2020 Election
Quote: rxwineHis base? His base can't get him elected playing the fool no matter how much they "rah rah" for him.
Let me see. Trump was elected because
of all the things he promised to do.
He got elected, did them all and more,
and his base wants him out?
In the Dem world, that makes sense. Not
so much in the real world. We love Trump,
you've got nobody that can beat him.
Quote: TomGAnother issue is how these things are used. States and state institutions really only started using Confederate flags only after the Confederacy was long gone as a way to show they were against the civil rights movement. That's not history, that's a political statement.
I understand people use these for ill. But you're positing that we should, essentially, legislate racism.
We've got to stop being reactionary and attacking results.
Again, maybe I'm speaking out of turn because my experiences are much different than the ones we're discussing. Racism to me is a very in-your-face thing with almost no external effects, that is to say it's mostly the use of slurs and hate speech not realizing I'm the minority they're disparaging, as opposed to being denied loans, abused on traffic stops or otherwise assaulted in public. But if something like a flag or statue "emboldens" bigots and racists, I say good. Let them self identify; I don't know how that could be looked at as anything but valuable. I sure as hell ain't intimidated by the 12 or so who ever show up, nor would I rob them of the chance to, by sheer number, finally assemble a complete set of chromosomes (apologies to the Venezuelan gecko and its 16 pair, I mean no offense).
I guess I'm more afraid of the clean cut guy in a suit than the dude with a tatted on Schutzstaffel uniform. The guys that DON'T have eyes on them. These statues, this kind of emboldening, it's doing me a lot of favors.
Quote: FaceI understand people use these for ill. But you're positing that we should, essentially, legislate racism.
For me the issue is government supported things, not personal property with something on it. Same as religious stuff that is state supported. Don't want to see government support for any of it.
Quote: EvenBobIt was highly entertaining because
CNN didn't think that would be
the outcome. Notice there are
no polls of Trump's base since
the weekend. There are polls, but
we can't see them because the
base loves what Trump said.
Actually I have seen polls of his base following his racist comments and they obviously loved it.
I’m not sure why you’re pretending like it’s some big surprise that Donald’s predominantly racist base was pleased by their racist leader’s racist weekend tweetstorm.
Of course, his base only represents ~35% of America. The other groups they polled saw his tweets for what they were.
The POTUS has nothing to do!
Imagine if Obama ever said that.... The heads of the Nazis they’ve got hosting Fox News’s prime time lineup would have exploded! 😂
Quote: ams288Actually I have seen polls of his base following his racist comments and they obviously loved it.
I’m not sure why you’re pretending like it’s some big surprise that Donald’s predominantly racist base was pleased by their racist leader’s racist weekend tweetstorm.
Of course, his base only represents ~35% of America. The other groups they polled saw his tweets for what they were.
Disagree with the 35% number but your issue is the other “whatever “ % all live in states that Trump will lose by 20-30% like NY, CA, WA & OR. His base who is not predominantly “racist” but if that makes you feel better saying it, go right ahead.
But why so angry?
Quote: Keyser
MAGA!
The irony in this picture is hilarious.
Quote: BozDisagree with the 35% number
Of course you do.
Quote: FaceI understand people use these for ill. But you're positing that we should, essentially, legislate racism.
Not in any way. Confederate flags were put on state capitals and state colleges in large part as a protest against being forced to integrate. That is history. Saying it has anything to do with geographic pride or that the war wasn't about slavery are lies. Using these lies as reasons why it is acceptable is wrong and shouldn't be done. People should make decisions about these things with honesty and integrity. We only see racism when those values are absent.
Quote: SteverinosQuote: Keyser
MAGA!
The irony in this picture is hilarious.
Its a pretty good image of the racial makeup of those clapping for trump
Im sure keyster didnt even notice
Quote: ams288Donny is having a rally right now and he told the crowd he can stay all night cause he “has nothing to do.”
The POTUS has nothing to do!
