2020 Election
Quote: SteverinosQuote: AZDuffmanYes, he did. Was removed under him in 2010. It was asked in 2000:
Sorry to ruin your day with facts.
No, he didn't. The questions were finalized in 2008 before Obama was elected.
LOL @ the gatewaypundit. I have no idea what your little .jpg is supposed to prove, lol. But for reference, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-gateway-pundit/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/us/politics/census-citizenship-obama.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/12/no-obama-didnt-remove-citizenship-question-census/
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512/fact-check-has-citizenship-been-a-standard-census-question
https://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2019/apr/04/mark-meadows/meadows-wrongly-claims-obama-removed-census-citize/
Zing! Lol...well debunked.
Quote: gamerfreakLooks like the Obama thing is fake news, and I was too young to know or care, but if that really happened with Clinton then yes I would be upset.
I am registered independent and so not consider myself a conservative or a liberal. My opinions of people and their actions do not change depending on whether or not they have a D or R next to their name. Every time I have voted it has been a combination of Democrats and Republicans.
As much as I dislike Trump as POTUS, there are nice things I could say about him.
As much as I liked Obama as POTUS, there are certainly things I could criticize him on.
This is not a zero sum game. I think identity politics are toxic garbage.
Iirc he almost shut the government down over it. I forget how it got killed.
Quote: AZDuffmanIirc
You don’t recall correctly.
It appears the Dems have their candidate.
Looking forward to Trump debating this pu##y licking, goal scoring machine.
No reason why she can’t be elected.
She checks all of the boxes liberals are looking for.
Only question is if she can win a multiple of Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio. If so, she is the next President of the United States.
Why not? At least she is an American.
Quote: Bozhttps://www.breitbart.com/sports/2019/07/14/poll-megan-rapinoe-beats-trump-hypothetical-presidential-race/
It appears the Dems have their candidate.
Looking forward to Trump debating this pu##y licking, goal scoring machine.
No reason why she can’t be elected.
She checks all of the boxes liberals are looking for.
Only question is if she can win a multiple of Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio. If so, she is the next President of the United States.
Why not? At least she is an American.
Its probably not a good sign for your side when someone no one has heard of is beating Trump in the polls
Quote: darkozIts probably not a good sign for your side when someone no one has heard of is beating Trump in the polls
Hillary is beating Trump in the polls.
The Democrat field is a joke. Free health care for illegal aliens. Candidates that think men have the right to an abortion. Arguments about the disaster that bussing was 45 years ago.
Do they think middle America really wants that?
I'm not sure why he thinks anybody is supposed to care. But is he going to give his house to a Black family as "reparations?" His side is calling for them after all. He could step up!
Quote: redietzA lot of strong opinions. A lot of blathering by both righties here and the left. But what I don't see on this purported gambling site is anyone with the courage of their convictions. Is anybody stepping up and launching wagers to match their mouths? A lot of bravery sans wallet-opening. Not sure what to call that. Either broke courage or wealthy cowardice.
So far I've seen a bunch of righties say "Trump has 2020 in the bag."
Haven't seen many 2020-related predictions on here other than that.
Quote: AZDuffmanHillary is beating Trump in the polls.
The Democrat field is a joke. Free health care for illegal aliens. Candidates that think men have the right to an abortion. Arguments about the disaster that bussing was 45 years ago.
Do they think middle America really wants that?
AZ,
Can you really point to the dem candidates who are fighting for the right of MEN to have abortions?
I don't know who has put their money where their mouth is as of yet, but people did when it was Hillary VS Trump. And it wasn't chump change, MaxPen cleaned up and made a small fortune.Quote: redietzA lot of strong opinions. A lot of blathering by both righties here and the left. But what I don't see on this purported gambling site is anyone with the courage of their convictions. Is anybody stepping up and launching wagers to match their mouths? A lot of bravery sans wallet-opening. Not sure what to call that. Either broke courage or wealthy cowardice.
Quote: darkozAZ,
Can you really point to the dem candidates who are fighting for the right of MEN to have abortions?
Quote: Julian CastroYes, it would. I don’t believe only in reproductive freedom. I believe in reproductive justice. And, you know, what that means is that just because a woman — or let’s also not forget someone in the trans community, a trans female, is poor, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have the right to exercise that right to choose. And so I absolutely would cover the right to have an abortion.
