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July 26th, 2019 at 3:33:03 PM permalink
Where are all those posts predicting he'd be rich?

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July 26th, 2019 at 3:39:21 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Scenario "Unexpected Cream pie to the face."

Despite Republicans prediction to not have the votes, Democrats still impeach Trump. When it gets to the Senate just enough Senators sign on, and Trump is removed from office,

Rational: GOP Secret deal with Pence, i.e., many of the same Trump policies minus all the crazy bs.



Can we give the boot to Moscow Mitch while we're dreaming? He's just as much a worthless POS as Trump is.

I've been convinced for a while that Pence is being kept "safe" for just such an occasion. He'll pop out every once in a while to say or do something dumb, but otherwise he just fades into the background, keeping his nose clean, relatively speaking. Pence is the GOP's failsafe if they really, really, really can't contain Trump any more.
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July 26th, 2019 at 3:41:14 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Can we give the boot to Moscow Mitch while we're dreaming? He's just as much a worthless POS as Trump is.



I'm not saying I like it, but I give it some possibility.
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July 26th, 2019 at 4:52:25 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Can we give the boot to Moscow Mitch while we're dreaming? He's just as much a worthless POS as Trump is.



I am asking a favor. Please stop calling people "POS". We know how you feel about the President. I feel similar disdain towards many of the blatantly hypocritical Dem candidates, but I refrain from the childish characterizations that dominate your posts. Do you think you are smart for saying "Moscow Mitch"? You really think McConnell is owned by the Kremlin? The childishness of your epithets lowers any potential value in your posts.
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July 26th, 2019 at 5:14:06 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Yes



I agree, a majority of Americans believe in a majority of those sentiments.
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July 26th, 2019 at 5:22:12 PM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

I agree, a majority of Americans believe in a majority of those sentiments.



I'm not sure a majority believes in every one of them but would say if the election were determined by that criteria, Bob's side loses.

Of course, the election won't be decided on them so get ready for all sorts of nuttiness. If the election was next week, trump would be rallying for justice for a$ap but he'll find another shiny object to fix on.
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July 26th, 2019 at 5:49:56 PM permalink
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One of the reasons I like this forum is I often find a post that summarizes my point better than I was able to. I tried to explain to a youngster, who is in the process of taking out student loans, why 'making them disappear' is not the right thing to do. Taking out a loan is giving your word to someone that you will pay them back. I have nothing more valuable than my word. I hated my student loans. Paid them off as soon as I could. Drove a Honda instead of a Lexus. Smaller apartment instead of bigger one. No HBO or Cinemax. Etc.... I despise Elizabeth's Warren's view of America. America is the land of opportunity, not the land of give everyone everything.



I've a riposte, seeing as you seem to be on an respectful debate kick as of late...

Looking at it broadly, it seems to imply that any progress is an entitlement. Since YOU had it this way, another should not have it easier. An understandable approach, and very human, but is it "best"? Taken to an absurd extreme, should we ban financing? Grandpop never got to make payments, why should you be availed of this tool that costs oh so gd much in the way of fees, fraud, legislation, regulation, etc, just because YOU can better wield your funds with it?

I dunno, it seems to rely more on a biased, personal sense of fairness as opposed to what is best for all.

I'd add further, and with no disrespect intended, that the world has moved on since your "when". You came into a country with a plateau'd yet still strong manufacturing industry, a world where a "company man" still existed, where "pensions" weren't rarer than a Bills playoff appearance. You lived in a world where a year's tuition to an Ivy leaque law school cost about $500, or $3,500 in today money. Today, even entry level jobs are requiring 4 and sometimes 8yr papers, and oft start around $18/hr.

There is no debating that our country is going to experience a huge shift in employment opportunities, be it phasing out of industries, automation, or the creation of new sectors of needs. Regardless of what these changes are, we are going to need an intelligent populace with the ability to think. We HAVE to, as the alternative is having 50% of the country moping around aimlessly on the dole.

