Bob Dancer = Thief
Quote: AxelWolfWOW, that's something she could get canned for, encouraging you to cash in some little old lady's last, lost chip, one that she was going to use for Xmas presents, for her needy grandchildren. She should have made you turn it in to security, that way they could split it up.
It's happened to me more times than I can remember. Casino employees have pointed out cash, chips, credits on machines, tickets and, before TITO, slot tokens and coins. There must be some kind of code because they almost always said the exact same thing. "Is that yours?" they would ask knowing full well that it wasn't.
They were very cautious. Never once did they ask for a "finders fee" and many declined to accept anything. I suspect it was out of fear of getting in trouble.
I found a purple chip on the floor of the Taj a long, long time ago. Thank you Donald. I know now that it was really yours. Oh well.
Quote: 1BBI found a purple chip on the floor of the Taj a long, long time ago. Thank you Donald. I know now that it was really yours. Oh well.
Purple.....Wow!
The best I ever stumbled upon was Green. Perhaps I need to spend more time in casino's.
I thought you were a card counter?Quote: KeyserSozePurple.....Wow!
The best I ever stumbled upon was Green. Perhaps I need to spend more time in casino's.
Quote: AxelWolfI thought you were a card counter?
I am. But what does that have to do with finding chips on the floor?
Not sure what I'm missing?
Quote: KeyserSozeI collect 'Do Not Disturb' signs.
So do I!
(My new book "Confessions of a Wayward Catholic" is available on Amazon.com.)
I have found and left hundreds of dollars in credits on machines. I have found a few $100 bills on the ground in casinos and the parking lots(score).Quote: 1BBIt's happened to me more times than I can remember. Casino employees have pointed out cash, chips, credits on machines, tickets and before TITO, slot tokens and coins. There must be some kind of code because they almost always said the exact thing. "Is that yours" they would ask knowing full well that it wasn't.
They were very cautious. Never once did they ask for a "finders fee" and many declined to accept anything. I suspect it was out of fear of getting in trouble.
I found a purple chip on the floor of the Taj a long, long time ago. Thank you Donald. I know now that it was really yours. Oh well.
I found a camera bag type thing with about 12k and a camera in it, at the Bellagio. I took it to my car and locked it in the trunk, I went back in the casino, called security from a house phone and told them, I found a personal bag with money in it, I withheld the details of the camera and how much money was in it . I gave security my Phone number and told them, I would personally return the money to the person, if someone came to claim it. As long as they could tell me what kind of camera it was and approximately how much money was in it. I got a call about 2 hrs later. It was a guy in his mid 20's he described everything. Including what pics were on the camera. He claimed it was his employers money that he got from making a cash sale for some old baseball cards. He said, he would have been probably accused of theft and got fired, if I had not found it. I meet up with him, He paid for a nice dinner and offered me part of his commission on the sale of the cards. I believed his story, so I declined any reward.
I know dam well if no one claimed that money security would have kepted it
Quote: Wizard
My opinion is that if you're given the option to pay an extra $10 for the continental breakfast, and decline, then it would be clearly wrong to take anything from it.
I think this is the key thing that makes this more like theft and less like minor cheating. Dancer was clearly offered a choice, picked one choice then made the decision to violate that choice (and probably knowingly lied when he picked the choice in the first place). He didn't happen upon some banana's and coffee sitting out and then 'help himself' without asking if it was free - he knew the banana/coffee wasn't free.
I find it funny that the same Dancer recently wrote a huge 2 part story about how he was cheated by a stinking thief (and even put the guys mug shot up on his webpage) when in reality that guy did nothing different from Dancer (other than the amount involved). This guy simply ignored his 'contract' with Dancer and keep the profit for himself - it was up to Dancer to guard his 'buffet' from this scoundrel - why is Dancer calling this guy a cheat and crook when he does the same?
You make sense and i like your post, well said. However, In my eyes, cheating an individual is Very low indeed and not the same. I don't need a lecture how stealing from a business affects individual business owners or investors.Quote: brindleI think this is the key thing that makes this more like theft and less like minor cheating. Dancer was clearly offered a choice, picked one choice then made the decision to violate that choice (and probably knowingly lied when he picked the choice in the first place). He didn't happen upon some banana's and coffee sitting out and then 'help himself' without asking if it was free - he knew the banana/coffee wasn't free.
I find it funny that the same Dancer recently wrote a huge 2 part story about how he was cheated by a stinking thief (and even put the guys mug shot up on his webpage) when in reality that guy did nothing different from Dancer (other than the amount involved). This guy simply ignored his 'contract' with Dancer and keep the profit for himself - it was up to Dancer to guard his 'buffet' from this scoundrel - why is Dancer calling this guy a cheat and crook when he does the same?