Look the YT up if you like, but the quote will be the same. He supports a male being allowed to have an abortion. That is what a clown car your party has become.
Quote: darkozAZ,
Can you really point to the dem candidates who are fighting for the right of MEN to have abortions?
It was a single candidate who spoke too quickly - Castro in the first debate..
He said "Trans women" when a bunch of different candidates were talking over each other, trying to quickly take a position on an abortion question thrown to the group. He's not that familiar with how the labels work and misspoke. He meant women who identify male but are still physically capable of getting pregnant.
The right is making a big deal of it. There's a surprise (not). Covfefe. Orange. Hamburder. Etc. They have some ground to make up in that department.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt was a single candidate who spoke too quickly - Castro in the first debate..
He said "Trans women" when a bunch of different candidates were talking over each other, trying to quickly take a position on an abortion question thrown to the group. He's not that familiar with how the labels work and misspoke. He meant women who identify male but are still physically capable of getting pregnant.
The right is making a big deal of it. There's a surprise (not). Covfefe. Orange. Hamburder. Etc. They have some ground to make up in that department.
Of course we are making a big deal about it. It is a big deal. Because it shows how a pro-abortion stance is so important to their base that they will say anything to support it. And lets face it, if there are so many "trans" labels that he gets "confused" it shows how crazy that whole position is.
But if the woman really thinks she is a guy but yet somehow was with a guy, she can get that abortion for free if she is an illegal alien, right? I really can't keep track anymore.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know who has put their money where their mouth is as of yet, but people did when it was Hillary VS Trump. And it wasn't chump change, MaxPen cleaned up and made a small fortune.
Did t he also score five touchdowns in a high school game? Glory Days.
Quote: AZDuffmanOf course we are making a big deal about it. It is a big deal. Because it shows how a pro-abortion stance is so important to their base that they will say anything to support it. And lets face it, if there are so many "trans" labels that he gets "confused" it shows how crazy that whole position is.
But if the woman really thinks she is a guy but yet somehow was with a guy, she can get that abortion for free if she is an illegal alien, right? I really can't keep track anymore.
I don't have statistics, but I'd be willing to bet trans MEN get raped at a higher percentage than women overall. They're a huge target for homophobic men.
It's also possible a trans MAN is attracted sexually to men, despite living as one. And becomes pregnant as a result.
It's also possible a trans MAN decides to have a baby before (or even without ever) getting genital reassignment surgery, and the baby is defective or threatens the life of the trans MAN if it's carried to term, making abortion a consideration.
And NO, again, nobody said free medical care for ilegal aliens. "Access to" does not mean free. I wish you'd quit spreading that lie on here. If you're going to try and keep track, you could at least be accurate.
Quote: beachbumbabsI don't have statistics, but I'd be willing to bet trans MEN get raped at a higher percentage than women overall. They're a huge target for homophobic men.
That does note make sense. Why would this be? Now, if you say they are a target for homosexual men, that makes more sense. What you call "homophobic" men are just men who do not want a relationship with someone of their same sex. Such men do not want a woman who used to be a man because she really is a man, just pumped up on hormones and surgically altered. YUCK.
Quote:It's also possible a trans MAN is attracted sexually to men, despite living as one. And becomes pregnant as a result.
I'm confused. You mean a woman is attracted to a man?
Quote:It's also possible a trans MAN decides to have a baby before (or even without ever) getting genital reassignment surgery, and the baby is defective or threatens the life of the trans MAN if it's carried to term, making abortion a consideration.
I'm confused. You mean an actual woman?
See, biologically, you are male or female. One of two genders, that's it. Binary. On/off. 0/1. The rest is liberal gobbleygook.
Quote:And NO, again, nobody said free medical care for ilegal aliens. "Access to" does not mean free. I wish you'd quit spreading that lie on here. If you're going to try and keep track, you could at least be accurate.
Oh, you still believe that? Tell you what, when they all raise their hands saying they will lock illegal aliens out of medicaid and Obamacare subsidies, then maybe I will believe them. Until then, I am believing their actions over their words. Their actions indicate they would give illegal aliens free health care.
Quote: redietzA lot of strong opinions. A lot of blathering by both righties here and the left. But what I don't see on this purported gambling site is anyone with the courage of their convictions. Is anybody stepping up and launching wagers to match their mouths? A lot of bravery sans wallet-opening. Not sure what to call that. Either broke courage or wealthy cowardice.
