Decision 2012
Quote: duffytootxI apologize if I have offended anyone, unless they are Japanese.
How fitting from a 'tolerant' Obama supporter. (Especially one who has forgotten about the 442nd Regimental Combat Team)
Quote: duffytootxI'm going to make my final comment on this. I hope I'm still around in 4 years to see Hillary (and Bill) at her inauguration.
I'm pretty sure Hils doesn't run (not because she is or isn't a babe), and if she does, she doesn't get the nomination. She's too close to the Obama adminstration and I suspect the Democrats will need some fresh wheels on the bus for the next campaign.
I await to see if the Republicans can get their act together in the next 4 years and field a candidate that promotes to their strengths, rather than -appearing- to appease their weaknesses.
Quote: thecesspitI'm pretty sure Hils doesn't run (not because she is or isn't a babe),
Is or isn't? Shall I start a poll? LOL! My granny didn't look half
this bad at 65 and she still terrified me with her turkey neck.
Quote: thecesspitI'm pretty sure Hils doesn't run (not because she is or isn't a babe), and if she does, she doesn't get the nomination. She's too close to the Obama adminstration and I suspect the Democrats will need some fresh wheels on the bus for the next campaign.
I await to see if the Republicans can get their act together in the next 4 years and field a candidate that promotes to their strengths, rather than -appearing- to appease their weaknesses.
I keep telling a buddy, Hillary will go nowhere for the same reason Obama beat her in 2008, she represents the past and not the future.
GOP has lots of govenorships now to build from. Plenty of time. On Only once since WWII has a party won after 8 years in power.
Quote: AZDuffmanI keep telling a buddy, Hillary will go nowhere
I totally believe she'll get the nomination. Her and
Bill run the party, never think for a minute that
Obama does. From what you hear he barely runs
his own staff, let alone the party. They LOVE Bill,
did you hear the reception he got when he walked
on stage at the Golden Globes, unannounced? There's
not another person on the planet who could get
an ovation like that from that crowd, not even Obama.
Quote: EvenBobLets see, Hill, babe that she is, will be 69 in 2016,
70 in 2017. Fine and foxy as she looks in a pantsuit
now, she ought to look smashing in another 4 years.
Imagine what she looks like WITHOUT makeup.. Poor
Bill..
One more time!
In 4 years she may still be the most respected woman in the world, as in the past 11 years. I guess I haven't based my respect for her, or anyone else for that matter, on her looks. Pretty much the same as I do for members of this forum.
Quote: Beethoven9thHow fitting from a 'tolerant' Obama supporter. (Especially one who has forgotten about the 442nd Regimental Combat Team)
I thought they were Japanese-Americans. Perhaps I am wrong.
Doesn't change how I feel.
Quote: thecesspitI'm pretty sure Hils doesn't run (not because she is or isn't a babe), and if she does, she doesn't get the nomination.
I'm pretty sure she'll run. She won't get the nomination, but people enamored of power don't let go of it just because they should.
Quote:She's too close to the Obama adminstration and I suspect the Democrats will need some fresh wheels on the bus for the next campaign.
Isn't she due to be replaced? Four years is eternity squared in politics.
Quote:I await to see if the Republicans can get their act together in the next 4 years and field a candidate that promotes to their strengths, rather than -appearing- to appease their weaknesses.
Oh, that's so funny! :)
Quote: duffytootx
In 4 years she may still be the most respected woman in the world, as in the past 11 years..
You think Mrs Clinton is the most respected woman
in the world? By who? For what? For staying married
to the philanderer? What else has she done that
anybody would respect her for.
Quote: duffytootxDoesn't change how I feel.
Doesn't change how people should feel about you, either.
she's 69, in the WH, with 4 years to go? Shudder..
Quote: TheNightflyWhy don't you post a photo of the dried up bag of skin that married you so we can make fun of her and her husband?
Wow. So much hate, so much rage.
