Is AP'ing worth it anymore?

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Axel the people that think AP is dead and not worth it are the people that don’t know how to do it properly.
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This. What they really mean is they haven’t figured out how to do it successfully.

I get the same response when I tell certain people about beating the online sports books. If they can’t figure out how to do it it must not be true!

I think all you need to do, PG, is keep posting trip reports from all over the world, all paid for without a ‘real job’!

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it's been a quite a while since I counted down BJ - I got away with it for a long time but my top bet was not big

I'm curious - aren't they going to toss out or just shuffle up on any AP making sizeable bets now_____?

and what about comps____?____ would you have a player's card and be asking for comps if you were a BJ AP making big bets____?

I never had a card or got any comps

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From my perspective the way to be a professional counter and get away with it is to just keep your sessions short. Play for a half hour or 45 minutes and move on to the next casino.

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it's been a quite a while since I counted down BJ - I got away with it for a long time but my top bet was not big

I'm curious - aren't they going to toss out or just shuffle up on any AP making sizeable bets now_____?

and what about comps____?____ would you have a player's card and be asking for comps if you were a BJ AP making big bets____?

I never had a card or got any comps

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You are asking basically….. how do you do it successfully!

There are dozens of threads here that discuss bet sizing, session limiting, when to play with a card and when not to, cover plays, etc…. KEWLJ gave a bunch of details on how he did it and how much he made. All believable to me.

As far as the ‘comps’, if you mean ‘everything I get from the casino due to me playing’ DarkOz, as an example, has delineated that free play earned, at certain times, through certain promotions, is enough to make a good living. He’s given a few specific examples.

I was a teeny bit skeptical of the scale at which you can AP a casino. Mostly because of my lack of knowledge. I spent a few hours with Axel one day and he showed me a FEW easy examples of opportunities. It can be done, if you prepare properly and put the effort in. Sort of like most things in life…

snapping photos of people without their permission in a society which everyone was treated as they should be treated would get these people violently physically assualted in the casino. we are way too PC.

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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


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of course u use a card. thats where a big part of the payback comes. for example, go to Ballys shreveport if u have never had a card there before since it changed ownership from the eldorado. lose $5000-6000 and leave, dont come back for months and u might get the same mail offer i did offering $300 free bet 17 times during the month. (that coupon is worth slightly less than half its face value)

i quoted someones elses post but it didnt print his post, only mine. the guy was asking about if u should use a card at BJ.

Quote: lilredrooster

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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


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what people forget is that the vast majority of card counters who gamble for a living lose heavily and this is why so many casinos dont care if they are counting or not.

me, when i am counting, they dont realize im counting and dont mind me playing, (except for about 10 out of 800 casinos in the USA who told me i can only play other games but not BJ) because i only play 6 or 8 decks, never 1 or 2, never take insurance regardless of the count, and never split tens, and never raise the bet unless i lose the prior hand, regardless of the count. do these things and they wont know u are counting, but then again, there goes most of your edge.

if anyone wants a great AP opportunity that i have no interest in, the hex at the Pioneer this morning has the cat in the middle on the 5th row. but since that horseshoe never hits i sure aint doing it.

Quote: PokerGrinder

Axel the people that think AP is dead and not worth it are the people that don’t know how to do it properly.
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Those people are 100% right. APing is a thing of the past. If you have any interest in APing, study the past as it is dead dead dead.
Nothing to see here, move along.