If this was suicide - so unnecessary.
Reminds me of the story of Sessue Hayakawa (Bridge Over the River Kwai) and his legendary gambling. One night in Monte Carlo in 1926, he lost about $965,000. (equivalent to at least $14M today, if not more), and just shrugged it off. That same night a wealthy Japanese business lost everything at the same casino, and committed suicide. Sessue lived on to the ripe old age of 87.
It's not what happens to you that matters, but how you deal with it.
I'm prepared. I didn't go all cash like some investors have, but I reduced my stock exposure significantly early in the year
Michael Burry's opinion:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/big-short-michael-burry-stock-market-bubble-crash-twitter-spx-2022-9
Quote: Ace2Anybody else getting the feeling that the market could start crashing any day now? I mean something much steeper/faster than what we saw the first half of the year. I was originally thinking the real implosion wouldn't start until next year, now I'm thinking before year-end
I'm prepared. I didn't go all cash like some investors have, but I reduced my stock exposure significantly early in the year
Ad me to the List. There is no way they can get out of this mess. This is not 1980.
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Ad me to the List. There is no way they can get out of this mess. This is not 1980.
Unless, of course, they suddenly get the urge to practice fiscal responsibility. lol Just kidding.
Quote: Ace2Anybody else getting the feeling that the market could start crashing any day now? I mean something much steeper/faster than what we saw the first half of the year. I was originally thinking the real implosion wouldn't start until next year, now I'm thinking before year-end
I'm prepared. I didn't go all cash like some investors have, but I reduced my stock exposure significantly early in the year
Michael Burry's opinion:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/big-short-michael-burry-stock-market-bubble-crash-twitter-spx-2022-9
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Have you noticed that the day after you post these "market might crash" posts the market is always bright green?
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Have you noticed that the day after you post these "market might crash" posts the market is always bright green
We're $30 Trillion in debt, forget about unfunded future liabilities, once the world's greatest creditor nation, now the world's biggest debtor nation. Dollar Index is fiction, the cleanest shirt in the dirty clothes hamper. Dollar going to zero. Housing starting to crumble. Why do you think the Market might crash, more like WHEN will it crash. If cash is trash, why won't a Central Bank Digital Currency also be trash? There's nothing behind it, except a promise. A promise from history's biggest crooks. I won't be able to buy a stick of gum without it being recorded, on a block chain. The future is so bright.
There remain a lot of buyers out there and it's foolish to think that people have given up on the US stock market.
Quote: MDawgWhen stocks are going down some people think they will keep going down forever, and when they are going up some people think they will keep going up forever. The truth is always somewhere in between.
There remain a lot of buyers out there and it's foolish to think that people have given up on the US stock market.
The truth is out there. We are too far gone and it will never be politically expedient to fix things. Like I said, this is not 1980, when the Debt was ONLY in the billions, with a B. We can't get out now. Even Volker couldn't solve this mess. What will the Market do when the Dollar is worthless?
There remain a lot of buyers out there who actually believe the WH's lies about the "booming" economy. There remain a lot of buyers out there, who are going to lose everything.
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There remain a lot of buyers out there and it's foolish to think that people have given up on the US stock market.
Venezuela had a booming Market, everyone's rich with their millions of Bolivars. Except you can't buy anything with them.
Once an extremely prosperous nation, now they eat their pets.
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There remain a lot of buyers out there and it's foolish to think that people have given up on the US stock market.
Venezuela had a booming Market, everyone's rich with their millions of Bolivars. Except you can't buy anything with them.
Once an extremely prosperous nation, now they eat their pets.
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I have about 280 lbs of dogs sleeping on my couch right now. I won't go hungry for a while.
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There remain a lot of buyers out there and it's foolish to think that people have given up on the US stock market.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgBut still, then as today momentum is most of what keeps many stocks going up, and as long as companies are able to deliver at earnings times, stock prices will continue to go up.
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AMZN and AAPL doing JUST FINE, brother!