Quote: EvenBobWow. So much hate, so much rage.
And so much bullsh*t still coming from you.
Hey, gorgeous, how about saying this, but in context
Quote: EvenBobI was wrong
(here's the original
I bet you don't have the guts to. Oh, that's right, we all remember you have a "no internet betting" rule. It's a pity you don't have a "should be ashamed to reappear at the WOV forum without acknowledging how wrong I was" rule.
No guts.
Quote: EvenBobWow. So much hate, so much rage.
Your obsession with Hilary's looks is very telling.
Quote: stevenzAnd so much bullsh*t still coming from you.
Hey, gorgeous, how about saying this, but in contextQuote: EvenBobI was wrong
(here's the original https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/11186-decision-2012/91/#post194648).
I bet you don't have the guts to. Oh, that's right, we all remember you have a "no internet betting" rule. It's a pity you don't have a "should be ashamed to reappear at the WOV forum without acknowledging how wrong I was" rule.
No guts.
What's going on Steven? You've been a member here for a little over two weeks and your sole purpose seems to be to insult another member. You even worked the election into the Revel non smoking thread just to take a shot. You are certainly entitled to your opinions but not insults and so far have been allowed to call this member gutless and loser among other things. The insult bar may be set higher for EvenBob but try hurling those insults at certain other members and see how quickly the high sheriffs spring into action.
Rather than having a vendetta against EvenBob I'm thinking that you could just be very passionate about the subjects you discuss. Am I right?
Quote: EvenBobThis is from yesterday. Can you imagine this when
she's 69, in the WH, with 4 years to go? Shudder..
Don't worry, Bob. History has shown that America mostly chooses leaders who are charismatic. I wonder if you would have said the same thing if, say, Nancy Reagan decided to take a shot at the white house. I could see your response:
"I don't see why looks has
anything to do with the person
being elected."
Quote: boymimboDon't worry, Bob. History has shown that America mostly chooses leaders who are charismatic. I wonder if you would have said the same thing if, say, Nancy Reagan decided to take a shot at the white house.
She wouldn't have had a chance. I'm not in favor
of women leaders anyway. Of countries mean.
So much of the world has a macho attitde, they
just don't get the respect they need. You really
thinl all the women Sec of States we've had in
the last 20 years got the respect they needed
in half the countries they visited? They were
laughed at behind their backs and we were looked
at as weak. I don't like Kerry, but he'll be a helluva
lot more effective than Ms Pantsuit.
see, looks like we're in for some entertainment in Barry's
2nd term, and lots of it. Who woulda thought, huh.. Is
there more news to come, some say this is just the tip of
the iceberg. Pass the popcorn..
Quote: EvenBobWas Obama and his minions in the news this week? Lets
see, looks like we're in for some entertainment in Barry's
2nd term, and lots of it. Who woulda thought, huh.. Is
there more news to come, some say this is just the tip of
the iceberg. Pass the popcorn..
IMPEACH!!!!!
Quote: s2dbaker
IMPEACH!!!!!
Obama or anybody in his administration had no idea
an umbrella was being used, just ask them. They read
about everything on Drudge, just like we do.
Quote: Beethoven9thI had mentioned in another thread that Romney's biggest mistake was giving Obama a pass on Benghazi, and I still believe it today. Thanks a lot, Mitt.
In a way its good Romney's not there. The investigation of
this holy mess will eat up the rest of Obama's 3 years and
it would have happened if Romney would have won too. Who
needs all the crap thats coming taking all the wind out of
the sails of a new president.
Quote: Beethoven9thI agree that Romney is no Thomas Jefferson, but he would have at least stopped the bleeding.
I can only hope I bleed so much for the next three years.
Quote: s2dbaker
I can only hope I bleed so much for the next three years.
This will be the Obama defense: Breaking the law is worth
it if it gets you what you want. That's how Nixon and his
boys felt, and what Obama did pales in comparison to a
little campaign office break in.