How we gonna educate these people? Throw 'em into the tuition grinder with a pat on the back and a good f#$%ing luck?
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July 26th, 2019 at 5:58:01 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Where are all those posts predicting he'd be rich?

Nick Sandmann lawsuit against Washington Post dismissed by judge



Hahaha.

Did I not tell y’all that little racist thug wasn’t gonna get a dime?!
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July 26th, 2019 at 6:12:52 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Hahaha.

Did I not tell y’all that little racist thug wasn’t gonna get a dime?!



Everyone that doesn’t agree with you is a racist in your mind,

You truly are an angry person.

I’m assuming that will be considered an insult, but whatever, needs to be said.

And it’s obvious a vacation did nothing to curtail your anger toward others you disagree with.

PS, if you are kind enough to share the Uber drivers name you stiffed, I’ll gladly make sure he gets a tip.
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July 26th, 2019 at 6:53:09 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Everyone that doesn’t agree with you is a racist in your mind,

You truly are an angry person.

I’m assuming that will be considered an insult, but whatever, needs to be said.

And it’s obvious a vacation did nothing to curtail your anger toward others you disagree with.

PS, if you are kind enough to share the Uber drivers name you stiffed, I’ll gladly make sure he gets a tip.



I don't find you calling me "angry" to be insulting. It's dead wrong. But so is most of the stuff you post.
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July 26th, 2019 at 8:34:01 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

You are delusional.



Nobody grasps what slashing the
military, Medicare for all, and
the gov't paying off student
loans would do to the economy.
Let alone the Green New Fiasco.

Drastically cutting the military
would put hundreds of thousands
out of work, close bases and
put 10's of thousands of civilians
out of work and close hundreds
of small businesses. Medicaid
for all would bankrupt us. It's
all pie in the sky foolishness,
none of it will ever get passed.

Americans LOVE this economy
and hated the 'new normal'
Obummer economy. I get credit
card offers in the mail every day,
every dang day. I got none when
Obummer was president. It's
because of the economy. I'm
not endorsing CC's, they're
just a bellweather of how good
things are going.
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July 26th, 2019 at 10:55:33 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Do you think you are smart for saying "Moscow Mitch"? You really think McConnell is owned by the Kremlin?



Owned by someone.

Mitch McConnell Received Donations from Voting Machine Lobbyists Before Blocking Election Security Bills

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell squashed two bills intended to ensure voting security on Thursday, just one day after former special counsel Robert Mueller warned that Russians were attempting to sabotage the 2020 presidential elections "



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-received-donations-from-voting-machine-lobbyists-before-blocking-election-security-bills/ar-AAEUGcx?ocid=spartanntp
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July 27th, 2019 at 1:48:28 AM permalink
I heard the SCOTUS overturning of
the lower court on the wall. I didn't
know they said Trump can legally
direct billions in military money
to it's construction. And Trump has
made a deal with Guatamala that
means no countries south of
there can claim asylum here anymore.

This is huge news. And with Mexico
terrified of sanctions and having
thousands of troops on the southern
border, Trump's base is jumping up
and down to reelect him.

MAGA!
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July 27th, 2019 at 2:34:31 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

You are delusional.

Please tell me it hasn't taken you about nine years to just now figured this out?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 27th, 2019 at 2:42:43 AM permalink
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Please tell me it hasn't taken you about nine years to just now figured this out?



To the insane, the rest of the world is usually delusional
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:50:10 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Owned by someone.

