Covid vaccine poll
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Quote: fantomI would only put faith in a scientific, peer-reviewed study, cited or footnoted with a link to the actual study.
My guess is that there have not yet been any of these, or at least not any recently. I have read of one study from last November that was highly qualified as to its relevance to covid, mask-wearing, and infections. I won't cite it because it's not apropos of the situation as we see it now, with widely varying rules, rates of compliance, and follow-up as to who got covid, and whether or not mask-wearing was a factor.
Again, cite an actual study, usually quite length, dense, and difficult to follow, rather than a talking head, from any of the universally biased, left and right, who have an agenda.
That's not a political statement. It won't be until years from now that the traditional scientific method will or even CAN be applied to this. Nothing we hear or read in the media can possibly be accurate - there simply has not been enough time and studies to have been completed to allow for an accurate conclusion.
I agree that it makes sense that mask-wearing might reduce spread. But I say that only from my own common sense view of it. Recall that in the past it was commonplace to believe that you had to wait an hour after lunch until you could go back in the water. That WonderBread built strong bodies twelve ways. That doctor's preferred Chesterfield cigarettes.
I find it confusing that folks say "listen to the science" when there is NO REAL SCIENCE. Real science relies on observation and careful clinical, statistical analysis, not on offhand casual observation of conditions in nearby restaurants along with interviews asking people what they do at home. Taking a poll is not science.
B-b-but I'm so s-s-super scared!
Quote: fantomI would only put faith in a scientific, peer-reviewed study, cited or footnoted with a link to the actual study.
My guess is that there have not yet been any of these, or at least not any recently. I have read of one study from last November that was highly qualified as to its relevance to covid, mask-wearing, and infections. I won't cite it because it's not apropos of the situation as we see it now, with widely varying rules, rates of compliance, and follow-up as to who got covid, and whether or not mask-wearing was a factor.
Again, cite an actual study, usually quite length, dense, and difficult to follow, rather than a talking head, from any of the universally biased, left and right, who have an agenda.
That's not a political statement. It won't be until years from now that the traditional scientific method will or even CAN be applied to this. Nothing we hear or read in the media can possibly be accurate - there simply has not been enough time and studies to have been completed to allow for an accurate conclusion.
I agree that it makes sense that mask-wearing might reduce spread. But I say that only from my own common sense view of it. Recall that in the past it was commonplace to believe that you had to wait an hour after lunch until you could go back in the water. That WonderBread built strong bodies twelve ways. That doctor's preferred Chesterfield cigarettes.
I find it confusing that folks say "listen to the science" when there is NO REAL SCIENCE. Real science relies on observation and careful clinical, statistical analysis, not on offhand casual observation of conditions in nearby restaurants along with interviews asking people what they do at home. Taking a poll is not science.
Your last point is debatable since you're implying nothing useful can be learned unless under ideal conditions, or that an imperfect study is equivalent to people spouting random opinions.
Anyone for injecting a little bleach or disinfectant? LOL
Oh Boy!Quote: kewljWell if a president (or former) said it......IT MUST BE TRUE.
Anyone for injecting a little bleach or disinfectant? LOL
I really didn't want to have to do this.
Quote: rxwineYour last point is debatable since you're implying nothing useful can be learned unless under ideal conditions, or that an imperfect study is equivalent to people spouting random opinions.
I'm saying that a thousand random opinions do not make a scientific study. The opinions might be useful, but we read here, constantly, about observation bias. We see spouted countless "scientific theories" about totally random occurrences at the roulette or craps table that seem to make sense, but that fly in the face of proven mathematical fact.
I have heard several people say, in essence, "it's a proven fact that the dealer gets a blackjack [insert some wild number here] percent of the time on the first hand in a shoe." But we have simulation software available, and proven mathematical theorems that prove otherwise. Conclusively.
When we hear such things, we ask for validation.
We all may think that some action or activity makes sense. But not on the basis of scientific study - because there has not been enough time for there to have been enough studies.