Quote: s2dbakerI can only hope I bleed so much for the next three years.
I just pray that you don't bleed as much as Ambassador Stevens.
Other Presidents have had their umbrellas held up by Marines. I don't see the scandal here.Quote: EvenBobThis will be the Obama defense: Breaking the law is worth
it if it gets you what you want. That's how Nixon and his
boys felt, and what Obama did pales in comparison to a
little campaign office break in.
Quote: Beethoven9th(Then again, he got almost 66 million votes, so maybe the country does deserve him!)
The newest budget was released April 10, 2013. As always, the previous fiscal year 2012, which ended 6 months ago (30 Sep 2012) had it's deficit go up by 11%, Considering that they can never get the previous year even close, it always seems funny that the budget gets predicted ten years into the future. What is the point?
But, brighter days are ahead! In two years the budget defecit will be cut in half and will be well below a trillion dollars. Unless , of course, the numbers get adjusted.
Deficit in billions of dollars.
Fiscal New Previous
2011 $1,300 $1,300
2012 $1,211 $1,087 (up by 11%
2013 $991 $973
2014 $661 $744
2015 $595 $576
2016 $615 $528
2017 $576 $487
2018 $543 $475
2019 $578
2020 $604
2021 $627
2022 $652
the wings. Taking the 5th was the worst thing that IRS
woman could have done. Its going to be a glorious
summer..
happening in his own administration. Fast and Furious?
Huh, what? Libya? Whaaaa? IRS? News to me, I'm
outraged.. He's sounding just like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibDMGxiyJw
President Shultz..
Quote: Beethoven9thThe sad part is that I doubt the 65 million people who voted for him even care about Benghazi, the IRS scandal, or the journalists on his black list. I hope I'm wrong though.
The blacklist is openly applauded... and frankly, from the general cheers when Mumbles and Rahm threatened to deny licenses to Chick-Fil-A, I would say the IRS "scandal" (what scandal? It's being taken as seriously as birtherism) is merely less openly applauded.
Then again, I have to say I don't disbelieve him regarding the IRS or Benghazi. I see no reasons he'd know anything about the inner workings of the IRS on this level, and regarding Benghazi he jumped to conclusions with everyone else, both inside and outside his administration. (Including, I might add, quite a few of his more virulent critics banging on about how the "'religion of peace' can't tolerate a silly video/THE TRUTH.")
Quote: Beethoven9thThe sad part is that I doubt the 65 million people who voted for him even care about Benghazi, the IRS scandal, or the journalists on his black list. I hope I'm wrong though.
I'm one of the 65 mil. You're right, I could care less about Benghazi in a political context. Its terrible what happened but what's that got to do with politics. If this happened during a republican admin, the right wing would be singing a different tune. The IRS scandal, I'm just slightly disturbed. If you got nothing to hide, who cares if the IRS is looking at you. If I was targeted, I'd just shrug, I'm honest, I pay my taxes. The problem is not enough investigators and the rich and huge companies not paying their fair share. Journalists , yes I'm outraged. I thought he was better then that, I was wrong. Power corrupts every President to a certain extent and it appears Obama is no different. Kind of reminds me of Nixon. Boy he hated the press, especially Wash Post.
The bottom line is Obama will be the President for the next 3 years and there isn't a single thing the right wing can do about that fact.
Next, Who's gonna beat Hillary in 2016. A republican? Impossible without the Hispanic vote. Rubio? Hard right wing will bloody him in the primaries.
If you're right wing, the odds are for a Repub president, maybe 2024 if the party changes and moves right center instead of far right .
An Independent living in the key I4 corridor in battleground state Florida
Quote: terapinedIf you got nothing to hide, who cares if the IRS is looking at you.
Thats how the Soviet Union felt about the rights
of their citizens! "You hiding something, comrade?
If not, why do you care what we do."