Mitch McConnell Received Donations from Voting Machine Lobbyists Before Blocking Election Security Bills



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-received-donations-from-voting-machine-lobbyists-before-blocking-election-security-bills/ar-AAEUGcx?ocid=spartanntp



I am sort of a ‘lobbyist’. I represent my profession by meeting with my elected representatives at both the state and federal levels. Apparently since I do not get paid I am technically a constituent, and not a lobbyist. I’d say splitting hairs. But donations are made to these officials (their campaigns) by me and my colleagues. You all would be stunned at how LOW the amounts donated are. It would not surprise me at all to find out that MM is supported by my PAC. (I do not know this to be fact or fiction). But in no way would I feel we ‘own’ him due to our donation. In fact, it usually works the other way. You find a politician that supports your views and then you donate to him or her. You don’t find a politician that opposes you and then ‘buy’ his vote.
I’ll bet MM received money from voting machine lobbyists, paper ballot lobbyists, internet voting lobbyists, voice controlled voting lobbyists, etc.... If you are either the second or third most important elected official in the country EVERY lobbyist wants access. It’s unseemly, but I can promise you that you could make the same exact case against Pelosi, as an example.
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:05:12 AM permalink
Quote: Face



There is no debating that our country is going to experience a huge shift in employment opportunities, be it phasing out of industries, automation, or the creation of new sectors of needs. Regardless of what these changes are, we are going to need an intelligent populace with the ability to think. We HAVE to, as the alternative is having 50% of the country moping around aimlessly on the dole.

How we gonna educate these people? Throw 'em into the tuition grinder with a pat on the back and a good f#$%ing luck?



The college system needs to collapse to be repaired. Like Basic Training where they tear you down to build you up. Some schools need to flat out close. Others need to adapt. The big important, HS Guidance Counselors need to quit shoving kids to college to get them out of their offices and check off that they sent x% of their schools students to college.

Who makes more money, a person with a general degree or a person with their CCNA cert?

As long as Division I football survives, the public will take years to notice the collapse, a good thing.
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:52:57 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I don't find you calling me "angry" to be insulting. It's dead wrong. But so is most of the stuff you post.



All I know is if a trip to Vegas hopefully getting co$k leaves you still hateful toward a student, I’m not what would help you’re anger issues.
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July 27th, 2019 at 5:10:12 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

All I know is if a trip to Vegas hopefully getting co$k leaves you still hateful toward a student, I’m not what would help you’re anger issues.



These posts about my “anger” would probably be more meaningful to me if they didn’t come directly after this post of mine that obviously triggered you:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/31688-2020-election/343/#post728824

It’s the old “I’m rubber and you’re glue” routine.
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July 27th, 2019 at 7:51:40 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I am asking a favor. Please stop calling people "POS". We know how you feel about the President. I feel similar disdain towards many of the blatantly hypocritical Dem candidates, but I refrain from the childish characterizations that dominate your posts.



Your objection is noted. But if politicians are going to act like s***ty children, then that's what I'm going to call them. Respect is earned, not given. The politicians that I trash in this thread have done nothing to earn my respect.

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Do you think you are smart for saying "Moscow Mitch"?



No, I didn't come up with that. I stole it from someone else.

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You really think McConnell is owned by the Kremlin?



Well, he certainly isn't doing much to make me believe that he isn't, and he's doing an awful lot to make me suspicious.

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The childishness of your epithets lowers any potential value in your posts.



I don't post here to present any perceived value. I post here to vent. I certainly wouldn't be offended if you blocked me, like I have blocked other posters that I believe are acting like trolls and children.
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July 27th, 2019 at 7:54:32 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

These posts about my “anger” would probably be more meaningful to me if they didn’t come directly after this post of mine that obviously triggered you:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/31688-2020-election/343/#post728824

It’s the old “I’m rubber and you’re glue” routine.



It’s funny the left always uses the word “triggered”. Do they give you a playbook on what to say? And we still haven’t proven you are Not Mayor Pete.

As anyone even seem Mayor Pete and AMS at the same time in the same place?
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July 27th, 2019 at 8:00:28 AM permalink
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-de-blasio-trump-unwelcome-new-york-20190726-ucoqxhkzazht3nrhxuepty7hwq-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Just another reason the left is losing support daily.

Illegal filth is welcome to spawn in New York, get welfare and drivers licenses but the President isn’t welcome. So says another Clown Car Candidate getting under 1%.

