Decision 2012
Quote: WongBo$72 billion in oil industry / energy subsidies from 2002-2008
Are you saying we gave the oil industry $72 billion in checks to their bank accounts? I highly doubt that. My guess is most "energy" subsidy went to firms like Solyndra and legit tax breaks are being called "subsidies."
Ahhhh, good times :)
Quote:In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the White House website, https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.
Critics describe the effort as a bit of an overreaction. “Anyone who wants their state to secede from the union is someone whose brain has already seceded from their body,” said John Andrews, director of the conservative Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University.
Still, the White House may have to take the requests seriously. According to the website, any petition receiving 25,000 online “signatures” on the “We the People” page within 30 days of posting will receive a review by the appropriate executive department and a response from a White House staffer.
As of Monday, the Texas petition had already exceeded the 25,000-signature threshold, and the Louisiana petition was fast approaching the cutoff with more than 18,000 signatures. Most of the petitions were posted online Nov. 10, which means they have until Dec. 10 to qualify for a response.
Read more: Petitions to secede are filed for 23 states since election - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/12/petitions-to-secede-are-filed-for-23-states-since-/#ixzz2C4J9MNLF
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Quote: AZDuffmanAre you saying we gave the oil industry $72 billion in checks to their bank accounts? I highly doubt that. My guess is most "energy" subsidy went to firms like Solyndra and legit tax breaks are being called "subsidies."
AZDuffman, are you fair and balanced?
Though maybe if secession was an easy option, people wouldn't be pushing for it so much.
I don't think reforming US as a confederacy is necessarily a bad idea (not that it's going to happen, but in theory). Big countries and big governments have certain problems - inertia, continued bloating, the impacts of all eggs being in one basket. Maintaining institutions that have to be common as confederate organizations while transferring day to day operations to state governments might improve it.
Quote: Mosca...I voted for John Anderson in '76...
I think you mean 1980?
People can secede right now. They don't need a petition or a gun. They can drive to Guadalajara right now, this very second and secede from the union. It really is that simple. I hope that they do it.Quote: P90Though maybe if secession was an easy option, people wouldn't be pushing for it so much.
Quote: P90
Though maybe if secession was an easy option, people wouldn't be pushing for it so much.
For comedic value, I like the counter petitions to strip the secession petition signatories of their citizenship.
Frighteningly prescient!Quote: rdw4potusSo we're talking about gun control now? :-)Quote: EvenBobHow many babies like this have
been murdered because there were no laws to protect
them from monsters.
Quote: duffytootxThis forum needs to get over it ........ the black guy won. Consider it a win in 4 years, as he can't run for a 3rd term.
What has skin color got to do with anything?
This is something I've been wanting to ask my mother the conservative. She doesn't seem to think that a black guy (she would choose something other than 'black guy') is capable of handling the job of President. The problem is that she's my mother and I don't like upsetting her. So if any other conservative in this forum would like to postulate as to why a black guy is too lazy or incompetent to be President, I'm willing to listen.Quote: AZDuffmanWhat has skin color got to do with anything?
Quote: s2dbakerThis is something I've been wanting to ask my mother the conservative. She doesn't seem to think that a black guy (she would choose something other than 'black guy') is capable of handling the job of President. The problem is that she's my mother and I don't like upsetting her. So if any other conservative in this forum would like to postulate as to why a black guy is too lazy or incompetent to be President, I'm willing to listen.
I haven't heard many conservsatitve really saying this. The ones concerned about skin color are the ones who keep saying "the first black POTUS" as if he did something 43 other men haven't done before as far as getting elected goes.
I do find Obama incompotent on a lot of things, that has to do with his lack of intellectual curiosity and real-world (ie: non-government) experience, not his skin color.
Quote: AZDuffmanI do find Obama incompotent on a lot of things
Really? You're going to use that word and then misspell it to describe someone as lacking intellectual curiosity? How can you accuse the President of lacking intellectual curiosity when you couldn't even conjure up enough to look up how the word incompetent is spelled? You have lost the argument, sir!
JOHN SUNUNU: "What people saw last night was a president that revealed his incompetence, how lazy and detached he is, and how he has absolutely no idea how serious the economic problems of the country are, and how he has failed to even begin to address them."
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/04/real-talk-sununu-calls-president-obama-lazy-and-detached/
The President did not prepare for the first debate as well as he should have. If you are in a debate to retain the office of President, shouldn't you be better prepared for the event than he was?