For example. Just today I read: "Researchers from the University of Nicosia in Cyprus find hot weather and wind have a bigger impact on virus transmission rates that social distancing during a pandemic." ). I have no faith in this report, until I read the study instead of some blurb I found on the internet. Maybe it's true. Maybe not.
My point is that it will be a long time before we have the real science, based on empirical analysis, that makes an accurate conclusion, either way, about a host of "science" that we have read about. It's clearly too soon to tell. Use your best judgement, conclude what you want from what you read and see. But don't be surprised if, maybe years from now, it won't be amazing how wrong we were about a lot of this.
Quote: fantomI'm saying that a thousand random opinions do not make a scientific study. The opinions might be useful, but we read here, constantly, about observation bias. We see spouted countless "scientific theories" about totally random occurrences at the roulette or craps table that seem to make sense, but that fly in the face of proven mathematical fact.
Why would I care about opinions in the face of facts, mathematical or otherwise?
Quote:I have heard several people say, in essence, "it's a proven fact that the dealer gets a blackjack [insert some wild number here] percent of the time on the first hand in a shoe." But we have simulation software available, and proven mathematical theorems that prove otherwise. Conclusively.
When we hear such things, we ask for validation.
Of course.
Quote:We all may think that some action or activity makes sense. But not on the basis of scientific study - because there has not been enough time for there to have been enough studies.
Sure but you're missing the time factor here. We are acting on the best data we have. You can analyze why a plane crashed in a more perfect manner later, but when the pilots are trying to save it at the time they act on the best data they have. A year from now we may have a much better idea of what we should have done better. But no reason to think we should wait until our knowledge is more perfected.
Often, even one study is not enough to confirm something until others are done independently and get the same results. Should we wait 6 months before acting on anything we think we know?
Quote:For example. Just today I read: "Researchers from the University of Nicosia in Cyprus find hot weather and wind have a bigger impact on virus transmission rates that social distancing during a pandemic." ). I have no faith in this report, until I read the study instead of some blurb I found on the internet. Maybe it's true. Maybe not.
My point is that it will be a long time before we have the real science, based on empirical analysis, that makes an accurate conclusion, either way, about a host of "science" that we have read about.
It's clearly too soon to tell. Use your best judgement, conclude what you want from what you read and see. But don't be surprised if, maybe years from now, it won't be amazing how wrong we were about a lot of this.
I have no argument with the idea that we should make judgments made on objective empirical data, but I'm sure you would agree that waiting years or even 6 months is a rather useless point, when we need to act now. Every day makes a difference. We use the best data we have with the people with the necessary expertise.
I expect a full written apology and a gift. And Please, no more Dogs Playing Poker. 😉Quote: WizardMaybe I was too quick to throw out a warning regarding the conversation about masks. I'm all in favor of a good science-based discussion of anything. You may talk about it, but I'll be watching to make sure the topic stays scientific/mathematical. Perhaps a good subtopic is whether or not this statement is true or false, "CDC comes out with a statement that 85% of the people wearing masks catch it (covid)."
Quote: AxelWolfI expect a full written apology and a gift. And Please, no more Dogs Playing Poker. 😉
It's good to rely on science, but most of what is being touted as "science" is not that, at all. Not because I question the source or the point of view of whoever is spewing it, regardless of their supposed or suspected leanings, left or right.
A consistent belief is that the most current and up to date "science" is the best, and is correct to an absolute certainty.
In the fifties there were numerous supposedly "scientific" treatments for polio. Thalidomide was prescribed to pregnant women in the sixties. In the eighties, HIV/AIDS was supposedly transmitted in a variety of ways that were later found to be false. All of these situations carried the stamp of "science", only to be discredited when better studies came along to discredit them..
In all cases we can assume that the scientists presented these ideas with the best of intent, with no political bias, intentional or systemic.
Throughout history, the best science has routinely been found to be totally incorrect. Eighteenth century doctors were absolutely certain that bleeding patients was a good thing to do, and swore up and down that the "most current thinking" was completely and absolutely sound.
What makes you think that this never-ending advance - brought about solely by the passage of time - will not still go on?
In 1901, President McKinley suggested that the patent office be closed - everything that could be invented, he said, has already been invented.
