Miscellaneous Discussion Thread

Can I tell you that people slurping soup and/or cereal makes me want to stab my spoon into their eyes. Currently staying in a beach condo with 8 other people. 2 of them slurp and it might cause me to jump off the balcony.

Quote: GWAE

Can I tell you that people slurping soup and/or cereal makes me want to stab my spoon into their eyes. Currently staying in a beach condo with 8 other people. 2 of them slurp and it might cause me to jump off the balcony.

Damn. First Babs gets on Jeopardy and now you get on The Real World.

Quote: GWAE

Can I tell you that people slurping soup

get a clip from Charlie Chan movie 'plase do not imitate vacuum cleaner and play it for the.

Quote: GWAE

Can I tell you that people slurping soup and/or cereal makes me want to stab my spoon into their eyes. Currently staying in a beach condo with 8 other people. 2 of them slurp and it might cause me to jump off the balcony.

Are they Asian?

Quote: beachbumbabs

It's at least in part, the fault of the Postal Union if you're not getting paid the same as others for that same route. They are required to represent you in such a matter, and have exclusive rights of redress. I can't imagine how they let such inequity go on.

If they don't take care of you, you can also sue them DFR violations. (Duty of Fair Representation).

But your main issue is likely with USPS mgmt.

Yes this, and you are also accurate on the "negotiations". That's all on the union.

Here's the thing... I've been railing on them from the jump (as you may know from the DT thread). I went to them repeatedly over my being forced to 6-7 day schedules in perpetuity. Over and over I was told all I could do was wait and the only bone they could throw me was that when someone was hired, I would be first to receive the assistance. Fine.

No one was hired for 5+ years. Repeatedly I went back, trying to get something done. I was repeatedly told no. Even went through all the scenarios based on the numerous protests I came up with. It all came back to the same thing - you have to come in.

The INSTANT someone else made a stink because they got put in my position for ONE DAY, union swoops in and forces mgmt. to pay 2.5. I did it for FIVE YEARS. THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE are now getting 2.5, just to do for 6 months what I did for 5 years.

This wasn't a rant post. DFR? Who tf do I contact? This place is gonna burn one way or t'other.

Quote: Rigondeaux

Damn. First Babs gets on Jeopardy and now you get on The Real World.

Lmao, I wish that were the case. Staying in beach condo with in laws, wife's brother and friend, plus of course kids

Quote: Face

Yes this, and you are also accurate on the "negotiations". That's all on the union.

Here's the thing... I've been railing on them from the jump (as you may know from the DT thread). I went to them repeatedly over my being forced to 6-7 day schedules in perpetuity. Over and over I was told all I could do was wait and the only bone they could throw me was that when someone was hired, I would be first to receive the assistance. Fine.

No one was hired for 5+ years. Repeatedly I went back, trying to get something done. I was repeatedly told no. Even went through all the scenarios based on the numerous protests I came up with. It all came back to the same thing - you have to come in.

The INSTANT someone else made a stink because they got put in my position for ONE DAY, union swoops in and forces mgmt. to pay 2.5. I did it for FIVE YEARS. THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE are now getting 2.5, just to do for 6 months what I did for 5 years.

This wasn't a rant post. DFR? Who tf do I contact? This place is gonna burn one way or t'other.

What does your labor attorney say to do next? Hopefully you didn't let this fester for five years without retaining one. Has your Congressman responded to any of the letters you sent him? I think NY has a law, or maybe just a rule, against permanent seven day schedules.

Quote: Face

.....The INSTANT someone else made a stink because they got put in my position for ONE DAY, union swoops in and forces mgmt. to pay 2.5. I did it for FIVE YEARS. THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE are now getting 2.5, just to do for 6 months what I did for 5 years.

This wasn't a rant post. DFR? Who tf do I contact? This place is gonna burn one way or t'other.

A union grievance must be filed before talking to a lawyer.

I don't stay in Holiday Inns but I watch way too much Judge Judy. I think she would ask you why you didn't do something five years ago.
You can't eat hamburger for years and then complain you should have had steak all along.

Quote: billryan

I think she would ask you why you didn't do something five years ago.

Just sparing a bunch of typing and reading. I can assure you I've been raising hell for years. The problem is management is openly combative (literally told me they wouldn't even tell me how to do something because it would come back on them).

