Miscellaneous Discussion Thread
Quote: FleaStiffSuch a form would be viewed as evidence of coercion.
I really wouldn't know the legality but supposedly that's what Jeter did.
Quote: HunterhillI really wouldn't know the legality but supposedly that's what Jeter did.
Yeah I have heard that as well.
Quote: HunterhillYou have to do like Derek Jeter did and have them sign a consent form ,and record everything.lol
Not sure why so many have a problem with consent. Does having someone sign a prenuptial take all the passion out of the relationship. If it does, maybe one SHOULD
worry.
If a 100 supermodels ask a man to have sex if he signs a consent form that she didn't force you to have sex with her, how many times are you going to sign?
(I don't know if that proves anything, I just like the idea.)
I just assumed that was because your wife and kids might object.Quote: GWAEThat is so true. I wouldn't think of taking a girl home from a bar anymore.
Quote: AxelWolfI just assumed that was because your wife and kids might object.
Haha yeah theres that too.
Quote: rxwine
If a 100 supermodels ask a man to have sex if he signs a consent form that she didn't force you to have sex with her, how many times are you going to sign?
Zero. If 100 supermodels tried to have sex with me I would be incredibly suspicious and figure it was some kind of trap or scam...!
Quote: rxwineNot sure why so many have a problem with consent. Does having someone sign a prenuptial take all the passion out of the relationship. If it does, maybe one SHOULD
worry.
If a 100 supermodels ask a man to have sex if he signs a consent form that she didn't force you to have sex with her, how many times are you going to sign?
(I don't know if that proves anything, I just like the idea.)
The ideas of consent espoused by contemporary feminists are a lot different and, well, crazier than what is normally meant by the word. In the minds of some, you should literally ask every step of the way and receive "enthusiastic consent." This is true even if it is your 500th time with that partner. If the woman has had even 2 or 3 drinks, consent is impossible (though, if the man has had 30 drinks, he is fully accountable, and he still will not be a rape victim if he has regrettable sex). The woman might decide 2 months later that she was coerced into consenting and regrets the sex, which makes it rape. Yes, really.
In this case, she hit on him. He rebuffed her and she tried again. (if a man did this it would be harassment, btw). He spent a bunch of money and time on her. She came up to his place. She got naked. He tried to have sex with her and she decided at that point to shut him down. I think this was most likely a big power/ego trip by her at his expense.
And... he was cool with it. He didn't even kick her out of his place or unload about wasting a bunch of time and money. He took no for an answer.
And still, HE is the bad guy. In fact, he committed sexual assault and still violated consent because of like, non verbal cues, and feelings and junk. For that, he deserves to be publicly humiliated and possibly lose his career.
That's where we are.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure whose details you're describing. Jeter or Aziz?Quote: RigondeauxThe ideas of consent espoused by contemporary feminists are a lot different and, well, crazier than what is normally meant by the word. In the minds of some, you should literally ask every step of the way and receive "enthusiastic consent." If the woman has had even 2 or 3 drinks, consent is impossible (though, if the man has had 30 drinks, he is fully accountable, and he still will not be a rape victim if he has regrettable sex). The woman might decide 2 months later that she was coerced into consenting and regrets the sex, which makes it rape. Yes, really.
In this case, she hit on him. He rebuffed her and she tried again. (if a man did this it would be harassment, btw). He spent a bunch of money and time on her. She came up to his place. She got naked. He tried to have sex with her and she decided at that point to shut him down. I think this was most likely a big power/ego trip by her at his expense.
And... he was cool with it. He didn't even kick her out of his place or unload about wasting a bunch of time and money. He took no for an answer.
And still, HE is the bad guy. In fact, he committed sexual assault and still violated consent because of like, non verbal cues, and feelings and junk. For that, he deserves to be publicly humiliated and possibly lose his career.
That's where we are.