Don't be surprised if a lot of what we know about COVID is just wrong.
Federal official, documented with verifiable video recording: "Drinking a tablespoon of hydrochloric acid, twice a day, cures ingrown toenails."
Poster: Well, if a federal official said it... IT MUST BE TRUE. Anyone for swallowing a little HCL? LOL
Again, this is a totally made up scenario. I simply ask for a ruling as to whether this is or is not a violation of the rules.
Quote: fantomCould someone please tell me if the following sequence of posts constitute an outlawed political statement? Remember that this is a completely and totally fictitious, situation, with no connection to any prior post or former executive, living or dead.
Federal official, documented with verifiable video recording: "Drinking a tablespoon of hydrochloric acid, twice a day, cures ingrown toenails."
Poster: Well, if a federal official said it... IT MUST BE TRUE. Anyone for swallowing a little HCL? LOL
Again, this is a totally made up scenario. I simply ask for a ruling as to whether this is or is not a violation of the rules.
My mailman is a Federal official. Certainly no one is suggesting all Federal officials speak with the same authority?
So, yesterday, I got my first shot of Moderna. Today I have a low-grade fever and fatigue to go along with a slightly sore arm. But, I am qualified as an essential worker by virtue of this volunteer work. I would recommend this to anyone who has the time to volunteer -- your local PHD may need volunteers.
Quote: teliotI have been volunteering for the local PHD (public health department) at their Covid-19 vaccination clinic....
What would happen if somebody, who didn't meet any condition for a vaccine, showed up at the last appointment time, with no appointment, and asked if there were an extra dose that would otherwise be thrown away he could have?
Quote: teliot. My position is to be the first official person someone who arrives at the clinic interacts with. I am tasked with verifying that they qualify for the shot they signed up for. In California, that means they are either over 75 or they are a group 1a essential worker.
So how many people sign up claiming to be either 75 or essential workers that can't verify either when they get to you? Do you turn them away? what about fake I.D.'s? lol. People will go to lengths to scam the system.
When it gets down to people 16-64 with underlying conditions, you are going to have all kinds of people claiming all kinds of things. That should be interesting.
Good for you volunteering though Eliot. Thanks to you and all volunteers.
So here is the thing. The medical expert, claims if everyone wore a high quality N95 mask, the virus would be gone in 4 weeks. It wouldn't have any place to spread and would die out. Without getting political, obviously in this country, we are never going to get 'everyone' to do anything. But if it is really that simple, some day, history will look back and say, "my God, how stupid they wear during the 2020-21 pandemic. They (meaning humanity) had the ability to stop it in its tracks and chose not to".
Quote: kewljI don't know if this is the correct place for this, but I saw a story on CNN, last evening about the Biden administration considering sending N95 masks to every American. They would ramp up production via the defense production act. The Trump administration considered this same plan last spring but decided against it.
So here is the thing. The medical expert, claims if everyone wore a high quality N95 mask, the virus would be gone in 4 weeks. It wouldn't have any place to spread and would die out. Without getting political, obviously in this country, we are never going to get 'everyone' to do anything. But if it is really that simple, some day, history will look back and say, "my God, how stupid they wear during the 2020-21 pandemic. They (meaning humanity) had the ability to stop it in its tracks and chose not to".
This would be great in theory but even if you send people the best mask ever, it seems like 50% of the people I see in the grocery store are wearing them below the nose, or complete chin diaper. Cashiers/Staff seem to do it more than the customers, and KN95 masks are less comfortable than typical cloth masks.
Maybe 5% or a bit more.Quote: kewljSo how many people sign up claiming to be either 75 or essential workers that can't verify either when they get to you? .
Yes. We tell them the documentation they need, and sometimes they go home and get it, or find it on their phones. And sometimes they know they can't get it and just leave. Sometimes we have to go through various levels of supervisors above me to clear up the case. We need to see proof of active employment in an essential agency (we have a list of those) that is direct facing with the public. That typically means a letter from their employer together with a recent pay stub. But there are many other classes in 1a, each with special conditions on what they need to show us.Quote:Do you turn them away?
