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December 12th, 2013 at 8:11:19 AM permalink
Anybody see Bob Dancer's latest blog post at LVA?

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/1210.cfm

Pay for your breakfast? Nope, not Bob. He steals breakfast. This guy has hit another low.
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December 12th, 2013 at 8:23:27 AM permalink
Also, some hotels have free continental breakfast for their guests. My friend and I had just finished working overnight at a different hotel, and we drove over for the free food.
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December 12th, 2013 at 9:42:58 AM permalink
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December 12th, 2013 at 10:10:30 AM permalink
While at Hotel in Baltimore saw same salesman from Big Box store next door each day at Free continental breakfast.
Last day Josie was packing upstairs and I asked the kid refilling stuff if that fat bastard over there ever tipped. The kid did not know what to say, but the guy started to walk over to us. Being old and frail, I picked up a butter knife, you know, just in case.

The place was crowded so I just whispered Fuck You and he decided to go to work instead.

I Know I Know But he didn't even tip the kid when he order something special.
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December 12th, 2013 at 10:13:03 AM permalink
I heard about this and initially had a harsh reaction. But then I thought, the guy is not only an AP, he's an advantage liver, although he did recently get divorced and had a 50/50 split at best.So what if he snuck a breakfast or two. His life is all about gambling. He probably cheats on his taxes too if he wins. Who doesn't?
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December 12th, 2013 at 10:15:39 AM permalink
He's making up excuses and trying to equate some things that don't equate. His moral standards are obviously low. My answer to most of those is no I would not do it.


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December 12th, 2013 at 10:33:23 AM permalink
As someone who manages a hotel, I asked Mission to visit this thread.

My opinion is that if you're given the option to pay an extra $10 for the continental breakfast, and decline, then it would be clearly wrong to take anything from it.

Then again, such buffets generally have a rule against leaving with food. Do I often sneak out an apple or muffin as a snack later? Yes. So, maybe I'm not one to throw stones in this case.

I hope FrG pays this thread a visit. We haven't heard much from him lately.
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December 12th, 2013 at 10:39:21 AM permalink
Watch out for the Buffet police! They will arrest you for such actions! I wouldn't want to be bailed out for theft of a buffet muffin and apple.
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December 12th, 2013 at 10:46:37 AM permalink
Quote: mds

Watch out for the Buffet police! They will arrest you for such actions! I wouldn't want to be bailed out for theft of a buffet muffin and apple.



Once I was leaving the Caesars buffet as I was eating a bagel. A guard by the exit made me stand there and eat it or toss it out before leaving. At least she didn't call security.
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December 12th, 2013 at 10:49:07 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As someone who manages a hotel, I asked Mission to visit this thread.

My opinion is that if you're given the option to pay an extra $10 for the continental breakfast, and decline, then it would be clearly wrong to take anything from it.

Then again, such buffets generally have a rule against leaving with food. Do I often sneak out an apple or muffin as a snack later? Yes. So, maybe I'm not one to throw stones in this case.



Earlier in my career, when I had to travel to games and spent several nights a week in hotels, I used to sneak out a snack from the buffet. I knew it was wrong, but I was on a really tight budget. (<- this is me, STILL trying to justify...lol)

More recently, too recently, I had this deal where I would 'take' as many paper napkins, and sugar packets from places that I ate. I never bought paper towels, napkins or sugar for my home. Then last year when, I started eating my meals with my playing partner he asked me what my problem was? He said " you make good money, why do you steal sugar from restaurants"? I didn't have a good answer, because there wasn't one. I was really embarrassed. So I stopped that sillyness.
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December 12th, 2013 at 11:04:28 AM permalink
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December 12th, 2013 at 11:09:21 AM permalink
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More recently, too recently, I had this deal where I would 'take' as many paper napkins, and sugar packets from places that I ate. I never bought paper towels, napkins or sugar for my home.



Reminds me of this video.
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December 12th, 2013 at 11:26:04 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

More recently, too recently, I had this deal where I would 'take' as many paper napkins, and sugar packets from places that I ate.