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You may be fine waiting 15 years to break even. I'm not
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This sort of thinking is to misunderstand the markets. People have been predicting crashes for years now, and luckily I ignored all of them.
As an extreme example say you held AMZN all the way from...200 at the end of 1999 to 5 dollars at its bottom in 2001. (Those are the actual figures I recall from those times, not adjusting for any splits.) Well today it is an adjusted 2500 or so. So what's the problem?
People that tell you to go short, sell everything, expect a crypto or stock market extended winter that will last for years, do not understand the markets and never will.
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Oh that's right. MDawg thunk it.
You're better off just following MDawg's advice. Certainly you could do a whole lot worse. Like selling everything and then having it rebound.
But it didn't get that low.

Probably will leave it alone and concentrate on other work today.
304 is an adjusted 912 pre- (most recent) split. Oh yes, the market is definitely falling apart. It didn't take fifteen years to recover, not even fifteen days.
To not understand that a week or two is an eternity in this market is to have learned nothing in the past decades.


Trading opportunities present themselves on the dips.
I think you’re finally getting it, MDawg. Before you know it, we probably will see Dow 23,000 (and lower). About every fundamental shows that this superbubble is finally bursting…and this is just the beginning. We are in unprecedented times, quickly transitioning out of a 13-year period of (nearly) free money back into a relatively normal interest rate environment. Free money made asset valuations go way up into fantasyland, much higher than ever before, and it looks like that era is over. It’s hard to believe it lasted over a decadeQuote: MDawgBefore you know it, we'll have another one of these days.
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By the way, your “all-green” comments over the past couple weeks are hilarious. You would have been the type of guy that was super bullish and went all-in right before the 1929 crash, plus day trading the fad-stocks of the time. But hey it only took 25 years for the market to recover back to 1929 levels
Quote: MDawgThat dealer I run into occasionally says is down three million over the past couple months. Mentioned a figure of something like 50% down? and a buy and hold going back decades. Must not be holding much or any TSLA or AAPL! to be down 50%.
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Sadly, my portfolio is down over 25% from the highs. Hopefully my CYDY will save me. :)
Quote: MDawgMarket roaring two days in a row so far.
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It’s up around .8% today. 1pm EST. I would not rule out a sell off approaching 4pm. Not that I do anything about it….
AMZN missed today. Poor guidance for holiday season.
AAPL met, but dropped anyway. Light on iPhone and services? Could well be green by tomorrow.
Quote: MDawgCould well be green by tomorrow.
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AAPL doing just fine, brother!
The U.S. Stock Market remains durable, as always.
I am somewhat surprised the market is still as high as it is right now. Nearly every fundamental says it should plunge, most importantly the stratospheric price/gdp ratio. Core inflation might have peaked but it’s probably going to be a long road back down to the 2% target. Interest rates will go higher and stay there for a while…severely affecting stock valuations and especially mortgages/real estate.
Remember, the stock market was setting new highs in the second half of 2007 and rallying well into 2008, then the bottom fell out. Markets can’t defy reality forever, fundamentals rule in the end
This underscores the potential danger of even legitimately run crypto exchanges if an improperly run exchange that later goes under buys them out.
People who bought into FTX's own cryptocurrency FTT I suppose stand to lose as much or more than those who simply stored their crypto at FTX. (FTT peaked at almost $80. in 2021 - it is now valued at less than $2, but surprisingly there is still a market for it.)
Quote: OnceDearThreads gone kinda quiet.
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Well.... according to CNBC
"Elon Musk is no longer the wealthiest person, according to Forbes, after a decline in Tesla share price meant that LVMH CEO Bernard Arnault knocked him from his lofty perch.
Elon Musk is not MDawg.Quote: HullabalooQuote: OnceDearThreads gone kinda quiet.
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Well.... according to CNBC
"Elon Musk is no longer the wealthiest person, according to Forbes, after a decline in Tesla share price meant that LVMH CEO Bernard Arnault knocked him from his lofty perch.
