2020 Election
Quote: wellwellwellGovernment idiocracy at its finest,
Same as the gasoline tax. The greenie leftists pressure the government to increase mpg's in vehicles and subsidize electric vehicles then less gallons of fuel sold and less taxes to build and repair roads. Duh, didn't someone figure that was going to happen in the beginning?
I think low MPG vehicles would have happened no matter what. There is definitely a market for those types of cars.
Although I am not sure if it’s really a problem. It seems nearly every car on the road is an big SUV or Pickup.
But I wonder how electric cars will be taxed for road usage when they inevitably become the norm. I think right now, owners are actually getting tax credits despite not buying gas and putting the same amount of wear and tear on the road.
Quote: gamerfreakAlthough I am not sure if it’s really a problem. It seems nearly every car on the road is an big SUV or Pickup.
Some companies quit making sedans and other hybrid vehicles all together.
AOC...POS....AOC...POS
It’s coming and can’t be accused of being racist. Just insulting to Bartenders everywhere.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm sure the Breitbarts and infozones will try.
I doubt they want to waste time on this clown struggling to pull a couple percentages points.
Unless it helps Kamala, then they will do anything to help her become the nominee.
Quote: AZDuffmanHmmm, sounds similar to Romney's "47%" comment. I wonder if the media will nail him for it the same way the went after Romney?
The sad thing is Romney was right about his numbers, he just said it in the wrong context.
And I’m not biased enough to believe that only Dems are not paying FIT. Plenty of lazy non voters and Republicans out there not contributing.
The same crowd that always bitches the “rich” aren’t paying their “fair share”.
Quote: redietzI'm in an odd situation. I'm on board with about half of the Trump policies, but I can't for the life of me understand why people voted for him.
What good is management experience if huge chunks of them involve major bankruptcies wherein your shareholders and employees got screwed? The Trumpster's "Art of the Deal" involves, in real life, generating 3500 lawsuits in 30 years, most of which involve either suing subcontractors for "substandard work" or flat out not paying subcontractors and forcing the smaller businesses to try to sue him. And, since this is a gambling site, does anyone know why Trump couldn't get a gaming license in Nevada?
Near as I can tell, Trump's major achievements are inheriting his father's money and helming a self-promoting reality show a la Paris Hilton.
As for the "Trump as villain" I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm not focused on his wandering eye. That's the least of it. It's the grade school bully persona and being ultra loose with facts, plus the weird obsession with holding self-promoting rallies for no compelling reason. The question is, since this is the behavior and persona you're proselytizing if you're a Trump supporter, how are you going to feel when your neighbors behave like Trump? Or your sons and daughters? Or grade school teachers? Do you really want a world populated with people wielding Trump personalities? Because that is what you are creating and promoting. It's on you.
I don't really care, myself. A world full of chubby loudmouth bullies with no evident expertise doesn't particularly frighten me. I don't have any children, so the absurdity is entertaining, not scary. I'm not gonna live forever, so I don't care about consequences much. Some people say that "chubby loudmouth bullies" describes the United States, anyway. But if you're a Bible toting evangelical, the idea that we're promoting Trump style as a way to behave has gotta at least give you pause.
People voted (and will vote) for Trump because the alternative is just downright terrifying. And no, if Bernie or Kamala or whoever else on the left get elected, I’m not going to cry and yell or need a therapy dog or go to a safe space. I might start building a bunker with MaxPen’s blueprints though.
I'll say it again -- if you're backing Trump, you're creating a culture where Trump style of behavior is fashionable. If that's your choice, then okay. But somehow I don't think many Americans would actually want Trump as our neighbor, our boss, our son's teacher, or dating our daughter. But that's what is being created.
Quote: wellwellwellGovernment idiocracy at its finest,
Same as the gasoline tax. The greenie leftists pressure the government to increase mpg's in vehicles and subsidize electric vehicles then less gallons of fuel sold and less taxes to build and repair roads. Duh, didn't someone figure that was going to happen in the beginning?
Most people do not believe maximizing government revenue to be the sole purpose of tax policy.
I usually support higher consumption taxes, and that is especially true for gas tax. With higher gas taxes, it is very easy for someone to choose to pay less simply by driving less, driving slower, and driving a more fuel efficient car (with something like income tax, the only way to choose to pay less is to earn less money, which can be a far greater hardship than driving the speed limit). Also, with higher gas prices people will drive less, which means less wear on the roads, requiring less repair. Even more important, with fewer cars on the road, it makes it so much better for me to drive around. (and fewer car crashes and less pollution, but those are much less important that not having to waste time in heavy traffic).
