Miscellaneous Discussion Thread
December 31st, 2022 at 5:23:25 PM
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Gambling and casinos are a net negative for everyone but the casinos and Advantage Players.Quote: TigerWuQuote: lilredrooster__yeah, sure
let's all pretend that the tremendous expansion of gambling since A.C. opened up in the 70s and online gambling and now online sports betting is a tremendous thing that has deeply enriched our society
we're all so much better off because of it
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Who here is arguing that the expansion of gambling has "deeply enriched our society?"
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When I started Gambling as a professional it allowed me 5-10times my salary +comps without a boss or schedule, and the freedom to choose. That was very utopian for me. It was like going on a treasure hunt daily where you always found some treasure. There was some compilation and rivalry as well. It was as if you got to play your favorite sport for a living without a coach or having to go to practice.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 1st, 2023 at 12:49:21 AM
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Quote: DRich
I probably spent 100 a hours a month in the casinos for 30 years. I am not very good at math either but I think that is close to 36,000 hours.
And the best part is I was paid millions of dollars for it
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I'll bet the pit bosses are absolutely thrilled when they see you walk thru the door
you prolly get invited to Thanksgiving Dinner at one of their houses every year
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January 1st, 2023 at 5:43:12 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster
I'll bet the pit bosses are absolutely thrilled when they see you walk thru the door
you prolly get invited to Thanksgiving Dinner at one of their houses every year
I got along with many of the pit bosses but I doubt any are terribly happy to see me. Generally when they see me they know they are in trouble or something is wrong. Many times I am telling them that they need to go to additional training classes. Nobody enjoys sitting through my Title 31 and BSA training classes.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 1st, 2023 at 7:14:18 AM
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Who doesn't enjoy sitting thru their umpteenth AML class? I find them humourous, considering if it wasn't for ML, Vegas wouldn't have been invented.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
January 1st, 2023 at 7:24:47 AM
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Quote: billryanWho doesn't enjoy sitting thru their umpteenth AML class? I find them humourous, considering if it wasn't for ML, Vegas wouldn't have been invented.
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When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 1st, 2023 at 9:52:28 AM
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for 6 years I counted down BJ one day every week for about 14 hours straight - breaking only to throw down some chow
the 7th year came around - I headed to the casinos -
when I got there I felt like I was gonna puke -
I couldn't stand casinos anymore -
I didn't care about making money there anymore -
I had to get out
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for 6 years I counted down BJ one day every week for about 14 hours straight - breaking only to throw down some chow
the 7th year came around - I headed to the casinos -
when I got there I felt like I was gonna puke -
I couldn't stand casinos anymore -
I didn't care about making money there anymore -
I had to get out
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January 1st, 2023 at 10:20:10 AM
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Quote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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I wonder about Axel - he spends a ton of time in casinos too - how do pit bosses react to him_________?
I wonder if he also operates as a Professor of Finance
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January 1st, 2023 at 10:48:59 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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I wonder about Axel - he spends a ton of time in casinos too - how do pit bosses react to him_________?
I wonder if he also operates as a Professor of Finance
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I assumed he has “employees” doing some of the grind. Or slaves.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
January 1st, 2023 at 11:15:16 AM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: lilredroosterQuote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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I wonder about Axel - he spends a ton of time in casinos too - how do pit bosses react to him_________?
I wonder if he also operates as a Professor of Finance
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I assumed he has “employees” doing some of the grind. Or slaves.
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Minions.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
January 1st, 2023 at 11:30:11 AM
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I started Advantage play in my early 20's and have Been doing this ever since. For the most part, I stopped messaging with table games in 2003 unless there was a juicy situation. So, I'm rarely dealing with pit bosses.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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I wonder about Axel - he spends a ton of time in casinos too - how do pit bosses react to him_________?
I wonder if he also operates as a Professor of Finance
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I don't spend anywhere near the same amount of time in the casinos that I used to. I'm just not as motivated and hungry nowadays. I bet Nathan/Karen spends more time in the casinos than me.
It has nothing to do with not liking the casinos or playing. It has more to do with me enjoying spending time with my wife and friends, relaxing at home, and enjoying hobbies. I do play online, but even then, I oftentimes get sidetracked or just don't feel like it. # I'd rather be fishing____,_____,_____.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 1st, 2023 at 12:08:56 PM
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Quote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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how much do casinos pay you to educate their employees___________?
they've got a ton of money - it's gotta be at least a couple a hunnert an hour - right_______?
they pay you cash or check_____________?