The "racial" issue was introduced by others because they are listening for anything that they think implies a racial stereotype. That is much easier than actually answering the question or reporting the story.
He won. The ones looking for racial overtones are on his side, not the conservative one. Look at the people that bring it up. Even the ones who bring it up here.
I make my share of spelling errors and typos but I try to get the big words right and if the Googles(sic) underlines a word, I go back and fix it. But seriously! Accusing someone of being lazy and incompetent while posting lazily and incompetently is the very definition of irony.Quote: BeardgoatLol grammar smack talk. Awesome
I didn't say "literally" though, I should get some credit for that.Quote: BeardgoatInsert witty "actually the definition of irony is..." comment here
Quote: AZDuffmanI haven't heard many conservsatitve really saying this. The ones concerned about skin color are the ones who keep saying "the first black POTUS" as if he did something 43 other men haven't done before as far as getting elected goes.
Pardon me for being pedantic, but only 37 other men have been elected President. None of John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur, or Gerald Ford were ever elected President, and Obama being "President 44" counts Grover Cleveland twice (22 and 24).
Quote: s2dbakerQuote: AZDuffmanI do find Obama incompotent on a lot of things
Really? You're going to use that word and then misspell it to describe someone as lacking intellectual curiosity? How can you accuse the President of lacking intellectual curiosity when you couldn't even conjure up enough to look up how the word incompetent is spelled? You have lost the argument, sir!
I admit I cannot spell for crap. However the guy is an empty suit with no intellectual curiosity. He thinks making a speech solves the problem. He thinks raising the debt ceiling is a lack of leadership then demands it be raised no questions asked. And he cannot get a sentence out without a Teleprompter. He compares himself to Lincoln.
I do not see where people think he is so intelligent. He is nothing but average. And he has shown no desire to govern but rather just campaign and attack the other party.
Heck he can't even get a senate of his own party to pass a budget.
I just love rubbing it in to those that I know have some or all of this feeling. Every time I reply it to one of these Texas Republicans, they get visibly upset.
While I am fortunate to be able to afford health care, I applaud the President for giving it to every American.
Skin color only offends those that are easily offended by it. Especially those that only act as if means nothing.
By the way, are there any black Fox reporters? My wife asked me this yesterday and I didn't know the answer.
Quote: duffytootx
By the way, are there any black Fox reporters? My wife asked me this yeasterday and I didn't know the answer.
Is Juan Williams still on Fox?
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd he cannot get a sentence out without a Teleprompter.
Yeah, but it was a neat trick doing those debates with Romney using only a teleprompter. He read an entire biography of Lincoln during the first debate. Slowed him up a bit.
Quote: duffytootxHey I voted twice for the guy. It's just obvious that many redneck, Fox viewers don't like the President because he is black. I have relatives that have always said they won't vote for any black guy. Of course they use a different word for describing him.
I just love rubbing it in to those that I know have some or all of this feeling. Every time I reply it to one of these Texas Republicans, they get visibly upset.
While I am fortunate to be able to afford health care, I applaud the President for giving it to every American.
Skin color only offends those that are easily offended by it. Especially those that only act as if means nothing.
By the way, are there any black Fox reporters? My wife asked me this yeasterday and I didn't know the answer.
And plenty of msnbc viewers voted for him because he is black. Clearly you do not watch Fnc or you would knot Juan Williams works there and you never see the many black guests they have. You would be suprised to learn race does not matter to 99% of Fnc viewers and the racism really comes from the left who demand affirmative action be kept in place and think there is something wrong with the tea party movement because mostly whites show up
Btw: Obama didn't "give health care" to people. He made you and I pay for their health insurance. Health care had always been available to them. Tell your kids or nieces and nephews how great it was for him to do it when they are paying a 50% tax rate while the US dollar is worthless due to inflation because of the socialism Obama has forced on us.
I'm not saying that you are a racist, AZ, but you have to admit that given that segregation just ended (with protest) 40 years ago, there are plenty of white people who watch Fox News who don't like the idea of a black president (or a black anything, unless they are doing your laundry).
Heck, two RNC delegates were thrown out at the convention after throwing peanuts at a black CNN reporter, stating to her "this is how we feed animals".
I'm far from wealthy but I don't mind helping poor people, especially children, with their health care.
Quote: boymimboInteresting comment, AZ. Race does matter to black voters. That's why something like 93% of black voters voted for Obama. 13% of voters are black. Why do you think that white voters wouldn't have a similar prejudice to a white man? Because they're better than African-Americans? I don't buy it.