What a piece of trash. Suck my sugary sodas straw Mr Bill.
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July 27th, 2019 at 8:31:32 AM permalink
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-de-blasio-trump-unwelcome-new-york-20190726-ucoqxhkzazht3nrhxuepty7hwq-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Just another reason the left is losing support daily.

Illegal filth is welcome to spawn in New York, get welfare and drivers licenses but the President isn’t welcome. So says another Clown Car Candidate getting under 1%.

What a piece of trash. Suck my sugary sodas straw Mr Bill.



This is just my observation as a gambler who travels quite a lot.

In 2016 I had plenty of people vociferously argue why Trump was the man, the candidate to elect. And those same people trashed Hillary (many believed she ran a prostitution ring out of a pizza shop but that is where voters heads were in 2016 around the country)

Lately though I dont see that support for Trump anymore. More and more people I speak to discuss his Twitter and ridiculous lies and how the whole administration is a circus

Im just not seeing support for him on the East Coast at least from NY to Florida. And even when I hit the Spring Fling, in Vegas and California I saw anti-Trump sentiment

So those are my personal observations. Is it scientific, no. But I dont see this massive erosion of democrats support that you keep touting
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July 27th, 2019 at 8:37:41 AM permalink
People don’t enjoy being attacked, sometimes physically, for wearing a hat or persecuted in the workplace for their political beliefs. If you support Trump you’re apparently fair game for all sorts of personal attacks and attempts at people destroying your livelihood, being labeled as a misogynist or “racist thug” or homophobic with zero justification or supporting evidence and that sort of treatment is apparently just ok to people and even celebrated. Mob mentality at its finest.

So people just keep their mouth shut and vote rather than subject themselves to that sort of appalling treatment.
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July 27th, 2019 at 8:47:31 AM permalink
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Im just not seeing support for him on the East Coast at least from NY to Florida. And even when I hit the Spring Fling, in Vegas and California I saw anti-Trump sentiment

So those are my personal observations. Is it scientific, no. But I dont see this massive erosion of democrats support that you keep touting



This is because you hang around with ant-Trump people in left wing areas. Check out the rallies. I was out on a boat last week and saw a huge coal barge with a Trump flag flying from the bow.

See, his supporters do not care about lefties crying that illegal aliens are not being allowed into the USA. We do not care about your Russia fantasies. We like our tax cuts and our roaring economy.

You "saw anti-Trump sentiment in California?" As if there was not in 2016.

I would suggest you turn off the CNN/PMSNBC political shows and get a better hobby. Clear your head. Life is great when you tune that stuff off.
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July 27th, 2019 at 8:50:45 AM permalink
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Im just not seeing support for him on the East Coast at least from NY to Florida. And even when I hit the Spring Fling, in Vegas and California I saw anti-Trump sentiment



I live in Oklahoma, one of the reddest States in the Union, and I rarely see Trump support. Just a bumper sticker every once in a while, but that's about it. I've seen one MAGA hat here in the last three years. During the election, I think I honestly saw more Hillary signs in people's yards than Trump signs. People barely even talk about supporting him.

Still, every county in Oklahoma went to Trump in 2016. But I feel like a lot of people I interact with here were not so much Pro-Trump as they were Anti-Hillary. I'm interested to see how next year is going to go.

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Illegal filth is welcome to spawn in New York, get welfare and drivers licenses but the President isn’t welcome. So says another Clown Car Candidate getting under 1%.



I thought NYC has hated Trump for decades....
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July 27th, 2019 at 10:09:00 AM permalink
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This is because you hang around with ant-Trump people in left wing areas. Check out the rallies. I was out on a boat last week and saw a huge coal barge with a Trump flag flying from the bow.

See, his supporters do not care about lefties crying that illegal aliens are not being allowed into the USA. We do not care about your Russia fantasies. We like our tax cuts and our roaring economy.