BTW, the Wynn/Encore has some really good napkins. Almost cloth-like. :)

OTOH, Station Casinos have the worst. They're as thin as toilet paper.
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December 12th, 2013 at 11:29:35 AM permalink
Most places that offer a buffet breakfast provide it to all guests whether they use it or not. And I'm a frequent guest of Marriott, so their lounge gives us free breakfast in the morning and snacks in the evening. Before I had this status, other consultants on the team would give me their extra room key and let me use the lounge. So technically i was stealing. The way I saw it though was the hotel already had our business, and the perks meant that I would try to get my Gold status (which I've now had for the past 5 years).

My wife usually travels with me and she constantly takes back a bagel and snacks back from the breakfast when I'm not meeting her for lunch. She's never had a problem and has been doing this for 6-7 years. The food likely gets tossed anyway, so the lounge staff doesn't care, and it's better to have a paying customer who is "stealing" a $1 worth of food than a non-customer who stays at a different hotel chain with the same perks.

I've never taken food home from an all you can eat buffet.
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December 12th, 2013 at 11:44:58 AM permalink
Besides teaching VP, Bob can teach another class about how to steal breakfasts and dinners without getting caught. Personally, I won't try it because it is clearly illegal and it will be a huge embarrassment when you get caught.
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December 12th, 2013 at 12:03:28 PM permalink
In the old days of the WSOP downtown at the Horseshoe, when you, the tournament player, showed up, you registered at the desk as a tournament player. You were assigned a tag, with a number on it, to wear on your chest when you went to the buffet everyday. This tag got you the buffet for free. So that's what all the tournament players did when they showed up at the WSOP, signed up to get their free buffet everyday....along with every street tramp in downtown Las Vegas.
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December 12th, 2013 at 12:09:56 PM permalink
Quote: mds

Watch out for the Buffet police! They will arrest you for such actions! I wouldn't want to be bailed out for theft of a buffet muffin and apple.



Call Bob Nersesian for being backroomed at the buffet!
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December 12th, 2013 at 12:11:42 PM permalink
When I stayed at the Hyatt, the Marriott, or Embassy Suites, they all had the same policy of having to show a room key in order to get the happy hour or breakfast buffet. I'm surprised this isn't more or less universal. Also, when I was local, but had a breakfast meeting with someone staying in one of those, there was a small charge, 5-10, to eat with them, though I have no idea whether that just went into the server's pocket (and don't care). So I guess if the establishment cares, it's easy enough to police it.
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December 12th, 2013 at 12:41:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My opinion is that if you're given the option to pay an extra $10 for the continental breakfast, and decline, then it would be clearly wrong to take anything from it.



I agree it's wrong. But it's just as wrong for a hotel to charge a resort fee for amenities you don't use. The hotel industry no longer has the moral high ground on this stuff.
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December 12th, 2013 at 1:20:36 PM permalink
So you do XYZ but would never do ABC. "You gotta draw the line somewhere" is what everybody says about something. For you it's this that and the other, for me it's another set. Who can really look down on anyone else?

I keep it pretty lame. I feel better about myself if I almost do none of that petty stuff. On the other hand, for example, if I ever had to pay taxes on some gambling win, I probably couldn't sleep at night it would upset me so much.

Just for the record, snagging a continental breakfast you weren't entitled to is pretty bad in my book. Yet I can remember going to a silly seminar a company I worked for wanted us to attend. During a break I discovered in one room of this place it was held that the tap system there was dispensing beer, and look! some cups are handy. Me and some other guys helped ourselves plenty, and it was me that discovered it and led the way too. Don't feel the slightest guilt and remember it all with a great big smile.
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December 12th, 2013 at 2:12:47 PM permalink
I find it interesting Bob discusses the Emails that people sent him about his story on this, but as far as I know, has never discussed the ones he has received about his involvement in the Revel promotion.