And yes, it is violation of NYS law, one which im pretty sure they can skirt via fine print (it's not "technically permanent" if they "attempt" to find me a sub)

If I told you how they treated me on comp, every level headed member would s@#$ a chicken.

I KNOW I've got something within this huge pile of abuse that I can hang someone with. I just don't know who to go to with it

Quote: Face

Yes this, and you are also accurate on the "negotiations". That's all on the union.

Here's the thing... I've been railing on them from the jump (as you may know from the DT thread). I went to them repeatedly over my being forced to 6-7 day schedules in perpetuity. Over and over I was told all I could do was wait and the only bone they could throw me was that when someone was hired, I would be first to receive the assistance. Fine.

No one was hired for 5+ years. Repeatedly I went back, trying to get something done. I was repeatedly told no. Even went through all the scenarios based on the numerous protests I came up with. It all came back to the same thing - you have to come in.

The INSTANT someone else made a stink because they got put in my position for ONE DAY, union swoops in and forces mgmt. to pay 2.5. I did it for FIVE YEARS. THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE are now getting 2.5, just to do for 6 months what I did for 5 years.

This wasn't a rant post. DFR? Who tf do I contact? This place is gonna burn one way or t'other.

The first thing you must do immediately, if you have not, is file a grievance, with the date emphasized that you first became aware someone else was paid more for doing the same work you were doing.

Go back and look at all your past posts on this here and at DT, and create a journal with dates and specifics. You can use the online commentary as documentation for timeline and contemporaneous records.

Add in all paperwork you have, including pay stubs from the last five years, any record of conversation you had with either supervisors or the union on this subject, notes of any peer discussions. If you can, document every complaint or confrontation you had by date, time, participant, witness, result, and any written records or disciplinary action taken.

It may be correct for you to file a single, all-encompassing grievance. It may be more correct for you to grieve each instance of inequity you can identify distinctly, or each pay period.

You may need to file a FOIA for personnel and pay records in order to prove pay rates were inequitable. If you have a good enough relationship with those who have been receiving the additional pay, they may help by providing their pay records.

Much of this should have been done by, and is in the purview of, your local facility union rep, or your regional representative. They have authority you don't have to get records, even if sanitized, start investigations, and elevate grievances.

If your grievance(s) are denied at the local level (and they should be filed against either or both the union and your immediate supervisor, depending on what's gone on so far), you can file to elevate them above those people. Keep going until you get either arbitration or to the NLRB, which is your advocate and protector from both management malfeasance, and union misrepresentation.

Your Postal Union offices in the Regional, and above them, National, will have avenues for internal complaints as well, probably huge legal departments. THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS. DO NOT GO IN ADVERSARIAL UNLESS YOU GET THAT TREATMENT FROM THEM. They know that many things happen in error in Locals from ignorance or malice from Union reps. They do NOT want to stand behind internal malfeasance or malpractice. The entire Union can be decertified if they don't represent you fairly. DO NOT PISS THEM OFF UNTIL (and unless) YOU'RE DENIED THEIR HELP.

I suggest you read up on the NLRB purpose and function so you know your rights. Should be a large .gov website.

This is how the NLRB defines DFR:

Under the National Labor Relations Act, unions have a duty of fair representation to the members of the bargaining unit it represents by engaging in conduct that is not arbitrary, discriminatory or in bad faith, particularly with regard to the processing of worker grievances.Oct 8, 2018

This may take years. However, the gov't is on the hook for the amount, penalty fees, and interest from the date of the grievance. The Union should represent you without charge. However, if they become adversarial, you may have to retain your own civil service attorney, and they aren't cheap - but their fees would be part of the penalty the govt (or the Union, if they screw you over) would have to pay.

Someone, think it was Petro, said you must follow the process. Great advice. YOU MUST FOLLOW THE PROCESS, AND KEEP EXACTLY TO ALL TIMELINES, OR YOUR CASE CAN BE VOIDED. You MUST go up the ladder each step. Don't skip or shortcut. Don't approach the Regional Rep unless your Local gives you no satisfaction. Don't go over the Regional Rep to National unless same.

Timestamp every piece of paper you file or receive. Document every conversation or meeting from here on out. Anything you sign, you MUST have a copy provided.