When we get to the next phase, 65+ and 1b, all hell is likely to break loose.
They would also need to fake their employment records. It's possible, for sure. But there are plenty of double checks along the way, beyond just what I do.Quote:what about fake I.D.'s?
N-95 is not effective if the person using it does not understand all of the other PPE protocols that accompany these masks. These include proper fit, disposal and when/how you can touch the mask. Certainly N-95's will improve things, but there is no assumption that there will be both universal and proper usage of these masks.Quote: kewljI don't know if this is the correct place for this, but I saw a story on CNN, last evening about the Biden administration considering sending N95 masks to every American. They would ramp up production via the defense production act. The Trump administration considered this same plan last spring but decided against it.
So here is the thing. The medical expert, claims if everyone wore a high quality N95 mask, the virus would be gone in 4 weeks. It wouldn't have any place to spread and would die out. Without getting political, obviously in this country, we are never going to get 'everyone' to do anything. But if it is really that simple, some day, history will look back and say, "my God, how stupid they wear during the 2020-21 pandemic. They (meaning humanity) had the ability to stop it in its tracks and chose not to".
Quote: teliotWe were specifically instructed on that question, and people did do that. They are all turned away. It's a matter of principle, otherwise we would have uncontrollable crowds at the end of the day. Plus, with moderna there is not nearly the same problem with spoilage as with Pfizer.
Principle hahahahahaha Ahahahahaha hahaha what a joke
My body my choice never will I ever get the vaccine.
Quote: heatmapPrinciple hahahahahaha Ahahahahaha hahaha what a joke
My body my choice never will I ever get the vaccine.
I just hope that eventually all employers will require it and all government benefits will require it. I agree it is your choice, but if you don't get it I also hope you never get unemployment, social security benefits, and any medicaid/ medicare. Hopefully businesses will require it to enter all stores.
Capturing this quote for Wizard & OD review.Quote: heatmapPrinciple hahahahahaha Ahahahahaha hahaha what a joke
Fwiw it sounds like more people than not feel quite ill for a day or so after getting the second Moderna dose, to the point for that young healthy age groups it’s likely to make you as or more sick than if you actually got the virus. But I don’t think we’re supposed to say those things out loud. I believe I’ll be avoiding signing up at a place giving Moderna and going for the alternative if patients have a choice to choose or are aware of which locations are providing which vaccines by the time I’m eligible.
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To be fair, you stated it was done on principle but then justified in on expediency grounds (avoiding big crowds that would form).
Quote: DRichI just hope that eventually all employers will require it and all government benefits will require it. I agree it is your choice, but if you don't get it I also hope you never get unemployment, social security benefits, and any medicaid/ medicare. Hopefully businesses will require it to enter all stores.
Your idea sounds like East Germany!
Quote: mcallister3200Fwiw it sounds like more people than not feel quite ill for a day or so after getting the second Moderna dose, to the point for that young healthy age groups it’s likely to make you as or more sick than if you actually got the virus.
I mean this is just a completely false statement.
Moderna is much easier to work with as far as creating the doses. I think they do one vial at a time in prep. I hope that none are wasted at the end of the day, but the truth is that I don't know. When I use "The Google" to look for stories about this, it does seem quite common that a few doses are wasted each day. I'll ask about it and try and get a clearer answer next time I volunteer.Quote: mcallister3200The principle of intentionally throwing doses away when there’s a known shortage is certainly something.
Quote: sabreI mean this is just a completely false statement.
Well, we have little more than anecdotes to go on for the number of people suffering side effects, and that’s been widely reported that many people have them. I had read an article while the trials were ongoing of side effects being more likely to occur in younger populations, who mostly haven’t been vaccinated to this point, so I extrapolated that a bit based on widespread reports of side effects among the current groups being vaccinated. Perhaps I am guilty of hyperbole. If the side effects are widespread, younger people more likely to suffer them, and less likely to get a moderate or worse case of the virus, the cost/benefit to them becomes an actual consideration.