Now THAT would make an interesting column one week.
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December 12th, 2013 at 3:09:17 PM permalink
I believe that aces hit the nail on the head. There's a difference between being a rule breaker and a thief, and this one is more like the latter than the former.

Then again, I knew this pop machine that would drop two cherry cokes if you double bumped the button, so that's where I draw the line.
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December 12th, 2013 at 3:16:51 PM permalink
Funny how everyone, including me, draws the rules of morality to permit whatever he/she does, while casting blame at what others do.
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December 12th, 2013 at 3:27:24 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Funny how everyone, including me, draws the rules of morality to permit whatever he/she does, while casting blame at what others do.



Precisely why I have made no comments here. I sir have left the buffet with fruit in my pockets. :)
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December 12th, 2013 at 3:27:32 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Funny how everyone, including me, draws the rules of morality to permit whatever he/she does, while casting blame at what others do.


I think it was George Carlin who said that anyone driving slower than you is an idiot and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac.
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December 12th, 2013 at 3:36:14 PM permalink
And we have all gone at least 1 mile per hour over the posted speed limit. You could name an almost infinite number of things that others do in order to justify what we all do. I remember in law school a professor told us that "ethics" are "how you act when nobody else is looking" - in that regard, the entire human race is unethical because we all "take advantage" of situations in our favor. However, what most of us do not do is blog about it and attempt to justify it.
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:02:20 PM permalink
The first factory job I had was when I was 18.
My boss was in his 50's, my dads age. He would
steal sandwiches out of the machine that had
cold food in it on rotating shelves. He used a pen
to somehow trick the machine into thinking the
sliding door was closed, allowing a compartment
with a sandwich to be rotated into position.

After awhile they fixed the glitch, and he figured
out another way to do it. This had a big effect on
me at such a young age, that a person I respected,
in a position of power, did this type of thing. Soon
I was doing it also, as well and taking product (cookies)
out to my car when I wanted. With my bosses
blessing, of course.
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:02:55 PM permalink
I checked out of a hotel this morning and took two hand towels with me for rag use at home, and I have never or would have never done such a thing in the past. Thank you, Mr. Dancer!
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:12:58 PM permalink
God forbid should somebody forget to steal.
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:23:40 PM permalink
Casino buffets have bowls of apples. I have only seen one apple being eaten and that by a boy whose father said, "Don't eat that now! It's for later."
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:24:04 PM permalink
I worked with a black guy named Tony Sop. at AT&T. He was a hard core hire in late 70's. He had a hard time because only job he had where there was nothing to steal. I got him qualified fast so he could work OT, but habits die hard. Tony left Denver to work on a special project temporary team in California. Company leased car, great hotel, per diem, unlimited OT. Anyway second level in Denver hated BOB J, also on loan, and wanted him audited. To make it not look personal, everybody was audited.
Tony Sop had been changing $5 gasoline receipts to look like $15. Bye Bye Tony. But Sop landed on his feat at a baggage handler for Continental Airline in Denver. Never saw Tony again but thought of him a year later when I read Continental has most lost baggage at
Stapleton Airport. Just a coincidence, I am sure.
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:58:21 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As someone who manages a hotel, I asked Mission to visit this thread.

My opinion is that if you're given the option to pay an extra $10 for the continental breakfast, and decline, then it would be clearly wrong to take anything from it.

Then again, such buffets generally have a rule against leaving with food. Do I often sneak out an apple or muffin as a snack later? Yes. So, maybe I'm not one to throw stones in this case.

I hope FrG pays this thread a visit. We haven't heard much from him lately.



I guess the situation here is a little different because Continental Breakfast is at no additional charge for all guests.

However, if we had someone that didn't have a room here eat the breakfast stuff, I obviously wouldn't prosecute, but I legally could as it is the equivalent of shoplifting. In that sense, if I did charge for the breakfast and someone got it without paying, then I'd suggest that amounts to either petty theft or shoplifting. In Dancer's case, he'd probably just shrug it off and pay the $10 and that would be that if he were called on it, but it's still petty theft.