By your logic, we have no rights, the gov't should
be able to do what they like. Unfortunately for
those with that mindset, the Constitution is still in
effect. For the present, anyway.
They did:Quote: terapinedIf this happened during a republican admin, the right wing would be singing a different tune.
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
The IRS was making an effort to screen out political entities from attaining 501(c)(4) tax exempt status. A status that they are not entitled to. Someone, rightly so, said that groups using "Tea Party" in their name should get a second look. Good policy but poor results in that all of the "Tea Party" groups got their tax exempt status despite being primarily political entities. The IRS was actually trying to do its job. The real scandal is the IRS' failure to screen out these "Tea Party" political groups.Quote: terapinedThe IRS scandal, I'm just slightly disturbed.
Quote: EvenBobThats how the Soviet Union felt about the rights
of their citizens! "You hiding something, comrade?
If not, why do you care what we do."
By your logic, we have no rights, the gov't should
be able to do what they like. Unfortunately for
those with that mindset, the Constitution is still in
effect. For the present, anyway.
Are you kidding me. Its the exact opposite I'm not afraid of the IRS because I have rights. The IRS has every right to look at me. Again I shrug. I have rights. I pay my taxes. Because of my rights, there isn't a single thing they can do to me if I have not broken the law. I get a W2, take standard deduction, report every year, What is there to fear? They have to have the right to look at ANYBODY, if they don't have that right, many would not pay their fare share. Its not crazy logic its common sense.
Quote: terapinedThe IRS has every right to look at me.
Because you're a member of a political group? Because you
donated to a specific candidate? Because you oppose the
current administration?
Are you sure the IRS has the 'right' to do that? Could you
find it for me?
Quote: EvenBobBecause you're a member of a political group? Because you
donated to a specific candidate? Because you oppose the
current administration?
Are you sure the IRS has the 'right' to do that? Could you
find it for me?
The IRS has a right to look at me because I'm a Independent deadhead that is pretty much disgusted by all far right and far left politics. IRS hated deadheads, The huge t-shirt cash business in the parking lot of concerts back in the day. Lets not forget all the drug sales :-) You know the IRS never got a piece of that action. cmon, lighten up. Come out of the bunker, the sun is shining, relax, take a bong hit, and pretty soon you will realize the boogie man isn't after you.
Peace
Quote: terapinedThe IRS has a right to look at me because I'm a Independent deadhead that is pretty much disgusted by all far right and far left politics.
No, I'm afraid it doesn't. Being a member of a political
party doesn't violate any IRS rules, so they have no
right to look at you. What and who do you think the
IRS is, exactly. Hint: Its not a Gestapo, its not the Secret
Service.
Quote: EvenBobReal Clear Politics has the Repubs at 229 Dems at 183
tossup's at 23. So if the Dems take all the tossup's (they
won't) they still aren't even close.
Senate 48 D 44R 8Tossup Now that will be close.
Did Romney end up getting 229 Bob?
Quote: terapinedI'm one of the 65 mil. You're right, I could care less about Benghazi in a political context. Its terrible what happened but what's that got to do with politics. If this happened during a republican admin, the right wing would be singing a different tune. The IRS scandal, I'm just slightly disturbed. If you got nothing to hide, who cares if the IRS is looking at you. If I was targeted, I'd just shrug, I'm honest, I pay my taxes. The problem is not enough investigators and the rich and huge companies not paying their fair share.
Quote: terapinedI'm not afraid of the IRS because I have rights. The IRS has every right to look at me. Again I shrug. I have rights. I pay my taxes. Because of my rights, there isn't a single thing they can do to me if I have not broken the law.
*facepalm*
Quote: terapinedThey have to have the right to look at ANYBODY
Then how come they didn't scrutinize liberal groups?
Quote: EvenBobNo, I'm afraid it doesn't. Being a member of a political
party doesn't violate any IRS rules, so they have no
right to look at you. What and who do you think the
IRS is, exactly. Hint: Its not a Gestapo, its not the Secret
Service.