Quote: AxelWolfYou make sense and i like your post, well said. However, In my eyes, cheating an individual is Very low indeed and not the same. I don't need a lecture how stealing from a business affects individual business owners or investors.
No lecture, but there is absolutely no difference. This is just something that thieves say to justify their actions. Just because you can't see the person being hurt doesn't mean that no one is being hurt.
Well then you are probably calling 95% of the people on this forum thieves by that logic.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceNo lecture, but there is absolutely no difference. This is just something that thieves say to justify their actions. Just because you can't see the person being hurt doesn't mean that no one is being hurt.
Quote: AxelWolfWell then you are probably calling 95% of the people on this forum thieves by that logic.
I haven't taken a poll, but if 95% of the people on this forum are thieves, then they are. It doesn't invalidate my point. "Almost everyone else does it" is not a good excuse for anything.
Quote: GreasyjohnI once found a $25 chip on the casino floor at the Silverton. This inspired me to look into the legality of keeping it and I found out that yes, it is the property of the casino. Re: Bob Dancer, he went down to the continental breakfast. He stated in his article that had they checked to see if he was eligible for the breakfast that he would have then decided to either pay for it or eat elsewhere. Since the motel didn't check or ask for payment that's not Bob's fault. Look, morality is a matter of degree. Did I give the $25 chip back to the Silverton that I found? No.
Have you ever taken someone out to dinner and then written it off as a business expense when the dinner didn't really qualify as a business expense? How about buying postage stamps and writing off the expense, then using some of those stamps for personal use? I've had blackjack dealers pay my stiff hands when they thought they had busted. Did I bring this to their attention? No, and if I did they would have taken my bet with a blank ( or a what are you, stupid?) look on their face. I didn't give the casino back their $10 bet that I should have lost, and eating a couple of dollars worth of coffee and fruit that no one asked Bob to pay for is worse?
The best part of any business trip is making a few passes on the expense reimbursement forms and see how much you made...
Finding a chip on the floor of a casino is the casino's property? Huh? Even if it was dropped by a customer? Makes no sense. So if I find a purse or wallet on the floor, that's the casino's also? Nonsense.
It may or may not be the casinos, but its not your's I always thought the policy was for security to document when and where the chip or money was found then If someone could prove they lost a chip or money explaining when and where, the casino would return it to them.Quote: tournamentkingThe best part of any business trip is making a few passes on the expense reimbursement forms and see how much you made...
Finding a chip on the floor of a casino is the casino's property? Huh? Even if it was dropped by a customer? Makes no sense. So if I find a purse or wallet on the floor, that's the casino's also? Nonsense.
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/1217.cfm
talking about a crappy breakfast here. The point
to me is, Dancer misses no opportunity on the
radio to brag about himself. How great he is, how
much he's worth and how much he's won over the
years. He has an ego as big as Montana.
For him to purposely not sign up for the breakfast,
just to eat it anyway, greatly diminishes him as a
person, in my eyes anyway. He's all talk and bluster
and no action. He's all hat and no cattle, as they say in
Texas. Guys like this are a dime a dozen.
My brother had a camera store in a nice part of town.
Men would come in and brag about the Hummer they
just bought, and the $10K vacation they just took. Then they
would spend 10min rummaging thru the 50% off bin and
leave with nothing. All hat and no cattle..
Quote: BozHere is this weeks story....my guess is he hit for $800 and told her (and the readers) he hit for $145. But justified it to himself by saying he could have told her he lost it all. And he probably "stole" a banana from the all inclusive dining area, just because he could.
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/1217.cfm
Wow, he doesn't want Bonnie to do to him what he did to Shirley. Coming through loud and clear.
Maybe we should ask Shirley. How about a column about that, Uncle Bob.
Quote: tournamentkingwhy this horrible human being
That's a little over-the-top, be a Suspension if he was a Board Member, but he's not.
Quote:Maybe we should ask Shirley. How about a column about that, Uncle Bob.
You guys are related?
Not my uncle, but I just bought his vp trainer program earlier today and in a way wish I hadn't. That probably really makes him my daddy now.
Quote: tournamentkingIt remains a mystery, other than what Evenbob said about how Dancer loves to flap on about how great he and his wallet presumably are, as to why this horrible human being repeatedly has the need to divulge stupid personal infotmation about his and his new gal's lives. It didn't take him long to let the world know that he's the boss in that family. And oh, what to do with all that money.
Maybe we should ask Shirley. How about a column about that, Uncle Bob.
