2016 Election
Quote: TwirdmanOK so Martin Bashir should be removed from the air what do you feel about Rush Limbaugh. He has said far more offensive things then Martin Bashir and yes I agree with you that what Bashir said was despicable, deserving to be firing questionable but I understand it, but why the double standard. I mean you don't like what he said why not just change the channel as you said Republicans do. Oh and I'm not a fan of Mahr not that funny but trust me plenty have called for his removal like Palin after Mahr said retard.
What has Rush said that is so despicable? Give me some examples where you believe he's lied. I listen to Rush from time-to-time. I doubt you do. I don't always agree with Rush, but he pretty much reflects my and millions of others' conservative beliefs and opinions.
I also listen to/watch liberal talk shows, like Chris Mathews, although I find him overbearing, rude and obnoxious, especially to his guests. But he frequently raises some good points and causes one to think, which is what any good program host should do.
I've tried to watch Ed Schultz. What a clown. Completely over the top. Talk about liars. And far more insulting than Martin Bashir. And just downright dumb to boot.
Rachel Madcow. Tried to watch her show a couple of times. Gave up. Just goes to show that even highly educated people can be complete morons.
And to be fair, there are rightwing talk show hosts that I don't like, such as Michael Savage. I can also only take Mark Levin in small doses. I consider him the rightwing equivalent of Chris Mathews.
Quote: PaboWhat has Rush said that is so despicable? Give me some examples where you believe he's lied. I listen to Rush from time-to-time. I doubt you do. I don't always agree with Rush, but he pretty much reflects my and millions of others' conservative beliefs and opinions.
I also listen to/watch liberal talk shows, like Chris Mathews, although I find him overbearing, rude and obnoxious, especially to his guests. But he frequently raises some good points and causes one to think, which is what any good program host should do.
I've tried to watch Ed Schultz. What a clown. Completely over the top. Talk about liars. And far more insulting than Martin Bashir. And just downright dumb to boot.
Rachel Madcow. Tried to watch her show a couple of times. Gave up. Just goes to show that even highly educated people can be complete morons.
And to be fair, there are rightwing talk show hosts that I don't like, such as Michael Savage. I can also only take Mark Levin in small doses. I consider him the rightwing equivalent of Chris Mathews.
Really you don't know where Rush has been incredibly offensive. How about the 3 days where he repeatedly called Sandra Fluke a whore and said since we were paying for her birth control she should do porn. Here are two of the quotes
"It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."
"If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it, and I'll tell you what it is: We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."
Also seriously how uninformed is he about birth control, you don't take it for every sexual encounter it is just once a day. I mean a happily married woman who has sex once a month needs the same amount of birth control bills as someone who has sex with 20 different guys a day.
Or theres the time he basically called a 12 year old Chelsea Clinton a dog. Or there is his insistence of constantly calling feminist feminazis.
Or “President Obama should take his daughters to the airport and let the TSA grope them” or there was him saying Michael J. Fox was basically faking the symptoms of his parkinsons to get money for the cause. Need I go on. Martin Bashir made one incredibly offensive comment, and it was incredbily offensive, Rush makes a show out of making incredibly offensive comments.
Quote: PaboI almost forgot: Alex Jones. Now that's one scary individual. Way off in another universe. Way, way to the right. Off the charts.
The truth is guys like Alex Jones aren't really right or left wing they are simply crazy wing. Alex Jones attacks both liberal and conservative presidents because he is massively paranoid.
Quote: TwirdmanThe truth is guys like Alex Jones aren't really right or left wing they are simply crazy wing. Alex Jones attacks both liberal and conservative presidents because he is massively paranoid.
Yep, I agree. Conspiracy nut jobs like he are apolitical. They are antigovernment. Not really rightwing or leftwing. Whole other category altogether.
+1Quote: PaboI'm not mocking. Jeez, lighten up, guy. Then again, a lack of a sense of humor does appear to be a characteristic of most liberals/progressives/Democrats that I know.
+1Quote: EvenBobNo, if a Republican doesn't like abortion she makes sure
she doesn't get pregnant in the first place.
If a Republican doesn't like drugs it doesn't matter, they're
against the law anyway.
If a Republican see's a president break the law, he calls for
his impeachment, as should the Democrats.
Republicans are about personal responsibility, the Left
is about no responsibility. Blame others, blame Bush,
but never blame them.
Quote: Twirdman
"It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."
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That was classic stuff, that was the old Rush,
the Feminazi Rush we don't hear anymore.
He was being tongue in cheek about Sandra
Fluke and the Left went berzerk. That's why
he did it, duh, he leads them around like
zombies and they don't even know it. Why
do you think we love him so much.