The other thing is there are a lot of people who are not going to give up driving their diesel SUVs and F-250s. And they're going to accelerate into red lights and they are going to drive from the Wynn to Aria. It will be a long time before electric vehicles put much of a dent into that type of behavior. And when it does, raise taxes on electricity. I'll be fine, because I'll still be driving a small car and choosing to use a lot less energy getting around then most people.
Quote: gamerfreakRegular sales tax is fine.
But do you really not see a problem with spending billions in tax dollars to subsidize corn, which makes soda cheaper than it should be, and then turning around and levying an extra tax on it because public health officials tell us we shouldn’t be drinking it?
In other words, they are using tax dollars to create an surplus in supply, and then on the other end trying to reduce demand with extra taxes.
Of course this is a problem, but a problem in one area shouldn't be the reason we insist on keeping problems in another area. If some place decides a soda tax is best, either to increase revenue or keep plastic out of oceans, or whatever, the welfare Trump gives farmers shouldn't stop them from doing it.
Why does soda made with aspartame cost the same as soda made with corn syrup?
Quote: beachbumbabsYou did (vote for a tramp). Why are you being all condescending and rude about this? Or is it news to you that your orange whore slept with #2 while married to#1, slept with #3 while married to #2, slept with at least 2 porn queens while #3 was pregnant?
John Barron must've been on vacay for you to have missed it.
You don't have a leg to stand on about this, trying to claim some moral high ground by proxy or whatever distortion you're pushing.
And no, for the record, being Mayor Willie's girlfriend for a time does not equal sleeping your way to the top. It's just a nasty deflection from how much more intelligent and experienced she is in goverment and management than Trump.
IT DOES EQUAL YOUR WAY TO SLEEPING YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!!!! That is EXACTLY what she did! Anyone who denies it is just fooling themself. This does NOT mean that Trump's handling of his personal life has not been REPREHENSIBLE, because it has.
I do think it is quite DIFFERENT, Trump being a total sleaze to his wives, girlfriends and mistresses...... compared to someone who slept her way to PUBLIC office. Trump's embarrassments are from his private life, and none (to my knowledge) helped him gain public office. Harris sold her body to gain public office.
BOTH should not be President.
Quote: redietzI think I understand the thinking, RS, in that I pretty much despised Ms. Clinton, partly because as she got older, she appeared increasingly insincere whenever she tried to sell the idea she was on the side of the working class. She'd deliver certain lines, and my eyes would roll.
Bernie is more sincere, Hillary is insincere but realistically most of her polices would be more moderate.
Someone told Hillary she should try to be likable. It looked as unnatural as Romney trying not to appear wooden.
Quote: gamerfreak
Although I am not sure if it’s really a problem. It seems nearly every car on the road is an big SUV or Pickup.
Trucks/SUVs are now about 3/4 of the market. For good reason. They are great vehicles. You sit higher, you can load them to the hilt, and MPG is just a 2-3 lower than a sedan. Sedans make so little sense. When I had my first hatch I said I would not get a sedan again unless it was a dirt cheap deal or I needed something more formal to take clients out in.
This is worldwide, sedans are endangered worldwide and SUVs are taking their place.
Quote: TomGOf course this is a problem, but a problem in one area shouldn't be the reason we insist on keeping problems in another area. If some place decides a soda tax is best, either to increase revenue or keep plastic out of oceans, or whatever, the welfare Trump gives farmers shouldn't stop them from doing it.
Why does soda made with aspartame cost the same as soda made with corn syrup?
I think any tax that is created to change the behavior of consumers is wrong. Tobacco included.
I could maybe be convinced otherwise when it comes alcohol as long as the tax revenue is used to mediate the public health risk when it comes to drunk driving, assault, etc.
My guess is that soda with artificial sweeteners isn’t any more expensive to produce due to the low volume of those sweeteners required to get the same level of sweetness compared to sugar or HFCS. I’m also confused about why diet sodas get lumped in with these beverage taxes when there’s been zero health issues linked to their consumption.
Quote: SOOPOOIT DOES EQUAL YOUR WAY TO SLEEPING YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!!!! That is EXACTLY what she did! Anyone who denies it is just fooling themself. This does NOT mean that Trump's handling of his personal life has not been REPREHENSIBLE, because it has.
I do think it is quite DIFFERENT, Trump being a total sleaze to his wives, girlfriends and mistresses...... compared to someone who slept her way to PUBLIC office. Trump's embarrassments are from his private life, and none (to my knowledge) helped him gain public office. Harris sold her body to gain public office.
