the early Japanese imports and the Yugo and Samurai is the number of cars sold. The Yugo was very popular for a few months.
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There were stories about dealers with half a dozen people waiting to test drive one. Now, some of that was probably curious types. But thing is Americans seem to always like the new cheepie for a model year or so.
I seem to recall the Renault Alliance was around $6000, but it was a lot more car.
Quote: DieterI believe the Yugo was priced at about $4000.
I seem to recall the Renault Alliance was around $6000, but it was a lot more car.
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Renault had the LeCar, but they may have been discontinued by then.
Quote: billryanQuote: DieterI believe the Yugo was priced at about $4000.
I seem to recall the Renault Alliance was around $6000, but it was a lot more car.
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Renault had the LeCar, but they may have been discontinued by then.
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I had, thankfully, forgotten the Le Car.
They were at least a 2D hatchback, so vaguely similar to a Yugo, but a much better example of the form.
I ended up spending far too much time in Rabbit diesels. 50+ mpg made 'em cheap runabouts. I think we ended up unbolting the right front seat and using it to move apartments a few times. With the right seat out, we managed to fit the dining table in without dismantling the legs.
The redeeming feature of the Rabbit really was that seemingly indestructible diesel. The gas version was just a pain.
Quote: DieterI believe the Yugo was priced at about $4000.
I seem to recall the Renault Alliance was around $6000, but it was a lot more car.
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Base sticker was $3990. Usually rolled off the lot around $4800-5000 with add-ons and ADM.
Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterI believe the Yugo was priced at about $4000.
I seem to recall the Renault Alliance was around $6000, but it was a lot more car.
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Renault had the LeCar, but they may have been discontinued by then.
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I had, thankfully, forgotten the Le Car.
They were at least a 2D hatchback, so vaguely similar to a Yugo, but a much better example of the form.
I ended up spending far too much time in Rabbit diesels. 50+ mpg made 'em cheap runabouts. I think we ended up unbolting the right front seat and using it to move apartments a few times. With the right seat out, we managed to fit the dining table in without dismantling the legs.
The redeeming feature of the Rabbit really was that seemingly indestructible diesel. The gas version was just a pain.
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I bought a 75 Rabbit in 1979 after working my ass off all summer with two jobs. It was a fun little car, but I had horrible luck.
It was the first front wheel drive I ever drove, and the very first day I had it I went into a spin, turned the wrong way and jumped a curve., busting the strut and wrecking the alignment. $300 plus when I was a fulltime student. A few months later, it wouldn't start and the timing belt was broken. Next, someone broke in to steal my broken radio and screwed up all my ignition wires. Lastly, I was broadsided by a drunk in a Cadillac, and the car was totaled. I walked away from the wreck and got more than the car was worth, so there was that.
Quote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterI believe the Yugo was priced at about $4000.
I seem to recall the Renault Alliance was around $6000, but it was a lot more car.
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Renault had the LeCar, but they may have been discontinued by then.
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I had, thankfully, forgotten the Le Car.
They were at least a 2D hatchback, so vaguely similar to a Yugo, but a much better example of the form.
I ended up spending far too much time in Rabbit diesels. 50+ mpg made 'em cheap runabouts. I think we ended up unbolting the right front seat and using it to move apartments a few times. With the right seat out, we managed to fit the dining table in without dismantling the legs.
The redeeming feature of the Rabbit really was that seemingly indestructible diesel. The gas version was just a pain.
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I bought a 75 Rabbit in 1979 after working my ass off all summer with two jobs. It was a fun little car, but I had horrible luck.
It was the first front wheel drive I ever drove, and the very first day I had it I went into a spin, turned the wrong way and jumped a curve., busting the strut and wrecking the alignment. $300 plus when I was a fulltime student. A few months later, it wouldn't start and the timing belt was broken. Next, someone broke in to steal my broken radio and screwed up all my ignition wires. Lastly, I was broadsided by a drunk in a Cadillac, and the car was totaled. I walked away from the wreck and got more than the car was worth, so there was that.
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I sold my first car to a junkyard for $70 and I never wrecked it. I bought it for $150. It ran all year except for the fuel pump rusting out. It had a broken motor mount and if you stepped on the accelerator too hard it would try to accelerate to 30mph so you had to have your foot hovering over the brake.
Quote: billryanI paid $45 for my first car in June 1976 after managing to chew $5 off the price after weeks of negotiations. It was a 65 Nova Wagon that lasted the summer until I junked it for $18. I paid $60 for my next car, which lasted until the first freezing weather when it simply died. That was a 68 Skylark. I moved up in class with my next car—a 1974 Plymouth Duster that cost $400. I sold it, one of the few cars I made a profit on a few weeks later, for $600 and bought a 1971 LTD with a trunk that needed to be tied down for $50. That car lasted almost three years.