Quote: EvenBobNo, if a Republican doesn't like abortion she makes sure
she doesn't get pregnant in the first place.
If a Republican doesn't like drugs it doesn't matter, they're
against the law anyway.
If a Republican see's a president break the law, he calls for
his impeachment, as should the Democrats.
Republicans are about personal responsibility, the Left
is about no responsibility. Blame others, blame Bush,
but never blame them.
If all a Republican has to do is not get pregnant in the first place why do so many seem hell bent on making it difficult as possible to get an abortion.
Quote: EvenBobThat was classic stuff, that was the old Rush,
the Feminazi Rush we don't hear anymore.
He was being tongue in cheek about Sandra
Fluke and the Left went berzerk. That's why
he did it, duh, he leads them around like
zombies and they don't even know it. Why
do you think we love him so much.
He blamed feminazis in 2012 for shrinking pensises don't know what you consider old Rush but less then 2 years old hardly qualifies. And seriously what he said oh just being tongue and cheek give him a pass yet what Bashir said definitely have to fire him.
Quote: TwirdmanIf all a Republican has to do is not get pregnant in the first place why do so many seem hell bent on making it difficult as possible to get an abortion.
Because you already have enough choices. You
choose to have sex. You choose to have unprotected
sex, usually a lot more than once. And then you
want the choice of punishing the poor kid who is the result
of all your bad choices. It has to stop somewhere.
That's a real human person in that womb, they've
proven it again and again.
Quote: TwirdmanHe blamed feminazis in 2012 for shrinking pensises don't know what you consider old Rush but less then 2 years old hardly qualifies. And seriously what he said oh just being tongue and cheek give him a pass yet what Bashir said definitely have to fire him.
He still uses the word at times, but he used it
every day 20 years ago. He had FemiNazi
updates almost every day. But that whole
movement has kind of died out, they're no
fun to mock anymore. In the 90's they
were off the wall loons, I miss those days..
Quote: TwirdmanReally you don't know where Rush has been incredibly offensive. How about the 3 days where he repeatedly called Sandra Fluke a whore and said since we were paying for her birth control she should do porn. Here are two of the quotes
"It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."
"If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it, and I'll tell you what it is: We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."
Also seriously how uninformed is he about birth control, you don't take it for every sexual encounter it is just once a day. I mean a happily married woman who has sex once a month needs the same amount of birth control bills as someone who has sex with 20 different guys a day.
Or theres the time he basically called a 12 year old Chelsea Clinton a dog. Or there is his insistence of constantly calling feminist feminazis.
Or “President Obama should take his daughters to the airport and let the TSA grope them” or there was him saying Michael J. Fox was basically faking the symptoms of his parkinsons to get money for the cause. Need I go on. Martin Bashir made one incredibly offensive comment, and it was incredbily offensive, Rush makes a show out of making incredibly offensive comments.
Come on, now I know you haven't even listened to his show. You are simply passing along some quotes that others have identified. If you had listened to his show, you would have known the context of his comments. At best, you've simply listened to or read quotes of sound bites that others have recorded and passed along. From Youtube? Leftwing media?
I was listening to Rush when he talked about Sandra Fluke. I winced when I heard his comment. He later apologized after the uproar. Even lost one of his major sponsors over the matter. However, I agree with the major point that he was trying to make--however politically incorrect--that Ms. Fluke was advocating taxpayers pay for birth control (condoms, pilss, etc.). Taking other peoples' money (albeit to buy condoms, etc.) to have sex. Which is the definition of a prostitute. Why the hell should I, you or anyone else pay for someone else's birth control? If they want to have sex, great, go for it. But why should taxpayers pay to make sure they don't get pregnant? Where's the individual responsibility for one's own actions? And he's well informed about birth control. He's making a point, one which appears to have gone over your head or you're intentionally mischaracterizing.
I agree with his comments about feminazis. Again, you'd have to listen to his point in context, which you apparently haven't. He's attacking an idea, not an individual.
The point about letting the TSA grope President' Obama's daughters was not directed at them, personally. You should know that. It was about a bigger issue: The TSA's treatment of passengers.
I agree with you about Michael J. Fox and Chelsea Clinton. Frankly, he was right about Chelsea, but shouldn't have said what he did in public.
But I don't see where he lied. You've called him a liar. None of your examples above are lies, per se.
He could read the phone book and make it sound interesting.
He's animated and uses his voice like an instrument. Who else
has a 3 hour show with no guests and can keep such a
huge audience entertained. He also has an off the charts
genius IQ, which doesn't hurt.
