2020 Election
Quote: AZDuffmanBigger question is what are the haters so afraid of in having the question on the census again?
I'm not sure how I can make this simpler.
The entire point of the census is to accurately count the number of people in the country and in a particular zip code on a specific date.
Anything that might lead to an inaccurate count can't be permitted. There is no argument that having that question would cause people to avoid it.
Quote: rxwineWell, it does take about 30 Democrats to equal all of Trump's various transgressions.
Maybe so. When talking about his PERSONAL transgressions. But the proposed POLICY transgressions of the loony left FAR outweigh Trump's by that 30-1 ratio you mention. I am embarrassed we have a President that acts childish. But I'd be less happy with a President that wants to start a UBI, erase loans, give free college education to all, free health insurance to all, pay reparations for events centuries ago, establish a 70% tax on top earners, attack uniquely American success stories like pharma, energy, and tech, wave a wand and make illegals legal, etc....
So sadly, we are stuck with the wacko liberal Democrat agenda, or the wacko President we have now.
Quote: billryanI'm not sure how I can make this simpler.
The entire point of the census is to accurately count the number of people in the country and in a particular zip code on a specific date.
Anything that might lead to an inaccurate count can't be permitted. There is no argument that having that question would cause people to avoid it.
Is that true? I thought it was to count the number of citizens? And those who live there, not just there on a certain date? If im overseas a certain date don't I still get counted? More corollaries but got to go!
Quote: AZDuffman
Btw, If someone is stealing by taxing, by what right do they have to force you to answer questions? (census). Or for some reason do they have some right to make you answer questions? What right would that be to force you to answer questions?
Quote: rxwineBtw, If someone is stealing by taxing, by what right do they have to force you to answer questions? (census). Or for some reason do they have some right to make you answer questions? What right would that be to force you to answer questions?
The census is a constitutional requirement.
Quote: rxwineAnd If Trump had done nothing wrong why didn't he testify under oath directly like Bill Clinton did? That all innocent people will be convicted under oath is simply not a true answer either. Because plenty of people testify under oath and aren't convicted of anything.
For the same reason you never let a cop search your car just because he wants to. For the same reason if the cops bring you in the only word you should say is "LAWYER."
There was no evidence Trump did anything wrong.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm a little annoyed Trump Just came out against crypto currency. I certainly hope all the Trump haters run to buy Crypro just to spite him.
Hard pass.
I'm surprised more attention isn't being paid to which Office is bringing the new charges against Epstein. The Office of Public Corruption doesn't go after private citizens like Epstein, they go after corrupt government employees. I suspect a few more shoes are going to drop.
Quote: SOOPOOIs that true? I thought it was to count the number of citizens? And those who live there, not just there on a certain date? If im overseas a certain date don't I still get counted? More corollaries but got to go!
Yes, it’s to get an accurate body count. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.
I work in Civil Engineering and census data used for a variety of things, like simulating emergency evacuations.
It’s extremely irresponsible to politicize the census like Trump has done.
Quote: gamerfreakYes, it’s to get an accurate body count. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.
I work in Civil Engineering and census data used for a variety of things, like simulating emergency evacuations.
It’s extremely irresponsible to politicize the census like Trump has done.
Wow. I truly thought it was to figure out how many congressional seats/electoral votes a given State would get! I Mean, if they do a census count like you say in Niagara Falls Ny in January you get 30,000. In July 100,000. I have to think you are wrong. What about a farming area that has a harvest in August? Double population compared to winter.
Quote: billryanAcosta gone.
I'm surprised more attention isn't being paid to which Office is bringing the new charges against Epstein. The Office of Public Corruption doesn't go after private citizens like Epstein, they go after corrupt government employees. I suspect a few more shoes are going to drop.
I expect the left to complain that top Latino appointee no longer employed because of racist Trump!
Odds on WJC or DJT being implicated in actual 'use' of one of the girls? WJC 10%. DJT 2%?
Quote: SOOPOOOdds on WJC or DJT being implicated in actual 'use' of one of the girls? WJC 10%. DJT 2%?
Could you be more specific as to what qualifies as "implicated"?
Odds on either of them ever facing jail time over any of this: 0%.
Quote: ams288Could you be more specific as to what qualifies as "implicated"?