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I knew a couple guys had one of those early 70s Dusters. I swear years after they were the basis for the “that thing got a hemi” commercials.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanI paid $45 for my first car in June 1976 after managing to chew $5 off the price after weeks of negotiations. It was a 65 Nova Wagon that lasted the summer until I junked it for $18. I paid $60 for my next car, which lasted until the first freezing weather when it simply died. That was a 68 Skylark. I moved up in class with my next car—a 1974 Plymouth Duster that cost $400. I sold it, one of the few cars I made a profit on a few weeks later, for $600 and bought a 1971 LTD with a trunk that needed to be tied down for $50. That car lasted almost three years.
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I knew a couple guys had one of those early 70s Dusters. I swear years after they were the basis for the “that thing got a hemi” commercials.
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The Duster offered a factory high-performance model that looked hot and the base model was easily modified. Mine was not the HP package, but had some upgrades. However, it had aluminum engine blocks that didn't stand up to abuse like the older models did. I bought it because it had a state-of-the-art quad eight-track. I quickly got tired of hearing what everyone would do if it was their car and I sold it one night in a bar. My Uncle had been rear ended in an accident and somehow collected the full value of the car and could keep itfor its scrap value of $60. Some bungi cords, some cord and some imagination and it was almost as good as new.
Quote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanI paid $45 for my first car in June 1976 after managing to chew $5 off the price after weeks of negotiations. It was a 65 Nova Wagon that lasted the summer until I junked it for $18. I paid $60 for my next car, which lasted until the first freezing weather when it simply died. That was a 68 Skylark. I moved up in class with my next car—a 1974 Plymouth Duster that cost $400. I sold it, one of the few cars I made a profit on a few weeks later, for $600 and bought a 1971 LTD with a trunk that needed to be tied down for $50. That car lasted almost three years.
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I knew a couple guys had one of those early 70s Dusters. I swear years after they were the basis for the “that thing got a hemi” commercials.
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The Duster offered a factory high-performance model that looked hot and the base model was easily modified. Mine was not the HP package, but had some upgrades. However, it had aluminum engine blocks that didn't stand up to abuse like the older models did. I bought it because it had a state-of-the-art quad eight-track. I quickly got tired of hearing what everyone would do if it was their car and I sold it one night in a bar. My Uncle had been rear ended in an accident and somehow collected the full value of the car and could keep itfor its scrap value of $60. Some bungi cords, some cord and some imagination and it was almost as good as new.
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There was a 340 "TA" V-8 that was rare and based on some racing engine or something. I user to know all this Mopar stuff cold but that was many years ago. Otherwise you got the slant-6 or a 318. Lots of engine swaps done on those over the years. You could squeeze a 440 mill in but that would make it a pig to handle and only good for drag driving.
The Duster was the poor man's Mopar, but OTOH like the Mustang II it was the car the times demanded.
Quote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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My friend put a huge Mustang engine in his Maverick and wrecked it when a tire blew at a very high speed. He then bought a souped-up AMC Javelin AMX or something like that. It had a cockpit unlike anything of its time, and we could cruise at 100MPH plus.
AMC wasn't a popular company, and its street racers didn't get the respect they deserved.
Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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Gremlin no. But I look at its successor, the Spirit, and wonder why it didn't do better. If AMC had stuck with smaller cars in the 1960s it might have hit the 1970s running hard. I look at the Eagle wagon and wish I bought one when I was getting my first car, thought I would have been laughed at I am sure. That one was ahead of its time and should have been what the Outback became.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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My friend put a huge Mustang engine in his Maverick and wrecked it when a tire blew at a very high speed. He then bought a souped-up AMC Javelin AMX or something like that. It had a cockpit unlike anything of its time, and we could cruise at 100MPH plus.
AMC wasn't a popular company, and its street racers didn't get the respect they deserved.
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I would want nothing but a stock version of those cars.
Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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No love for a VW Thing?
Quote: camaplQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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No love for a VW Thing?
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Personally, I'm not a fan of the mildly finicky routine of setting the ignition points every few thousand miles. It's getting harder and harder to find a quality shop that works on air cooled fahvays, which means you need to do a lot of your own maintenance.
Quote: camaplQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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No love for a VW Thing?
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I barely remember the Thing. I have seen a few in the past but never enough for them to make a great impression on me.
Quote: DRichQuote: camaplQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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No love for a VW Thing?
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I barely remember the Thing. I have seen a few in the past but never enough for them to make a great impression on me.
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Just watch more WW2 movies. It was the official car for nazi staff officers.
Quote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeI went looking for a new TV at BJ's a week ago, saw one with some gamer label that attracted me (AMD FreeSync VRR). Came home, got the instruction manual off the internet. The TV didn't have RCA audio out or headphone out; only optical audio out or HDMI out.
You can buy an HdMI to RCA out cable for less than $10.
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I had this exact issue a few months ago. Didn't even think of HDMI. I bought an A/D converter for the optical audio output. My only issue is that the optical audio output is not controlled by the TV volume control. I need to adjust using the stereo amplifier, which means I need to keep an extra remote control nearby. I'm too old to learn to program a universal remote.