Imagine if Obama ever said that.... The heads of the Nazis they’ve got hosting Fox News’s prime time lineup would have exploded! 😂
I hear a lot of hate from the audience
sad
My mother heard a lot of the hatred being expressed at the rally tonight in regards to going back to your country
Really sad. Even sadder because my father was a US Navy vet.
anyway.
Been taking a break from this thread and probably wont post much in this thread anymore.
One of my best friends (a huge huge Trump supporter) passed away suddenly 3 weeks ago
Dropped his daughter off at college and had a car accident coming home. Bam. Its al over. No longer with us. Still hard to wrap my head around it.
We got into it a little regarding politics but it never affected our friendship.
Life can be short.
Peace
Ed
Quote: TomGNot in any way. Confederate flags were put on state capitals and state colleges in large part as a protest against being forced to integrate. That is history. Saying it has anything to do with geographic pride or that the war wasn't about slavery are lies. Using these lies as reasons why it is acceptable is wrong and shouldn't be done. People should make decisions about these things with honesty and integrity. We only see racism when those values are absent.
And what party was running those states when those flags were flown from those state capitols?
Quote: SanchoPanzaThat sounds just like Antifa. Almost like Omar and Ocasio-Cortez.
I'm sure it does, to your ears. It's impossible for anyone to be to the right of you, so everyone else is not just left, but liberal, and wrong.
Quote: terapinedOne of my best friends (a huge huge Trump supporter) passed away suddenly 3 weeks ago
Dropped his daughter off at college and had a car accident coming home. Bam. Its al over. No longer with us. Still hard to wrap my head around it.
My condolences for your loss.
Quote: wellwellwellAnd what party was running those states when those flags were flown from those state capitols?
That just makes it doubly odd that we have some conservatives wanting to disgrace themselves with the association today. Al Qaeda does slavery. That's how low the association is.
Quote: terapinedI hear a lot of hate from the audience
sad
My mother heard a lot of the hatred being expressed at the rally tonight in regards to going back to your country
Really sad. Even sadder because my father was a US Navy vet.
anyway.
Been taking a break from this thread and probably wont post much in this thread anymore.
One of my best friends (a huge huge Trump supporter) passed away suddenly 3 weeks ago
Dropped his daughter off at college and had a car accident coming home. Bam. Its al over. No longer with us. Still hard to wrap my head around it.
We got into it a little regarding politics but it never affected our friendship.
Life can be short.
Peace
Ed
My sincere condolences, Ed.
Now your just being sillyQuote: rxwineThat just makes it doubly odd that we have some conservatives wanting to disgrace themselves with the association today. Al Qaeda does slavery. That's how low the association is.
Quote: rxwineThat just makes it doubly odd that we have some conservatives wanting to disgrace themselves with the association today. Al Qaeda does slavery. That's how low the association is.
So your answer was the DEMOCRATIC party?
You weren't very clear in your answer.
Quote: rxwineThat just makes it doubly odd that we have some conservatives wanting to disgrace themselves with the association today. Al Qaeda does slavery. That's how low the association is.
So your answer was the DEMOCRATIC party?
You weren't very clear in your answer.
double post?????
The ladies say it like it really is.
Quote: wellwellwellSo your answer was the DEMOCRATIC party?
You weren't very clear in your answer.
If I have to answer for what the Democratic party was before I was alive I guess we should plan on paying reparations. We weren't alive when all slavery business went down, but same logic applies.
Btw, do you have 40 acres and mule that Republican Abe Lincoln promised?
You actually know nothing about where I stand except for this extremely limited venue. In other words, you are making a sweeping statement with quite an assortment of vile implications. If personal ad hominem attacks are to be the standard here, I just might start invoking them myself.Quote: beachbumbabsI'm sure it does, to your ears. It's impossible for anyone to be to the right of you, so everyone else is not just left, but liberal, and wrong.
Quote: ams288I’m not sure why you’re pretending like it’s some big surprise that Donald’s predominantly racist base
You act like racism is a bad thing.
It's a nothing word now, ask 6
people and you'll get 6 explanations.
Try it. I'm a positive racist, I dislike
people of color who dislike me.