BOTH should not be President.
In a male dominated society most people would consider her the victim.
Forget any past relationships she had for the moment.
Based on her schooling and actual achievements AT THE TOP what do you feel about her.
So far the arguments made are not that she isnt capable but that she dated a guy who helped her.
Donald Trump was BORN to the top and recieved a huge financial help from his dad. How does that make him more qualified than Kamala?
If you point to what Trumps accomplishments are fine but then you have to do the same for Kamala
Biden or Klobuchar (am I missing anyone serious?) seem to be the only candidates not left of left......
Quote: AZDuffmanTrucks/SUVs are now about 3/4 of the market. For good reason. They are great vehicles. You sit higher, you can load them to the hilt, and MPG is just a 2-3 lower than a sedan. Sedans make so little sense. When I had my first hatch I said I would not get a sedan again unless it was a dirt cheap deal or I needed something more formal to take clients out in.
This is worldwide, sedans are endangered worldwide and SUVs are taking their place.
I agree, living in PA I will only drive an SUV with AWD. My Toyota Highlander has gotten me out of so many situations in snow storms or light flooding where other cars get stranded.
What always gets me is when I see someone stuck in snow with an SUV and only the front wheels are turning. Anyone who buys a FWD SUV or Truck needs to get their head checked.
Quote: darkoz
Donald Trump was BORN to the top and recieved a huge financial help from his dad. How does that make him more qualified than Kamala?
If you point to what Trumps accomplishments are fine but then you have to do the same for Kamala
Simple, he went out into the real world and created real wealth, doing real things. She worked in the DA's office. In the DA's office you have taxpayer backing and an army of attorneys to go after whoever the powers want gone after. In the real world you have limited resources and must make things happen. When Trump had to deal with the mafia in NYC he did not have anyone to run to. He had to get results.
She slept her way into her career and had "diversity" programs and proponents looking out for her.
And anyone who thinks bussing was a great idea is nuts. I remember those days, bussing destroyed schools and neighborhoods. Meanwhile the pols who pushed it their kids never seemed subject to it.
Quote: redietzI think I understand the thinking, RS, in that I pretty much despised Ms. Clinton, partly because as she got older, she appeared increasingly insincere whenever she tried to sell the idea she was on the side of the working class. She'd deliver certain lines, and my eyes would roll. But the flip side is a guy who spent 30 years basically stepping all over subcontractors who are, you know, mostly working and middle class. So if you voted for the guy, you had to prioritize 18 months of his talking over 30 years of his doing.
I'll say it again -- if you're backing Trump, you're creating a culture where Trump style of behavior is fashionable. If that's your choice, then okay. But somehow I don't think many Americans would actually want Trump as our neighbor, our boss, our son's teacher, or dating our daughter. But that's what is being created.
So after 30 years of horrible abuse the subcontractors still just lined up dying to work for Trump?
Doesn't work that way. No one would work for him without payment up front and a big premium on their fees if he was so bad.
Quote: SOOPOOIT DOES EQUAL YOUR WAY TO SLEEPING YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!!!! .
Is it worse than getting a kid a job at some place because your dad knows the owner? Happens quite a bit, but it’s not any fairer.
Quote: rxwineIs it worse than getting a kid a job at some place because your dad knows the owner? Happens quite a bit, but it’s not any fairer.
In the #metoo era it is completely unacceptable.
Quote: AZDuffmanIn the #metoo era it is completely unacceptable.
No telling how many jobs were gotten because someone knew someone or did someone a favor. Man or woman. The fact that they did it without giving a bj doesn't make it any fairer.
One can throw stones, but this one probably hits a lot of people.
Quote: rxwineNo telling how many jobs were gotten because someone knew someone
The first 3 jobs I had were because
I knew a person who got me in.
Even being in the bar business was
because I knew the previous owner.
As I recall, I've only had one job
where they hired me on my own
merits.
The insurance company my wife
retired from hires almost exclusively
from referrals of people who work
there. If you refer someone and they
get hired, the company pays you $50.
My wife has 8 members of her fam
who work there, all her sisters, and
some of their kids. It makes for a
very friendly work environment.
Quote: wellwellwellSo after 30 years of horrible abuse the subcontractors still just lined up dying to work for Trump?
Doesn't work that way. No one would work for him without payment up front and a big premium on their fees if he was so bad.
What way do you think it works? Lawyers reach agreements with contractor's lawyers and even when Trump was found wrong he still probably got it suppressed in the final agreement.