You "saw anti-Trump sentiment in California?" As if there was not in 2016.

I would suggest you turn off the CNN/PMSNBC political shows and get a better hobby. Clear your head. Life is great when you tune that stuff off.



Obviously you are hanging around pro-trump supporters so have the same delusions about everyone supporting trump.

I will say that down south east is not considered liberal land and I dont see much support for trump.

You lose Florida and Pennsylvania and ohio and trump will not win regardless of his godlike support the rest of middle America
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July 27th, 2019 at 11:00:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Obviously you are hanging around pro-trump supporters so have the same delusions about everyone supporting trump.

I will say that down south east is not considered liberal land and I dont see much support for trump.

You lose Florida and Pennsylvania and ohio and trump will not win regardless of his godlike support the rest of middle America



And I can tell you there are plenty of boats flying the Trump 2020 in and around Tampa Bay every weekend. But time will tell.

That said last year all I heard was Florida was going Dem and they actually lost a sitting Dem Senate seat in a year that was great for Dems nationally.
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July 27th, 2019 at 11:31:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Obviously you are hanging around pro-trump supporters so have the same delusions about everyone supporting trump.

I will say that down south east is not considered liberal land and I dont see much support for trump.

You lose Florida and Pennsylvania and ohio and trump will not win regardless of his godlike support the rest of middle America



So you think, just like you thought he had no chance last time. I can say that her in PA I see plenty of Trump signs, not even in an election year. I have yet to meet anyone who says they voted Trump last time but are sorry they did. The haters hated from the beginning. The supporters do not want the garbage the Democrat Party stands for (men competing as women in sports, free college, forgiving student loans, free health care for illegal aliens, taking away choice in health care, etc.)

You are living in your own little world. You are supporting a party that only benefits by having things go bad for the USA.
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July 27th, 2019 at 11:47:13 AM permalink
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And we still haven’t proven you are Not Mayor Pete.

As anyone even seem Mayor Pete and AMS at the same time in the same place?



I take that as a huge compliment!
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July 27th, 2019 at 11:52:30 AM permalink
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So you think, just like you thought he had no chance last time. I can say that her in PA I see plenty of Trump signs, not even in an election year. I have yet to meet anyone who says they voted Trump last time but are sorry they did. The haters hated from the beginning. The supporters do not want the garbage the Democrat Party stands for (men competing as women in sports, free college, forgiving student loans, free health care for illegal aliens, taking away choice in health care, etc.)

You are living in your own little world. You are supporting a party that only benefits by having things go bad for the USA.



Ny'ers hated trump from before the beginning because we saw what a con artist he is.
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July 27th, 2019 at 12:37:17 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Ny'ers hated trump from before the beginning because we saw what a con artist he is.



Bull. Every article I've read about Trump
from before he was president says
business people line up to get involved
with him because he makes money
for them. His projects usually came
in on time and under budget.

He would always have a waiting room
full of appointments. He was known
for no small talk, no how's the wife
and kids. Just make your point, pitch
your deal, and get out. That's why
he always got so much done.
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July 27th, 2019 at 12:55:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Bull. Every article I've read about Trump
from before he was president says
business people line up to get involved
with him because he makes money
for them. His projects usually came
in on time and under budget.

He would always have a waiting room
full of appointments. He was known
for no small talk, no how's the wife
and kids. Just make your point, pitch
your deal, and get out. That's why
he always got so much done.



Well, yeah, I mean it takes a lot of work to be as big a failure as Trump is.
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July 27th, 2019 at 1:29:12 PM permalink
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

Trump popularity down in all 50 states.

You can choose whichever state u wish to check on in the link.

I checked them all.

Dont look good for trump
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July 27th, 2019 at 1:29:59 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Bull. Every article I've read about Trump
from before he was president says
business people line up to get involved
with him because he makes money
for them. His projects usually came
in on time and under budget.

He would always have a waiting room
full of appointments. He was known
for no small talk, no how's the wife
and kids. Just make your point, pitch
your deal, and get out. That's why
he always got so much done.



