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March 15th, 2023 at 2:24:07 PM permalink
Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
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March 15th, 2023 at 2:57:17 PM permalink
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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


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I believe he said he usually leaves after putting out a max bet. If one is only playing 30 or 45 minutes he would probably be very forgettable. It also tells me that he is probably not beating them for very much on the days he does win. When you walk away with $1000 or so there is not much for the pit to get worked up about. I also assume he doesn't win on every visit. If we assume he wins about $100k a year and he is visiting 4 to 5 casinos most casinos would not get wise to that. Making $20k to $25k per casino over lets call it 100 visits to each is not that much money.
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March 15th, 2023 at 3:11:34 PM permalink
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Quote: lilredrooster

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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


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I believe he said he usually leaves after putting out a max bet. If one is only playing 30 or 45 minutes he would probably be very forgettable. It also tells me that he is probably not beating them for very much on the days he does win. When you walk away with $1000 or so there is not much for the pit to get worked up about. I also assume he doesn't win on every visit. If we assume he wins about $100k a year and he is visiting 4 to 5 casinos most casinos would not get wise to that. Making $20k to $25k per casino over lets call it 100 visits to each is not that much money.
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you might be right
but back counting and then putting out a $1K bet when the the true count is +8 - and then winning and walking away
and that's not going to get noticed________?__________the PB is often watching and knows when a lot of small value cards have come out
lots of dealers are wise to counters too - and can earn brownie points with the PB by wising him up
and doing this same thing for what now_______15 years_____?________20 years_______?
and they're not going to wonder about why a guy betting $1K doesn't have a player's card_________?
it's all just a little bit much for me to swallow
I dunno

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March 15th, 2023 at 3:24:00 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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you might be right
but back counting and then putting out a $1K bet when the the true count is +8 - and then winning and walking away
and that's not going to get noticed________?__________the PB is often watching and knows when a lot of small value cards have come out
lots of dealers are wise to counters too - and can earn brownie points with the PB by wising him up
and doing this same thing for what now_______15 years_____?________20 years_______?
and they're not going to wonder about why a guy betting $1K doesn't have a player's card_________?
it's all just a little bit much for me to swallow
I dunno



My guess is his average win per casino is probably only around $300 on visits when he does win. Then on to the next casino.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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March 15th, 2023 at 4:05:31 PM permalink
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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
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I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 15th, 2023 at 6:15:12 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: lilredrooster

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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


.
link to original post



I believe he said he usually leaves after putting out a max bet. If one is only playing 30 or 45 minutes he would probably be very forgettable. It also tells me that he is probably not beating them for very much on the days he does win. When you walk away with $1000 or so there is not much for the pit to get worked up about. I also assume he doesn't win on every visit. If we assume he wins about $100k a year and he is visiting 4 to 5 casinos most casinos would not get wise to that. Making $20k to $25k per casino over lets call it 100 visits to each is not that much money.
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Heís mentioned his casino rotation is 15 casinos or so.
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March 15th, 2023 at 6:17:31 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Quote: DRich

Quote: lilredrooster

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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


.
link to original post



I believe he said he usually leaves after putting out a max bet. If one is only playing 30 or 45 minutes he would probably be very forgettable. It also tells me that he is probably not beating them for very much on the days he does win. When you walk away with $1000 or so there is not much for the pit to get worked up about. I also assume he doesn't win on every visit. If we assume he wins about $100k a year and he is visiting 4 to 5 casinos most casinos would not get wise to that. Making $20k to $25k per casino over lets call it 100 visits to each is not that much money.
link to original post




you might be right
but back counting and then putting out a $1K bet when the the true count is +8 - and then winning and walking away
and that's not going to get noticed________?__________the PB is often watching and knows when a lot of small value cards have come out
lots of dealers are wise to counters too - and can earn brownie points with the PB by wising him up
and doing this same thing for what now_______15 years_____?________20 years_______?
and they're not going to wonder about why a guy betting $1K doesn't have a player's card_________?
it's all just a little bit much for me to swallow
I dunno

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Youíd be surprised to learn that the majority of dealers and pit bosses are completely clueless. As someone who used to count and worked as a dealer when I was 19 I can say that casino employees both donít care and arenít smart enough to realize whatís up. Obviously there are outliers but Iím talking the majority.
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March 15th, 2023 at 6:20:17 PM permalink
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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
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I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
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Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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March 15th, 2023 at 8:31:05 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Quote: AxelWolf

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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
link to original post

I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
link to original post


Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
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Perhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.

Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their valueÖ"

Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."

Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 16th, 2023 at 1:45:48 AM permalink
i never said anything about not knowing any indices. i know all the ones that come up constantly and matter. so i use them to decide whether to hit 12 v 4, 15 vs 10, etc. this is why knowing the count helps, or u will end up just doing basic strategy (and playing the hand wrong). i just dont want to take insurance because it gives away im counting. but i will on the machine if its plus 3 or higher because on the machine vs a live table, no pit boss is watching. of course thats if im in a place such as Laughlin where the machine can actually be counted. most cant.

if im in a casino using a card i have never been to, i assume ill get good mailers if i lose big. this is why i was pissed that so far after dropping over 10k the palms gave me almost nothing for my loss. granted i never talked to a host, but still all i ever got was an email offering me 2 nites 3 times and 3 20 dollar free bet coupons. and i lost over 11k that month. a good 25% of my net worth.
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March 16th, 2023 at 2:15:07 AM permalink
Not trying to be a dick here, but losing 25% of your net worth at 44k is poor bankroll management. Work on that first before you find yourself ruined. Figuring out what you get for offers is not worth losing your ability to live without fear. I don't know you from Adam, just don't want you thinking about taking the easy way out if negative variance rears its ugly head even worse than has already happened.
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March 16th, 2023 at 3:26:04 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

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Quote: AxelWolf

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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
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I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
link to original post


Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
link to original post

Perhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.

Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their valueÖ"

Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."

Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
link to original post


Again I was commenting on Tonyís ap play because it clearly wasnít an ap play. Iím not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
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March 16th, 2023 at 3:27:58 AM permalink
Quote: sevencard2003

i never said anything about not knowing any indices. i know all the ones that come up constantly and matter. so i use them to decide whether to hit 12 v 4, 15 vs 10, etc. this is why knowing the count helps, or u will end up just doing basic strategy (and playing the hand wrong). i just dont want to take insurance because it gives away im counting. but i will on the machine if its plus 3 or higher because on the machine vs a live table, no pit boss is watching. of course thats if im in a place such as Laughlin where the machine can actually be counted. most cant.

if im in a casino using a card i have never been to, i assume ill get good mailers if i lose big. this is why i was pissed that so far after dropping over 10k the palms gave me almost nothing for my loss. granted i never talked to a host, but still all i ever got was an email offering me 2 nites 3 times and 3 20 dollar free bet coupons. and i lost over 11k that month. a good 25% of my net worth.
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Again Tony knowing the count but not betting with the count is a waste of time, youíre not playing a winning game by any stretch.
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March 16th, 2023 at 3:31:53 AM permalink
Quote: Talldude90

Not trying to be a dick here, but losing 25% of your net worth at 44k is poor bankroll management. Work on that first before you find yourself ruined. Figuring out what you get for offers is not worth losing your ability to live without fear. I don't know you from Adam, just don't want you thinking about taking the easy way out if negative variance rears its ugly head even worse than has already happened.
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This is standard for Tony. Itís the same way that he built his roll to 58k and itís the same every time he loses 5-10k playing bj or slots. He thinks heís playing with an advantage when in reality heís just making excuses for his degenning habit.

Itís always been amazing to me that Tony buys in for the minimum in poker games where he has an edge because he thinks his bankroll is too small but thinks nothing of donking off 5-10k on negative ev endeavours.
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March 16th, 2023 at 1:34:33 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: PokerGrinder

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: PokerGrinder

Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
link to original post

I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
link to original post


Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
link to original post

Perhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.

Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their valueÖ"

Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."

Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
link to original post


Again I was commenting on Tonyís ap play because it clearly wasnít an ap play. Iím not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
link to original post

Nope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..

Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!

FYI. Dawg says hi.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 16th, 2023 at 1:39:40 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: PokerGrinder

Quote: AxelWolf

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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
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I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
link to original post


Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
link to original post

Perhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.

Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their valueÖ"

Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."

Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
link to original post


Again I was commenting on Tonyís ap play because it clearly wasnít an ap play. Iím not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
link to original post

Nope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..

Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!

FYI. Dawg says hi.
link to original post


Youíre an illiterate troll lol.

Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
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March 16th, 2023 at 1:54:48 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
link to original post

I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
link to original post


Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
link to original post

Perhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.

Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their valueÖ"

Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."

Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
link to original post


Again I was commenting on Tonyís ap play because it clearly wasnít an ap play. Iím not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
link to original post

Nope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..

Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!

FYI. Dawg says hi.
link to original post


Youíre an illiterate troll lol.

Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
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Dude, don't be mad cus Tony Big Charles is both better looking and smarter than you by a factor of 3.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 16th, 2023 at 2:47:59 PM permalink
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Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.



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March 16th, 2023 at 10:01:21 PM permalink
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Axel youíre an enormous troll lol
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I wasn't trolling, I was dead seriouse.

If one knows losing 5k on BJ will get back 2250, it's +EV. Not to be confused with losing 5k in value to get back 2250. That's obviously dumb. I assume if he's counting he is gaining +EV.

Even if he's playing at -EV, he isn't giving up much, unless he's grinding out many hours at smaller levels.
link to original post


Ok first off, he didnít know what if anything he would get back from the casino for his play. He is 100% playing a losing game whether he counts or not because he has said that he doesnít raise his bets with the count and doesnít know the indices. Tony is a long time ploppy who wins at poker and dumps on recreational gambling. Obviously you know that I know how to maximize offers from casinos but what Iím saying is Tony was degenning and got offers vs Tony knew he could play x amount of time and lose x amount of ev to gain x amount of offers.
link to original post

Perhaps, but you guys dogged him regarding the information he laid out. At that point he never said how he played it or if he got the offers.

Let's take a look.
You"Wow amazing ap play there Tony. Lose $5-6k and get back $5100 in free bets that are worth half their valueÖ"

Bill "Lose money on every play, but make it up with volume. That sounds like a plan.
The only thing better than having a plan is having a good one."

Both of your comments made it seem as if this was a -EV situation and totally dumb to even consider. If I had to guess, you guys didn't actually think about it. You saw the" lose 5-6k and get back 2250" and thought, how dumb.
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Again I was commenting on Tonyís ap play because it clearly wasnít an ap play. Iím not saying what you or I who real aps could do with this situation.
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Nope... Tony pawned you regarding this situation and you are unwilling to.admit it..

Shooled by TBC on AP. OUCH!!!

FYI. Dawg says hi.
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Youíre an illiterate troll lol.

Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.
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Dude, don't be mad cus Tony Big Charles is both better looking and smarter than you by a factor of 3.
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Iím not offended but Tony should be as you are clearly making fun of him lol
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March 17th, 2023 at 1:03:41 AM permalink
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Give Cujo tummy scratches for me, I miss that little fluffer.



I always assumed Axel was the Fluffer.
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March 17th, 2023 at 4:25:23 AM permalink
axel what percent makes a loss rebate worth it? my bankroll is disappearing fast, im down now to barely about 35k although as u remember there were many times in my life 10 or more years ago when i had under 10k. of course then prices were a lot lower so it was still worth about 35k. reason i ask is i need to stop playing online blackjack when stuck and just want to make a big bet to get unstuck when i cant bet it live anywhere.

