Decision 2012
He's competed in and completed iron man triathlons.
Obama shoots a decent game of horse.
Romney shags the upstairs maid.
Quote: MrVGary Johnson has climbed Mount Everest.
He's competed in and completed iron man triathlons.
Obama shoots a decent game of horse.
Romney shags the upstairs maid.
Oh my god! Romney really IS the most presidential:-)
Quote:"I have something very, very big concerning the president of the United States," Trump said. "It's very big, bigger than anybody would know."
Anchor Steve Doocy excitingly begged for a hint, but Trump refused to placate, saying he would release the news Wednesday. Trump added, "I know you will cover it in a very big fashion."
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about the birther thing. Allred had even less. Don't these
people have any shame?
Libya? That Obama knew from the gitgo what was going
on and blatantly lied to us about it? My god, this is sad.
How can they be this stupid to think it wouldn't come out.
If this was Bush, congress would be calling for impeachment.
This makes Watergate look like somebody got caught cheating
at Monopoly. Nobody died because of Watergate. Nixon lied
and had to resign. Four Americans died in Libya, how much
longer will Obama get a pass from the mainline press.
Quote: EvenBobIs anybody else watching the email thing unfold about
Libya? That Obama knew from the gitgo what was going
on and blatantly lied to us about it? My god, this is sad.
How can they be this stupid to think it wouldn't come out.
If this was Bush, congress would be calling for impeachment.
This makes Watergate look like somebody got caught cheating
at Monopoly. Nobody died because of Watergate. Nixon lied
and had to resign. Four Americans died in Libya, how much
longer will Obama get a pass from the mainline press.
You realize that they were still removing the CIA operatives from their neighboring installation, right? Like, there's probably a pretty damn good reason to keep some information guarded? My god. Do you think Obama should have contracted Joe Buck for a play-by-play of the Bin Laden raid, too?
Quote: rdw4potusYou realize that they were still removing
You realize how big this is, right? You realize congress
will get to the bottom of it. You realize somebody on the
inside released these emails because the fickle finger of
blame is making everybody in the WH scared shitless that
they will somehow end up as the fall guy for this obvious
gross incompetence and they want the authorities looking
to nail the right people. Namely Obama and Hillary. Those
two would blame their grandparents to get themselves off
the hook.
Think: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss
Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never.
These allegations are false."
Remember how well that worked out.
Quote: EvenBobYou realize how big this is, right? You realize congress
will get to the bottom of it. You realize somebody on the
inside released these emails because the fickle finger of
blame is making everybody in the WH scared shitless that
they will somehow end up as the fall guy for this obvious
gross incompetence and they want the authorities looking
to nail the right people. Namely Obama and Hillary. Those
two would blame their grandparents to get themselves off
the hook.
Think: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss
Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never.
These allegations are false."
Remember how well that worked out.
Yeah, no. This one was a delay for national security reasons. They're pretty damn different. Bush got away with an obvious lie about WMD, and you think congress is going to get to the bottom of this? You should move to CO - I hear weed will be legal there soon.
Quote: rdw4potusYeah, no. This one was a delay for national security reasons. They're pretty damn different. Bush got away with an obvious lie about WMD, and you think congress is going to get to the bottom of this? You should move to CO - I hear weed will be legal there soon.
What lie about WMD? There was no lie.
Funny how libs deny there was a good reason for Bush to wait a few minutes before leaving the classroom on 9-11 but now there were good reasons for a two week lie that it was a video.
BTW our government still has the video poster in jail.
Quote: rdw4potusThey're pretty damn different.
Lying and coverup is lying and coverup.
You'll see, don't take my word for it.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhat lie about WMD? There was no lie.
Funny how libs deny there was a good reason for Bush to wait a few minutes before leaving the classroom on 9-11 but now there were good reasons for a two week lie that it was a video.
BTW our government still has the video poster in jail.
There was no lie? So when the whole administration used Iraq's "WMD" as a reason for going to war there, that was the truth? Iraq actually had the WMD that Bush's administration told the UN that they did? I must've missed that.
And yes, it was partly the video. There were many people at both Benghazi and Cairo who were not involved with the actual terrorism, but did storm the embassies. Do you actually have an issue with the continued detainment of someone who caused the US Embassy in Cairo to be over-run?