Quote: PaboYep, I agree. Conspiracy nut jobs like he are apolitical. They are antigovernment. Not really rightwing or leftwing. Whole other category altogether.
The sad thing is that if a true "political Jesus" graced us with his presence, we would never know. Any man that came to the table with real solution for our real problems, that pandered to neither side nor lobbies nor corporations, that focused on our true image rather than the Potemkin villages built by our current leaders, would be so undramatic as to garner no attention whatsoever.
We are drawn to the dramatic. The Limbaughs, the Coulters, the Frankens, the Olbermans. We're attracted to the pomp, even when we know it's fake. We seek it out, we let it in, and as must happen, we eventually become it. We say we want real. Yet all we seek is fake.
And we get exactly what we ask for.
Quote: TwirdmanIf all a Republican has to do is not get pregnant in the first place why do so many seem hell bent on making it difficult as possible to get an abortion.
Remember this, Twirdman. In order to have an abortion, someone has to die. Ironic in a way: that Democrats are so much for ensuring freedom of choice. What choice does the fetus in a woman's womb have? Abortion is a very personal--and I'm sure difficult--decision for a woman to take. Anyway, abortion is the law of the land. However, no where does it state that taxpayers should pay for it. I don't see why taxpayers should pay for abortions. Why is that fair?
Quote: EvenBobBecause you already have enough choices. You
choose to have sex. You choose to have unprotected
sex, usually a lot more than once. And then you
want the choice of punishing the poor kid who is the result
of all your bad choices. It has to stop somewhere.
That's a real human person in that womb, they've
proven it again and again.
Again though you didn't necessarily choose to have sex since there could be rape. Say you did choose to have sex doesn't mean you chose to have unprotected sex since condoms do occasionally break. Also there is not a person in there there is a mass of cells. You can argue its a potential person but it is not a person anymore then "It was the best of times," is a novel.
Quote: PaboRemember this, Twirdman. In order to have an abortion, someone has to die. Ironic in a way: that Democrats are so much for ensuring freedom of choice. What choice does the fetus in a woman's womb have? Abortion is a very personal--and I'm sure difficult--decision for a woman to take. Anyway, abortion is the law of the land. However, no where does it state that taxpayers should pay for it. I don't see why taxpayers should pay for abortions. Why is that fair?
Taxpayers don't pay for abortion. You want to remove federal funding of abortion you've succeeded a transvaginal ultrasound has nothing to do with taxpayers not paying for it. Neither does arbitrarily closing down abortion clinics.
Quote: TwirdmanAgain though you didn't necessarily choose to have sex since there could be rape. Say you did choose to have sex doesn't mean you chose to have unprotected sex since condoms do occasionally break. l.
But 99% of abortions aren't from rape, are they.
And 99.9% of condoms work just fine, don't they.
And that's all you are is a mass of cells, aren't you.
Your arguments are flaccid and have no merit.
Quote: EvenBobThe thing about Rush is, he has a great radio personality.
He could read the phone book and make it sound interesting.
He's animated and uses his voice like an instrument. Who else
has a 3 hour show with no guests and can keep such a
huge audience entertained. He also has an off the charts
genius IQ, which doesn't hurt.
Yep. Liberals get so wound up over what Rush says and lose sight of the fact that most of the time he's doing it intentionally just to get a rise from them. Making the audience dance to his tune. Part entertainer, part political commentator. Very talented. Not bad for a college dropout. Leftwing hammers him for his political views, but makes no mention of his humanitarian efforts. The way Democrats talk, there's good in all of us. Unless, of course, you're a Republican.
Quote: EvenBobBut 99% of abortions aren't from rape, are they.
And 99.9% of condoms work just fine, don't they.
And that's all you are is a mass of cells, aren't you.
Your arguments are flaccid and have no merit.
Doesn't matter. Also no condoms are no where near that effective its 98% with perfect use and closer to 85% with standard use. And no I'm quite a bit more than a fetus even if you get rid of the fact I am clearly capable of thought and the fetus isn't I am also capable of living outside a womb. Why should the woman be force to have a fetus inside her that she doesn't want.
Quote: TwirdmanAnd no I'm quite a bit more than a fetus
Not really, just more advanced. Ever watch a 5 month old
fetus on live untrasound? You'll be absolutely convinced
that's a real person in there, it's undeniable. It chills you
the first time you see it in person when you think there
are people who don't consider this a human being.
Quote: EvenBobNot really, just more advanced. Ever watch a 5 month old
fetus on live untrasound? You'll be absolutely convinced
that's a real person in there, it's undeniable. It chills you
the first time you see it in person when you think there
are people who don't consider this a human being.
Your neglecting the obvious thing I pointed out it is not viable outside the womb so it is not a person.