i get 10 percent every week on one site for being a platinum member (highest royalty level) but still with 1-3 percent bitcoin charges, etc buying or selling i mean, and other much smaller fees, some of which i get back, but i think 10 percent is definitely not enough to beat the house anymore. even if i were to structure my bets more wisely. i used to think that was plus ev to get 10 percent. how high must a rebate loss be to be plus ev?

im assuming online it would need to be much more than in a casino since online u cannot count.
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March 17th, 2023 at 4:45:49 AM permalink
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axel what percent makes a loss rebate worth it? my bankroll is disappearing fast, im down now to barely about 35k although as u remember there were many times in my life 10 or more years ago when i had under 10k. of course then prices were a lot lower so it was still worth about 35k. reason i ask is i need to stop playing online blackjack when stuck and just want to make a big bet to get unstuck when i cant bet it live anywhere.

i get 10 percent every week on one site for being a platinum member (highest royalty level) but still with 1-3 percent bitcoin charges, etc buying or selling i mean, and other much smaller fees, some of which i get back, but i think 10 percent is definitely not enough to beat the house anymore. even if i were to structure my bets more wisely. i used to think that was plus ev to get 10 percent. how high must a rebate loss be to be plus ev?

im assuming online it would need to be much more than in a casino since online u cannot count.
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If you can get 10% a week that would be very good EV if you stick to low house edge games like BJ and baccarat..
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March 17th, 2023 at 5:58:58 AM permalink
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axel what percent makes a loss rebate worth it? my bankroll is disappearing fast, im down now to barely about 35k although as u remember there were many times in my life 10 or more years ago when i had under 10k. of course then prices were a lot lower so it was still worth about 35k. reason i ask is i need to stop playing online blackjack when stuck and just want to make a big bet to get unstuck when i cant bet it live anywhere.

i get 10 percent every week on one site for being a platinum member (highest royalty level) but still with 1-3 percent bitcoin charges, etc buying or selling i mean, and other much smaller fees, some of which i get back, but i think 10 percent is definitely not enough to beat the house anymore. even if i were to structure my bets more wisely. i used to think that was plus ev to get 10 percent. how high must a rebate loss be to be plus ev?

im assuming online it would need to be much more than in a casino since online u cannot count.
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"worth it" That's a subjective question. Assuming no large rollover, other restrictions, and it's a fair game it's absolutely +EV.
Making the biggest 1-time bet possible is "the best way" to approach this situation as far as EV and hourly go.
HOWEVER, your bankroll IS the most important thing, without that... you can't play and earn. Clearly betting too big puts your bankroll at risk. You're supposed to use some form of Kelly to figure that out.



1) Is this a licensed regulated casino?
2) What's the max bet?
3) How often can you do this?
4)When/How often does the rebate reset?
5) BJ rules?
6) What other games are available?
7) Are Live games available with the promotion?
8) Available on Sports?
9) Do they have a slot program, that might add to the value?
10) Do they send other offers or have other promotions and specials?

I don't know if your bankroll can support large enough bets to make any significant money.
Think how much you would make if you could only bet $500 per day, depending on the HA it would take you 100 days to make about 2k(someone can check my estimated guess).

FYI if you are playing these small loss rebates while playing multiple hands the HA is going to quickly eat up your EV, we are talking between 10 and 20 hands only before you are -EV. I suspect that's why you think it's not good. You're not doing well due to playing too many hands.
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March 17th, 2023 at 7:42:43 AM permalink
if im supposed to only bet one huge bet (u need to make a minimum of 10 bets to qualify) no matter im getting no value out of it (which is why they let me have the offers). since its shuffling every hand, all i can do is flat martingale the bets. so its a shit ton of tiny bets and a lot of hands.

i cant tell u the name of the site, because they have contests about every 3 months and its so easy to win $50-1000 worth of bitcoin in the contest as few people do it, if even 10 more experts knew about it, id lose out on about $1000 a year from contest winnings. im always shocked how few people know about it.

of course even if i was only making $15 it takes not much time from my laptop in bed id still do it. it doesnt have to pay well.