Quote: EvenBobdon't take my word for it.
Yeah, there was no chance of that.
Quote: rdw4potusThere was no lie? So when the whole administration used Iraq's "WMD" as a reason for going to war there, that was the truth? Iraq actually had the WMD that Bush's administration told the UN that they did? I must've missed that.
And yes, it was partly the video. There were many people at both Benghazi and Cairo who were not involved with the actual terrorism, but did storm the embassies. Do you actually have an issue with the continued detainment of someone who caused the US Embassy in Cairo to be over-run?
They stated intel showed Iraq had a WMD program. History showed Iraq had WMD programs. Iraq threw un inspectors out in violation of their surrender agreement. Yes, there was no lie.
It had NOTHING to do with a video. It was a terrorist attack. I do have a problem with an administration manufacturing a story then arresting someone for it.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey stated intel showed Iraq had a WMD program. History showed Iraq had WMD programs. Iraq threw un inspectors out in violation of their surrender agreement. Yes, there was no lie.
It had NOTHING to do with a video. It was a terrorist attack. I do have a problem with an administration manufacturing a story then arresting someone for it.
Hundreds and hundreds of terrorists attacked the US Embassy in Egypt? That's what you're going with? That's just not what happened there.
WH from how the campaigns going. Trying to save
your asses will do that..
left before the election. You can't count weekend
days, nothing ever happens and if it does, nobody
see's it till Monday. So 8 hard news days left to
make points, drop surprises, make a difference.
8 isn't much.
Quote: EvenBobIts getting close fast. Only 8 hard news days
left before the election. You can't count weekend
days, nothing ever happens and if it does, nobody
see's it till Monday. So 8 hard news days left to
make points, drop surprises, make a difference.
8 isn't much.
Yeah, and there's very little planned news between now and election day. Just the jobs report, really. This is going to be CLOSE.
Quote: rdw4potusHundreds and hundreds of terrorists attacked the US Embassy in Egypt? That's what you're going with? That's just not what happened there.
Ok then. A radical mob of hundreds of al-queida/Osama supporters engaged in a coordinated attack on the anniversary of 9/11. After which Obama and his administration lied and said it was about a video. After that the same administration arrested a guy on thin charges because he exercised his Constitutional right to free speech.
Happy now?
Quote: rdw4potusThis is going to be CLOSE.
I don't think it is that close. :) I have seen two different Romney backers on two different networks today laying out their path to the presidency without winning Ohio. This tells me, as a team, they are starting to realize Ohio is a long shot. Now here's the thing about laying out a path without Ohio........There is NO path without Ohio. They have know that all along, and now that it is becoming a reality, they are desperately looking for some miracle alternative, some hidden door that they didn't see before.
Quote: kewljNow here's the thing about laying out a path without Ohio........There is NO path without Ohio.
It actually looks more possible than ever without Ohio. Don't they just need VA, WI, CO, IA, and NH? Iowa will be tough because they'll start down after the early voting, and WI is a little more liberal than they can easily flip (Ryan notwithstanding). VA, CO, and NH are all polling basically tied. There's always the chance of a game ender (Obama wins FL or NC, or, I guess, Romney actually wins OH), but it doesn't look that bad for Romney without OH.
Quote: kewljThere is NO path without Ohio.
Rasmussen has Ohio 48-48 yesterday.
What everybody forgets is, if these polls hold
dead even to the election, Romney will win.
The undecideds ALWAYS break for the challenger
by about 80-85% and no incumbent has ever
won when the polls were tied in the few days
before the election.
An undecided voter means he's not going to
vote for the incumbent. He's undecided if he
will vote at all.
Quote: rdw4potusIt actually looks more possible than ever without Ohio. Don't they just need VA, WI, CO, IA, and NH?
Oh is that ALL? lol Or maybe they could flip Michigan. Or flip Pa. Or flip California. Maybe Romney can just win every state. lol
Quote: kewljOh is that ALL? lol Or maybe they could flip Michigan. Or flip Pa. Or flip California. Maybe Romney can just win every state. lol
1/(2^5)=~3%, so if they were all toss ups Romney would still have a fighting chance. I'd say he's slightly favored in CO and NH. Maybe even in VA. But early voting is a big problem for him in IA. WI is probably a slight dog as well.