I haven't followed Jeter. But on Aziz, the feminists are blasting her for whining in public about a series of bad decisions she made that led to a bad date and included bad sex. It significantly affects credibility of others' real issues and cheapens the value of working for real change. That's true about several things come to light, certainly Al Franken, perhaps some of this consensual trashy-women stuff against Trump, some others.
In all, it's probably for the best this happened, because it helps define what's at issue, but it's certainly disrespectful and damaging to Aziz in the short term.
I've done any number of eye-rolls over what colleges have tried to put in place for consent rules. I think, as much as anything, it's an attempt to make up for schools not teaching effective sex-ed before the kids get to college (both boys and girls). They have a very real problem, but they've gone way overboard in trying to address it.
The 2 articles I read, including the NYT article, still suggested that Aziz was in the wrong and the girl was blameless, except in not voicing her objections more strongly, which is odd because he acquiesced. They simply pushed back against the idea that this was sexual assault. Aziz is still a bad guy. She still has no responsibility for orchestrating the whole situation from start to finish. Our private lives should still be open to public scrutiny.
But, even this being sexual assault is a matter of controversy among feminists, rather than something that is absolutely insane on its face.
Quote: RigondeauxAziz.
The 2 articles I read, including the NYT article, still suggested that Aziz was in the wrong and the girl was blameless, except in not voicing her objections more strongly, which is odd because he acquiesced. They simply pushed back against the idea that this was sexual assault. Aziz is still a bad guy. She still has no responsibility for orchestrating the whole situation from start to finish. Our private lives should still be open to public scrutiny.
But, even this being sexual assault is a matter of controversy among feminists, rather than something that is absolutely insane on its face.
The issue seems like these people think they can revoke consent after something has taken place, which is obviously ridiculous, but I’m sure people around them help to convince them to be a victim one way or another.
That said, believe it or not, despite the kind of news that gets people talking, most everyone this world are sane and reasonable. Victims claiming this sort of stuff certainly need to be taken seriously, false rape accusations are not a common thing....but they shouldn’t be taken so seriously as to ruin a life and career over something that is unsubstantiated.
Even feminist sources cite statistics saying as many as 10% of allegations are false. But those are only the cases proven to be false. When you consider how hard it is to prove something didn't happen, that's pretty dann high.
Ultimately we don't really know how common it is. But I would consider the following.
Anyone studying the topic who says false allegations are common will go through a lot of grief and professional risk while anyone who says they are rare will receive adulation and advancement.
False allegations are a free role. A powerful weapon and false accusers rarely face any consequences. What would we expect in this situation, generically, given human nature?
In feminist circles false accusers are often seen as heroes even after being discredited. I know this sounds crazy because it is. But Google mattress girl or Jian ghomeshi.
Here is a decent article on false rape stats
http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/11/devos-campus-rape-reports-false-title-ix
Now supposedly, men worry because even good women may decide to make false accusations who never made them before? Or were they all bad just waiting for an opportunity for extortion? And that's what we're saying? It sounds insulting to me.
I don't distrust anyone anymore than I ever did.
That said, young people often act stupidly about a lot of things. If adults withhold information about the world to protect them, they may get hurt more than necessary.
Quote: rxwineI just find all the worrying odd. I knew there were false reports before all this. There was always the chance you were going out with a crazy who would report you for nothing.
Now supposedly, men worry because even good women may decide to make false accusations who never made them before? Or were they all bad just waiting for an opportunity for extortion? And that's what we're saying? It sounds insulting to me.
I don't distrust anyone anymore than I ever did.
That said, young people often act stupidly about a lot of things. If adults withhold information about the world to protect them, they may get hurt more than necessary.
Well one issue is that younger women are now taught that they have possibly been raped if they were lied to, even slightly intoxicated or later regret the encounter. Even if they gave consent.
Unfortunately this is mainstream feminism today.