to qualify for the rebate, u have to have played a lot in the past. so u wouldnt qualify. (but of course anyone can do the contests when they happen). i would assume sports bets are included, which i never make unless im using a free coupon.

theres no games excluded, (thats why i assume sports bets are good) but if u are up lifetime, used any bonus, or are ahead in the last 30 days u cant receive a rebate for your losses. of course i fail now on all of this. so i get the loss rebates. the nice thing is there is no rollover and it can be withdrawn immediately. u claim the rebates early monday morning and have up to 72 hours. u must of wagered a minimum of 0.01 BTC
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March 17th, 2023 at 7:46:17 AM permalink
that being said i need to stop playing anything but poker (which means i dont belong in laughlin regardless if i paid only $200 to get 15 nites of rooms.) barely got 36k left and i had 43k when i came to laughlin. about half was lost on the machine at the pioneer and the other half online. i should be getting a $200 or so online rebate come monday morning. i got my other rebate the monday that just passed.
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March 17th, 2023 at 9:06:06 AM permalink
Iím with you thatís how they should be treated.
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yeah, I've read quite a few of KewlJ's posts at different places

in the last one I saw he stated his top bet was $1K

for me - his story is really hard to believe - that he can get away with this for so long

all of the big casinos have to know who he is - and they're going to let him keep beating up on them endlessly______?

I guess it's possible - but the Managers at these casinos are not stupid - it would seem they would have to be for his stories to all be true

he started posting here in 2012 - I wanna here about this from somebody else

it's now getting close to 50 years of casino experience with counters


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March 17th, 2023 at 9:12:37 AM permalink
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that being said i need to stop playing anything but poker (which means i dont belong in laughlin regardless if i paid only $200 to get 15 nites of rooms.) barely got 36k left and i had 43k when i came to laughlin. about half was lost on the machine at the pioneer and the other half online. i should be getting a $200 or so online rebate come monday morning. i got my other rebate the monday that just passed.
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There are Plenty of good mail spots for your play. The problem for you is the best places donít have a good poker scene.

I suggest playing a different game. One that you can trade hands with the dealer
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March 17th, 2023 at 2:59:26 PM permalink
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if im supposed to only bet one huge bet (u need to make a minimum of 10 bets to qualify) no matter im getting no value out of it (which is why they let me have the offers). since its shuffling every hand, all i can do is flat martingale the bets. so its a shit ton of tiny bets and a lot of hands.

i cant tell u the name of the site, because they have contests about every 3 months and its so easy to win $50-1000 worth of bitcoin in the contest as few people do it, if even 10 more experts knew about it, id lose out on about $1000 a year from contest winnings. im always shocked how few people know about it.

of course even if i was only making $15 it takes not much time from my laptop in bed id still do it. it doesnt have to pay well.

to qualify for the rebate, u have to have played a lot in the past. so u wouldnt qualify. (but of course anyone can do the contests when they happen). i would assume sports bets are included, which i never make unless im using a free coupon.

theres no games excluded, (thats why i assume sports bets are good) but if u are up lifetime, used any bonus, or are ahead in the last 30 days u cant receive a rebate for your losses. of course i fail now on all of this. so i get the loss rebates. the nice thing is there is no rollover and it can be withdrawn immediately. u claim the rebates early monday morning and have up to 72 hours. u must of wagered a minimum of 0.01 BTC
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If they take BTC it's unregulated therefore there's always a chance of unfair games or non-payment. I wouldn't risk playing a 10% rebate under those circumstances. I want more meat on the bone when messaging around with unregulated online, even if they have a good reputation.

The fact that they make you place at least 10 bets, there's a reason for that. Do they have to be equal or greater bets to qualify? Could you bet $5 9 times and then jam 1k+ on the 10th bet? If not, you better do the math, as I already mentioned betting 10-20 units can easily cause a -EV situation. If I were you, I wouldn't mess with their 10%rebate unless there's something in conjunction with it that adds good value. Perhaps betting on a +EV odds boost bet or a +EV situation where you are also getting a rebate.
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