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January 1st, 2023 at 12:44:44 PM
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how much do casinos pay you to educate their employees___________?
they've got a ton of money - it's gotta be at least a couple a hunnert an hour - right_______?
they pay you cash or check_____________?
Never paid me enough in my opinion.
I have no idea what a hunnert is.
In 30 years it was always by check except for once when I worked a short term contract for a few months. On that one occasion I hadn't been paid anything for about three months. When I told them that I hadn't been paid yet I was told to go down to the vault and get what I was owed and to leave a receipt in the vault. On that day my wife was shocked when I got home and she saw bundled bricks of $100 bills sitting on the counter. She asked where it came from and I told her that I paid myself that day.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 1st, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: lilredrooster
how much do casinos pay you to educate their employees___________?
they've got a ton of money - it's gotta be at least a couple a hunnert an hour - right_______?
they pay you cash or check_____________?
Never paid me enough in my opinion.
I have no idea what a hunnert is.
In 30 years it was always by check except for once when I worked a short term contract for a few months. On that one occasion I hadn't been paid anything for about three months. When I told them that I hadn't been paid yet I was told to go down to the vault and get what I was owed and to leave a receipt in the vault. On that day my wife was shocked when I got home and she saw bundled bricks of $100 bills sitting on the counter. She asked where it came from and I told her that I paid myself that day.
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Was there enough in the vault to make it worth and Ocean's Eleven type operation?
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January 1st, 2023 at 2:24:20 PM
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Was there enough in the vault to make it worth and Ocean's Eleven type operation?
Not even enough for me alone to attempt such a feat. Honestly, I have no idea how much cash was in there but I would assume less than $5 million.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 1st, 2023 at 2:40:07 PM
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I was offered a job at the Hard Rock Casino when the first opened to help run gaming promotions, tournaments, and special events. I don't even know what they were offering, I declined the offer. I didn't even really have any experience doing that, I was like 22 or something.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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how much do casinos pay you to educate their employees___________?
they've got a ton of money - it's gotta be at least a couple a hunnert an hour - right_______?
they pay you cash or check_____________?
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I ran a few small pool tournaments for the casino manager at Pioneer. I coordinated, advertised with flyers, did the artwork, etc. He told me it was bringing in people and they were spending money. He wanted to pay me something, it wasn't much, perhaps a few hundred, but I declined. Soon after he ended up getting a fancy position at the Hard Rock and he offered that Job in marketing or whatever you call it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 1st, 2023 at 8:46:13 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DRich
When I started teaching them they were very long and detailed. Once I realized my audience was just typical casino employee's like dealers and cocktail waitresses I shortened it to about 40 minutes with an open book multiple choice test. 99% passed on the first try.
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how much do casinos pay you to educate their employees___________?
they've got a ton of money - it's gotta be at least a couple a hunnert an hour - right_______?
they pay you cash or check_____________?
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You have a lot is misplaced sarcasm in this thread towards DRich, IMO. He’s been open in the past about his work. It’s all in his posts on this site. I think you started with a misunderstanding of what he does and why he has spent so many hours in a casino, and now you can’t find an elegant way to back off it. IMO.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
January 2nd, 2023 at 6:50:03 AM
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I am absolutely astounded with this openai and can't stop playing with it. I asked it for a poem about the Wizard and this is what I got.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 2nd, 2023 at 8:37:33 AM
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Quote: DRichI am absolutely astounded with this openai and can't stop playing with it. I asked it for a poem about the Wizard and this is what I got.
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Can you get one about me? About EvenBob? Etc…
January 2nd, 2023 at 8:41:48 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichI am absolutely astounded with this openai and can't stop playing with it. I asked it for a poem about the Wizard and this is what I got.
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Can you get one about me? About EvenBob? Etc…
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Once upon a time, in the bustling city of Buffalo, New York, there lived a man named Soopoo. Soopoo was an anesthesiologist by profession, but in his free time, he was an avid golfer.
Every winter, when the snow and cold became too much to bear, Soopoo would pack up his clubs and head down to Florida for a few weeks of golfing in the warm sunshine.