I'm not saying that you are a racist, AZ, but you have to admit that given that segregation just ended (with protest) 40 years ago, there are plenty of white people who watch Fox News who don't like the idea of a black president (or a black anything, unless they are doing your laundry).
Heck, two RNC delegates were thrown out at the convention after throwing peanuts at a black CNN reporter, stating to her "this is how we feed animals".
Very well said. I'm never as eloquent.
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd plenty of msnbc viewers voted for him because he is black. Clearly you do not watch Fnc or you would knot Juan Williams works there and you never see the many black guests they have. You would be suprised to learn race does not matter to 99% of Fnc viewers and the racism really comes from the left who demand affirmative action be kept in place and think there is something wrong with the tea party movement because mostly whites show up
Btw: Obama didn't "give health care" to people. He made you and I pay for their health insurance. Health care had always been available to them. Tell your kids or nieces and nephews how great it was for him to do it when they are paying a 50% tax rate while the US dollar is worthless due to inflation because of the socialism Obama has forced on us.
I agree with boymimbo's reply. With that said, I am not without prejudice. I don't trust or like some blacks but probably an equal amount of whites.
I am very anti Japanese as I am older and remember Pearl Harbor and how vicious the Japanese were during the war. Some of that was obviously propaganda. But I also heard stories from my cousin and my dad, who was drafted at age 31. They both said the Germans were gentlemen compared to the Japs. Hell, I won't buy anything I think is made in Japan. I really like South Korean products so I guess I'm not too ill thinking of Orientals.
If anyone thinks that there are not strong prejudices against Obama because he is black, I think they are naive. It's not just Republicans versus Democrats. I think it's more than that. But then again ...... I'm one of the 47 percenters.
I probably need to stop venting on this forum. I apologize if I have offended anyone, unless they are Japanese.
Quote: BozI find it interesting when we were against Bill Clinton and his policies, it was political, but when we are against Obama it is because he is black.
Colin Powell said last week that if we call
a black person 'lazy', we're a racist. If
we even recognize a black person as being
black, we're racist. You think I'm joking.
It's also funny that both got a second term. I guess more people agree with their policies than disagree.Quote: BozI find it interesting when we were against Bill Clinton and his policies, it was political, but when we are against Obama it is because he is black.
Quote: TheNightflyIt's also funny that both got a second term. I guess more people agree with their policies than disagree.
As did GW, so we can say the same thing, right?
Why would anyone be surprised of a cultural bias against black people in America when there was segregation not even 40 years ago? There is a generation of older white Americans who grew up in this society. Some of them watch FoxNews. That's my point.
I don't agree with the generalizations either that people didn't vote for him because he was black. For the most part, the election race was about issues and not race. Most people cast their vote (including most viewers of FNC) based on the issues and not the color of the skin or his singing voice. Some did not.
With Clinton, there was a lack of opportunity, but when the opportunity knocks, the conservatives pounce.Quote: BozI find it interesting when we were against Bill Clinton and his policies, it was political, but when we are against Obama it is because he is black.
Feel free to tell me how this sign makes any sense under a Bill Clinton presidency.
Quote: s2dbaker
Feel free to tell me how this sign makes any sense under a Bill Clinton Presidency?
I remember spending a lot of time in the late '90s talking about Clinton's monkey...;-)
Quote: boymimboInteresting comment, AZ. Race does matter to black voters. That's why something like 93% of black voters voted for Obama. 13% of voters are black. Why do you think that white voters wouldn't have a similar prejudice to a white man? Because they're better than African-Americans? I don't buy it.
It was more like 97-98% of blacks went for Obama. If the white vote fell along racial lines the same way Obama would have carried D.C. and that would have been about it.
Quote:I'm not saying that you are a racist, AZ, but you have to admit that given that segregation just ended (with protest) 40 years ago, there are plenty of white people who watch Fox News who don't like the idea of a black president (or a black anything, unless they are doing your laundry).
No, I do not admit it, and I dislike your implication that FNC viewers are a bunch of racists, and you probably think they sit around all day and tell "balck jokes" to each other, right?
If this were the case then Herman Cain would not have reached any popularity. Clarence Thomas would be hated by the right.
What makes me sick is how everyone on the left thinks Obama is so great that "the only reason you can be against him is because he is black!" The fact is those who dislike Obama can usually go on and on with reasons of his personality and policies they do not care for. His supporters rarely make it beyond "he's great!" or "he gives such good speeches."