I can't help it if you read fake news articles
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July 27th, 2019 at 1:48:50 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

Trump popularity down in all 50 states.

You can choose whichever state u wish to check on in the link.

I checked them all.

Dont look good for trump



Least popular President of the last 80 years.


Even Rasmussen has had him pretty much neck and neck with Obama's approval for the last year and a half. Doesn't say much about Trump if he's barely tied with the man that many conservatives said was the "worst President ever."

EDIT: And let's not forget about this recent Fox News Poll that shows both Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders beating Trump.
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:16:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Bull. Every article I've read about Trump
from before he was president says
business people line up to get involved
with him because he makes money
for them. His projects usually came
in on time and under budget.

He would always have a waiting room
full of appointments. He was known
for no small talk, no how's the wife
and kids. Just make your point, pitch
your deal, and get out. That's why
he always got so much done.



It is how guys like Trump are, probably a reason the political class hates him. In politics you talk and talk and talk, avoiding getting things done because someone will be upset about it. Look at how Obama regularly voted "present" to avoid taking a stand or appearing to do something. In the real world, Trump's world, you cannot do this or you get run over.

My brother piloted for a developer of apartment buildings who let him come to meetings. He was always amazed. Guy didn't want to hear little details. He wanted to hear what was on schedule and if not why not. In and out.

I had a boss like that once. Guy could be an SOB but when you dealt with him you got action, decisions. Looked out for his people but if you were incompetent or lazy you were gone. Some people cannot handle that type of management, want to be coddled and waste time talking and talking about things. One thing, when you did have a problem you got his undivided attention.

I can see Trump being like that. He really cares about people, but do not waste his time and do not bring him gobbleygook. He will not stand for it.
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:33:22 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I can't help it if you read fake news articles



They were written long before he
was elected. Nothing fake about them.
Leno, Letterman, Howard Stern have
all said Trump was at the top of their
guest list. He was funny, smart, always
took being made fun of well and the
audiences loved him. But you're
still baffled as to why people voted
for him.
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:40:37 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They were written long before he
was elected. Nothing fake about them.
Leno, Letterman, Howard Stern have
all said Trump was at the top of their
guest list. He was funny, smart, always
took being made fun of well and the
audiences loved him. But you're
still baffled as to why people voted
for him.



What baffles me is why the haters devote their life to following him. Forums, FB, etc. you see all kinds of posts, memes, and links. They are reading each other's stuff because we do not care to see all of this. It is same as the people who hated Howard Stern or the (usually women) who hated Tom Leykis. Why spend life with something you hate so much?
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:49:56 PM permalink
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What baffles me is why the haters devote their life to following him. Forums, FB, etc. you see all kinds of posts, memes, and links. They are reading each other's stuff because we do not care to see all of this. It is same as the people who hated Howard Stern or the (usually women) who hated Tom Leykis. Why spend life with something you hate so much?



Unless you don't want to watch or read anything about what is going on in the world you can't avoid him. The rest is like a wart. If you want it gone, you can't ignore it.
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:50:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They were written long before he
was elected. Nothing fake about them.
Leno, Letterman, Howard Stern have
all said Trump was at the top of their
guest list. He was funny, smart, always
took being made fun of well and the
audiences loved him. But you're
still baffled as to why people voted
for him.



So you voted for him because he was a good radio guest? LOL...

Stern said he told Trump he doesn't think he should be President. Trump hasn't talked to him since.

Jay Leno said, "I don’t like Trump, I can’t stand the guy, I don’t like him personally."

And David Letterman?