Setting that aside, you ain't never had a crazy vindictive ex?
look what started this conversation. Aziz met a girl. Went out on a date. Kaboom.
Quote: Rigondeaux
Setting that aside, you ain't never had a crazy vindictive ex?
In that category, only ex-girlfriends no legal ties.
I had an actual schizophrenic girlfriend once. She was actually not as hard to deal with as the undiagnosed one.
Dating is for figuring out what mistakes not to make again. But that doesn't always work either. : )
But on the bright side, look at my name. Should I make the W capital. GWoAE or GwoAE?
Quote: GwoAEShould I make the W capital. GWoAE or GwoAE?
wow! Papal dispensation required I think for that!
I think you got it right as it is now
Quote: GwoAEflight leaves in 24 hours. This morning I wake up with a nasty cold. My wife just called and said car won't start. 10 minutes later my boss comes in and says he thinks my paycheck bounced. 15 minutes later I opened a can of pepsi that has been sitting still for 10 hours and it exploded. WTF... Should I just go hide somewhere.
But on the bright side, look at my name. Should I make the W capital. GWoAE or GwoAE?
How did this happen? (The name change).
Quote: beachbumbabsHow did this happen? (The name change).
In another thread it was revealed that it's just an ability that's available now. (Edit - https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/30098-it-seemed-like-fun-at-first/#post623852)
This should be fun -_-
Quote: FaceIn another thread it was revealed that it's just an ability that's available now. (Edit - https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/30098-it-seemed-like-fun-at-first/#post623852)
This should be fun -_-
I personally think it's a terrible idea. Gonna make things interesting
I'm hooked on these live science documentary channels on YouTube, for the chat. Quite the anarchy.
Has anyone had luck with anything over the counter to combat a damn cold. I have been taking dayquil and nyquil for the last 2 days. Someone mentioned Zicam.
If something is super strong, even if it knocks me out I will take that too. I have a 5 hour plane ride so if I take it on the way to the airport then it should wear off when we land.
BTW, how the hell can you be stuffy and have a runny nose at the same time. WTF
Cheap fried rice...swimming in as much hot Chinese mustard as you can manage, Avoid iron, Do take zinc, Vitamin C.,,, several grams. None of the slow release stuff,. Onions, scallions garlic. Kim Chee.Quote: GWAEHas anyone had luck with anything over the counter to combat a damn cold. I have been taking dayquil and nyquil for the last 2 days. Someone mentioned Zicam.
Sinus lavage if you already know how and have the equipment
>. I have a 5 hour plane ride
Don't stay seated for all that time,
Quote: GWAEyep woke up this morning at 3am with phlegm and coughing. People are going to love me on the plane today.
Has anyone had luck with anything over the counter to combat a damn cold. I have been taking dayquil and nyquil for the last 2 days. Someone mentioned Zicam.
If something is super strong, even if it knocks me out I will take that too. I have a 5 hour plane ride so if I take it on the way to the airport then it should wear off when we land.
BTW, how the hell can you be stuffy and have a runny nose at the same time. WTF
Benedryl is good if you don't need to be awake. I also like the Alkaseltzer cold medicine because it's fizzy and gets me to drink water.
Drink lots of green tea. Hold the tea up to your face and really breath in the steam while you're drinking it. That will help a little with your sinuses.
Before bedtime heat up 8 oz of water, 1/2 TBSP honey, and 1/2 TBSP lemon juice, then add 1 oz of rum or whiskey. Drink two of those then go to bed.
Try to sleep with an extra pillow or something propping you up, so you're almost at a 45* angle in bed. This is supposed to help you breath and prevent sinus drainage back into your throat and lungs or something. I started doing that last time I got sick and it seems to help.
Quote: RigondeauxAziz.
The 2 articles I read, including the NYT article, still suggested that Aziz was in the wrong and the girl was blameless, except in not voicing her objections more strongly, which is odd because he acquiesced. They simply pushed back against the idea that this was sexual assault. Aziz is still a bad guy. She still has no responsibility for orchestrating the whole situation from start to finish. Our private lives should still be open to public scrutiny.