Odds on either of them ever facing jail time over any of this: 0%.
DJT "implicated" = 100%. Charges/lawsuit filed around 2015. Hushed up so far. She was either 13 or 14.
Quote: SOOPOOWow. I truly thought it was to figure out how many congressional seats/electoral votes a given State would get! I Mean, if they do a census count like you say in Niagara Falls Ny in January you get 30,000. In July 100,000. I have to think you are wrong. What about a farming area that has a harvest in August? Double population compared to winter.
From article 1 section 2:
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Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed...
(I excluded the whole 3/5 compromise part)
It has always been interpreted to mean all residents without regard to citizenship.
Quote: MaxPenThey can always pull an Alan Dershowitz. Apparently he's claiming to have received a massage by an old Russian lady (what's old in this case? 20?) and he left his underwear on.....lol..... I predict Epstein winds up dead soon.
I'm getting a strong impression he's actually funded through extortionist tactics for decades now. His financial mentor, who went to jail for 20 years over his scams, says Epstein has followed the same path all along. Only solid reporting I'm seeing on it is an old article from Vanity Fair. But I would think more to come.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm getting a strong impression he's actually funded through extortionist tactics for decades now. His financial mentor, who went to jail for 20 years over his scams, says Epstein has followed the same path all along. Only solid reporting I'm seeing on it is an old article from Vanity Fair. But I would think more to come.
I don't believe it was extortion as much as the price they were willing to pay to get on his island. His hedge fund has always been widely regarded as an inside joke.
Quote: SOOPOOWow. I truly thought it was to figure out how many congressional seats/electoral votes a given State would get! I Mean, if they do a census count like you say in Niagara Falls Ny in January you get 30,000. In July 100,000. I have to think you are wrong. What about a farming area that has a harvest in August? Double population compared to winter.
Honestly I am not sure how it all works, beyond the fact that data from the census bureau is used for bunch of stuff beyond dividing up Congressional seats.
I do know that the census bureau conducts monthly surveys beyond the 10 year full census to maintain more accurate numbers.
Quote: SOOPOOWow. I truly thought it was to figure out how many congressional seats/electoral votes a given State would get! I Mean, if they do a census count like you say in Niagara Falls Ny in January you get 30,000. In July 100,000. I have to think you are wrong. What about a farming area that has a harvest in August? Double population compared to winter.
Census is used for all sorts of things.
Water allocations, emergency planning, education planning. That's why undercounts can be dangerous. If a massive storm is approaching an area and evacuation is needed, what is more important? Having an accurate number of souls in need or number of citizens? If a school has 100 students, what difference does it make how many are citizens? Or where there parents come from?
The government already knows how many citizens are in the country. What we need is an accurate count. If getting an accurate count is important, they should be doing everything possible to get undocumented to participate.
Maybe random prizes should be given out.
Fill it out completely and compete for great prizes.
Quote: beachbumbabsDJT "implicated" = 100%. Charges/lawsuit filed around 2015. Hushed up so far. She was either 13 or 14.
Here you are again throwing out allegations without any sources.
Do you think the Killary campaign oppo research gestapo wouldn't have found out about something like this and used it as an October surprise?
What is your source?
If you are in a hotel on Census Day, they will ask about your usual house and be asked if you already filled out your form for your home address. Students sleeping in dorms will be examined ,to see if they should be counted as living elsewhere.
Where it gets thorny is prisons. Where does someone who is incarcerated get counted? Tens of thousands of NYC residents are incarcerated upstate. How to count them is very sticky. Say a town of 5,000 is home to a Max Security prison with 3,000 men in it. Count the men as being residents of the town and you have a town of 8,000 with almost half the population living on less than poverty level. It looks like that town has an economic problem, but the reality is the opposite. It has the prison as an economic base as correction officers make above average wages.
Luckily, the Census Department has had 240 years to work these little bugs out.
Just a reminder- The Census is currently hiring PT workers making preparations for next year. Early birds get the best jobs.
Quote: wellwellwellHere you are again throwing out allegations without any sources.
Do you think the Killary campaign oppo research gestapo wouldn't have found out about something like this and used it as an October surprise?
What is your source?
There are numerous media accounts of this. The case was filed but last I heard the victim dropped the suit.