I'd love to suspend you for that, but unfortunately Bob isn't a forum member, so my hands are tied by my own rules. Consider yourself on thin ice around here.
Quote: WizardI'd love to suspend you for that, but unfortunately Bob isn't a forum member, so my hands are tied by my own rules. Consider yourself on thin ice around here.
I wasn't aware commenting in any way about a public figure who likes to paint controversial pictures of his life in his articles was taboo. So with that error I'll suspend myself for a week, mainly because I've got a juicy progressive in Wendover to go after starting tonight.
Quote: tournamentkingI wasn't aware commenting in any way about a public figure who likes to paint controversial pictures of his life in his articles was taboo. So with that error I'll suspend myself for a week, mainly because I've got a juicy progressive in Wendover to go after starting tonight.
A week it is, Seven Days, self-suspension.
Quote: Mission146A week it is, Seven Days, self-suspension.
In a casino a self suspension is permanent.
Quote: tournamentkingI wasn't aware commenting in any way about a public figure who likes to paint controversial pictures of his life in his articles was taboo. So with that error I'll suspend myself for a week, mainly because I've got a juicy progressive in Wendover to go after starting tonight.
The last time I was in Wendover, 6 years ago, the best progressive play in town was a dollar multi-game progressive with a .75% meter. The best game was 9/6 Jacks or Better. It was at the Wendover Nugget.
Quote: EvenBobIn a casino a self suspension is permanent.
Stephen How self-excluded from Sycuan:
http://discountgambling.net/2009/07/12/self-bar-sycuan-casino-ca/
But, his post seems to insinuate there are multiple lengths of time someone can choose, though his was permanent.
WTF ???????????????????????????????
Quote: BuzzardWHOA Just notice the thread is BOB DANCER = THIEF. Mission, explain the logic behind this. Saying someone is horrible is one thing, but calling him a thief is libelous.
WTF ???????????????????????????????
In my estimation, he admitted to committing an act of theft that he knew was an act of theft prior to committing it. "Petty thief," might be more specific, but I would say that he legally committed theft, admitted it, so there is no libel.
Quote: Mission146Stephen How self-excluded from Sycuan:
http://discountgambling.net/2009/07/12/self-bar-sycuan-casino-ca/
But, his post seems to insinuate there are multiple lengths of time someone can choose, though his was permanent.
There are usually different legnths and types. In AZ, you can do a Tribal ban at most places for lengnths of 6 months, 1 year, 3 years or life, depending on the Tribe.. There is also a Statewide ban, which bans yourself from every Casino in the State for 1 year, 5 years or 10 years. Someone can also ban themselves from using ATM's for cash advances at Global Cash Machines and Xchange kiosks in Casino's.
ZCore13
At the Chumash Casino a self-exclusion expires in 90 days.Quote: EvenBobIn a casino a self suspension is permanent.
Quote: BuzzardWHOA Just notice the thread is BOB DANCER = THIEF. Mission, explain the logic behind this. Saying someone is horrible is one thing, but calling him a thief is libelous.
WTF ???????????????????????????????
My anger was more over dragging Bob's ex-wife and current GF into this.
Quote: WizardMy anger was more over dragging Bob's ex-wife and current GF into this.
Mike is right.
This one is all Bob.
We shouldn't lump in the GF/ex.
They didn't write the article.
Which one of you hasn't done something petty like this in your life?
I know I have.
KB1
Quote: KB1
Which one of you hasn't done something petty like this in your life?
I know I have.
Petty today? Is that what you meant?
Quote: Zcore13There are usually different legnths and types. In AZ, you can do a Tribal ban at most places for lengnths of 6 months, 1 year, 3 years or life, depending on the Tribe.. There is also a Statewide ban, which bans yourself from every Casino in the State for 1 year, 5 years or 10 years. Someone can also ban themselves from using ATM's for cash advances at Global Cash Machines and Xchange kiosks in Casino's.
ZCore13
In addition to what you said, some corporations (Harrah's) extend your ban worldwide. So say you went to the ADOG website and banned yourself for 10 years (the max in AZ). You'd also be banning yourself from Harrah's properties around the world. It's good IMO, but it makes some people upset.
Quote: KB1Mike is right.
This one is all Bob.
We shouldn't lump in the GF/ex.
They didn't write the article.
Which one of you hasn't done something petty like this in your life?
I know I have.
KB1
It's kind of funny, I'll checking account hop because I get the $100 Cash Bonus from certain banks for using their Debit Card 10 times in sixty days (then just close the account and become eligible for whatever promo they have a year later) but I have never and will never go into a place and use the restroom without buying something.