But, even this being sexual assault is a matter of controversy among feminists, rather than something that is absolutely insane on its face.
Quote: Vox.comIf Grace’s description of Ansari’s constant attempts to push her boundaries is accurate, it would indeed be an indictment of his self-assigned role as a public ally for women. It’s unsurprising that when Babe found out about her experience, it would want to highlight this disparity when publishing it.
The issue to me is that Ansari's comedy is built around new dating norms and today's feminism - his behavior, if accurately accounted for, runs straight against that norm. Today's feminism dictates permissiveness in the bedroom. He pushed far too hard once she was in the apartment, but she probably did what she did because he was a celebrity who had just won an Emmy award, and as a celebrity, in today's feminism, you have to realize that you have power in that case.
He did the right things after; apologized, did not take her words lightly, listened to what she had to say. He did not realize in the moment that he was way over the line. Now this stuff happens all of the time. I've been over the line a couple of times in my limited experience.
And this happens all of the time in the bedrooms of America. And until Aziz is conscious that his "in the bedroom" behavior constitutes sexual assault in this day of feminism, he has no right to espouse a "Time's Up" badge and claim that he's a feminist.
Quote: TigerWuBenedryl is good if you don't need to be awake. I also like the Alkaseltzer cold medicine because it's fizzy and gets me to drink water.
Drink lots of green tea. Hold the tea up to your face and really breath in the steam while you're drinking it. That will help a little with your sinuses.
Before bedtime heat up 8 oz of water, 1/2 TBSP honey, and 1/2 TBSP lemon juice, then add 1 oz of rum or whiskey. Drink two of those then go to bed.
Try to sleep with an extra pillow or something propping you up, so you're almost at a 45* angle in bed. This is supposed to help you breath and prevent sinus drainage back into your throat and lungs or something. I started doing that last time I got sick and it seems to help.
I can't speak to the natural remedies. I like to support big pharma.
With a cold with lots of phlegm, medically, you need an expectorant like guaifenesin, a cough suppressant (Dextromethorphan), an antihistimine (Dipehnhydramine or Doxylamine Succinate), a decongestant (psuedoephedrine), and a pain killer (usually Tylenol). Benadryl will put you to sleep but won't do anything else for you. Look for that ingredient. Nyquil will contain Doxylamine succinate (which is your antihistamine and sleeping pill). Benadryl contains Diphenhydramine. Both of these relieve my allergy symptoms and put me to sleep after about 90 minutes. Keep in mind that both of these have fairly long half-life. If I take Doxylamine succinate to help me sleep, I am usually groggy 12 hours later. Benadryl lasts shorter.
Quote: GWAEyep woke up this morning at 3am with phlegm and coughing. People are going to love me on the plane today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Days_Later
This park is pretty big, but there are only a few spots for humans to sit that are shaded so people congregate there. It's mostly regulars, and recently a new guy came with his young Husky and while not overly friendly, seems nice enough.
Today, the man is at the next table, having a very loud phone conversation with someone, seemingly oblivious to the four people sitting nearby.
In short order, I hear that he is 1) in a methadone program, 2) awaiting trials in both California and Nevada, 3) the car he's driving was bought downtown for $200 and came with plates and a sticker. 4) they are trying to get full time custody of his girlfriends son and that will get them an extra $500 a month. He then mentions he is near broke and is looking for any sort of gig. He finishes his call, walks over and says goodbye to us and leaves.
Quote: billryanIn short order, I hear that he is 1) in a methadone program, 2) awaiting trials in both California and Nevada, 3) the car he's driving was bought downtown for $200 and came with plates and a sticker. 4) they are trying to get full time custody of his girlfriends son and that will get them an extra $500 a month. He then mentions he is near broke and is looking for any sort of gig. He finishes his call, walks over and says goodbye to us and leaves.