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There's something missing here, of late. Where are the reports of MDawg's profitable trades in these falling equities.
Is he not trading?
Is he losing and not telling?
Is he winning and not boasting?
Might it be that some trades ended up booked as 'additions to long term holdings'
Haven't traded at all lately, been too busy with other work and matters. I did have an order for AMZN at 86 the other day but it didn't get quite that low that day.
If we’ve already hit bottom then this would be the mildest bear market in history. Doubtful but you never know
Real estate values have now declined for six consecutive months in several markets, with a cumulative drop of about 12%. Unlike stocks, real estate prices don’t alternate between up/down…they almost always go in the same direction for years. If the RE market implodes, watch out below
Reminds me somewhat of December 2018 - we hit a rock bottom on December 24, 2018, then moved steadily upwards the next three months.
Quote: MDawgWe have some upward movement today.
Reminds me somewhat of December 2018 - we hit a rock bottom on December 24, 2018, then moved steadily upwards the next three months.
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With the uncertainty of the economy, where would you guess the S&P and DOW will be one year from now. I am speculating it will be up less than 5% a year from now and would not be shocked if it was down as much as 5%. I expect a large negative period in the 2nd quarter and then slowly coming back later in the year.
Dow dives 600 points to below 22,000, S&P 500 enters bear market — worst Christmas Eve ever I was stuck in this AMZN trade I had entered a few weeks or so prior where I was down seven figures at the worst, and that was just a trade, my long term shares of AMZN dipped more than just a million, and yet three months later, I sold those extra shares at a profit as they came all the way back up.
In other words, you just never know and my tendency is to think that after periods of selling the buyers will swoop in enough to take us to new highs. Others, tend to think that selling begets more selling.
Looking back, I wish I had bought calls three months out in about any stock, would have made a mint. Of course that sort of pipe dream thinking is always perfect - anyone who wants to buy calls three months out today would probably be as reluctant to do so today as on Christmas Eve 2018 - BUT, I actually do know more than a few people who started buying around late November 2018 and kept buying all the way down, and held on until they made quite a bit of money.
Quote: Ace2If you had to bet that the S&P would close below 3500 on Jan-31, what would be a fair line? +200 ?
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See below. Let me know if you need me to convert this to fair American odds.

But, AAPL and TSLA were pretty hard hit today, I must say.
Assuming 52 * 5 - 10 = 250 trading days per year and a 0.40% daily decline, that would be an annual drop of about 1 - 1/e = 63.2%.
Works out quite nicely
Actually no.Quote: MDawgBut based on that reasoning, if CYDY (or any other stock) goes up 10% one day, it will be up 2500% by the end of the year!
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10% compound per day for 250 days means it would be up by a factor of about 22 billion. So 2.2 trillion percent gain in one year
Mdawg's non-recognition of compound growth surprised me.Quote: Ace2Actually no.Quote: MDawgBut based on that reasoning, if CYDY (or any other stock) goes up 10% one day, it will be up 2500% by the end of the year!
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10% compound per day for 250 days means it would be up by a factor of about 22 billion. So 2.2 trillion percent gain in one year
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Quote: Ace2S&P down 0.40%, or 1/250th, on the first trading day of the year.
Assuming 52 * 5 - 10 = 250 trading days per year and a 0.40% daily decline, that would be an annual drop of about 1 - 1/e = 63.2%.
Works out quite nicely
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As opposed to someone who generously gives us these pearls of wisdom?
That I didn't bother to waste time calculating the exact extent of such ridiculousness is simply because I didn't waste time calculating the exact extent of such ridiculousness. 😉
It's actually quite clear that Ace2 believes such nonsense, not even just from the one post yesterday, but from the sum of his posts...where he clearly opines repeatedly that because the market has been falling it will keep falling. His belief about four months ago that he would soon get a chance to buy back in the 270s all the SPY he sold about four months ago at 381 is more of the same.