Corp admits no wrongdoing, settlement undisclosed. That's what they all prefer. And NYC is not a small place, lots of people to go through.
Quote: SOOPOOIT DOES EQUAL YOUR WAY TO SLEEPING YOUR WAY TO THE TOP!!!! That is EXACTLY what she did! Anyone who denies it is just fooling themself. This does NOT mean that Trump's handling of his personal life has not been REPREHENSIBLE, because it has.
I do think it is quite DIFFERENT, Trump being a total sleaze to his wives, girlfriends and mistresses...... compared to someone who slept her way to PUBLIC office. Trump's embarrassments are from his private life, and none (to my knowledge) helped him gain public office. Harris sold her body to gain public office.
BOTH should not be President.
So how did Jared Kushner become senior advisor to Trump?
HINT: It was by sleeping with his daughter. He slept his way to PUBLIC office and Trump is all about it.
I’m not a fan of KH, and I understand the argument that one shouldn’t date coworkers. But to claim that dating a superior for a small portion of her career is the only reason for her success, and to further claim that it’s somehow significantly more reprehensible than the egregious nepotism displayed by the Trump family is laughable.
Quote: rxwineNo telling how many jobs were gotten because someone knew someone or did someone a favor. Man or woman. The fact that they did it without giving a bj doesn't make it any fairer.
One can throw stones, but this one probably hits a lot of people.
It might at that, but if #metoo does not call her out on it then they are facing a credibility problem.
Quote: rxwineWhat way do you think it works? Lawyers reach agreements with contractor's lawyers and even when Trump was found wrong he still probably got it suppressed in the final agreement.
Corp admits no wrongdoing, settlement undisclosed. That's what they all prefer. And NYC is not a small place, lots of people to go through.
What does any of this have to do with the original poster's claim that Trump abused the people he hired to do his construction for 30 years?
Even in NYC the construction industry is a small world and everyone knows who will pay you and who won't. Doesn't take lawyers to get involved.
Quote: wellwellwellWhat does any of this have to do with the original poster's claim that Trump abused the people he hired to do his construction for 30 years?
Even in NYC the construction industry is a small world and everyone knows who will pay you and who won't. Doesn't take lawyers to get involved.
It's easily possible that he didn't abuse all contracts. So one workers claim wouldn't ring true to another's.
Quote: wellwellwellWhat does any of this have to do with the original poster's claim that Trump abused the people he hired to do his construction for 30 years?
Even in NYC the construction industry is a small world and everyone knows who will pay you and who won't. Doesn't take lawyers to get involved.
Why dont you just google it?
There are dozens of examples and articles about it
I suppose you could argue you dont believe the articles but then whats the use of asking for evidence if you refuse to accept it when offered
Quote: darkozWhy dont you just google it?
There are dozens of examples and articles about it
I suppose you could argue you dont believe the articles but then whats the use of asking for evidence if you refuse to accept it when offered
Dozens of examples over 30 years? So let's say it is 3 dozen. That's 36. One dispute a year? You call that rampant abuse? Of course you do if you want to damage Trump.
Quote: wellwellwellDozens of examples over 30 years? So let's say it is 3 dozen. That's 36. One dispute a year? You call that rampant abuse? Of course you do if you want to damage Trump.
Ok so how about hundreds?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/85297274
Or do you require a businessman to screw thousands before you feel he is repugnant?
We arent talking about $75 here and there.
One guy for example was screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars forcing his business to go bankrupt
Quote: rxwineNo telling how many jobs were gotten because someone knew someone or did someone a favor.
Have you ever been in a hiring position?
It's much easier to find a qualified person
by getting a reference from someone you
trust than hiring off the street. Hiring cold
off the street sucks, frankly. People are
always on their best behavior in an interview,
you could be hiring the devil incarnate for
all you know. I always hired people that were
vouched for.
Quote: darkozOk so how about hundreds?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/85297274
Or do you require a businessman to screw thousands before you feel he is repugnant?
We arent talking about $75 here and there.
One guy for example was screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars forcing his business to go bankrupt
Looks to me like things that happen in the ordinary course of business for any large organization.
Quote: wellwellwellLooks to me like things that happen in the ordinary course of business for any large organization.
Well, or wellwellwell, I'm afraid there is a problem with that as well. (well well)
Quote:USA TODAY analyzed the legal involvement for five top real-estate business executives: Edward DeBartolo, shopping-center developer and former San Francisco 49ers owner; Donald Bren, Irvine Company chairman and owner; Stephen Ross, Time Warner Center developer; Sam Zell, Chicago real-estate magnate; and Larry Silverstein, a New York developer famous for his involvement in the World Trade Center properties.