Let's call this what it is. People will not change positions. Ask a Trump supporter what actions by Trump would cause them to abandon their position. If the answer is nothing, then for all intents and purposes, Trumpism is a belief, a religion. So what we have is a war of belief, a religious war. If evangelical women, who really elected Trump, are going to support somebody with three marriages who picks up porn stars, then no behavior is going to disqualify Trump from the presidency.
That is truly a bad place for any country to be -- the leader has carte blanche.
I still don't understand, with Trump making comments about people's behavior and appearance, why folks don't just dish it back to him. He looks terrible. If you were on a debate stage with him, and he called you "sleepy" or "little" or whatever first, why not just call him "Jabba the Trump" or "chubster" or something? The way to damage him is to consistently belittle him. Anybody with looks or actual expertise or some money can attack him on all three fronts. You just have to take it upon yourself that winning requires you knock him down mano-a-mano. At this point, you can't do the asymmetrical political warfare thing. You have to meet him head-on with fat jokes and such. You have to make peace with degrading the man not being the same as degrading the office.
Quote: darkozQuote: SteverinosQuote: Keyser
MAGA!
The irony in this picture is hilarious.
Its a pretty good image of the racial makeup of those clapping for trump
Im sure keyster didnt even notice
And?
Do you have a point here?
Quote: redietz.
Let's call this what it is. People will not change positions. Ask a Trump supporter what actions by Trump would cause them to abandon their position. If the answer is nothing, then for all intents and purposes, Trumpism is a belief, a religion. So what we have is a war of belief, a religious war. If evangelical women, who really elected Trump, are going to support somebody with three marriages who picks up porn stars, then no behavior is going to disqualify Trump from the presidency.
I guess this has to be mentioned yet again. See, liberals set this standard in the 1990s with Bill Clinton. We were told character does not matter. The guy engaged in sexual harassment right in the Oval Office, but feminists backed him because he loved abortion. Heck, one even offered him the same Monica gave because "he kept abortion legal." Not that it was just the feminists. All of his coalition.
When we do get a guy acting honorable, like Pence not meeting with women alone, they he gets attacked for being some kind of square.
Obama bragged about shoving cocaine up his nose in college. He sat in that racist church for years. We found actual evidence of journalists trying to change the subject on the later.
They wrote the check, now the left is upset it is being cashed. So anyone on the left who goes along the line of this quote, I give a big "meh."
While we might get back to where the personal life of a POTUS is held to a high standard, I do not see it happening in my lifetime.
Quote: redietzIf you were on a debate stage with him, and he called you "sleepy" or "little" or whatever first, why not just call him "Jabba the Trump" or "chubster" or something?
That would backfire.
The dems in Congress would have to save face and vote condemn the person for being a Fatist.
As you said in a previous post: "People won't criticize obese folks because it alienates so many Americans who are themselves obese."
"The new Airbus fits 536 passengers, or 87 Americans" - David Letterman
Quote: EvenBobI'm a positive racist,
I’m positive you are too.
Quote: ams288Quote snipped for the relevant part:
Quote: EvenBobI'm a positive racist,
I’m positive you are too.
Out of context and is really a poorly executed personal insult attempt. You are on the right side of moderation though.
Edit: I was wrong about being on the right side.😂😂
Quote: MaxPenOut of context and is really a poorly executed personal insult attempt. You are on the right side of moderation though.
What’s out of context? I’m simply agreeing with his post.
If you want to argue that anyone should be banned for agreeing with anything EB says, I would have some sympathies!
Quote: SanchoPanzaYou actually know nothing about where I stand except for this extremely limited venue. In other words, you are making a sweeping statement with quite an assortment of vile implications. If personal ad hominem attacks are to be the standard here, I just might start invoking them myself.
(Thanks MaxPen, this meme really comes in handy for responding to a lot of rightie posts on here!)
Quote: ams288Quote snipped for the relevant part:
Quote: EvenBob
I'm a positive racist,
I’m positive you are too.
3 Days. Personal insult.
is that 6 days?Quote: beachbumbabs3 Days. Personal insult.
Quote: AxelWolfis that 6 days?