I'm not aware of breakfasts with a rule against leaving with food, I have no such rule and I don't recall ever having stayed at a hotel with any such rule. It's pretty common for people to grab and go an apple, cup of coffee, or muffin. If someone tried to walk off with a whole box of muffins, then I'd say something.
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December 12th, 2013 at 4:58:23 PM permalink
Their was an all you can eat lobster place in Rhode Island that had pictures on the wall of all the people who had been caught stealing. There were at least 200 pics on the wall of shame.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:05:41 PM permalink
Quote: reno

I agree it's wrong. But it's just as wrong for a hotel to charge a resort fee for amenities you don't use. The hotel industry no longer has the moral high ground on this stuff.



Everything that a hotel offers is somehow factored into the price, whether or not there is a separate resort fee. They could get rid of the fee, but then the rates would just go up.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:10:58 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I'm not aware of breakfasts with a rule against leaving with food, I/



Yeah, quite a few people go back to their rooms with a paper plate with some things to eat. Or so I thought. As that's what I do sometimes.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:17:52 PM permalink
This one chain outfit of casinos I play in this state passes out Grandma's Cookies....still all packaged up. I never eat cookies in the daytime. But when they offer them too me, yes thank you, please. The cookies go right in my coat pocket. When I'm laying in bed about midnight watching TV....out come the cookies.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:39:24 PM permalink
Stealing and how you define it is all about intent. Here's a hypothetical. Say you are at the movie theater after having already watched another movie, you decide to movie hop and watch a second movie. Now this second movie you had no intention of ever paying for or didn't care to see that much, but you were at the movies anyway so what the hell. Therefore the creators lose out on nothing by you having watched the movie. If the movie is good, you can tell other people to watch it, and they have actually gained from you 'stealing' their movie. I wouldn't consider that stealing. However, if you want to see a certain movie and would pay for it, but you go to the movies and sneak into a movie you would have paid for, that is stealing. If Bob knew in advance he was going to eat the breakfast, then he stole it. If he fully intended on not eating the breakfast, then woke up at around 10 and saw that they were going to throw the food anyway and decided to eat some. I don't think that is stealing as it is going to waste anyway.

Since I believe he said he stole a banana, which clearly wasn't going to be thrown away, he should be burned at the stake.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:43:40 PM permalink
When I've stayed at hotels with cont breakfast, I always fill a plate to take back to my room. So what? The workers may or may not see me come out of the elevator, and return to the elevator, but I've never been stopped with a plate.

I'm guilty of swiping Taco Bell sauce packets to use later on my eggs or whatever. I loves dem little packets o' flavor. When the bottles became available in the stores, I didn't do it so much, but I still can't buy Arby's horsey sauce or Arby-Q sauce in the stores, so I still take those home. The casino I regularly play poker in has practically a buffet table of bins of so many condiments right there in the poker room, it's like sauce packet nirvana. Ranch packets and other dressings, picante sauce, bar-b-q, pickle relish, onion relish, horseradish, croutons, you name it, they got it. They're good to take to work or keep in the car, but brazenly taking them is embarrassing. Gotta grab a wet-nap, aaaaaand whoops, grabbed a Dijon packet along with it. I like the single-serving size, as Tyler Durden might say.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:43:46 PM permalink
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Everything that a hotel offers is somehow factored into the price, whether or not there is a separate resort fee. They could get rid of the fee, but then the rates would just go up.



I hate to stir up that debate again, but nobody denies that. The issue is resort fee hotels advertise rates without the resort fee and then quietly tack it on at the final stage of the booking process, or surprise the guest with it at check in.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:52:41 PM permalink
Quote: zippyboy

When I've stayed at hotels with cont breakfast, I always fill a plate to take back to my room. So what? The workers may or may not see me come out of the elevator, and return to the elevator, but I've never been stopped with a plate.