The numbers are what they are for those with no pre-existing conditions under 35-45 and they’re not too bad. I have heard of 0 professional athletes contracting severe cases, young people in great physical condition simply don’t seem to get terrible cases. Decent health occasionally. The effort to get younger healthy populations under 35 vaccinated is certainly far more about protecting the rest of the population than for their own good.
No reason to beat around the bush. The major complicating risk jeopardizing our health as a country and contracting severe cases, moreso than the issues that have been politicized, is that we are fat. And the large number of conditions related to being fat. Over 40% of Americans are obese, an increase of 26% since 2008. Over 70% of Americans are overweight.
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I’ve said some dicey things on here it’s their forum. Obviously you don’t agree with your own body your own choice based on your reply? I mean you fell into the trap
It was a trap and you fell for it. Think about the logic and what I said and where it came from before you reply to my statements. They are very purposeful.
Quote: DRichI just hope that eventually all employers will require it and all government benefits will require it. I agree it is your choice, but if you don't get it I also hope you never get unemployment, social security benefits, and any medicaid/ medicare. Hopefully businesses will require it to enter all stores.
Too bad for you I’ve been to the bottom already and know how to survive without that ... although I do have all of that so lol
Edit and once again anyone who disagrees with my statement doesn’t believe that the person who owns the body has the choice of what happens to it so
Quote: AZDuffmanYour idea sounds like East Germany!
funny thing about the social justice warriors and the progressives is that they cant shake the fact that they want people to be free yet free is defined by them and includes non freedoms lol
Quote: teliotModerna is much easier to work with as far as creating the doses. I think they do one vial at a time in prep. I hope that none are wasted at the end of the day, but the truth is that I don't know. When I use "The Google" to look for stories about this, it does seem quite common that a few doses are wasted each day. I'll ask about it and try and get a clearer answer next time I volunteer.
what really gets me about smart people like you is that you are too smart to think about why im saying what im saying. its not two intellectual people sharing a laugh about an inconsistency within something that is supposed to be important. so important weve put our lives and economy on hold for it. and here you are telling us that there are people who are so unimportant because of pre set rules that they cant get this vaccine.
Quote: mcallister3200Maybe pump the brakes a little bit heatmap sounds like you’re about to start talking about a shuffling machine and number of players playing.
ive been drinking so maybe you are right ... maybe after a few more shots ill be right though .... woo hoo hoo lets see where this goes
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No reason to beat around the bush. The major complicating risk jeopardizing our health as a country and contracting severe cases, moreso than the issues that have been politicized, is that we are fat. And the large number of conditions related to being fat. Over 40% of Americans are obese, an increase of 26% since 2008. Over 70% of Americans are overweight.
Probably correlates pretty well with the rise of the fast food restaurants since the late 50s.
NY just opened up eligibility to all with a variety of medical conditions. Probably 60+% will qualify. If you include those who already qualified by age, job .... probably 75% of adults qualify. The odds of getting an appointment will be small until J and J gets its approval.
Quote: mcallister3200I think if I intentionally gain 25 pounds or start smoking I’d be eligible in my state. What a joke, you get punished for not doing things virtually anyone could choose not to do. No first dose appointments available anyway.
Why is it a joke. If those factors you don’t exhibit make one high risk for bad outcomes?
Having vaccines thrown away is clearly suboptimal, but holding that aside risk based triaging seems efficient.
Quote: unJonWhy is it a joke. If those factors you don’t exhibit make one high risk for bad outcomes?
Having vaccines thrown away is clearly suboptimal, but holding that aside risk based triaging seems efficient.
For smoking? No one has to be a smoker. It’s a choice and habit, not a condition. That’s the one that’s just completely ridiculous to me. COVID has only been around a year, plenty of time to quit if they wanted to because of the risk. To be able to move ahead simply for choosing to be a smoker is absurd. Smoking is not a factor you exhibit it’s something you choose to continue to do.
And the borderline obesity cases to a lesser extent. Not class two or higher talking low 30’s BMI. If someone is overweight but 5 lbs under 30 BMI someone else 2 lbs over that is rather arbitrary and incentivizing poor habits. I’m overweight but less than the 30 BMI cutoff. They’re telling me if I would just have packed on 20+lbs in quarantine I can wait 3-6 less months? That’s aggravating, just annoying, not much difference between me and someone who barely qualifies, seems very arbitrary.