The checking thing is cool, but some creditors look at how long you've had a checking account, so make sure you have one bank where you always keep your account open and active, then use the other banks to bank hop for the bonuses. Just remember to close the account after you get the bonus, and if you find that you have forgotten about the bonus and it's almost been sixty days, just go to Wal-Mart and have ten separate transactions all buying a pack of gum!
Quote: Mission146It's kind of funny, I'll checking account hop because I get the $100 Cash Bonus from certain banks for using their Debit Card 10 times in sixty days (then just close the account and become eligible for whatever promo they have a year later)
That's fine. You're not breaking any rules. It's like AP vs cheating.
It's been more than a year since Shirley and I parted ways, and this past April I began seeing a lady named Bonnie. That relationship is going very well and we plan to marry this coming May. Prior to our wedding, Bonnie and I have had to arrive at a financial understanding regarding my gambling profession. I'm certain that other couples have had to deal with similar situations.
New LVA column
Quote: Perditionhave had to arrive at a financial understanding regarding my gambling profession. I'm certain that other couples have had to deal with similar situations.
That the wife covers 50% of the losses? Is that
the understanding?
I can't remember exactly who it was, possibly Varmenti or someone like that who kept hammering on Bob's relationship, in a similar venomous way. I found it strange that anyone would care about his relationships to that extent. I realize there was a bit of interest when the news first broke about his divorce and people were speculating on the real reason, but i don't see the fascination concerning his relationships. On the other hand, he seems to keep bringing them up in his blog.Quote: WizardMy anger was more over dragging Bob's ex-wife and current GF into this.
Perhaps the forum detectives can dig up this information.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceQuote: AxelWolf
You make sense and i like your post, well said. However, In my eyes, cheating an individual is Very low indeed and not the same. I don't need a lecture how stealing from a business affects individual business owners or investors.
No lecture, but there is absolutely no difference. This is just something that thieves say to justify their actions. Just because you can't see the person being hurt doesn't mean that no one is being hurt.
This is a romantic American viewpoint. Do you really believe the money made by Big Corporations goes to "a person"? Do you really believe the shareholders are "hurt" by the difference in their return? Come on!
In the same vein, I don't care if someone "steals" $1 from me, and I consider it stealing if it is $1000. If a guy steals $1000 from Microsoft, it is much less than $.0001 per shareholder, so who cares? If he uses software without paying, he doesn't even steal anything, they don't lose an atom's worth, because they wouldn't have gained anything more had he abstained.
Fundamentally, selling something that didn't cost you anything to produce is what I consider immoral. Legal, but immoral.
Because you are a tourist, they spindle you and charge ridiculous prices (no price is printed on labels, you know how it goes in third world countries).
I had specificall asked for a quiet environment, but was doomed with shouting babies, muezzin calls and loud music around the pool.
When thusly affected, I tend to think I am morally entitled to win something back. So I took with me a pool towel, an electric cable, some glasses, etc. which I usually would never have thought of doing. Didn't need it. Just for punishment.
Ultimately this has more to do with morals than law. Legal and legitimate are not synonymous. The powerful (the ruling class, if you like calling it that) builds a legal AND a moral system to preserve their privileges (i.e. their capacity of exploiting the rest of us). We simply have to stick to our moral, fairer and stricter than theirs.
I don't "steal" them. I dump or destroy them, to protect the next roommate to be poisoned by it.
Would the hotel cry out because I "steal" the cockroaches they left in the room?
Quote: kubikulannOh, and about bibles...
I don't "steal" them. I dump or destroy them, to protect the next roommate to be poisoned by it.
Would the hotel cry out because I "steal" the cockroaches they left in the room?
It doesn't matter how you or I feel about the bibles personally, but who appointed you as the person who should "protect" others from them? I would hope you did the same with any Korans you found during your travels as well. Although it appears this person did actually find some use for the Koran.
http://www.rferl.org/content/pakistan-hazara-fruit-koran/25197583.html
Quote: kubikulannOh, and about bibles...
I don't "steal" them. I dump or destroy them, to protect the next roommate to be poisoned by it.
Afraid of a book, that's real Dark Ages of you.
I see no reason for this, that's just bad behavior. I have nothing against religion, I just don't like people who go to far with all the BS.. Some of the bible is a rood read.Quote: kubikulannOh, and about bibles...
I don't "steal" them. I dump or destroy them, to protect the next roommate to be poisoned by it.
Would the hotel cry out because I "steal" the cockroaches they left in the room?
You need to stay at better places if your finding cockroaches in your room. Then again, if your maliciously tearing up bibles, perhaps you fit right in them places.