This all assumes you'll have to keep fighting your way up. There could be an offer to make you whole, or a settlement offer at any point. That's what you want, of course, at as low a level of authority as is possible. Each time your complaint climbs a step, it becomes more expensive to THEM to deal with it. So you may get a decent offer - don't reject anything before you understand thoroughly what's being offered, and what your expense in time, money, and anguish will be if you do turn it down.

Quote: GWAE

Can I tell you that people slurping soup and/or cereal makes me want to stab my spoon into their eyes. Currently staying in a beach condo with 8 other people. 2 of them slurp and it might cause me to jump off the balcony.

For a guy who claims to be broke all the time, you sure do take a lot of vacations.

I had no idea that the government had a union. I thought it was just a govrnment job that controlled everything.

Quote: AxelWolf

For a guy who claims to be broke all the time, you sure do take a lot of vacations.

I dont think that I have complained about being poor for a little while.

You can't take it with you so I am making sure there is nothing left behind.

Quote: GWAE

I had no idea that the government had a union. I thought it was just a govrnment job that controlled everything.

There are more gov't union members in this country than private members at this point, I think. Actual member numbers in Teamsters or SEIU (both huge labor) may be larger, but paid memberships, I think public sector is larger. Teacher's Union might now be the largest single paid member private or public. Not sure how they work that, since their jurisdictions are by state, district, and school system.

Quote: FleaStiff

Annuities are of two types: bad and worse.
Payments are always partly income and partly return of principal.

with a lifetime annuity it doesn't matter what they are paying out if done in an IRA - which is now allowable
who cares? they have to pay you that monthly payment as long as you live
the only thing that matters is whether the amount of the monthly payment is acceptable to you


if you do it in an IRA you don't owe tax on the interest which you would if it was not an IRA
the payouts are taxed as income - but any payout from an IRA - which is required at age 70.5 is taxed as income - referring to a regular IRA
so, the tax you pay would have to be paid anyway if you did something different with your regular IRA

Quote: lilredrooster

with a lifetime annuity it doesn't matter what they are paying out if done in an IRA - which is now allowable
who cares? they have to pay you that monthly payment as long as you live
the only thing that matters is whether the amount of the monthly payment is acceptable to you


if you do it in an IRA you don't owe tax on the interest which you would if it was not an IRA
the payouts are taxed as income - but any payout from an IRA - which is required at age 70.5 is taxed as income - referring to a regular IRA
so, the tax you pay would have to be paid anyway if you did something different with your regular IRA

Traditional annuities have always been tax free. The exception is for those programs where you paid into them with pretax dollars.

For example, if you got an annuity from an insurance company, you would be buying it with money you paid income tax on, and this is one where the objection to double taxation has existed for a long time. They don't tax the withdrawals.

I think you are muddying the subject of annuities by talking about IRAs, though maybe you could explain further about something I don't know.

Quote: odiousgambit

Traditional annuities have always been tax free.

I believe that is incorrect: the payouts from an annuity (non IRA) are categorized as principal or interest. you don't owe tax on the principal but you do on the interest

this article might be helpful:

from the article:

"If you buy the annuity with after-tax money, then a portion of every payout represents a return of your original investment, and a portion is considered to be taxable earnings."

the point I was making that if it is a regular IRA you won't owe tax on the interest income
all your payouts will be taxed as income - but that will happen no matter how you handle your IRA after age 70.5 when you are required to make withdrawals
so, you gained since the interest is not taxed - and you didn't lose anything on the IRA taxation as income because that would have happened no matter how you withdrew funds from your IRA as required

https://www.kiplinger.com/article/insurance/T003-C001-S001-how-annuities-are-taxed.html

Quote: GWAE

Be careful expressing that you know what others are making. In most corporations that is grounds for termination of both people.

Wow. JUST WOW.
To this Limey, that sounds like an insane employment situation.

Annuities are complex hybrid financial instruments that are beyond the average persons understanding. Unfortunately, the person who is trying to navigate you thru it are usually being paid on commission and sugar coat the future earnings. Go to one of the group dinners and you will be subjected to deceptive claims.
I attended such a presentation and All State was promoting some new instrument that defied physics and only went up. It sounded great so I showed it to another "advisor" looking for my business. He ripped it to shreds pointing out every possibility that had been oversold. He then offered me a ridiculous annuity that turned $200,000 into a $1,000,000 but only if you didn't take any distributions until you were 96 or something. A friend recommended a guy who wanted to put half my money into front loaded mutual.
I'm told there are some excellent annuities out there. My experience is once they find out you have less than a million dollars to put in, the doors to the good stuff closes.
In NY, I dealt with friends and people I'd grown with, so I was surprised how predatory the waters out here are.
Id concentrate on finding an honest advisor over today's flavor of the month.