Ok Bob. I tried humor . not working. Ok, here's the cold reality, When Dems appoint Treasury Sec, IRS looks at right wing. When Repubs appoint Treasury Sec, IRS looks at the left wing. Its called power and corruption. Your just living on the wrong side of the cycle, Crying about it aint gonna change jack. This is the cold hard reality. Dem or Repub, Left or right, power corrupts absolutely. On a lighter note, take a bong hit, forget about all this, and it will all actually go away. Trust me, the Govt wont be knocking down your door anytime soon.
On another lighter note. I'm a gambler. What else would I be doing here. With Evenbob at an amazing 10,570 posts, I'll bet I don't get the last word lol
Peace Bob
Ed the Deadhead
Quote: s2dbakerThe IRS was making an effort to screen out political entities from attaining 501(c)(4) tax exempt status.
Let me fix that:
"The IRS was making an effort to screen out political entities opponents from attaining 501(c)(4) tax exempt status."
There, that's better.
Quote: terapinedThe IRS scandal, I'm just slightly disturbed. If you got nothing to hide, who cares if the IRS is looking at you. If I was targeted, I'd just shrug, I'm honest, I pay my taxes.
Everyone has something to hide, whether they know it or not. No lawyer in this country would endorse what you just said. The law, especially where taxes are concerned, is literally unknowable in a way that would make Justinian pale, a way that goes beyond human limitations - due to our common law system, if you literally had every word memorized (and, of course, their legal definitions), and every word of every state and local law, and every court case, and all this of every authority on Earth we recognize as legitimate, you still couldn't say for certain how you would fare with an honest, similarly omniscient judge. Take all that out of the equation and it gets much worse. Executive discretion is a powerful tool, and can be a powerful weapon.
Quote: terapinedThe problem is not enough investigators and the rich and huge companies not paying their fair share.
Of course. This whole thing was a sting against the Koch brothers. How did I not see it?
Quote: s2dbakerThe IRS was making an effort to screen out political entities from attaining 501(c)(4) tax exempt status. A status that they are not entitled to. Someone, rightly so, said that groups using "Tea Party" in their name should get a second look. Good policy but poor results in that all of the "Tea Party" groups got their tax exempt status despite being primarily political entities. The IRS was actually trying to do its job. The real scandal is the IRS' failure to screen out these "Tea Party" political groups.
Riiight. Maybe the fact that they were specifically targeted, but (I remember reading, could be wrong) literally not a single one got the hose, should tell you that your automatic cries of "CORRUPTION! ASTROTURF! PLUTOCRACY!" might not be quite borne out by reality this one time?
Quote: terapinedWhen Dems appoint Treasury Sec, IRS looks at right wing. When Repubs appoint Treasury Sec, IRS looks at the left wing. Its called power and corruption.
So there was a Bush scandal about the IRS doing that?
I don't remember it, could you post some links?
Thanks.
Not taking sides. However, if you google 2004, Julian Bond, and NAACP you'll see a lot about it.
Further back, google Whoopi Goldberg and the IRS; they came after her when she was dating Ted Danson.
Quote: beachbumbabsNot taking sides. However, if you google 2004, Julian Bond, and NAACP you'll see a lot about it.
One guy during the Bush years is all you can cite?
Under Obama, the IRS scrutinzed about 300 Tea Party groups and ZERO liberal groups.
Quote: Beethoven9thLet me fix that:
"The IRS was making an effort to screen out political entities opponents from attaining 501(c)(4) tax exempt status."
There, that's better.
How do people decide what alternative possibility they wish to believe? It's not a stretch to imagine the IRS took the most convieninet route to suss out a shitload of work created by Citizen United ruling and looked for a way to catorgize requests by keywords.
I mean, yes, the IRS is a secret branch of the Democratic Underground in Rush boob ville land.