To maintain an apples-to-apples comparison, only actions that used the developers' names were included. The analysis found Trump has been involved in more legal skirmishes than all five of the others — combined.
I wish I would have known, I would have slept with her for free.Quote: gamerfreakSo how did Jared Kushner become senior advisor to Trump?
HINT: It was by sleeping with his daughter. He slept his way to PUBLIC office and Trump is all about it.
Quote: rxwineWell, or wellwellwell, I'm afraid there is a problem with that as well. (well well)
So what?
Businesses are still lining up to do business with the Trump Organization.
Let me know when Trump can't find anybody to work for him and I will concede there is a problem.
He's a piece of s**t. The people in North Carolina should know that by now. He'll throw you and them under the bus if it's advantageous for him to do so.
Quote: wellwellwellSo what?
Businesses are still lining up to do business with the Trump Organization.
Let me know when Trump can't find anybody to work for him and I will concede there is a problem.
Very strange response.
Many con artists and swindlers continue to find victims for decades.
The mark of whether a swindler is problematic is when he no longer can find victims?
People who welch on their debts are only problematic when they no longer can rack up further debts?
That cant be conservative thinking is it?
Quote: rxwineWell, or wellwellwell, I'm afraid there is a problem with that as well. (well well)
Oh you mean the Edward DeBartolo Jr that is a felon?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/sports/football/eddie-debartolo-jr-pro-football-hall-of-fame.html
Quote: darkoz
Many con artists and swindlers continue to find victims for decades.
Sure do, Democrat Party still gets 90% of the Black vote despite selling them out time after time, keeping them in poverty year after year.
Quote: AZDuffmanSure do, Democrat Party still gets 90% of the Black vote despite selling them out time after time, keeping them in poverty year after year.
Thats a meaningless deflection.
In fact implicitly means you have no problem with a con artist trump. All you can do is point to some specious argument about a party in general
Quote: darkozThats a meaningless deflection.
In fact implicitly means you have no problem with a con artist trump. All you can do is point to some specious argument about a party in general
It is an example of people falling for a con year after year. On that part I agree.
I do not find Trump to be a con artist. Not one bit. Why would a con artist work for free?
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is an example of people falling for a con year after year. On that part I agree.
I do not find Trump to be a con artist. Not one bit. Why would a con artist work for free?
A) to get your confidence
B) you been conned so badly you dont even realize trump isnt working for free
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is an example of people falling for a con year after year. On that part I agree.
I do not find Trump to be a con artist. Not one bit. Why would a con artist work for free?
You don't? Do you have a problem with Trump selling the people of North Carolina out when it was politically expedient for him to do so?
You people are so far up his a** you don't even know when you're being s**t on.
Quote: darkozVery strange response.
Many con artists and swindlers continue to find victims for decades.
The mark of whether a swindler is problematic is when he no longer can find victims?
People who welch on their debts are only problematic when they no longer can rack up further debts?
That cant be conservative thinking is it?
In the book How to Get Off the Bus Bench and Start a Business some of this stuff is covered in a few chapters. Businesses don't pay for non-performance, breach of contract, failure to meet specifications, and a litany of other valid reasons. Disagreements are settled in the courts or thru agreed upon arbitration.
Quote: MaxPenIn the book How to Get Off the Bus Bench and Start a Business some of this stuff is covered in a few chapters. Businesses don't pay for non-performance, breach of contract, failure to meet specifications, and a litany of other valid reasons. Disagreements are settled in the courts or thru agreed upon arbitration.
Generational businesses all of a sudden don't know how to do business when they land a Trump contract?
Quote: SteverinosGenerational businesses all of a sudden don't know how to do business when they land a Trump contract?
If a contract with a single entity drives you out of business then you most likely don't know what you're doing or don't have much of a business to begin with.
Quote: MaxPenIn the book How to Get Off the Bus Bench and Start a Business some of this stuff is covered in a few chapters. Businesses don't pay for non-performance, breach of contract, failure to meet specifications, and a litany of other valid reasons. Disagreements are settled in the courts or thru agreed upon arbitration.
Fantastic!
I am glad we agree
Here is Fox news reporting on Trumps hundreds of liens and lawsuits he lost as people did exactly what you said they should.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/dozens-of-lawsuits-accuse-trump-of-not-paying-his-bills-reports-claim.amp