Quote: TwirdmanYour neglecting the obvious thing I pointed out it is not viable outside the womb so it is not a person.
...because if it is not yet a person, but will soon become one, we can kill it.
At least admit that is what you are doing--killing what will soon be a person--a mass of cells, as you say, on the way to being just like you.
I'm all for that. That's one less screaming brat sitting behind me in the airplane on my trip to Vegas or better yet for the Conservatives out there, one less kid on the welfares.Quote: RonC...because if it is not yet a person, but will soon become one, we can kill it.
At least admit that is what you are doing--killing what will soon be a person--a mass of cells, as you say, on the way to being just like you.
Quote: RonC...because if it is not yet a person, but will soon become one, we can kill it.
At least admit that is what you are doing--killing what will soon be a person--a mass of cells, as you say, on the way to being just like you.
I did say it was a potential person and yeah you are killing it. But there is a big gulf both physical and ethically between potentiality and reality.
Also what is with Republicans focus on potential children and not actual children. Can't have an abortion that kills a potential person. Yet they have no problem not providing material assistance to families with young children which could lead to starvation and death. They have no problem going to war even though that has much potential for death both soldiers and civilians. I mean its one one things to argue a potential life is worth as much as an actual life and that can almost be argued but republicans seem to think potential lives are more valuable than actual lives and that's insane.
Quote: FaceThe sad thing is that if a true "political Jesus" graced us with his presence, we would never know. Any man that came to the table with real solution for our real problems, that pandered to neither side nor lobbies nor corporations, that focused on our true image rather than the Potemkin villages built by our current leaders, would be so undramatic as to garner no attention whatsoever.
We are drawn to the dramatic. The Limbaughs, the Coulters, the Frankens, the Olbermans. We're attracted to the pomp, even when we know it's fake. We seek it out, we let it in, and as must happen, we eventually become it. We say we want real. Yet all we seek is fake.
And we get exactly what we ask for.
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies" UKA
Quote: TwirdmanTaxpayers don't pay for abortion. You want to remove federal funding of abortion you've succeeded a transvaginal ultrasound has nothing to do with taxpayers not paying for it. Neither does arbitrarily closing down abortion clinics.
But taxpayer funds do pay for abortions. Planned Parentlhood receives federal funds. Planned Parenthood is the largest promoter and provider of abortions: almost 290,000 in 2006 alone, or approximately 23% of all abortions in the US. And for the record, I don't support closing down abortion clinics.
Quote: TwirdmanWhy should the woman be force to have a fetus inside her that she doesn't want.
Really? It's all about convenience? That's about as stupid a comment as I've read on this website.
Quote: PaboReally? It's all about convenience? That's about as stupid a comment as I've read on this website.
And the Left is the supposed party of compassion.
Except when it comes to them being inconvenienced,
or giving actual cash to charities. Then they're the
party of 'me first' and to heck with you.
Quote: tournamentkingIf only the left would reach into my pocket four months before yet another 15 yr. old single ghetto mom popped out another gangsta, that's a convenience everybody could live with.
Yes...and the convenient answer to the "ghetto mom" having a kid is to just kill it before it is born. Why don't you just say we should kill the mom, too?
I get it--we have people having babies that shouldn't be having babies, but we haven't aborted our way out of the problem. We never will.
Quote: TwirdmanWhy should the woman be force to have a fetus inside her that she doesn't want.
*facepalm*
Good lord, and there's been talk about this guy running in 2016???? (I don't know how the WoV members in New York can stand him)
Quote: Beethoven9thNew York Gov. Andrew Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York
Good lord, and there's been talk about this guy running in 2016???? (I don't know how the WoV members in New York can stand him)
WE! CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: Beethoven9th*facepalm*
I'm with Beethoven here, *facepalm*. Abortion is murder in my opinion. Though a woman has the right to abort her fetus for any reason, I really find the reason, "I don't want the baby" morally reprehensible.
Obama Says Racial Animus Blunts Approval, New Yorker ReportsQuote: Excerpt from article:President Barack Obama said that racial tensions may have softened his popularity among white voters within the last two years, according to a story posted on the New Yorker magazine’s website today.
Un-freakin-believable!!!
Quote: boymimboI'm with Beethoven here, *facepalm*. Abortion is murder in my opinion. Though a woman has the right to abort her fetus for any reason, I really find the reason, "I don't want the baby" morally reprehensible.
Needs another thread. If it's murder to you, how are you different than some of the German people who decided to do nothing significant even when they knew of the camps?
Eric Rudolf might be one of the heroes of the resistance.