What odds are you offering?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: Julian CastroYes, it would. I don’t believe only in reproductive freedom. I believe in reproductive justice. And, you know, what that means is that just because a woman — or let’s also not forget someone in the trans community, a trans female, is poor, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have the right to exercise that right to choose. And so I absolutely would cover the right to have an abortion.
Look the YT up if you like, but the quote will be the same. He supports a male being allowed to have an abortion. That is what a clown car your party has become.
He says “woman” and “female”, he doesn’t say “man”, “men”, or “male”.
Quote: TomGQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: Julian CastroYes, it would. I don’t believe only in reproductive freedom. I believe in reproductive justice. And, you know, what that means is that just because a woman — or let’s also not forget someone in the trans community, a trans female, is poor, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have the right to exercise that right to choose. And so I absolutely would cover the right to have an abortion.
Look the YT up if you like, but the quote will be the same. He supports a male being allowed to have an abortion. That is what a clown car your party has become.
He says “woman” and “female”, he doesn’t say “man”, “men”, or “male”.
He says "trans female." That means man who thinks he is a woman.
Anyone with more than a shot glass of common sense would say "woman" and leave it at that as only women can get pregnant.
Quote: billryanIs that where you find your common sense? In the bottom of a shot glass? I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe knowledge by the number of shots they have consumed, but it does make a certain sense.
Uh, you need to read it better. Some of us have a bucket of common sense. We know there are only 2 genders, we know you cannot change your gender, we don't just lap up something because "the scientists said it was so." We understand that you cannot just hand each person $1,000 a month. We know that "free college" just means more people will go take useless degrees. We think for ourselves.
OTOH, some people only have a shotglass of common sense. Just a little bit. They just believe what they are told and do as they are told. They think that abortion regs will mean "back alley abortions" but gun restrictions mean criminals will not get guns. They think that 150 years of accurate temperature data predicts a trend on a 4.5 billion year old planet because they were told so by "scientists."
Just a few examples. Hope this helps clear the point.
Quote: AZDuffmanThat does note make sense. Why would this be? Now, if you say they are a target for homosexual men, that makes more sense. What you call "homophobic" men are just men who do not want a relationship with someone of their same sex. Such men do not want a woman who used to be a man because she really is a man, just pumped up on hormones and surgically altered. YUCK.
I'm confused. You mean a woman is attracted to a man?
I'm confused. You mean an actual woman?
See, biologically, you are male or female. One of two genders, that's it. Binary. On/off. 0/1. The rest is liberal gobbleygook.
Oh, you still believe that? Tell you what, when they all raise their hands saying they will lock illegal aliens out of medicaid and Obamacare subsidies, then maybe I will believe them. Until then, I am believing their actions over their words. Their actions indicate they would give illegal aliens free health care.
Yes, you're definitely confused.
Rape is not about sex. It's about exerting power over another person. It's about expressing rage, bullying, hurting someone who doesn't want you. A perfect description of homophobes.
Couples come in all combinations. Why would a trans MAN necessarily be attracted to a woman? It's not up to you who anyone wants to be with or what their gender identification is. Why do you insist you have ANY say in these things? Mind your own business.
Yes, I know better than to believe the Mango Mussolini about anything. He's a proven liar. In contrast, there's no reason to believe YOU know what those candidates REALLY think; it's just your twisting what they ACTUALLY said, without any proof.
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Quote: beachbumbabsYes, you're definitely confused.
Rape is not about sex. It's about exerting power over another person. It's about expressing rage, bullying, hurting someone who doesn't want you. A perfect description of homophobes.
Actually it sounds more like a description of the gay movement.
Quote:Couples come in all combinations. Why would a trans MAN necessarily be attracted to a woman? It's not up to you who anyone wants to be with or what their gender identification is. Why do you insist you have ANY say in these things? Mind your own business.
It becomes my business when they want to impose their views on me and anyone else who is not down with their lifestyle choices. For the who knows how manyth time, you cannot "identify" your gender. You are born male or female. You cannot change from XX to XY no matter how hard you try.
Quote:Yes, I know better than to believe the Mango Mussolini about anything. He's a proven liar. In contrast, there's no reason to believe YOU know what those candidates REALLY think; it's just your twisting what they ACTUALLY said, without any proof.