I feel bad for the kid and the dog in this story, because it sounds like they both have a crappy life.
Quote: Romanp21301p3100569pd832
Friends, Countrymen, lend me your cryptic numbers.
Quote: boymimboThe issue to me is that Ansari's comedy is built around new dating norms and today's feminism - his behavior, if accurately accounted for, runs straight against that norm. Today's feminism dictates permissiveness in the bedroom. He pushed far too hard once she was in the apartment, but she probably did what she did because he was a celebrity who had just won an Emmy award, and as a celebrity, in today's feminism, you have to realize that you have power in that case.
He did the right things after; apologized, did not take her words lightly, listened to what she had to say. He did not realize in the moment that he was way over the line. Now this stuff happens all of the time. I've been over the line a couple of times in my limited experience.
And this happens all of the time in the bedrooms of America. And until Aziz is conscious that his "in the bedroom" behavior constitutes sexual assault in this day of feminism, he has no right to espouse a "Time's Up" badge and claim that he's a feminist.
Maybe you are just pointing out the hypocrisy but What you describe is the intellectually and emotionally adolescent mindset that undermines this stuff.
Aziz, in spite of being an evil evil man, is human. He is insecure, confused and ignorant. He is likely worried about rejection and inadequacy. He is acting from a limited emotional first person perspective, not that of a cool and omniscient outside observer.
People get aggressive or pushy. Especially when you lead them on. Stuff happens. This is life. He didn't hurt rape or even yell at anybody.
BTw. Ladies can be very aggressive pushy and demanding about sex. If you took a woman out wined dined and wooed her. Went to her place. Got her all heated up and took of all your clothes then said I'm just not that into you, I doubt you'd escape with your life. And you'd be responsible for creating that situation.
Part of the fundamental idea is we should all behave like robots to conform to political dogma which is kind of scary.
Quote: GWAEDid my good deed of the day. Went to hash house for breakfast. Had tons of pancakes and meatloaf left. Gave it to a homeless person and his dog. As I waited for my wife I watched him and his dog clean the containers out with ease.he even shared the fork with his dog. While eating he had put his sign down. I watched people give him about $12 in that 15 minutes. I wonder how much money some of these guys get in a day? It really is ashame that he probably has a bad habit and used that money to go buy alcohol instead of food. Maybe I am wrong. Homelessness makes me sad.
Homelessness is most likely the product of mental illness, divorce, disasters, and the inability to work and take care of one-self in a normal setting. There are two solutions: the "meh" approach where the status quo continues - some people are always going to be homeless, take personal responsibility, and if you are mentally incapacitated, too bad, because you're responsible; and the "do something" approach which are attempts to treat these people and give them a leg up on life which takes taxpayer dollars. Of course, in my opinion, those taxpayer dollars would be well-spent on prevention programs and would keep these people out of prison and improve property values.
Quote: HunterhillReading a magazine last night there was a small picture, I reached out to enlarge it with my fingers.Maybe a sign that I've been using my phone too much.
Does it mean I use my phone too much when I read your post and couldnt figure out what the issue was?
Quote: RigondeauxI occasionally attempt to unlock my front door using the remote for my car.
That is awesome.
Quote: RigondeauxI occasionally attempt to unlock my front door using the remote for my car.
Isn't this normal?
Quote: RigondeauxI occasionally attempt to unlock my front door using the remote for my car.
If not, why not?
Quote: MrVI wonder whether there a similar homelessness problem in other developed western countries such as Norway, Scotland and Denmark?
If not, why not?
They have a higher percentage of whites and, therefore, a higher IQ in their overall population.
Quote: GWAEI have spent more time off strip this trip than normal. Prices are really completely different as people say. Currently doing the 6.99 steak and eggs at ellis island.
I bet it's 10 or 20 percent savings just buying stuff.