Quote: Beethoven9thObama Says Racial Animus Blunts Approval, New Yorker Reports
Un-freakin-believable!!!
What is unbelievable about the statement “There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” and he tempered it with “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black president,” both of those statements are definitely true. I mean are you honestly going to argue that no one in the country hates Obama specifically because he is black? That is foolish you would have to ignore the existence of racist. One can argue over the relative effect of this on his approval rating but it seems fairly obvious that some people don't like him because of his race.
Quote: TwirdmanOne can argue over the relative effect of this on his approval rating
Yes, that's what I'm arguing, Einstein.
OMG...this is the first time I have to give boymimbo's post:Quote: boymimboI'm with Beethoven here, *facepalm*. Abortion is murder in my opinion. Though a woman has the right to abort her fetus for any reason, I really find the reason, "I don't want the baby" morally reprehensible.
+100!
Quote: TwirdmanQuote: Beethoven9thObama Says Racial Animus Blunts Approval, New Yorker Reports
Un-freakin-believable!!!
What is unbelievable about the statement “There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” and he tempered it with “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black president,” both of those statements are definitely true. I mean are you honestly going to argue that no one in the country hates Obama specifically because he is black? That is foolish you would have to ignore the existence of racist. One can argue over the relative effect of this on his approval rating but it seems fairly obvious that some people don't like him because of his race.
I thought he wasn't liked because he was born in Kenya and is a Muslim fascist. It has nothing to do with him being black LOL *facepalm*.
Quote: boymimboQuote: TwirdmanQuote: Beethoven9thObama Says Racial Animus Blunts Approval, New Yorker Reports
Un-freakin-believable!!!
What is unbelievable about the statement “There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” and he tempered it with “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black president,” both of those statements are definitely true. I mean are you honestly going to argue that no one in the country hates Obama specifically because he is black? That is foolish you would have to ignore the existence of racist. One can argue over the relative effect of this on his approval rating but it seems fairly obvious that some people don't like him because of his race.
I thought he wasn't liked because he was born in Kenya and is a Muslim fascist. It has nothing to do with him being black LOL *facepalm*.
No you have to remember you is a Kenyan Muslim atheist socialist communist fascist empty suit dictator. Never mind that many of those are mutually exclusive that is exactly what he is
Quote: TwirdmanOne can argue over the relative effect of this on his approval rating but it seems fairly obvious that some people don't like him because of his race.
Yeah, he's been office a full five years and
people are just now disliking that he's black.
He's in total denial that his presidency is
a disaster, it has nothing to do with race.
He lost CHER and MADONNA, does he have
to be hit over the head to see what's going
on? High level supporters on the Left want
him out. I mean they want him out NOW.
Quote: EvenBobHe lost CHER and MADONNA
But he's still got BEYONCE!
Dang EB that made me LOL.
You forgot "Teleprompter Reader". That one always makes me laugh.Quote: TwirdmanNo you have to remember he is a Kenyan Muslim atheist socialist communist fascist empty suit dictator. Never mind that many of those are mutually exclusive that is exactly what he is
Quote: djatcAnywhere for odds on a candidate not winning? Or would I just have to bet "Republican", "Male", "Not Hilary Clinton"?
Not sure exactly what you're asking ladbrokers http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/Politics/US-Presidential-ElectionPolitics/US-Presidential-Election-t110000608# allows some bets on outcome and Bovada has odds on party that will win. Think Republican pays even money
Quote: TwirdmanNot sure exactly what you're asking ladbrokers http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/Politics/US-Presidential-ElectionPolitics/US-Presidential-Election-t110000608# allows some bets on outcome and Bovada has odds on party that will win. Think Republican pays even money
I was trying to bet against Hilary Clinton but can't seem to find a place that will book it.
Quote: djatcI was trying to bet against Hilary Clinton but can't seem to find a place that will book it.
Yeah haven't seen place to bet that. Almost a bet I would consider making though there is no chance I'd bet on republican. You could just take the bet on man I mean closest you'll find since if Hillary doesn't win it will almost definitely be a man who wins. This is assuming you don't think Elizabeth Warren will win and I'm willing to bet she won't, other then those two not really any woman who could win.
Play the race card. Point fingers and blame others for obstruction rather than admit maybe they've screwed up and messed things up. That's what Democrats do best to deflect and excuse themselves for their failures. Boo hoo hoo. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Don't get me wrong. Even though I'm a staunch conservative and registered Republican, I'm as pissed off with the Repbulican leadership as much as I am with the Democrat leadership. Enough with playing politics. This country's in a mess. Sadly, it seems that we don't have adults with maturity, judgment or just common sense enough to want to work for the good of the country, rather than the good of their political party.