Quote: billryanThere are numerous media accounts of this. The case was filed but last I heard the victim dropped the suit.
So Babs says it is "hushed up so far" and you say there are numerous media reports. Which is it? Who are the media sources you claim have reported on this ?
Quote: billryanGoogle wants to be your friend. Any combination of Trump/Epstein lawsuit should do.
Yes, I did a quick look see. Lisa Bloom, daughter of that Democratic flame throwing lawyer Gloria Allred, filed a lawsuit right before the election. Of course she immediately withdrew the suit when no one even remotely took it serious. Nice try guys and gals.
Quote: wellwellwellYes, I did a quick look see. Lisa Bloom, daughter of that Democratic flame throwing lawyer Gloria Allred, filed a lawsuit right before the election. Of course she immediately withdrew the suit when no one even remotely took it serious. Nice try guys and gals.
You're the one kidding yourself if you think everything on this is public. Yet. It's out there, and it met the specified question I was answering.
You either disregard or underestimate the power of various people who have some kind of stake in this. That girl could have been paid off, threatened, held in reserve for the right time, any number of pressure-points pushed to shut her up. Also, there are very probably more girls. Remains to be seen what they find or have found, and what they will allow to be publicly known.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/12/us/jeffery-epstein-witness-intimidation/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fapple.news%2FAwmcc6mjFTn6kz3eYr_dgQA%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2EPguuQKJjf7q2TFjz-mVa8RMkCfq4vYhrQHkk0ZPGGRo2iwVFq8xUO8c
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're the one kidding yourself if you think everything on this is public. Yet. It's out there, and it met the specified question I was answering.
You either disregard or underestimate the power of various people who have some kind of stake in this. That girl could have been paid off, threatened, held in reserve for the right time, any number of pressure-points pushed to shut her up. Also, there are very probably more girls. Remains to be seen what they find or have found, and what they will allow to be publicly known.
That "girl" is now at least 35 years old. Not a "girl" anymore. The supposed act occurred in 1994...22 years ago.
And no, I don't underestimate what various people could want covered up. If Hillary thought she could have put a nail in the Trump campaign coffin she would have used it.
She didn't.
And yes I am sure there are many more girls that were involved in the sordid Epstein affair. I'm guessing someone that has sat in the Oval Office will be implicated. But it won't be President Trump.
Quote: wellwellwellThat "girl" is now at least 35 years old. Not a "girl" anymore. The supposed act occurred in 1994...22 years ago.
And no, I don't underestimate what various people could want covered up. If Hillary thought she could have put a nail in the Trump campaign coffin she would have used it.
She didn't.
And yes I am sure there are many more girls that were involved in the sordid Epstein affair. I'm guessing someone that has sat in the Oval Office will be implicated. But it won't be President Trump.
Why are you so sure? Is it Trumps record of monogamy? Are you saying he doesn't like young woman? Trumps association with JE has been public for about as long as Epstein was making the gossip columns. some very strange bedfellows there. I have no idea if Clinton is any more involved than Trump in all of this. How is it you are so certain Trump did nothing wrong.
Quote: MaxPenTrump stated this morning he has never been to Epstein's island. Can Bill Clinton say the same?
Well if Trump says something, it MUST be true!
He never lies about anything. He was completely open and honest about all his affairs and the 130k hush payment to Stormy. /sarcasm
Quote: MaxPenTrump stated this morning he has never been to Epstein's island. Can Bill Clinton say the same?
Of course he can. Can either of them say it honestly though?
Quote:In a letter to Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Mnuchin wrote that the US might default on its obligations as soon as early September, before Congress returns from its summer recess.
"Based on updated projections, there is a scenario in which we run of out cash in early September, before Congress reconvenes," Mnuchin wrote in a letter.
The federal government has not been able to borrow money since March, when congressionally-mandated borrowing limits went
into force. The US Treasury, which is facing a growing deficit thanks in part to President Donald Trump's 2017 tax cuts, had said it had enough cash to last until the fall.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/12/politics/mnuchin-congress-letter-debt-crisis/index.html
People come and go in this administration so fast someone needs to get a stopwatch and see if any track records are being broken..
Quote: billryanWhy are you so sure? Is it Trumps record of monogamy? Are you saying he doesn't like young woman? Trumps association with JE has been public for about as long as Epstein was making the gossip columns. some very strange bedfellows there. I have no idea if Clinton is any more involved than Trump in all of this. How is it you are so certain Trump did nothing wrong.