I don't know why anyone would have a problem with stuff being taken back to the room, I certainly don't. The only thing that ever annoys me about the breakfast is the fact that the waffle maker will only make one at a time, so you'll have a couple with kids hog the thing and make six waffles...three of which get thrown away. I understand our waffles are filling, second-hand anyway, I've not tried them.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:54:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I hate to stir up that debate again, but nobody denies that. The issue is resort fee hotels advertise rates without the resort fee and then quietly tack it on at the final stage of the booking process, or surprise the guest with it at check in.



I have a problem with the latter, surprising a guest with it at check-in, it should be addressed up front if someone is booking over the phone.

For the former, I know our website shows what the anticipated itemized charges will be, and I believe that The D's website did, as well, so I saw the total cost and how much of it is resort fees. I have no problem with them doing it that way as it is no different than not including tax in the upfront rate, as long as it is itemized before final confirmation, I think it's fine.
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December 12th, 2013 at 5:59:18 PM permalink
In a related note I tried to leave the Baccanal buffet with a cup of coke in my hand and got swarmed by the old lady who guards the entrance. She told me I cant take the cup, and had me dump my coke into a styrofoam cup.

I forgot I am borrowing CET's cups, bathrobes, paper towels, toilet paper, shampoo, bath soap, facial soap, and towels into bankruptcy. Sorry Gary Loveman.
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December 12th, 2013 at 7:36:08 PM permalink
This is the best post I have seen since being a member here.
Thanks to everybody that chimed in.I have been reading and laughing out loud.
I am 32 and have been in the grocery business since I was 15.
The price of theft is included in your retail prices.
I can't tell you how many old foegies I have seen eating a bag of grapes or a bowl of cut fruit or a handful of candy,etc,etc,etc.
Do old bags feel entitled to some perks whereever they go?

I Believe Bob Dancer pre-meditated the thing based on his article,but....
He who has no sin cast the first stone!

We are all criminals,fleas,and hound dogs.
It doesn't matter if it is you weirdos out west or the rednecks here in the south.
We all mess up.
Bob was feeling guilty,why else would he tell us that story?

I took my parents to a nice hotel paid for their dinner gave them some gambling dough and you know how they repayed me? They stole the damn pillows all 4 of them.Needless to say that cost me on the incidentals,thanks parents.

Old people steal stuff and justify it(try to).

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December 12th, 2013 at 7:39:39 PM permalink
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Bob was feeling guilty,why else would he tell us that story?



I don't think he feels guilty at all.
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December 12th, 2013 at 7:41:07 PM permalink
1982. At least I think that was the year. I thumbed east out of Reno. I caught a ride and got a temporary job in the little town of, the town is so small, I can't remember the name. It was just a little north of Gabbs. I left there three weeks later with $600 in my pocket thumbing east on Hwy. 50. I turned north on 93. I ran into this little gambling joint. They offered me a free room. I took it. Several screwdrivers....and blackjack hands later my $600 was gone. The next day, sick, sober, and sorry, I thumbed out of the place. I thumbed north. I got to Nampa, Idaho. I was so hungry I walked into a grocery store and grabbed a cart. I started throwing all kinds of shit into the cart. I made myself look like a regular shopper. But in the meantime I was pigging out on my favorite food. When I had my fill I pushed the shopping cart off and walked out the door.

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KB1
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December 12th, 2013 at 7:41:29 PM permalink
It is my opinion that he felt bad about it and wanted to spill the beans.
tringlomane
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December 12th, 2013 at 7:44:48 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't think he feels guilty at all.



Totally agree. And I'm fairly sure you wouldn't do it. And if you did, you'd feel at least a little guilty about it.

And also, what hotel makes the continental breakfast an optional charge? The hotel sounds almost as bad as Bob here.

Quote: mickeycrimm

Survival, friends. Do you know what survival will make you do?



That's different than Bob's case though. If he desperately needed $10 more to his name, I would be more apt to look the other way on this. But he probably got many times that amount to argue the finer points of being a tightass.
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