Quote: beachbumbabs

He doesn't have the right to negotiate wages as an individual. Whether he's a dues-member or not, the Postal Union is the sole representative for wages, leave, and discipline in the workplace.

It is POSSIBLE that Face is on some B-scale wage schedule I don't know about, and those others are somehow grandfathered on their rates. But doubtful, and that's the only way it might have been done. There are only classes of employees, by job description and seniority, not individuals.

When Amazon started contracting with the USPS to deliver their packages, a bunch of "temporary" workers were brought on with substantially weaker benefits compared to permanent employees. I wonder if Face's situation was related to this two-class system?

I am familiar with work rules that stipulated 1.5x after 8 hrs. in a day until the 12th hr. then 2x after that. I've also worked in companies where only hours in excess of 40 in a work week were comped at 1.5 up to 60 hrs., then double. I've also seen contracts where where callbacks automatically got 1.5 for the entire shift, with a four hr. minimum guarantee.

A close review of the CBA is in order.

I agree with what you are saying but I believe the Single Premium Lifetime Annuity is an exception.
I don't think it's a ripoff as are many annuities
it is pretty simple - the main issue is if the payout amount is acceptable
and if you want to reduce the amount slightly so that if you check out early your heirs will get a substantial portion of the principal returned

ALWAYS remember there is a MAJOR difference between an advisor and an adviser. Legal distinction is critical.
Financial Adviser has a fiduciary duty, Financial Advisor usually means salesman with a fancy title who owes you no duty at all.

Quote: lilredrooster

I believe that is incorrect: the payouts from an annuity (non IRA) are categorized as principal or interest. you don't owe tax on the principal but you do on the interest...

OK, I've been checking up on this and it appears that the claim that an annuity is not taxable income appears to be something that you might hear from a salesman who may or may not have qualified that statement in some manner; but of course this claim then gets repeated, and I have apparently gotten it wrong too from hearing this. Thanks.

Apparently whether early distributions get taxed has something to do with the way they are distributed ; annuities often pay back in a manner where it looks like you get a fantastic return but actually they are draining the principal to make it look like that.

Generally speaking I am no fan of annuities and am glad to hear that one of the things that was supposed to be good about them is pretty much another lie. Thanks again .

Quote: OnceDear

Wow. JUST WOW.
To this Limey, that sounds like an insane employment situation.

As an employer it makes sense. My job is to maximize the work that gets done while holding onto as much profit as I can. If my $13 an hour worker knew the girl sitting next to her was getting $16 an hour she would probably be upset and quit or do less work. The girl making $13 is doing the same job as the $16 girl but the $13 is not as good and deserves $13 but in peoples own view it is always skewed. She will think she is owed $16 opposed to trying to earn it. Sometimes it goes the other way though. This same $16 hour girl is doing a better job than my $19 hour girl. They both do good work but the 16 is more efficient and more accurate. I would like to bump her up but as a business I can not have 2 people making $19. I do like the current $19 so its not like I am going to reduce hers so the $16 is kind of stuck there for a little while. Not sure if that all made sense. So anyways, people talking about salaries can really muddy the waters with employees.

That's an employer's argument. One of the things Unions push for is transparency in pay scales and equity. They don't disagree with scales that are augmented with merit increases, incentive pay and bonuses, or raises by seniority. They also support skills pay, where more areas of training or expertise bring a premium.

But a lot of private employers claim it's private info, and will discipline or fire employees who discuss it. It's a major factor in pay disparities between men and women, and whites vs. POC in the US, btw. Arbitrary and unfair rates persist, especially in so-called "right to work" states.

Employers should be transparent about it, and make it clear that there are reasons some are paid more than others. It should be aspirational to the lower-paid employee, not an area of resentment within the ranks. And advancement and raises should be available to all employees.

It's perfectly reasonable that someone who's been there longer, has extra skills, or rated exceptional (above standard) should be compensated. The resentment comes in when there is no obvious basis BY MERIT for another person earning more but doing the same job.

Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines etc) is famous for saying, "Train your employees so they're desirable to other employers. Treat them well so they don't want to leave."