Very simple and i have already stated it before.
If there was any truth to these allegations the Clinton's and their pals in the media right before the election would have plastered it all over every telecast, every website, and every print outlet there are. Probably would have taken out billboards also and flown banners behind Cessnas over weekend football games.
They didn't. No one fights dirtier than the Clintons. They would have if they could have.
Quote: wellwellwellVery simple and i have already stated it before.
If there was any truth to these allegations the Clinton's and their pals in the media right before the election would have plastered it all over every telecast, every website, and every print outlet there are. Probably would have taken out billboards also and flown banners behind Cessnas over weekend football games.
They didn't. No one fights dirtier than the Clintons. They would have if they could have.
They even tried paying for a phony Russian pee dossier....lol
Quote: MaxPenThey even tried paying for a phony Russian pee dossier....lol
Which wasn't published until the January after Hillary's loss. What a dirty trick played by those Clintons!
Quote: wellwellwellVery simple and i have already stated it before.
If there was any truth to these allegations the Clinton's and their pals in the media right before the election would have plastered it all over every telecast, every website, and every print outlet there are. Probably would have taken out billboards also and flown banners behind Cessnas over weekend football games.
They didn't. No one fights dirtier than the Clintons. They would have if they could have.
Who cares. Conservatives still would've voted for him. That's how far they've debased themselves for the man. He owns em.
Quote: gamerfreakYes, it’s to get an accurate body count. Citizenship has nothing to do with it.
I work in Civil Engineering and census data used for a variety of things, like simulating emergency evacuations.
It’s extremely irresponsible to politicize the census like Trump has done.
Were you as upset when Obama removed the citizenship question? Were you as upset when Clinton wanted to use “sampling” to inflate the count of minorities?
Quote: AZDuffmanWere you as upset when Obama removed the citizenship question? Were you as upset when Clinton wanted to use “sampling” to inflate the count of minorities?
Obama did not remove the citizenship question.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe census is a constitutional requirement.
Yeah, so, you only follow the parts of the Constitution you like and dismiss the rest?
Quote: SteverinosObama did not remove the citizenship question.
Why introduce facts into this?
Quote: SteverinosObama did not remove the citizenship question.
Yes, he did. Was removed under him in 2010. It was asked in 2000:
Sorry to ruin your day with facts.
Quote: rxwineYeah, so, you only follow the parts of the Constitution you like and dismiss the rest?
No, that would be our government. I follow it, even when I disagree. I wish the left would not dismiss what they do not like.
Quote: AZDuffmanYes, he did. Was removed under him in 2010. It was asked in 2000:
Sorry to ruin your day with facts.
No, he didn't. The questions were finalized in 2008 before Obama was elected.
LOL @ the gatewaypundit. I have no idea what your little .jpg is supposed to prove, lol. But for reference, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-gateway-pundit/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/us/politics/census-citizenship-obama.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/12/no-obama-didnt-remove-citizenship-question-census/
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512/fact-check-has-citizenship-been-a-standard-census-question
https://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2019/apr/04/mark-meadows/meadows-wrongly-claims-obama-removed-census-citize/
Quote: MaxPenTrump stated this morning he has never been to Epstein's island. Can Bill Clinton say the same?
Who? Bill Clinton? You mean that guy that hasn't been politically relevant in almost 20 years and nobody cares about anymore? What does a washed-up politician have to do with Donald Trump being an admitted sexual assaulter and possible rapist and pedophile?
Quote: AZDuffmanWere you as upset when Obama removed the citizenship question? Were you as upset when Clinton wanted to use “sampling” to inflate the count of minorities?
Looks like the Obama thing is fake news, and I was too young to know or care, but if that really happened with Clinton then yes I would be upset.
I am registered independent and so not consider myself a conservative or a liberal. My opinions of people and their actions do not change depending on whether or not they have a D or R next to their name. Every time I have voted it has been a combination of Democrats and Republicans.
As much as I dislike Trump as POTUS, there are nice things I could say about him.
As much as I liked Obama as POTUS, there are certainly things I could criticize him on.
This is not a zero sum game. I think identity politics are toxic garbage.
