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October 17th, 2018 at 9:53:55 AM permalink
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Nonsense, as usual. See above.



I actually instead looked below. Your positions are more consistent with the Democrat Party than the GOP. The GOP did not leave you because you were never in line with it now or in the 1970s.

We have discussed this many times. Defense of higher taxes alone proves my point.
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October 17th, 2018 at 9:54:38 AM permalink
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Trump is going to Texas to do a rally. Is he doing it in any of the dozen large pro or college football stadiums nearby?
Nope. It's being held in an 8500 seat arena.



And?
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October 17th, 2018 at 9:56:34 AM permalink
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Republicans, historically, enacted and enforced reasonable regulations on industry and commerce. That changed dramatically when Reagan came into office in 1980, and was part of the trickle-down theory of economics his administration advocated.

It took some decades to deregulate the airlines, trucking industry, banks, and others, with mostly disastrous results, including three recessions (1987, 2000, 2007) that can be traced directly back to irresponsible deregulation. It continues to be advocated by Republicans in one form or another because of the apparently irresistible call of the money the few can make by doing it.

They don't care that they're destroying the foundation of this country as long as they can live in the penthouse, apparently. They figure they'll be dead before it crumbles or something.



In another thread you argued for the deregulation of Florida casinos because it would increase competition and thus value for the customer. I thought that was great! Which babs is this?
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October 17th, 2018 at 9:59:45 AM permalink
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And?



I think this is a shot at Trump's claim he would fill the largest stadium in Texas at a Cruz rally. There are nearby stadiums that seat 60,000-80,000 people. They booked a relatively small venue.
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October 17th, 2018 at 10:05:39 AM permalink
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I think this is a shot at Trump's claim he would fill the largest stadium in Texas at a Cruz rally. There are nearby stadiums that seat 60,000-80,000 people. They booked a relatively small venue.



Trump will still claim that 20,000 were in attendance and an additional 5,000 couldn’t get in.

And certain members here will happily repeat that lie.
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October 17th, 2018 at 10:06:46 AM permalink
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Republicans, historically, enacted and enforced reasonable regulations on industry and commerce. That changed dramatically when Reagan came into office in 1980, and was part of the trickle-down theory of economics his administration advocated.



This is where I think you are wrong Babs. I am not calling you a liar, but it doesn't jib with my understanding of the history of the parties. I will do some research and get back to you on this. I know you are waiting with bated breath ;)
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October 17th, 2018 at 10:10:29 AM permalink
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In another thread you argued for the deregulation of Florida casinos because it would increase competition and thus value for the customer. I thought that was great! Which babs is this?



There's a difference between regulation of essential services and free enterprise in non-essential industry, at least to me. RESPONSIBLE regulation and subsidies are necessary in some industries, like air travel and trucking, in order to provide service throughout the country at affordable rates. Let those industries compete within a framework that ensures there will be some service to rural areas, their groceries will not bankrupt them.

Gambling, non-food shopping, cars, let the market shake it out with competition. Banks, structure again, because people need to be protected from predatory practices like financing houses as exorbitant rates or beyond equity, use of their savings and deposits to fund junk speculation or derivatives that have no intrinsic value.

Utilities, again, need some regulation, both because they use government property with little or no cost, and because most are monopolies by jurisdiction.

There's no one-size-fits-all answer. It has to be done with some sense of the larger picture.
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October 17th, 2018 at 10:13:29 AM permalink
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Utilities, again, need some regulation, both because they use government property with little or no cost, and because most are monopolies by jurisdiction.



So as government grows regulation also grows, competition decreases and that means less value for the customer?

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October 17th, 2018 at 10:23:21 AM permalink
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This is where I think you are wrong Babs. I am not calling you a liar, but it doesn't jib with my understanding of the history of the parties. I will do some research and get back to you on this. I know you are waiting with bated breath ;)



Yeah, gotta stop having fish for lunch. :D

For one example, Glass-Steagall, which passed in 1933, separating banking and investment services, was introduced by a Democratic Senator and Congressman. However, it passed the House 262-19, and the Senate by floor acclimation. More than a few Republicans there. It was a strong and drastic response to irresponsible and unregulated banking practices that caused the Great Depression.

It was repealed in 1998, after working for all those years. Took less than 10 years to cause the housing crisis and the 2007-2008 recession, where again the crash of our economy traces directly back to bad banking and investment policies. Biggest recession since 1930s, no controls on basic monetary policy. Big surprise, not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Banking_Act
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October 17th, 2018 at 10:23:37 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

There's a difference between regulation of essential services and free enterprise in non-essential industry, at least to me. RESPONSIBLE regulation and subsidies are necessary in some industries, like air travel and trucking, in order to provide service throughout the country at affordable rates. Let those industries compete within a framework that ensures there will be some service to rural areas, their groceries will not bankrupt them.

Gambling, non-food shopping, cars, let the market shake it out with competition. Banks, structure again, because people need to be protected from predatory practices like financing houses as exorbitant rates or beyond equity, use of their savings and deposits to fund junk speculation or derivatives that have no intrinsic value.

Utilities, again, need some regulation, both because they use government property with little or no cost, and because most are monopolies by jurisdiction.

There's no one-size-fits-all answer. It has to be done with some sense of the larger picture.



Where I come from aviation and trucking have loads of regulations.

Price is no longer regulated, a good thing. If you are claiming regulating prices is “reasonable” then you are making my point about claimed political leanings.
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