One year, Soopoo decided to try out a new course in the small town of Boca Raton. As he was getting ready to tee off on the first hole, he noticed a commotion on the green.
Upon closer inspection, he saw that a large alligator had wandered onto the course and was causing quite a stir among the other golfers.
Soopoo, being the brave man that he was, decided to take matters into his own hands. He approached the alligator, taking care to keep a safe distance, and attempted to shoo it off the course.
To his surprise, the alligator seemed to understand and began to slowly make its way back into the nearby pond. The other golfers cheered and thanked Soopoo for his quick thinking.
Feeling proud of himself, Soopoo finished his round with a new sense of confidence. From then on, he became known as the alligator wrangler of the Boca Raton Golf Course.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 2nd, 2023 at 9:08:09 AM
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Evenbob was a grumpy old man who lived in a small house on the outskirts of Grand Rapids. He had moved to Michigan from California many years ago, but he still missed the sunny beaches and the laid-back lifestyle of the west coast.
In California, Evenbob had owned a popular bar in San Francisco and a successful taxi service in Los Angeles. He had made a lot of money and had a good life, but something had always been missing. Eventually, he decided to sell his businesses and move to Grand Rapids to be closer to his wife, who had family in the area.
Evenbob's wife had never really liked the bar and taxi business, and she was happy to be away from the hustle and bustle of the city. She had always dreamed of living in a quiet, rural community, and Grand Rapids seemed like the perfect place.
Evenbob, on the other hand, struggled to adjust to life in the small town. He missed the excitement of the city and the sense of purpose that he had felt when he was running his own businesses. He became increasingly isolated and bitter, spending most of his days watching television and complaining about everything.
His wife tried to cheer him up and encourage him to get involved in the community, but Evenbob just couldn't seem to shake his grumpiness. He was unhappy in his new life and couldn't understand why his wife was so content with their simple existence.
One day, something snapped inside of Evenbob. He couldn't take it anymore. He packed up his bags and left his wife, determined to go back to California and start a new life. As he drove westward across the country, he began to feel a sense of excitement and purpose that he hadn't felt in years.
When he arrived in California, Evenbob found that the bar and taxi business was still thriving. He decided to buy them back and start anew, determined to make the most of the second chance he had been given.
And so, Evenbob the crumdgeon became a successful businessman once again, living the life he had always dreamed of and enjoying every moment of it. He was happy and fulfilled, and his wife was happy for him, even though they lived in separate houses. They both knew that they had found their true calling in life, and they were grateful for the opportunity to pursue it.
In California, Evenbob had owned a popular bar in San Francisco and a successful taxi service in Los Angeles. He had made a lot of money and had a good life, but something had always been missing. Eventually, he decided to sell his businesses and move to Grand Rapids to be closer to his wife, who had family in the area.
Evenbob's wife had never really liked the bar and taxi business, and she was happy to be away from the hustle and bustle of the city. She had always dreamed of living in a quiet, rural community, and Grand Rapids seemed like the perfect place.
Evenbob, on the other hand, struggled to adjust to life in the small town. He missed the excitement of the city and the sense of purpose that he had felt when he was running his own businesses. He became increasingly isolated and bitter, spending most of his days watching television and complaining about everything.
His wife tried to cheer him up and encourage him to get involved in the community, but Evenbob just couldn't seem to shake his grumpiness. He was unhappy in his new life and couldn't understand why his wife was so content with their simple existence.
One day, something snapped inside of Evenbob. He couldn't take it anymore. He packed up his bags and left his wife, determined to go back to California and start a new life. As he drove westward across the country, he began to feel a sense of excitement and purpose that he hadn't felt in years.
When he arrived in California, Evenbob found that the bar and taxi business was still thriving. He decided to buy them back and start anew, determined to make the most of the second chance he had been given.
And so, Evenbob the crumdgeon became a successful businessman once again, living the life he had always dreamed of and enjoying every moment of it. He was happy and fulfilled, and his wife was happy for him, even though they lived in separate houses. They both knew that they had found their true calling in life, and they were grateful for the opportunity to pursue it.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 2nd, 2023 at 1:57:58 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVa8aDNJfyE
Actor Jeremy Renner owns a mansion near Lake Tahoe.