Quote: DRichQuote: camaplQuote: DRichQuote: EvenBobSo he bought a new bottom of the line AMC car instead. It was pretty much crap too but it was 10 times better than that Yugo.
I would love to have a AMC Gremlin or Pacer right now. To me, those are classic cars. I would also add the Ford Pinto to my list.
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No love for a VW Thing?
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I barely remember the Thing. I have seen a few in the past but never enough for them to make a great impression on me.
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He makes an idiot out of himself describing the wipers but the rest is good.
If driving without an effective windscreen, the driver is supposed to have eye protection.
You see the guys moving the bare chassis from original manufacturer to the RV coachbuilder wearing motorcycle helmets to comply.
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If driving without an effective windscreen, the driver is supposed to have eye protection.
You see the guys moving the bare chassis from original manufacturer to the RV coachbuilder wearing motorcycle helmets to comply.
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I once got pulled over for not having the facemask part of my motorcycle helmet down and I didn't have glasses on.
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If driving without an effective windscreen, the driver is supposed to have eye protection.
You see the guys moving the bare chassis from original manufacturer to the RV coachbuilder wearing motorcycle helmets to comply.
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I once got pulled over for not having the facemask part of my motorcycle helmet down and I didn't have glasses on.
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A bug in my eye at 50 MPH cured me of that habit rather quickly.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: Dieter(sigh)
If driving without an effective windscreen, the driver is supposed to have eye protection.
You see the guys moving the bare chassis from original manufacturer to the RV coachbuilder wearing motorcycle helmets to comply.
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I once got pulled over for not having the facemask part of my motorcycle helmet down and I didn't have glasses on.
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A bug in my eye at 50 MPH cured me of that habit rather quickly.
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Gnats and sand and tickets... oh my!
Most of the guys in my old riding group carried a pair of safety glasses. A lot of rides started during sunglasses hours, and at least half of them only had tinted shields on the helmet. Flipped up with clear safety glasses was at least nominally compliant after sundown.
Those june bugs hitting your chest at 60mph smart a bit, even through a leather jacket.
Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: Dieter(sigh)
If driving without an effective windscreen, the driver is supposed to have eye protection.
You see the guys moving the bare chassis from original manufacturer to the RV coachbuilder wearing motorcycle helmets to comply.
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I once got pulled over for not having the facemask part of my motorcycle helmet down and I didn't have glasses on.
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A bug in my eye at 50 MPH cured me of that habit rather quickly.
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Gnats and sand and tickets... oh my!
Most of the guys in my old riding group carried a pair of safety glasses. A lot of rides started during sunglasses hours, and at least half of them only had tinted shields on the helmet. Flipped up with clear safety glasses was at least nominally compliant after sundown.
Those june bugs hitting your chest at 60mph smart a bit, even through a leather jacket.
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I didn’t know June bugs could move that fast…!
My theory is the Military is using the “UFO” or aliens to openly test newer “X” military craft. Then they just explain, they saw it also, but don’t know what it is.
Also, it would be fairly easy to expose some military personnel to clever fakery, so they will really believe that something alien is being hidden, to get authentic sounding witnesses for their cover story.
How do they explain alien anal probing?Quote: rxwine4 people before Congress testifying UFO.s (UAPs) are real.
My theory is the Military is using the “UFO” or aliens to openly test newer “X” military craft. Then they just explain, they saw it also, but don’t know what it is.
Also, it would be fairly easy to expose some military personnel to clever fakery, so they will really believe that something alien is being hidden, to get authentic sounding witnesses for their cover story.
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Quote: rxwine4 people before Congress testifying UFO.s (UAPs) are real.
My theory is the Military is using the “UFO” or aliens to openly test newer “X” military craft. Then they just explain, they saw it also, but don’t know what it is.
Also, it would be fairly easy to expose some military personnel to clever fakery, so they will really believe that something alien is being hidden, to get authentic sounding witnesses for their cover story.
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on June 25 2021 of Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a report on UAPs - the link is the actual report
the Report stated that it was unable to identify 143 objects spotted between 2004 and 2021
the report stated that 18 of these sightings featured unusual movement patterns or flight characteristics
they added that more analysis was needed to determine if this represented breakthrough technology
the report did not link the sightings to extraterrestrial life
in 2007 the French Space agency CNES published an archive of UFO sightings - see Wiki link
they stated they can neither prove nor disprove the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis
they stated that they cannot discard the the possibility that some fraction of the very strange 22% of cases might be due to distant and advanced civilizations
in September of 2023 Nasa reported for the first time the appointment of a Director of UAP (ufo) Research to study such occurrences
the Pentagon has released 3 UFO videos and they are in the 3rd link from Wiki and there are various but inconclusive explanations for these videos and related sightings
some of the speculation was that the sightings were drones from other countries spying on the U.S. but an noted security expert stated that these other countries do not have the capability to produce aircraft with such extraordinary capabilities
the whole thing could be accurately summarized by these words: " the responsible Officials really just don't know what these sightings actually represent"
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object#Investigations_of_reports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos
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