Quote: kewljOh is that ALL? lol Or maybe they could flip Michigan. Or flip Pa. Or flip California. Maybe Romney can just win every state. lol
Reagan won 46 in 1980. And nobody saw
it coming. He won 49 in 1984.
Quote: EvenBobReagan won 46 in 1980. And nobody saw
it coming. He won 49 in 1984.
Nobody saw it coming? 8 business days before the 1980 election, nobody saw it coming? I disagree. But, more interestingly, look at those 4 states. MN, GA, WV, and MD? That might be the last time those four states will ever all be on the same side in a presidential election.
Swing states: Romney wins Florida, North Carolinia, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire Total 261
Obama wins Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada. Total 277
The only variations I can possibly see are Obama winning Virginia on the 'reverse coattails' of a strong Tim Kaine senate victory.
I also think Colorado is the one state that is absolutely a dead heat at the moment, so while I think Romney is likely to win Colorado, it wouldn't surprise me if it went to Obama. But if everything else plays out as Wiz and myself believe, Colorado doesn't really matter.
I also believe that along with these electoral college totals, that there is a strong possibility Romney will win the popular vote, by racking up bigger margins in the states that he does win.
Quote: rdw4potusNobody saw it coming? 8 business days before the 1980 election, nobody saw it coming?
I was there, everybody was stupified that Romney
beat Carter so badly. Nobody saw it coming.
Quote: EvenBobI was there, everybody was stupified that Romney
beat Carter so badly. Nobody saw it coming.
Care to revise this?
Quote: kewljCare to revise this?
Do I want to revise that I wasn't there and didn't
see the reaction to Reagan winning so big? Why
would I do that. I was in Calif, working in a blue
collar bar. Everybody I knew was blown away by
the results of that election.
Quote: kewljWiz already laid it out for ya. :)
Swing states: Romney wins Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire Total 261
Obama wins Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada. Total 277
The only variations I can possibly see are Obama winning Virginia on the 'reverse coattails' of a strong Tim Kaine senate victory.
I also think Colorado is the one state that is absolutely a dead heat at the moment, so while I think Romney is likely to win Colorado, it wouldn't surprise me if it went to Obama. But if everything else plays out as Wiz and myself believe, Colorado doesn't really matter.
I also believe that along with these electoral college totals, that there is a strong possibility Romney will win the popular vote, by racking up bigger margins in the states that he does win.
My prediction is that you'll add Ohio to the Romney column, along with either Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada, or PA, but I'm not sure which.
Quote: EvenBobRasmussen has Ohio 48-48 yesterday.
What everybody forgets is, if these polls hold
dead even to the election, Romney will win.
The undecideds ALWAYS break for the challenger
by about 80-85% and no incumbent has ever
won when the polls were tied in the few days
before the election.
An undecided voter means he's not going to
vote for the incumbent. He's undecided if he
will vote at all.
You are holding on to an old model Bob. Times change. I will agree that what you stated was the tradition wisdom in the past. Let me explain why I think it no longer carries the same weight. In current times, the challenger, in this case Mr Romney has been running for president for 6 plus years. He is as well know as the president, especially in this age of numerous 24/7 news channels and internet. Even the very casual voter who doesn't follow politics like those of us on this site, know of and about Mr Romney and have an opinion of Mr Romney. He was in the news and headlines nearly every day for 6 months of a long drawn out primary season, giving speech after speech and that before the current general election season. So the fact that they are still undecided at this stage, means that they not only don't like the president, but they also don't like Mr Romney. And believe me there are a large number of people that don't like Mr Romney. Some don't like his policy issues. Some were effected by his business practices or have family friends that were. Sadly for some, it's personal things like the Mormon issue or they resent his wealth. But for whatever reason, he is just as well know as the president and has just as large a block of folks that don't like him. You are not going to see that 85% break any longer.
Quote: EvenBobDo I want to revise that I wasn't there and didn't
see the reaction to Reagan winning so big? Why
would I do that. I was in Calif, working in a blue
collar bar. Everybody I knew was blown away by
the results of that election.
I meant did you want to revise/correct your statement concerning ROMNEY beating Carter. lol
Quote: kewljYou are holding on to an old model Bob. Times change. .