He owns several full size, road-clearing snow plows which he operates himself to clear snow off of the roads on his property.
Somehow while plowing he managed to get himself run over with one of his plows while he was operating it..
Huh?
How in the bloody hell can THAT happen?
As homage, I rewrote the opening to "Grandma got run over by a reindeer."
"Jeremy got run over by his snow plow
Maybe drunk or high while plowing his driveway
Some may shake their head and wonder "How?"
Who cares, he ain't "A-list" any way.
Actor Jeremy Renner owns a mansion near Lake Tahoe.
He owns several full size, road-clearing snow plows which he operates himself to clear snow off of the roads on his property.
Somehow while plowing he managed to get himself run over with one of his plows while he was operating it..
Huh?
How in the bloody hell can THAT happen?
As homage, I rewrote the opening to "Grandma got run over by a reindeer."
"Jeremy got run over by his snow plow
Maybe drunk or high while plowing his driveway
Some may shake their head and wonder "How?"
Who cares, he ain't "A-list" any way.
"What, me worry?"
January 2nd, 2023 at 2:09:11 PM
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I saw a video-short of a car dealer trying to jump a car but the booster battery timed out when he put the car into neutral. The electronic parking brakes don't work when the battery is dead. So he had to get back to the booster battery to reset it and try to restart the car. The car was on a slight grade and would start rolling towards other vehicles if he took his foot off the brake. So he quickly got out of the car, reset the booster, and jumped back into the car and jumped the car while it rolled a few feet.
January 2nd, 2023 at 5:10:51 PM
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Somehow while plowing he managed to get himself run over with one of his plows while he was operating it..
Huh?
How in the bloody hell can THAT happen?
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I have seen lots of people get stuck in the snow and forget to shift to neutral and set the brakes before dismounting to shovel bit of snow loose so they can back out.
It is less uncommon than one might expect.
I know I was helping a woman get unstuck from a snowbank. She got out to see what I was doing (hooray learning), but forgot to take it out of reverse.
We quickly noticed when enough snow had been removed for the vehicle to loosen.
I had to hurriedly jump in, hit the brake, and set parking gear.
May the cards fall in your favor.
January 2nd, 2023 at 5:21:53 PM
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I think many of todays car models won't let you open your door if the car is not in park. One of the actors from Star Trek was killed when he hopped out of his car to open his gate and left the car in gear.
In my younger days, I jumped out of my car to urinate and left it in gear. It went right thru my parent's garage door.
In my younger days, I jumped out of my car to urinate and left it in gear. It went right thru my parent's garage door.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
January 2nd, 2023 at 7:18:08 PM
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Safety interlocks are a wonderful thing.
Many manufacturers of highway scale snow removal equipment have some basic trust that the operator, tasked with doing dangerous things in potentially hazardous conditions, will not do so carelessly.
Most of the plow operators I know end up bypassing many of the safety interlocks anyway. A "Gitter Done" mindset is useful.
Many manufacturers of highway scale snow removal equipment have some basic trust that the operator, tasked with doing dangerous things in potentially hazardous conditions, will not do so carelessly.
Most of the plow operators I know end up bypassing many of the safety interlocks anyway. A "Gitter Done" mindset is useful.
May the cards fall in your favor.
January 2nd, 2023 at 9:07:12 PM
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I had my car roll out of gas station parking lot and cross a 4 lane street. I got really lucky. It didn't cause an accident. I was parked on a gradual incline, so didn't even notice the car moving. Boy, was I surprised when I came back outside and didn't see my car.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
January 3rd, 2023 at 2:07:23 AM
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a couple of years ago I had to use a come-along tool to get my pickup out of a fix I got myself into
a little nervous about the whole mess, I caught myself trying to pull it out while it was in park, duh!
kind of the opposite of the vehicle left in neutral and moving off on its own
a little nervous about the whole mess, I caught myself trying to pull it out while it was in park, duh!
kind of the opposite of the vehicle left in neutral and moving off on its own
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:38:15 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfGambling and casinos are a net negative for everyone but the casinos and Advantage Players.
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I am neither a casino owner nor an Advantage Player and gambling is not a net negative for me.
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:10:05 AM
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I'm sure there are lots of exceptions. IMO casinos are not good for society in general. With that being said... I'm not exactly a humanitarian, so bring them on.Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfGambling and casinos are a net negative for everyone but the casinos and Advantage Players.