"I think he just liked being on TV. I had no sense that he was the soulless bastard that he's turned into.... Everybody says, 'Oh, wouldn't you like to talk to Donald Trump [today]?' And I would. I would just like to say, 'Don, it's Dave. Remember me? I want to talk to the real Donald Trump.' Because I now don't know which is the real Donald Trump, and if the Donald Trump that I was talking to [back then] was the real Donald Trump, how do you get to be the guy he is now? Politics notwithstanding — let's just say everything is great and he's done a great job, but he still behaves the way he behaves — who behaves like that?!.... He used to be kind of like the boob of New York that pretended to be wealthy, or we thought was wealthy, and now he's just a psychotic. Is that putting too fine a point on it?....I don't even care if it's recorded, I would just like to talk to the guy, because, as I said before, he knows me, I know him — what the hell went wrong?!"

Not exactly a glowing endorsement....
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July 27th, 2019 at 3:58:05 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Least popular President of the last 80 years.


Even Rasmussen has had him pretty much neck and neck with Obama's approval for the last year and a half. Doesn't say much about Trump if he's barely tied with the man that many conservatives said was the "worst President ever."

EDIT: And let's not forget about this recent Fox News Poll that shows both Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders beating Trump.



Some interesting things in these graphs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating#Graphs

From FDR through Bush Sr, you can see every president with some extremely high peaks in approval ratings. And that's four five Democrats and five Republicans. Americans had no problem supporting a president from a different party. Then starting with Clinton, you see the approval ratings fall much lower and much more more flat (not counting the 9/11 spike for Bush Jr). We now base our approval entirely on political party and none of us are going to change.

For the 2020 election, everyone's vote was already decided three years ago. Any change next year compared to 2016 is going to come from people who either die or stay home compared to who turns 18 and show up. I feel confident predicting that the number of people who switch from D to R and R to D will be less than the margin of victory. (for simplicity, we can just lump those of us who vote third party in with the people who stay home)
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:00:41 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

... Why spend life with something you hate so much?

A selfless act
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:03:42 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Unless you don't want to watch or read anything about what is going on in the world you can't avoid him. The rest is like a wart. If you want it gone, you can't ignore it.



First step is turn off cable news. That will get the haters mostly off. True, any POTUS is going to dominate world, not just USA, news. That does not mean you follow every article, and look for any little thing you hate. As I said, get a life. Obsessing like this another 5 years is not good for mental health.
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:11:24 PM permalink
Quote: TomG



From FDR through Bush Sr, you can see every president with some extremely high peaks in approval ratings. And that's four five Democrats and five Republicans. Americans had no problem supporting a president from a different party. Then starting with Clinton, you see the approval ratings fall much lower and much more more flat (not counting the 9/11 spike for Bush Jr). We now base our approval entirely on political party and none of us are going to change.



Interesting... but I kind of disagree with your assessment.

I don't think we SHOULD discount the 9/11 spike. And Obama didn't have any big spikes because A) nothing really crazy happened during his two terms, and B) we were getting over a huge recession. Obama was basically a caretaker President overseeing a wind-down of two wars and some economic recovery.

Trump is just a massive anomaly. Love him or hate, I think we can all agree there's never been another President like him, at least not in living memory. I don't think we can base his "non-spikes" entirely on political bias.

I don't think it's fair to say we base our approval entirely on political party. We need to give it at least one, maybe two more different Presidents to make that call.
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:14:10 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

First step is turn off cable news. That will get the haters mostly off. True, any POTUS is going to dominate world, not just USA, news. That does not mean you follow every article, and look for any little thing you hate. As I said, get a life. Obsessing like this another 5 years is not good for mental health.



Well, if you need to take a rest, don't let me stop you.
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July 27th, 2019 at 4:50:37 PM permalink
Schedule is out for next year's Democratic Convention.