I am not "twisting" anything. I am pointing out what they said. As to "proof" just look at history. It is easy to see. BTW: Given what you have said about Trump, you are the last to talk about what a candidate thinks.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt becomes my business when they want to impose their views on me and anyone else who is not down with their lifestyle choices.
I seriously hope your road to VictimHood is paved. I never knew how hard old white men have had it in our country.
Quote: AZDuffman
He says "trans female." That means man who thinks he is a woman.
I am not an expert in this vocabulary. But I am always glad when people insist on strict adherence to whatever definition best fits whatever is Politically Correct. I am also very glad you agree that being unable to follow whatever we decide is the Politically Correct term should be disqualified from being president
Quote: SteverinosI seriously hope your road to VictimHood is paved. I never knew how hard old white men have had it in our country.
Maybe you should learn. White males are the only group that can be attacked and made fun of relentlessly and nobody cares. Look at the primary of your own party? All but say "straight white males need not apply."
Heck, we have a moderator in this group making fun of Trump based on his skin tone. I wonder how she would react if someone did the same to Kamala?
Quote: AZDuffmanIt becomes my business when they want to impose their views on me and anyone else who is not down with their lifestyle choices. For the who knows how manyth time, you cannot "identify" your gender. You are born male or female. You cannot change from XX to XY no matter how hard you try.
Someone with an XX chromosome can a grow a beard, talk in a deep voice, weigh 200 pounds, and say "I am a man". Someone with an XY chromosome can wear makeup and a dress, show off cleavage, and say "I am a woman". I accept you for being such a special snowflake that you think these things are about you. They are not. They are about our freedom, our laws, our constitution
Quote: TomGSomeone with an XX chromosome can a grow a beard, talk in a deep voice, weigh 200 pounds, and say "I am a man". Someone with an XY chromosome can wear makeup and a dress, show off cleavage, and say "I am a woman". I accept you for being such a special snowflake that you think these things are about you. They are not. They are about our freedom, our laws, our constitution
Sorry, no. They are about science. I am not a snowflake, the people who think they are a different gender are the snowflakes.
Quote: ams288Courtesy of The Onion:
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At least one candidate has replied to some of their recent reporting. I may register as a Democrat just to caucus for Hickenlooper because of this one tweet: https://twitter.com/Hickenlooper/status/1148671020796039168
Quote: AZDuffmanSorry, no. They are about science. I am not a snowflake, the people who think they are a different gender are the snowflakes.Quote: TomGSomeone with an XX chromosome can a grow a beard, talk in a deep voice, weigh 200 pounds, and say "I am a man". Someone with an XY chromosome can wear makeup and a dress, show off cleavage, and say "I am a woman". I accept you for being such a special snowflake that you think these things are about you. They are not. They are about our freedom, our laws, our constitution
In all matters of politics, the first person to use the Rubber v Glue defense always wins. Congratulations.
Quote: TomGIn all matters of politics, the first person to use the Rubber v Glue defense always wins. Congratulations.
So, tell us, would you have a sexual relationship with a woman who used to be a man?
Quote: AZDuffmanWhite males are the only group that can be attacked and made fun of relentlessly and nobody cares.
L...M...A...O - you're such a victim, you need a safe space!
"If you're white and you don't admit it's awesome you're an a**hole."
"If I had the chance to re-up every year, I'd be like, sure, I'll take that white thing again."
"I can go back to any time. I can go back to the year 2, I don't even know what was happening then. But I know when I get there there will be a table for two waiting for me."
Quote: AZDuffmanSo, tell us, would you have a sexual relationship with a woman who used to be a man?Quote: TomGIn all matters of politics, the first person to use the Rubber v Glue defense always wins. Congratulations.
From what you said before, that couldn't be possible. Before you were very clear in saying that cannot be done (https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/31688-2020-election/338/#post728664). It seems like this trans stuff leaves you very confused -- being confused about these things happens to a lot of guys
Quote: redietzA lot of strong opinions. A lot of blathering by both righties here and the left. But what I don't see on this purported gambling site is anyone with the courage of their convictions. Is anybody stepping up and launching wagers to match their mouths? A lot of bravery sans wallet-opening. Not sure what to call that. Either broke courage or wealthy cowardice.
