Is AP'ing worth it anymore?

what i dont understand is since a lot of those guys are homeless and making only 1.39 cents an hour, why they wont walk u thru the casino and teach u all the plays for $50. this would earn them far more money. instead they dont want to talk to u. also the fact most are wearing a mask make u hate them.

just learn how to beat BJ and poker and then u can always make money without having to worry about slot hustlers ruining it for u

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what i dont understand is since a lot of those guys are homeless and making only 1.39 cents an hour, why they wont walk u thru the casino and teach u all the plays for $50. this would earn them far more money. instead they dont want to talk to u. also the fact most are wearing a mask make u hate them.

just learn how to beat BJ and poker and then u can always make money without having to worry about slot hustlers ruining it for u
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This is a laughable post from someone who regularly martingales 20% of his bankroll off degenning. Tony you should probably look in the mirror.

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The only person I know personally who APs in a B&M casino full time has o sleep in his car a lot and has trouble keeping up with his car payments.

Being an AP without good plays is like being a pirate in an ocean without ships. Are you really a pirate?

So, what would you bring to a partnership if you don't know where to find good plays already? Nobody is going to train you to go out and compete with them. The machine players employed by teams don't seem to be making anywhere near what you require. They spend most of their days walking and punching buttons.
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Exactly.

I think most "APs" are equivalent to starving artists. One of my locals has 50+ hustlers checking machines. I'd say maybe 3-5 make $70k/yr. The rest range from the homeless selling machines, degenerate teams living there 24/7, to the pretenders using their regal winnings on 88 fortunes because the pot is about to close. These people sleep in their cars, the smoke rooms, at machines, take turns getting rooms or their parents basement. Most of those people would be way better off getting a day job.

Very few people who call themselves "APs" are making a good living from the casino alone. That said it can be done and you don't need to be part of the Freemasons either. I've spent a lot of time trying to find these secret groups that have all the answers. But then when I'm watching a machine and the parade of checkers keep walking past me to check the Scarab I realize I probably don't need them anyway.

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The only person I know personally who APs in a B&M casino full time has o sleep in his car a lot and has trouble keeping up with his car payments.

Being an AP without good plays is like being a pirate in an ocean without ships. Are you really a pirate?

So, what would you bring to a partnership if you don't know where to find good plays already? Nobody is going to train you to go out and compete with them. The machine players employed by teams don't seem to be making anywhere near what you require. They spend most of their days walking and punching buttons.
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Exactly.

I think most "APs" are equivalent to starving artists. One of my locals has 50+ hustlers checking machines. I'd say maybe 3-5 make $70k/yr. The rest range from the homeless selling machines, degenerate teams living there 24/7, to the pretenders using their regal winnings on 88 fortunes because the pot is about to close. These people sleep in their cars, the smoke rooms, at machines, take turns getting rooms or their parents basement. Most of those people would be way better off getting a day job.

Very few people who call themselves "APs" are making a good living from the casino alone. That said it can be done and you don't need to be part of the Freemasons either. I've spent a lot of time trying to find these secret groups that have all the answers. But then when I'm watching a machine and the parade of checkers keep walking past me to check the Scarab I realize I probably don't need them anyway.
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The AP's you are observing are the low level hustlers who don't even stress being observed

The top level AP's who make a killing are probably seated right next to you and you didn't know it.

If you don't know the valuable plays you won't recognize when someone is doing it in front of you. And the top pros are about being clandestine.

And the reverse is true too. Occasionally I will peep someone working a play and be surprised that a fellow AP is within sight. You will be surprised how easy it is to pick out the pros when you yourself are a pro.

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Quote: Mental

The only person I know personally who APs in a B&M casino full time has o sleep in his car a lot and has trouble keeping up with his car payments.

Being an AP without good plays is like being a pirate in an ocean without ships. Are you really a pirate?

So, what would you bring to a partnership if you don't know where to find good plays already? Nobody is going to train you to go out and compete with them. The machine players employed by teams don't seem to be making anywhere near what you require. They spend most of their days walking and punching buttons.
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Exactly.

I think most "APs" are equivalent to starving artists. One of my locals has 50+ hustlers checking machines. I'd say maybe 3-5 make $70k/yr. The rest range from the homeless selling machines, degenerate teams living there 24/7, to the pretenders using their regal winnings on 88 fortunes because the pot is about to close. These people sleep in their cars, the smoke rooms, at machines, take turns getting rooms or their parents basement. Most of those people would be way better off getting a day job.

Very few people who call themselves "APs" are making a good living from the casino alone. That said it can be done and you don't need to be part of the Freemasons either. I've spent a lot of time trying to find these secret groups that have all the answers. But then when I'm watching a machine and the parade of checkers keep walking past me to check the Scarab I realize I probably don't need them anyway.
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The AP's you are observing are the low level hustlers who don't even stress being observed

The top level AP's who make a killing are probably seated right next to you and you didn't know it.

If you don't know the valuable plays you won't recognize when someone is doing it in front of you. And the top pros are about being clandestine.

And the reverse is true too. Occasionally I will peep someone working a play and be surprised that a fellow AP is within sight. You will be surprised how easy it is to pick out the pros when you yourself are a pro.
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You're right it doesn't take long to tell who the real pros vs. all the other people walking around.

Regarding being a poker pro, one of my favorite jokes is:

How do you get a poker pro off your front steps?



You can make money at poker, but game selection is very important. And volatility is brutal. And expenses (travel, places to sleep, etc.) can eat you alive, same as AP.

I wasn't around before the 90's, However, I know people that were APing in the late '70s and 80's that did well. 3 of those guys started known well-organized Video poker/slot teams. Red, Fisher, and Robertson. There were others as well.

There's never been a time from the late 70s until Now where AP'ING WASN'T WORTH IT ANYMORE.

Obviously, there are always things that dry up or change and occasionally slow periods, especially if you're only doing a few types of things.

P.S. VP isn't as dead as people think.

Axel the people that think AP is dead and not worth it are the people that don’t know how to do it properly.

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I wasn't around before the 90's, However, I know people that were APing in the late '70s and 80's that did well. 3 of those guys started known well-organized Video poker/slot teams. Red, Fisher, and Robertson. There were others as well.

There's never been a time from the late 70s until Now where AP'ING WASN'T WORTH IT ANYMORE.

Obviously, there are always things that dry up or change and occasionally slow periods, especially if you're only doing a few types of things.

P.S. VP isn't as dead as people think.
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I doubt OP has the bankroll to play VP to make 70k a year.

OP Learn blackjack there are enough casinos and games in the country to play that 70k would be easy enough if you take it seriously.

Slots depend on to many things and you need to be in the casino many many more hours. You have teams of guys that live at the machines and spend the majority of their time snapping photos of every new guy who shows up. Spend a day just observing these guys and ask yourself if that’s what you want to do. Many of them have no family or their wives left them. Playing blackjack or other table games gives you more control over what you can earn

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it's been a quite a while since I counted down BJ - I got away with it for a long time but my top bet was not big

I'm curious - aren't they going to toss out or just shuffle up on any AP making sizeable bets now_____?

and what about comps____?____ would you have a player's card and be asking for comps if you were a BJ AP making big bets____?

I never had a card or got any comps

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