Studies of the best companies consistently show a common factor is that they value their employees above nearly all other metrics. Hire the right people, treat them well including pay, you have a stable and productive workforce.

Quote: beachbumbabs

That's an employer's argument.

I think we can see what GWAE is turning into... he he ...

You have not reached the pinnnacle of success in business until you have suicide nets around the perimeter of your buildings.

It obviously depends on the business, but in general, I find businesses that value their employees thrive. Support your employees and they ,in turn, will support your business. Some, unfortunately, won't get it and will try to take advantage of you and will have to go, but the remaining team will be more efficient and morale will be better.
The customer is always right has to be one of the stupidest mottos ever. Think about it. It means that no matter what, you don't have your employees back. When a customer is wrong, support your worker. A disgruntled employee is a lot worse for your business than a disgruntled customer. Employees who know you have their back can do their job much better than ones who fear for their jobs.
I once worked in a light bulb factory. It was drone work, but morale was high. Wages were low but easily reached bonuses made it a decent job. Parking was an issue so the company offered two prime parking spots for employees of the month. Getting chosen for those spots put a little extra giddy up in one's steps. Or so I'm told. I never got one of the spots, but I did learn that small gestures go a long way towards your company running smoothly.

Quote: billryan

The customer is always right has to be one of the stupidest mottos ever. Think about it. It means that no matter what, you don't have your employees back. When a customer is wrong, support your worker.

That's because companies completely misunderstand what that motto is supposed to mean.

"The customer is always right" is a statement regarding supply and demand. I.e., if your customers want a certain type of light bulb, you are going to sell that light bulb. You're not going to force a different type of light bulb on them. The customer is always right: if the customer demands a product, you sell that product.

That motto doesn't mean "do whatever the customer wants at the expense of the employee."

EDIT: Hmm, I might be wrong on my history of that phrase. Wikipedia has a brief but interesting take on it.

I remember this and looked it up again but I can't vouch for it's accuracy. This particular retelling of it was at:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/top-5-reasons-customer-service_b_5145636

Quote:

One woman who frequently flew on Southwest was constantly disappointed with every aspect of the company’s operation. In fact, she became known as the “Pen Pal” because after every flight she wrote in with a complaint.

She didn’t like the fact that the company didn’t assign seats; she didn’t like the absence of a first-class section; she didn’t like not having a meal in flight; she didn’t like Southwest’s boarding procedure; she didn’t like the flight attendants’ sporty uniforms and the casual atmosphere.

Her last letter, reciting a litany of complaints, momentarily stumped Southwest’s customer relations people. They bumped it up to Herb’s [Kelleher, CEO of Southwest at the time] desk, with a note: ‘This one’s yours.’

In sixty seconds Kelleher wrote back and said, ‘Dear Mrs. Crabapple, We will miss you. Love, Herb.’”

this dude thinks he's 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆 of the super cool way to open the bottle cap challenge

Vegemite's good stuff.

Quote: lilredrooster

this dude thinks he's 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆 of the super cool way to open the bottle cap challenge

Weak
Do it with the foot like John Mayer or Jason Statham

Quote: billryan

It obviously depends on the business, but in general, I find businesses that value their employees thrive. Support your employees and they ,in turn, will support your business. Some, unfortunately, won't get it and will try to take advantage of you and will have to go, but the remaining team will be more efficient and morale will be better.
The customer is always right has to be one of the stupidest mottos ever. Think about it. It means that no matter what, you don't have your employees back. When a customer is wrong, support your worker. A disgruntled employee is a lot worse for your business than a disgruntled customer. Employees who know you have their back can do their job much better than ones who fear for their jobs.
I once worked in a light bulb factory. It was drone work, but morale was high. Wages were low but easily reached bonuses made it a decent job. Parking was an issue so the company offered two prime parking spots for employees of the month. Getting chosen for those spots put a little extra giddy up in one's steps. Or so I'm told. I never got one of the spots, but I did learn that small gestures go a long way towards your company running smoothly.

Agreed.

A clear example of this is Vegas casinos vs California poker rooms.

In Vegas dealers and floor staff are allowed to stand up for themselves and control the game and can get pretty sassy with the customers.

In LA "the customer is always right" and you can throw your cards at the dealer and openly berate them, as well as other players and a floor man might come ask you to stop in a droopy dog voice.