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I am neither a casino owner nor an Advantage Player and gambling is not a net negative for me.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:15:08 AM
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What a crappy way to die.
Towards the end of WW2, the Nazis were hard-pressed in their capacity to build new ships, submarines, planes, tanks, etc as Allied bombing had decimated their factories. With their limited resources, they needed to pick and choose the projects they put forward.
One such project was a super-submarine named U-1206. It was bigger and better than the previous generation and among the improvements was a flushable toilet. Older submarines had to surface to get rid of their waste, leaving them vulnerable to being spotted by air patrols.
The U-1206 solved that problem, but the waste disposal system was so complicated that it took a specially trained person to operate. Each submarine had two trained specialists on board to operate the system.
So on its first combat voyage, one of the two specialists gets ill, leaving only one guy to man the toilets. He obviously can't work 24 hours so it comes to be that the Captain goes down to use the facilities and is disgusted by what he finds. He grabs a nearby seaman and orders him to flush the toilets. As the Captain watches, the poor guy plays with some levers and the tanks empty- into the battery compartment.
The raw sewage emits a chlorine-like gas that is soon circulating thru the sub, and the Captain orders an emergency surfacing.
His run of bad luck continues as the sub is almost immediately spotted by Allied planes.
Unable to dive, he orders the submarine scuttled and orders his crew into lifeboats
Towards the end of WW2, the Nazis were hard-pressed in their capacity to build new ships, submarines, planes, tanks, etc as Allied bombing had decimated their factories. With their limited resources, they needed to pick and choose the projects they put forward.
One such project was a super-submarine named U-1206. It was bigger and better than the previous generation and among the improvements was a flushable toilet. Older submarines had to surface to get rid of their waste, leaving them vulnerable to being spotted by air patrols.
The U-1206 solved that problem, but the waste disposal system was so complicated that it took a specially trained person to operate. Each submarine had two trained specialists on board to operate the system.
So on its first combat voyage, one of the two specialists gets ill, leaving only one guy to man the toilets. He obviously can't work 24 hours so it comes to be that the Captain goes down to use the facilities and is disgusted by what he finds. He grabs a nearby seaman and orders him to flush the toilets. As the Captain watches, the poor guy plays with some levers and the tanks empty- into the battery compartment.
The raw sewage emits a chlorine-like gas that is soon circulating thru the sub, and the Captain orders an emergency surfacing.
His run of bad luck continues as the sub is almost immediately spotted by Allied planes.
Unable to dive, he orders the submarine scuttled and orders his crew into lifeboats
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:44:04 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI'm sure there are lots of exceptions. IMO casinos are not good for society in general. With that being said... I'm not exactly a humanitarian, so bring them on.Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfGambling and casinos are a net negative for everyone but the casinos and Advantage Players.
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I am neither a casino owner nor an Advantage Player and gambling is not a net negative for me.
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Casinos provide a lot of jobs, including in their construction of them.
As bad as Atlantic City is, without gambling, I think you'd have another Camden. Casinos in Laughlin have certainly benefitted that area.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
January 3rd, 2023 at 1:40:14 PM
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I never took economics courses, so I don't know how much this is talked about: as long as it's private enterprise, everything that goes on seems to benefit the economy, even the apparent inefficiencies... as long as there is competition. If say a company is 'wasting money' on advertising, then what should happen is another company runs them out of business. But generally, within limits, advertising makes sense and if a company prospers the economy can prosper. If people are going to casinos, spending their money for entertainment, it’s part of the economy. I don’t assume it’s all bad.
What I’m getting at is that outside of morality concerns it is not necessarily totally bad for casinos to operate, at least for the economy, in spite of a certain conclusion you can come to about the waste of it. The economy may just continue to grow because of it. Maybe somebody who took economics courses could tell us if these theories are taught.