I have several 2020 related wagers going on right now with several members of the forum. As we get closer to the election I'll probably have a few more.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo, tell us, would you have a sexual relationship with a woman who used to be a man?
Are you sure you haven’t? Did you conduct a chromosome test on everyone?
Quote: TomGFrom what you said before, that couldn't be possible. Before you were very clear in saying that cannot be done (https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/31688-2020-election/338/#post728664). It seems like this trans stuff leaves you very confused -- being confused about these things happens to a lot of guys
In other words, you are afraid to answer. Just as usually happens when I ask a trans-rights supporter. Heck, one posted a link to a pornographic site instead of answering.
Quote: rxwineAre you sure you haven’t? Did you conduct a chromosome test on everyone?
Positive I have not. Then again I do not pick up strangers in bad bars, so that cuts the chances way down.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo, tell us, would you have a sexual relationship with a woman who used to be a man?
I have stated without any problems whatsoever that I have indeed had relationships with transgender in the past.
Now what is your problem with that? I am free to enjoy my sexual life any way I wish.
Its been over a decade since I had such a relationship. I just havent pursued it. But its not really a big deal (cue the "big" jokes I suppose)
Quote: darkozI have stated without any problems whatsoever that I have indeed had relationships with transgender in the past.
Now what is your problem with that? I am free to enjoy my sexual life any way I wish.
Its been over a decade since I had such a relationship. I just havent pursued it. But its not really a big deal (cue the "big" jokes I suppose)
The "big deal" is not with you having such a relationship but rather with those who scream about trans people being "normal" but when it comes down to it they will not back that up. As for me, I say "HELL NO, NEVER." But I do not then say how there is nothing wrong with a woman who "used to be a man."
To me it is the same as a homosexual relationship with a man, but that is my standard. Your mileage may differ.
Quote: AZDuffmanIn other words, you are afraid to answer. Just as usually happens when I ask a trans-rights supporter. Heck, one posted a link to a pornographic site instead of answering.
My answer was very clear: it is an impossibility, according to your expertise on transgender.
I do not study the issues around transgender nearly as much as you do. When it comes to this issue, you are definitely going both ways -- first saying "You cannot change from XX to XY" then being curious about what several different guys would do if they ever did find someone like that.
Quote: TomGMy answer was very clear: it is an impossibility, according to your expertise on transgender.
I do not study the issues around transgender nearly as much as you do. When it comes to this issue, you are definitely going both ways -- first saying "You cannot change from XX to XY" then being curious about what several different guys would do if they ever did find someone like that.
Oh, it is clear. You would not. We know where you really stand.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe "big deal" is not with you having such a relationship but rather with those who scream about trans people being "normal" but when it comes down to it they will not back that up. As for me, I say "HELL NO, NEVER." But I do not then say how there is nothing wrong with a woman who "used to be a man."
To me it is the same as a homosexual relationship with a man, but that is my standard. Your mileage may differ.
Well I agree its a fine line.
Homosexual relationship yes but with the caveat that my attraction is their simulation of femininity.
To put it another way, I have no attraction and am pretty disgusted with "men"
I have the same disgust for a natural woman who looks male. That doesn't attract me yet if I went out with one I would not be having a homosexual relationship.
It confuses many people but dont think for a second I am the one confused. To me its like choosing between redheads and blondes. Sometimes you like one, sometimes the other
Quote: darkozWell I agree its a fine line.
Homosexual relationship yes but with the caveat that my attraction is their simulation of femininity.
To put it another way, I have no attraction and am pretty disgusted with "men"
I have the same disgust for a natural woman who looks male. That doesn't attract me yet if I went out with one I would not be having a homosexual relationship.
I will agree there. I don't get the muscle-woman thing, and I do not care for tattoos.
Quote:It confuses many people but dont think for a second I am the one confused. To me its like choosing between redheads and blondes. Sometimes you like one, sometimes the other
That is what I said a few months back about exclusion based on race, yet people went ape when I said it.
Hey, I give credit where due. You said you would and it was not even you who was asked.
He just complained.
But it has been entertaining watching Duffman get consistently pwned all day.
Quote: rxwineI once linked a porno site so Duffman could see proof that men have sex with transgender women.
He just complained.
Yes, because I asked if YOU would. I did not ask for a link to a porno site. Which I would have thought would be against forum rules. But I guess while all animals are equal, some are more equal than others.