Lol. Yeah, I edited and for some reason it posted a duplicate version instead. I removed the first one. 3 Days is all.
Quote: AZDuffmanI guess this has to be mentioned yet again. See, liberals set this standard in the 1990s with Bill Clinton. We were told character does not matter. The guy engaged in sexual harassment right in the Oval Office, but feminists backed him because he loved abortion. Heck, one even offered him the same Monica gave because "he kept abortion legal." Not that it was just the feminists. All of his coalition.
When we do get a guy acting honorable, like Pence not meeting with women alone, they he gets attacked for being some kind of square.
Obama bragged about shoving cocaine up his nose in college. He sat in that racist church for years. We found actual evidence of journalists trying to change the subject on the later.
They wrote the check, now the left is upset it is being cashed. So anyone on the left who goes along the line of this quote, I give a big "meh."
While we might get back to where the personal life of a POTUS is held to a high standard, I do not see it happening in my lifetime.
First, you are stretching points to bolster your argument
Bill doesnt "love abortion" and neither do liberals. Your saying it over and over doesnt make it real either.
Most certainly your argument that Bill Clinton kept abortion legal is completely a lie. Most certainly you know it was decided by the supreme court and regardless of it being Clinton or Trump, abortion legality is not decided by the president. If you said he supported keeping it legal I would agree with you but you always push your arguments past credulity.
Secondly, the whole argument "we only do it cause you do" is a very poor one to stand on. It basically means you never believed in your moral arguments and just wanted an excuse. If it benefits you, then suddenly its okay out of some perverse revenge.
If your morals are so easily destroyed then you have pretty weak morals to begin with (referring to the whole trump evangelical base here)
Quote: darkozFirst, you are stretching points to bolster your argument
Bill doesnt "love abortion" and neither do liberals. Your saying it over and over doesnt make it real either.
Most certainly your argument that Bill Clinton kept abortion legal is completely a lie. Most certainly you know it was decided by the supreme court and regardless of it being Clinton or Trump, abortion legality is not decided by the president. If you said he supported keeping it legal I would agree with you but you always push your arguments past credulity.
I have shown over and over liberals celebrating abortion. I am not going to repeat myself. I forget how old you are, but you must not remember the late 1990s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Burleigh
Quote: Nina Burleigh
During a subsequent interview with a Washington Post media reporter to discuss the Mirabella article, Burleigh offered to perform a sex act on then President Clinton, stating “I would be happy to give him a [deleted] just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their Presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”
Quote:Secondly, the whole argument "we only do it cause you do" is a very poor one to stand on. It basically means you never believed in your moral arguments and just wanted an excuse. If it benefits you, then suddenly its okay out of some perverse revenge.
If your morals are so easily destroyed then you have pretty weak morals to begin with (referring to the whole trump evangelical base here)
No, it means I believed my moral arguments but am tired of having two sets of rules. This again is why we love Trump. He fights for himself.
Quote: beachbumbabs3 Days. Personal insult.
Hate to see most people suspended, even AMS for having an opinion. But he has really been going overboard on this “racism” rant lately.
Assuming that’s all he has left when he can’t understand why many average Americans of all colors appreciate what this President is doing for THEIR lives. They may not agree with everything he does or says, but they understand he sure beats the alternative and the views coming from left.
Many on here don’t want to believe it, but most don’t give 2 sh&&TS about how illegals are being treated. But they sure as hell care about their paycheck and their 401k.
And just maybe they realized that Dems crying racism lost a lot of its meaning with the lies in Ferguson and “Hands up, don’t shoot”.
As even the fool Jake Tapper said yesterday, Dems know Trump is winning this debate.
Quote: AZDuffmanI guess this has to be mentioned yet again. See, liberals set this standard in the 1990s with Bill Clinton. We were told character does not matter. The guy engaged in sexual harassment right in the Oval Office, but feminists backed him because he loved abortion. Heck, one even offered him the same Monica gave because "he kept abortion legal." Not that it was just the feminists. All of his coalition.
I love that the defense Trump supporters use is that he is so much like Clinton. Isn't that what you were so desperate to get away from?