The negative qualifiers that are simply lifestyle choices moreso than conditions are what’s frustrating and a joke to me.
Quote: rxwineProbably correlates pretty well with the rise of the fast food restaurants since the late 50s.
Mom's working instead of having all day to cook healthy foods.
Quote: DRichI just hope that eventually all employers will require it and all government benefits will require it. I agree it is your choice, but if you don't get it I also hope you never get unemployment, social security benefits, and any medicaid/ medicare. Hopefully businesses will require it to enter all stores.
I dont think you'd really want that. Opens up a door that may never close. Sounds very Nazi Germany-ish.
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Quote: Zcore13I dont think you'd really want that. Opens up a door that may never close. Sounds very Nazi Germany-ish.
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As I understand it, people who don't get vaccinated will enable the virus to spread and the more it spreads the more it mutates.
The more it mutates, the less effective the vaccines are. At some point, shouldn't there be consequences for knowingly endangering the public?
Quote: billryanAs I understand it, people who don't get vaccinated will enable the virus to spread and the more it spreads the more it mutates.
The more it mutates, the less effective the vaccines are. At some point, shouldn't there be consequences for knowingly endangering the public?
No. Do you know if your co-worker has been vaccinated for all possible diseases? Should everyone be forced to get the flu shot? What about the chicken pox vaccine? Is it required to tell if you have AIDS or an STD?
I'm scheduled for my first dose Friday, but that's my choice. Others may not want to.
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Quote: Zcore13No. Do you know if your co-worker has been vaccinated for all possible diseases? Should everyone be forced to get the flu shot? What about the chicken pox vaccine? Is it required to tell if you have AIDS or an STD?
I'm scheduled for my first dose Friday, but that's my choice. Others may not want to.
The problem with the "my choice argument" is that your choice effects other people....could even kill them.
To me it is kind of like drinking all night and then driving and saying "well that is my choice". And that would be fine if it only effected you, but it doesn't.
Now nobody is going to mandate vaccines., hold people down and force it upon them. But it is not unreasonable that there are going to be things you forfeit if you choose to put others at risk. For starters, people shouldn't be able to fly if they choose not to be vaccinated. Kids won't be able to attend school, same as other vaccines. Your employer could require it for you to work. Restaurants and businesses could require it for you to visit their establishment. And none of this seems unreasonable to me.
I mean a person choosing not to be vaccinated goes into a workplace or bar or restaurant, spreading the virus, many people get sick, and it is traced back to that establishment, THEY get sued. Imagine a restaurant in the news for causing an outbreak. They can lose everything they have worked a lifetime to build up.
I don't know what the answer is. Yes you have the right to choose not to be vaccinated. But should others have to pay for that decision? (possibly with their life)
Quote: kewljThe problem with the "my choice argument" is that your choice effects other people....could even kill them.
To me it is kind of like drinking all night and then driving and saying "well that is my choice". And that would be fine if it only effected you, but it doesn't.
Now nobody is going to mandate vaccines., hold people down and force it upon them. But it is not unreasonable that there are going to be things you forfeit if you choose to put others at risk. For starters, people shouldn't be able to fly if they choose not to be vaccinated. Kids won't be able to attend school, same as other vaccines. Your employer could require it for you to work. Restaurants and businesses could require it for you to visit their establishment. And none of this seems unreasonable to me.
I mean a person choosing not to be vaccinated goes into a workplace or bar or restaurant, spreading the virus, many people get sick, and it is traced back to that establishment, THEY get sued. Imagine a restaurant in the news for causing an outbreak. They can lose everything they have worked a lifetime to build up.
I don't know what the answer is. Yes you have the right to choose not to be vaccinated. But should others have to pay for that decision? (possibly with their life)
The flaw in your argument is I cannot take a "DUI Vaccine" that protects me against you crashing into me. You take the vaccine and you are protected. If I get sick then I am no threat to you.