Quote:Heck, two RNC delegates were thrown out at the convention after throwing peanuts at a black CNN reporter, stating to her "this is how we feed animals".
And Donna Brazille, one of the high-ups on Al Gore's campaign, called Bush a "cracker." Joe Biden claimed Wall Street wanted to bring back slavery. Your point?
Quote: AZDuffman
No, I do not admit it, and I dislike your implication that FNC viewers are a bunch of racists, and you probably think they sit around all day and tell "balck jokes" to each other, right?
Well, Ok. Racists exist. Racists watch cable news programming. What channel do you think they watch? You think they're watching MSNBC? C'mon. This is an argument you can't possibly hope to win. Racists do not comprise a majority of FNC viewers, but a majority of racists almost certainly watch FNC.
And just for the record, most of us don't like Biden, Reid or Pelosi either. And I for one sure as hell won't vote for Hillary either in 2016, so you can start calling me a sexist as well.
But that doesn't mean I am happy with current GOP. They have no balls and are more concerned about image instead of making the hard choices this country needs on fiscal matters. So they are just as much to blame for the future debt problems as Obama.
Quote: rdw4potusWell, Ok. Racists exist. .
I've said this again and again. You say 'racists exist'
like its a bad thing. I don't get it. Whats wrong
with being somewhat racist? Every single person
I know is, to some extent. When I had the cab company,
I dealt with blacks every day, half the drivers were
black and they were ALL racists. SO WHAT?
I'm very leery of people who play the racist card all
the time. What are they afraid of, that they'll be exposed
as one?
Quote: rdw4potusWell, Ok. Racists exist. Racists watch cable news programming. What channel do you think they watch? You think they're watching MSNBC? C'mon. This is an argument you can't possibly hope to win. Racists do not comprise a majority of FNC viewers, but a majority of racists almost certainly watch FNC
Not really, plenty watch BET.
Why do you think conservative whites are the only group that is racist. Minorities are racist all the time. It is just politically incorrect to point it out.
Personally, I am tired of hearing people cry about racism all the time.
To the average Obama Supporter I would be considered "racist" because I wash the whites in my laundry seperate and first.
Quote: EvenBobI've said this again and again. You say 'racists exist'
like its a bad thing. I don't get it. Whats wrong
with being somewhat racist? Every single person
I know is, to some extent. When I had the cab company,
I dealt with blacks every day, half the drivers were
black and they were ALL racists. SO WHAT?
Here is a test I would love to see some TV show do....
Have some kind of seminar or speaker in a hotel showroom with maybe 500 seats. Hire 200 or so actors, about half black and half white. Put the actors so they are in 2 groups of about 90-95% one race on oppisite sides of the room. Just sitting there waiting for the speaker, talking a little, but they need to appear to be self-segragated. Then bring in both black and white liberals under some form of invitation to the event, and tell them to sit wherever they want.
Then see where they choose to sit. Then ask why they chose that seat.
I think the results would be interesting. Much like the liberals in the 1970s who thought bussing was great, but not for their kids.
Quote: AZDuffmanMuch like the liberals in the 1970s who thought bussing was great, but not for their kids.
Or the Liberals in congress in the 60's who wouldn't
vote for the Civil Rights Act. Like Al Gore's father.
Quote: EvenBobOr the Liberals in congress in the 60's who wouldn't
vote for the Civil Rights Act. Like Al Gore's father.
Yeah, the press seems to forget if not for the GOP voting to break the Democrat filibuster the Civil Rights Act would never have passed.
Lets not forget Conservatives are the ones who always want a colorblind society, liberals believe in hiring people; awarding government contracts; and granting college admission based on skin color and gender.
Quote: AZDuffmanliberals believe in hiring people; awarding government contracts; and granting college admission based on skin color and gender.
But to their racist view, thats just them helping the
'lesser races' with their white superiority. It makes
them feel good to do it and assuages their racist
guilt.
over the store drawing heat while the white dude was getting his 10 finger discount. Racism is not always bad !
Quote: duffytootxI'm going to make my final comment on this. I hope I'm still around in 4 years to see Hillary (and Bill) at her inauguration.
Lets see, Hill, babe that she is, will be 69 in 2016,
70 in 2017. Fine and foxy as she looks in a pantsuit
now, she ought to look smashing in another 4 years.
Imagine what she looks like WITHOUT makeup.. Poor
Bill..