LA has improved a bit, but the staff are often demoralized and incompetent, where in Vegas they are upbeat and sharp and many add to the entertainment value of the game with conversation and jokes.

The other thing is, a-holes who abuse staff are not your only customers. The other customers are not there to see that and it ruins their experience.

Patrick Swayze's character in Road House put it perfectly.
"Be nice until it's time not to be nice".
I watched an indie movie called The Parking Lot. Gist of it was a parking lot owners management style over the years ended up attracting an unusually well educated bunch of slackers .

Quote: billryan

Patrick Swayze's character in Road House put it perfectly.
"Be nice until it's time not to be nice".
I watched an indie movie called The Parking Lot. Gist of it was a parking lot owners management style over the years ended up attracting an unusually well educated bunch of slackers .

That was a great speech. It should be shown at every employee orientation.

Quote: Rigondeaux

That was a great speech. It should be shown at every employee orientation.

There are only a few places where taking unruly customers out to the parking lot for a beat down would be acceptable... but there are a bunch of places where it should be.

have had lower back pain for years - was putting stuff like Icy Hot on it
it works but it's temporary - it lasts about 3 minutes

I stopped buying the stuff - it's expensive - one brand is not better than the other

started just rubbing very hot water on my back - it works about the same

Quote: lilredrooster

have had lower back pain for years - was putting stuff like Icy Hot
. . .
started just rubbing very hot water on my back - it works about the same

Sauna?
Arginine?

Quote: FleaStiff

Sauna?
Arginine?

sauna would be temporary
just looked up arginine - didn't know about it - sounds interesting - might try it - thanks

Quote: lilredrooster

sauna would be temporary
just looked up arginine - didn't know about it - sounds interesting - might try it - thanks

Arginine is faster and more effective than the ancient practice of cupping which also increases availability of nitric oxide.

Sauna would be a brief treatment but once you were at or beyond four times a week, the benefits would kick in despite the consumption of traditional beers and sausage.

Quote: lilredrooster

have had lower back pain for years - was putting stuff like Icy Hot on it
it works but it's temporary - it lasts about 3 minutes

You cohabitate? You'll need a (really good) friend for this...

Lie down on stomach. Have someone grab your buttock, like a big ol handful. Tell them to shake your ass up and down (toward head and feet, not side to side) and do it hard, like you're trying to mix a 4yr old, half used can of Krylon.

Friend... assuming you have an ass, the vigor will send shockwaves deep into places in your lower back you never knew you had. I dare you not to moan as decade old cramps turn to golden butter instantly.

It of course is not a cure, nor rehab, or anything resembling treatment. But for relief? It's better than oxy. It'll change. Your. Life.

Question is... do you trust Face...or is he seriously pranking you?

thanks Face - might give that a try
the lower back is a bi... to deal with
other parts, like arms are much easier to relieve pain

I don't know what's causing your back pain but I've heard hanging from a pull up bar or tree branch for a little bit every day can help certain types of back pain.

thanks, I will try that too - right now it's just pain - in the past I've been almost immobilized - had a Doctor tell me that basically there's nothing he can do - other than give me painkillers which I try to avoid

Quote: Johnzimbo

Question is... do you trust Face...or is he seriously pranking you?

I'm not all that impish. And when it comes to chronic lower back pain, I'm as serious as chronic lower back pain.

You can't massage nothing back there. Save the strip that runs along the spine, it's all vertebrae and pelvis. This one weird trick™ gets to all those achy things that have never been touched. I've tried other things, usually some sort of implement used to strike, like a rubber ball on a stick. All it does it bang and bash me bones. Violent ass shakes, though... pure Nirvana.

I've 4 crushed disks. Not sure if that matters, but this is the only non-pharmaceutical option I've found to give any sort of instant relief.

Quote: Face

....I've 4 crushed disks. Not sure if that matters, but this is the only non-pharmaceutical option I've found to give any sort of instant relief.

A lot of folks swear by their inversion tables.

The latest implement I received is a frozen golf ball wrapped in a nylon type stocking. It is easy to roll up and down and around the strap neck muscles. Helps with Morton's neuroma also.

"Mini AOC has to discontinue videos because of leftwing death threats", what a shame, the kid is a doll.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7212723/Eight-year-old-Mini-AOC-child-actor-forced-quit-social-media-receiving-death-threats.html