There should not be lawsuits of any kind because "I got you sick." I mean, you can stay home if you are that afraid of being sick. Just hide there for life. You don't like that statement? Well, then quit suggesting I get locked out of society for not doing something you demand.
Reality is that viruses exist and you have to deal with that. You want some kind of total protection. First it was masks now it is a vaccine. What is next? Life must be lived with the risks in it. The safe thing is stay home if you think you will "catch something."
The hole in the logic of demanding vaccines is wide enough to drive a semi thru. You say it works and there are no side effects. Then you say I have to take it because if I do not it does not work. But if it does not work why should I take it?
Quote: SOOPOOOnce I qualified for the vaccine I went to my local my Wegmans. They have a sign saying if you want the vaccine sign up for an appointment at Wegmans.com. Of course no appointments were available. I asked the counter girl, probably a ‘pharmacy assistant’, if I could leave my name and phone number to be called in case there was a no show. I live less than 5 minutes away. She said they don’t take names like that. I asked her what they do if they have a late cancellation. She said she does not know. Behind the counter were a bunch of other people working. I ask her to ask the chief pharmacist. She gets into a little huddle with them, and politely comes back saying none of them know! But she said if I leave my name and number they will call me back when she finds out. About an hour later I get a call, and she said they offer any extra doses to in store employees. Seemed odd that NONE of the people behind the counter knew that when I asked.
NY just opened up eligibility to all with a variety of medical conditions. Probably 60+% will qualify. If you include those who already qualified by age, job .... probably 75% of adults qualify. The odds of getting an appointment will be small until J and J gets its approval.
I do not have a problem with any of that. Taking standby names opens up all kinds of problems. And them not knowing a procedure for noshows on a new thing well that happens. No matter how careful something is planned things always come up. No battle plan lasts past first contact with the enemy, that is something I wish I learned more in college business classes.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe flaw in your argument is I cannot take a "DUI Vaccine" that protects me against you crashing into me. You take the vaccine and you are protected. If I get sick then I am no threat to you.
There should not be lawsuits of any kind because "I got you sick." I mean, you can stay home if you are that afraid of being sick. Just hide there for life. You don't like that statement? Well, then quit suggesting I get locked out of society for not doing something you demand.
Reality is that viruses exist and you have to deal with that. You want some kind of total protection. First it was masks now it is a vaccine. What is next? Life must be lived with the risks in it. The safe thing is stay home if you think you will "catch something."
The hole in the logic of demanding vaccines is wide enough to drive a semi thru. You say it works and there are no side effects. Then you say I have to take it because if I do not it does not work. But if it does not work why should I take it?
Do some research into how vaccines work?
It doesn't stop you from catching or spreading the virus. You just won't get sick because you already have antibodies.
The vaccine loses effectiveness of half the population who catches it don't have the Antibodies because it gives the virus more chance to mutate.
Again you fail to understand group necessary procedures and how your choice affects others.
Take littering. By your logic, you should be free to litter without consequence. Nobody who wishes to avoid garbage on the ground needs to leave their homes if they are afraid of a little junk. How does your litter affect anyone else's life.
If you can understand the concept of littering and why it's citizen's on the whole have to contribute you should be able to understand about vaccines
Quote: darkozDo some research into how vaccines work?
It doesn't stop you from catching or spreading the virus. You just won't get sick because you already have antibodies.
Then you will not get sick if I get it. Problem solved for the both of us.
Quote:The vaccine loses effectiveness of half the population who catches it don't have the Antibodies because it gives the virus more chance to mutate.
Again you fail to understand group necessary procedures and how your choice affects others.
Take littering. By your logic, you should be free to litter without consequence. Nobody who wishes to avoid garbage on the ground needs to leave their homes if they are afraid of a little junk. How does your litter affect anyone else's life.
If you can understand the concept of littering and why it's citizen's on the whole have to contribute you should be able to understand about vaccines
But the difference is littering is an active thing. A person for example throwing their Starbucks cup on the ground is active. A virus is just out there, While I remember some show in the 2000s where they gave an example of a terrorist infecting themself with smallpox and cruising NYC for days until they get sick, such a thing is not the case.