When socialism in the 20th century was being touted as the future, it was not just as a more just system, but actually a more efficient system because it could eliminate waste. But they found out they were wrong ... bureaucracies running companies lose efficiency through sclerosis. And some of the failure of it perhaps is counter-intuitive. One example was the idea to make every chicken producer by law make the exact same chicken as close to it as they can, a New Deal idea to produce efficiencies that was shot down by the Supreme Court. I'll provide a link instead of going on about it, but essentially we now know it was better for the economy if the public spent more, when they wanted to, for a better chicken if someone could produce one. The economy grows and gets bigger! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.L.A._Schechter_Poultry_Corp._v._United_States
What I’m getting at is that outside of morality concerns it is not necessarily totally bad for casinos to operate, at least for the economy, in spite of a certain conclusion you can come to about the waste of it. The economy may just continue to grow because of it. Maybe somebody who took economics courses could tell us if these theories are taught.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 3rd, 2023 at 2:34:07 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitThe economy may just continue to grow because of it. Maybe somebody who took economics courses could tell us if these theories are taught.
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Gross Domestic Product is taught in economics.
GDP = C + I + G + NX
GDP = Consumer spending + Capital Investments + Government spending + Net Exports
So, if I go to a casino, the plane ticket, food, souvenirs, etc. is Consumer Spending.
When casinos take the money I've spent and use it to expand their operations, that's Capital Investment.
When casinos cater to Asian whales and people travel from other countries to gamble or spend money at casinos, that figures into Net Exports.
I'm not sure if Government Spending really gets into the equation in this example (maybe some tax breaks?), but from an economic standpoint casinos are "good" for the economy because they help the country's GDP.
January 3rd, 2023 at 2:47:02 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: odiousgambitThe economy may just continue to grow because of it. Maybe somebody who took economics courses could tell us if these theories are taught.
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Gross Domestic Product is taught in economics.
GDP = C + I + G + NX
GDP = Consumer spending + Capital Investments + Government spending + Net Exports
So, if I go to a casino, the plane ticket, food, souvenirs, etc. is Consumer Spending.
When casinos take the money I've spent and use it to expand their operations, that's Capital Investment.
When casinos cater to Asian whales and people travel from other countries to gamble or spend money at casinos, that figures into Net Exports.
I'm not sure if Government Spending really gets into the equation in this example (maybe some tax breaks?), but from an economic standpoint casinos are "good" for the economy because they help the country's GDP.
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The economy has been broken for years but rather than even admit it, we throw a bandaid on a bandaid or try to create something out of nothing. Young economists are trained by the people who helped break the system to ignore the house of cards they inherit and build up and out rather than reinforcing the foundations.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
January 3rd, 2023 at 2:51:13 PM
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Of course they have, there's no arguing that. But at what cost? Would people be spending that money on other more wholesome types of entertainment instead, if there were no casinos? Would people just acquire other addictions in lieu of gambling addictions? I'm certainly no expert, so I can just go on what I have noticed over the years and some statistics here and there. It certainly seems as if Gambling is a net negative for society.Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfI'm sure there are lots of exceptions. IMO casinos are not good for society in general. With that being said... I'm not exactly a humanitarian, so bring them on.Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfGambling and casinos are a net negative for everyone but the casinos and Advantage Players.
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I am neither a casino owner nor an Advantage Player and gambling is not a net negative for me.
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Casinos provide a lot of jobs, including in their construction of them.
As bad as Atlantic City is, without gambling, I think you'd have another Camden. Casinos in Laughlin have certainly benefitted that area.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 3rd, 2023 at 3:00:19 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfOf course they have, there's no arguing that. But at what cost? Would people be spending that money on other more wholesome types of entertainment instead, if there were no casinos? Would people just acquire other addictions in lieu of gambling addictions? I'm certainly no expert, so I can just go on what I have noticed over the years and some statistics here and there. It certainly seems as if Gambling is a net negative for society.
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I can only speak for myself... I went to casinos several times last year. I spent X amount of dollars and lost X amount of dollars gambling. If I had NOT gone to casinos, I didn't have any other plans for that money. It would have either sat in a savings account or gotten invested in some bonds or a brokerage account. I wasn't going to buy anything else with that money, and I doubt I would have taken any other vacations.