There could be changes, additions & rearrangements as the Date gets closer ...
Monday July 20, 2020:
11:15 AM
Free lunch, medical marijuana, and bus ride to the Convention.
Forms distributed for Food Stamp enrollment.
2:30 PM
Group Voter Registration for Undocumented Immigrants.
4:00 PM
Opening Flag Burning Ceremony
(Sponsored by CNN)
4:15 PM
Address on "Being the Real You"
Rachel Dolezal, former Head of the Seattle NAACP
4:30 PM
"How to Bank $200 Million as a Public Servant and Claim to be Broke"
Hillary Clinton
4:45 PM
“ How to have a successful career without ever having a job, and still avoid paying taxes ! ”
A Seminar Moderated by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
5:00 PM
Medals of Freedom presentation to Army deserter Bo Berghdal and several Baltimore Looters
5:30 PM
Invitation-only Autograph Session - Souvenir photographs of Elizabeth Warren dressed in Native American clothing
5:45 PM
Tribute to All of the 57 States Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
6:00 PM
General vote on praising Baltimore rioters, and on using the terminology " Alternative Shoppers " instead of " Looters "
7:30 PM
Announcement of VP Nominee - Stacy Abrams- Former Ambassador, and to Chris Stevens with a quick Post-mortem rebuttal
8:30 PM
The White House " Semantics Committee " Meeting - General vote on re-branding " Muslim Terrorism" as: "Random Acts of Islamic Over-Exuberance "
9:00 PM
“ Liberal Bias in Media – How we can make it work for you ”
Tutorial sponsored by CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times with Guest Speaker, Don Lemon
9:30PM
Social Suite opens for all delegates FREE FOOD and DRINK ALL NIGHT. Sponsored by ALL the Tutorial Presenters. (Closes at 10:20AM Tuesday when film starts)

TUESDAY JULY 21,2020
10:15 AM
Tribute Film to the Brave Freedom Fighters still incarcerated at GITMO by Michael Moore
10:45 AM
Personal Finance Seminar – " Businesses Don't Create Jobs " Hosted by speaker Barack Obama
11:15 AM
Group Condemnation of Bitter Gun Owners
11:45 AM
Ceremonial “ We Surrender ” Waving of the White Flag and How to hold your Hands Up (Practical Exercise)
12:15 PM
Short film, "Setting Up Your Own Illegal Email Server While Serving in A Cabinet Post and How to Pretend It's No Big Deal"
12:45 PM
Official Nomination of Kamala Harris by Bill Maher and Chris Matthews
1:00PM
CLOSING CEREMONY - and Group apology for being White.

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July 27th, 2019 at 4:51:33 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu



I don't think it's fair to say we base our approval entirely on political party. We need to give it at least one, maybe two more different Presidents to make that call.



Not sure there, we are already in the midst of the shift. Those that do not remember before 1990 don't get it. Reagan was the last unifier POTUS. Both elections were just landslides. Bush41 didn't have his gift. He was probably the most popular POTUS during the Gulf War, except for Bush43 in the fall of 2001. Then Clinton changed everything. We did not realize it at the time, but he did.

Clinton never got a majority of the vote. The Democrats rammed thru a tax increase as one of his first big "wins." This is the start of the "no deals" era we still have today. Then in 2000 we had a "lovefest" of an election. Both sides so enamored of data that neither would say much to dare upset this guy who lived in the suburbs of Peoria. In the end, less than 1,000 people decided it.

The sidelight was that neither side "convinced" anyone, it was all about driving your base to the polls, literally and figuratively. It has been ever since.
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July 27th, 2019 at 5:09:44 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Clinton changed everything. We did not realize it at the time, but he did. Clinton never got a majority of the vote. The Democrats rammed thru a tax increase as one of his first big "wins." This is the start of the "no deals" era we still have today. Then in 2000 we had a "lovefest" of an election. Both sides so enamored of data that neither would say much to dare upset this guy who lived in the suburbs of Peoria. In the end, less than 1,000 people decided it. The sidelight was that neither side "convinced" anyone, it was all about driving your base to the polls, literally and figuratively. It has been ever since.

Clinton led many of us to vote for a Republican for the first time in our lives,
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July 27th, 2019 at 5:13:27 PM permalink
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Clinton led many of us to vote for a Republican for the first time in our lives,



Me among them.
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