I guess we'll see in 12 days, won't we. Who knows,
the majority of American's might decide in the next
12 days that they just can't live without 4 more years
like the last 4 years. Cause thats what Obama is
promising. Maybe the majority is secretly thrilled
with Obama.
maybe.
Quote: kewljI meant...your statement concerning ROMNEY beating Carter. lol
That's what happens this year:-)
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=RuN
Maps like these are getting easier and easier to justify. Christ, this is going to be fun!!
have PA as solid blue when RCP has it as a tossup.
Not even leaning Obama anymore.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_race_changes.html
Quote: EvenBobInteresting how both maps, and the map on Intrade,
have PA as solid blue when RCP has it as a tossup.
Not even leaning Obama anymore.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_race_changes.html
My method for making those maps was to go through RCP and assign the leaners based on their polling averages until the electoral college was very close. then I assigned the remaining states in a way that created a ridiculously close election. So I started by assigning FL, NC, and VA to romney and MI, PA, and OH to Obama. Then I gave WI to Romney because of the Ryan factor (even though they have a slight Obama lead in their average). That had me down to CO, IA, and NH. Splitting CO & IA either way makes NH very important - not that it wasn't important already.
“I’m Norma McCorvey, the former Jane Roe of the Roe vs. Wade decision that brought ‘legal’ child killing to America.
“I was persuaded by feminist attorneys to lie; to say that I was raped, and needed an abortion. It was all a lie.
“Since then, over 50 million babies have been murdered. I will take this burden to my grave.
“Please, don’t follow in my mistakes. DO NOT vote for Barack Obama. He murders babies.”
Obama loves partial birth abortion, he's said as much.
My thoughts on Ms McCorvey are not fueled by my position on the subject. Although I lean left on many social issues, abortion isn't one of them. I personally have no opinion on abortion. I am fine with the law the way it is. I would be fine if it was overturned. It just isn't my issue.
Quote: EvenBob
Obama loves partial birth abortion, he's said as much.
No.
Quote: EvenBobObama loves partial birth abortion, he's said as much.
Quote: rdw4potusNo.
No, yes he does. He has voted to support it. He has voted to let babies surviving abortion die on the table via refusing care. Obama is strongly pro-abortion based on both his statements and voting record.
Obama can state he has "an aversion to partial birth abortion" all he wants. Actions speak louder than words.
Quote: AZDuffmanObama is strongly pro-abortion based on both his statements and voting record.
Obama can state he has "an aversion to partial birth abortion" all he wants.
C'mon.
Quote: rdw4potus
C'mon.
"In the Illinois state legislature, Obama opposed the Induced Infant Liability Act[6] and repeatedly voted against requirements and restrictions intended to stop what opponents label "born alive" abortions."
"Obama voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, saying "On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions."
Every time he's had the chance to vote for a partial
birth abortion ban, he's refused. Kinda makes ya
sick, doesn't it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_social_policy#Abortion_and_contraception
Quote: EvenBob
"Obama voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, saying "On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions."
Kinda sounds like he voted against what he thought was an unnecessary law. Isn't that what you conservatives are supposed to want? Fewer governmental restrictions when other methods of restraint and regulation are available?
Edit: and the "c'mon" was in response to an argument that basically boils down to "he says this. He can say whatever he wants, but I'll still say that he says this."
Quote: rdw4potusKinda sounds like he voted against what he thought was an unnecessary law. Isn't that what you conservatives are supposed to want? Fewer governmental restrictions when other methods of restraint and regulation are available?
More kind of sounds like he is so pro-abortion that he feels *any* restriction is some kind of path to take away the right of women to vote and send them to the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.
Don't you liberals want more laws and more regulations? How is a baby allowed to die on an OR table going to be able to marry who they choose?
Quote: AZDuffmanMore kind of sounds like he is so pro-abortion that he feels *any* restriction is some kind of path to take away the right of women to vote and send them to the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.
Don't you liberals want more laws and more regulations? How is a baby allowed to die on an OR table going to be able to marry who they choose?
I'm not a liberal, I'm just also not as conservative as you. There's this HUGE middle, you see...:-)
But, almost literally, what he said was that the State could regulate late-term abortions without new legislation. That's about one million steps removed from your characterization.
Quote: EvenBobHow many babies like this have
been murdered because there were no laws to protect
them from monsters.
So we're talking about gun control now? :-)