Party above country: when the other side does it it's wrong. When we do it, it's because MAGA. But we could never be hypocrites, because only the other side can do that
Quote: wellwellwellAnd what party was running those states when those flags were flown from those state capitols?
It shouldn't matter what party it was from, and even asking the question shows a certain level of dishonesty by trying to cover up the fact that it was done as a way to fight against civil rights and integration
I'm pretty sure all of the governors and majority of state legislators who put up these flags at state capitals were racist Democrats (and it only took about one minute on wikipedia to confirm that). And I'm pretty sure most of the people who continued to use these symbols to fight against things like the Brown v Board of Education were also racists.
The flags were also put up at state colleges. The people who were running those institutions were not politicians and their positions are not supposed to be from a political party. But in this case, they were racists -- just as many of their successors who wanted it to continue were also racists.
Quote: BozBut they sure as hell care about their paycheck and their 401k.
Wages were 43% of GDI in 2017, the latest year we have the data on. They were 51.6 in 1970. Wages have been on the decline as a share of GDI for 50 years. And only 32% of Americans have a 401k.
Said it before, say it again. The day we STOP measuring the economy by how rich people are doing is the day we inch closer to #MAGA.
Quote: TomGI love that the defense Trump supporters use is that he is so much like Clinton. Isn't that what you were so desperate to get away from?
Party above country: when the other side does it it's wrong. When we do it, it's because MAGA. But we could never be hypocrites, because only the other side can do that
No, what we are saying is this is the way the Democrats made it under Clinton, so quit crying about it.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, what we are saying is this is the way the Democrats made it under Clinton, so quit crying about it.
I love that whenever the Democrats make something happen in this country, you want it to continue forever. Glad to know that in addition to fully supporting sexual misconduct from the president, you also support Obamacare, DACA, and 90% tax rates, because, as you love to say "This is the way the Democrats made it."
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, what we are saying is this is the way the Democrats made it under Clinton, so quit crying about it.
The ol trusty two wrongs make a right argument. I'm glad my kids are grown up and I don't have to explain this to them anymore.
Quote: TomGI love that whenever the Democrats make something happen in this country, you want it to continue forever. Glad to know that in addition to fully supporting sexual misconduct from the president, you also support Obamacare, DACA, and 90% tax rates, because, as you love to say "This is the way the Democrats made it."
Nice try.
Quote: SteverinosThe ol trusty two wrongs make a right argument. I'm glad my kids are grown up and I don't have to explain this to them anymore.
It does not matter what you explain to them, the standard has been set. Somehow I doubt you were against Clinton in the 1990s because of his behavior.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt does not matter what you explain to them, the standard has been set. Somehow I doubt you were against Clinton in the 1990s because of his behavior.
I was a teenager and didn't give two s**ts. But even at 16 years old, I knew that the two wrongs make a right argument was lame.
Quote: SteverinosI was a teenager and didn't give two s**ts. But even at 16 years old, I knew that the two wrongs make a right argument was lame.
Lets try this another way.
It is understood that Kamala Harris slept her way into government. Now, if she is the nominee are you going to say, "I will not vote for a tramp who slept her way in!?"
Or will you pull the "D" lever like it was a progressive slot you know is about to pay off?
Will you put party after country?
Quote: BozHate to see most people suspended, even AMS for having an opinion. But he has really been going overboard on this “racism” rant lately.
The Left puts wayyyyy too much emphasis
on the word 'racist'. The vast number of
Americans on both sides could care less
about racism. They don't know what it
means anymore, so it's become a non
word. The Left thinks it infuriates people,
when it actually creates no emotion at
all. Calling someone a racist has become
like calling someone a doo-doo head.
It's meaningless.
Quote: AZDuffmanLets try this another way.
It is understood that Kamala Harris slept her way into government. Now, if she is the nominee are you going to say, "I will not vote for a tramp who slept her way in!?"
Or will you pull the "D" lever like it was a progressive slot you know is about to pay off?
Will you put party after country?
Kamala Harris would still hold so much moral high ground over trump it’s not even an issue for me.