January 3rd, 2023 at 3:02:26 PM
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How has Mississippi's economy changed since gambling became more and more prominent? (I think it's hard to factor in one thing when so many factors could affect it, but thought I'd put it up for consideration) Granted one can grow magically (Macau?) But things are different there to
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January 3rd, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM
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I've looked at various sources - I'm not going to link them all - but they all agree that about 2% of the adult population are compulsive, addicted problem gamblers
2% of about 200 million people - that's 2 million people
try and imagine the damage they cause in various ways
inside a casino - at any given time - I would estimate that at least 15% of them match that profile - admittedly an unscientific speculation
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I've looked at various sources - I'm not going to link them all - but they all agree that about 2% of the adult population are compulsive, addicted problem gamblers
2% of about 200 million people - that's 2 million people
try and imagine the damage they cause in various ways
inside a casino - at any given time - I would estimate that at least 15% of them match that profile - admittedly an unscientific speculation
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January 3rd, 2023 at 3:26:47 PM
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Casino's are both good and bad much like anything else more good than bad bad than good? I don't know.
Economically speaking life is a game there is winners and losers Casino's are predatory, unethical in their
quest to prey upon those that lack understanding (Axel) or lack self control. Thus my disdain for them,
and my euphoria when I stick it to them.
Economically speaking life is a game there is winners and losers Casino's are predatory, unethical in their
quest to prey upon those that lack understanding (Axel) or lack self control. Thus my disdain for them,
and my euphoria when I stick it to them.
January 3rd, 2023 at 3:43:25 PM
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Quote: rxwineHow has Mississippi's economy changed since gambling became more and more prominent? (I think it's hard to factor in one thing when so many factors could affect it, but thought I'd put it up for consideration) Granted one can grow magically (Macau?) But things are different there to
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The area around Tunica has undoubtedly benefited by the casinos creating thousands of jobs. Before gambling, a magazine called Tunica "American Somalia."
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January 3rd, 2023 at 8:06:59 PM
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2% of about 200 million people - that's 2 million people
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It just might be mathematical calculations like that one that get a lot of people into trouble in a casino. ;-)
January 4th, 2023 at 12:11:48 AM
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2% of about 200 million people - that's 2 million people
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It just might be mathematical calculations like that one that get a lot of people into trouble in a casino. ;-)
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woops - 4 million
that is a very minor error and should not be held against me
as Doctors everywhere know older people who imbibe greatly around the New Year can become confused and remain so for several days afterwards____________(-:/
makes my point even stronger -
4 million desperate addicts roaming around in America hungry for action
everywhere they go - they have a chance for a big score
lottery machines in grocery stores - right in their face - in 7-11 too - they can make a big score while they're buying milk for the baby
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January 4th, 2023 at 5:24:46 AM
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January 4th, 2023 at 8:28:42 AM
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So 98% of the population DOESN'T have a problem with gambling?
Seems like pretty good odds to me.....
Seems like pretty good odds to me.....
January 4th, 2023 at 9:02:08 AM
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Quote: TigerWuSo 98% of the population DOESN'T have a problem with gambling?
Seems like pretty good odds to me.....
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agreed - that's one way to look at it
but a high % of the population doesn't gamble at all - or such a tiny amount it is negligible
so another way to look at it is what % of those who go to casinos to gamble are compulsive_______________?
I couldn't find any stats on that
but I would guess at least one out of six
so if a father introduces his son to casinos - there is perhaps a one in 6 chance his son becomes compulsive
those odds don't look quite so attractive
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January 4th, 2023 at 9:19:53 AM
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Gambling addiction is weird because if you're an addict, it's a huge problem.
However, if you're NOT an addict and you're responsible about it, it has zero negative effect on your life, and may even make it more enjoyable.
The same can not be said for drugs or alcohol, where, even if you're still responsible about it and not an addict, they can still affect your health in a negative way.
The safest amount of alcohol and drugs is none at all, but there is definitely a "safe" amount of gambling. That's why I don't think it should ever be banned.
However, if you're NOT an addict and you're responsible about it, it has zero negative effect on your life, and may even make it more enjoyable.
The same can not be said for drugs or alcohol, where, even if you're still responsible about it and not an addict, they can still affect your health in a negative way.
The safest amount of alcohol and drugs is none at all, but there is definitely a "safe" amount of gambling. That's why I don't think it should ever be banned.
January 4th, 2023 at 10:13:21 AM
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it's not that there are 2 million problem gamblers [say] and, if there weren't all these new casinos, these people would be all squared away, leading exemplary lives. So it's 2 million minus those who would be problem XYZs anyway. Some of those XYZs would be problem gamblers just as bad with or without the new casinos. Some would get addicted to something else that destroys them
Of those in the remainder, the ones that are added and that truly have been created, how many are those? How many would have had a minor problem, couldn't find local illegal gambling, but now can go all the time and are making that minor problem a major one? There would be some.
But you can't say there are 2 million [if that is the number] and the majority of that just got created as a social problem
Of those in the remainder, the ones that are added and that truly have been created, how many are those? How many would have had a minor problem, couldn't find local illegal gambling, but now can go all the time and are making that minor problem a major one? There would be some.
But you can't say there are 2 million [if that is the number] and the majority of that just got created as a social problem
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January 5th, 2023 at 1:47:50 AM
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just one more post about gambling - and then I'm done
to me, it's a matter of degree - just as there are different levels of seriousness in problem gambling
so, we already have lottery machines in grocery stores in tons of different locales
how about we put slot machines in subway stations all over the country________?
and slots in the lobbies of every large hotel and office building
including the lobbies of State and Federal Government buildings
and why shouldn't every large restaurant have a slot machine area__________?
and every medium to large city in the U.S. should build at least 2 or 3 giant casinos - and the Federal and State Government should provide large subsidies to fund these tremendously worthwhile projects
if the problems caused by gambling are such a small thing - then it seems to me that the above is a great idea - a real moneymaker sure to generate huge tax dollars and create lots of jobs
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just one more post about gambling - and then I'm done
to me, it's a matter of degree - just as there are different levels of seriousness in problem gambling
so, we already have lottery machines in grocery stores in tons of different locales
how about we put slot machines in subway stations all over the country________?
and slots in the lobbies of every large hotel and office building
including the lobbies of State and Federal Government buildings
and why shouldn't every large restaurant have a slot machine area__________?
and every medium to large city in the U.S. should build at least 2 or 3 giant casinos - and the Federal and State Government should provide large subsidies to fund these tremendously worthwhile projects
if the problems caused by gambling are such a small thing - then it seems to me that the above is a great idea - a real moneymaker sure to generate huge tax dollars and create lots of jobs
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January 5th, 2023 at 9:27:40 AM
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Does anyone here have knowledge about wifi hotspots and signal amplification? My ISP offers free hotspot connections around the US. I can now get a signal at my home. Oftentimes it's a weak signal that gives me spotty connections. When it's a strong signal, I'm getting fairly good speeds. What's the best option for capturing this signal better?
They have all kinds of devices meant for amplifying your wifi signal on a normal home internet system. I am not sure if those types of things would solve my problem since this is a signal coming from a cell tower, I assume.
I noticed they have some USB antennas, which seems easy, but I'm not sure if it will make a big difference. Also, I assume I would need to switch it to whatever device I'm using at the time. I'm wondering if a 2nd router and an outside antenna would be a better option.
They have all kinds of devices meant for amplifying your wifi signal on a normal home internet system. I am not sure if those types of things would solve my problem since this is a signal coming from a cell tower, I assume.
I noticed they have some USB antennas, which seems easy, but I'm not sure if it will make a big difference. Also, I assume I would need to switch it to whatever device I'm using at the time. I'm wondering if a 2nd router and an outside antenna would be a better option.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 5th, 2023 at 9:39:28 AM
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2.4ghz signals are heavily attenuated by water.
Less matter between the antennae generally means less attenuation - just inverse square losses, no extras.
In practice, higher is better, and aim your directional antenna carefully.
Microwave safety means be darn careful that when you're aiming, you're not pointing it at any irreplaceable bags of water like eyes or brains.
This is assuming that your (tablet or whatever) is one end of the connection, and a cell tower is the other end.
These are probably not the suitable approaches if they give you a hotspot cellphone thing to catch the tower signal and convert it to something your tablet or whatever can utilize.
Less matter between the antennae generally means less attenuation - just inverse square losses, no extras.
In practice, higher is better, and aim your directional antenna carefully.
Microwave safety means be darn careful that when you're aiming, you're not pointing it at any irreplaceable bags of water like eyes or brains.
This is assuming that your (tablet or whatever) is one end of the connection, and a cell tower is the other end.
These are probably not the suitable approaches if they give you a hotspot cellphone thing to catch the tower signal and convert it to something your tablet or whatever can utilize.
May the cards fall in your favor.
