CTR for low income people
https://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/11-things-you-didnt-know-you-could-buy-with-food-stamps/
Over the past few years, EBT has been used for some “questionable” items. Here are 11 questionable items that you can (or will soon be able to) purchase with an EBT card.
Quesarito: Taco Bell is one of many fast food restaurants that accept EBT cards. Guacamole is extra? Who cares? It’s on the taxpayer.
Bail: Convicted felons – like drug dealer Kimball Clark – have reportedly used their EBT as bail money. Clark reportedly instructed someone to go to an ATM to withdraw money from his EBT for bail. Because it’s difficult to trace ATM abuse, many speculate this problem is more widespread and not just found in isolated incidents.
Lingerie: Kiss My Lingerie, an adult store in Gonzales, Louisiana, accepts EBT. Other adult stores have also been known to accept welfare transactions. In this case, officials said the store doesn’t violate the rules for EBT because of discrepancies in the law.
KFC: Well, chicken is a protein, and protein is good for you, right? KFC is another well-known fast food chain that accepts EBT.
Shoes: While Payless ShoeSource is known for their BOGO sales, they’re certainly not the cheapest place to buy shoes. Despite the prices and functionality, they also accept EBT.
Strip clubs: Last year, the New York Post reported that FOIA requests revealed welfare recipients were regularly making EBT withdrawals at the ATMs near and inside infamous porn shops, liquor stores, lounges and hookah parlors. Technically, it also doesn’t break the law because of the “cash assistance program.”
Lobster: There have been multiple cases of this. As long as it’s not tobacco or alcohol, you’re golden.
Starbucks: While corporate stores don’t accept EBT, any Starbucks in a Target or grocery chain is considered a grocery item. So $7.00 for a mocha cookie crumble frappuccino and pumpkin loaf? Go.
Cold hard cash: Some people are in the business of selling their EBT benefits for cash. Craigslist has been a great conduit for these “creative entrepreneurs.”
K-cups: A lot of people don’t buy coffee in this form because it’s too expensive, but it’s not off limits in the world of welfare.
Cupcakes/Gourmet cakes: It’s considered food, no matter the price. Hello, non-essential $45 cake.
Coming Soon? Pot: Colorado became the first state to legalize the use of recreational marijuana, and they also might become the first state to have tax payer funded pot smoking. A Colorado Pot Shop called Rite Greens has already taken the steps to officially accept EBT.
The government currently spends over $110 billion a year on food assistance programs, and they’re continually attempting to get more people on board the government program. (RELATED: USDA Partnering With Mexico To Boost Food Stamp Participation)
Quote: billryanI got bored with bozosBoz's rantings well over a year ago. Only person I've ever put on ignore. Somehow, I have managed to survive. As has the Republic.
Quote: billryanThat was actually auto correct. Sometimes machines have a sense of humour.
I'm going to offer a presumption of innocence here, and amend the quote as shown above.
Don't let it go uncorrected again, please. I will have no choice but to swing the banhammer.
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Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: billryanI got bored with bozosBoz's rantings well over a year ago. Only person I've ever put on ignore. Somehow, I have managed to survive. As has the Republic.
I'm going to offer a presumption of innocence here, and amend the quote as shown above.
Don't let it go uncorrected again, please. I will have no choice but to swing the banhammer.
I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out, and since Max quoted it, I figured me editing my post would be weak. I will certainly try to avoid it in the future, but my track record with typing and typos speaks for itself.
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: billryanI got bored with bozosBoz's rantings well over a year ago. Only person I've ever put on ignore. Somehow, I have managed to survive. As has the Republic.
I'm going to offer a presumption of innocence here, and amend the quote as shown above.
Don't let it go uncorrected again, please. I will have no choice but to swing the banhammer.
Good call, no reason for a suspension there.
Not that it’s my place to question anyone.
Quote: ChumpChangeAnybody get a CTR filed on themselves for racking up too many Player's Club points in a day? If it takes $5 of slot play to win a point, that'd be 2,000 points to make a $10,000 coin-in. Maybe casinos don't use points for that calculation and actually do know how much you put in the bill inserter and couple it with your card account. You'd never know, but you'd never know if the backroom gave you a jackpot because you looked "hot".
It appeared to me that darkoz told you that's exactly what AC does to track cash movement (though probably not the only way ). Perhaps I misunderstood what he said. I don't know the answer of my own experience. That amount has only been a question a couple of times.
Quote: AxelWolfI dont know if this is true or not, but I have no doubt any and all of this has, will or is happening.
https://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/11-things-you-didnt-know-you-could-buy-with-food-stamps/
Over the past few years, EBT has been used for some “questionable” items. Here are 11 questionable items that you can (or will soon be able to) purchase with an EBT card.
Ebt abuse is for the poor; and loopholes and obscure tax law abuse is for the rich. I just don't see any more reason to demonize one group over another and pretend one is so much worse.
If I were to do anything, every law to check the poor cheating would have to pass with a similar law aimed at everyone else's cheating. Then I could probably listen to Boz complain without scoffing.
Quote: darkozHaving won jackpots in a number of different east coast states you are simply asked for your ssn. I didnt have ro show the actual card or a facsimile.
I could easily have lied and gave a fake number.
They should make you sign a W-9 form where you attest to the number under penalty of perjury
Quote: ChumpChangeAnybody get a CTR filed on themselves for racking up too many Player's Club points in a day? If it takes $5 of slot play to win a point, that'd be 2,000 points to make a $10,000 coin-in. Maybe casinos don't use points for that calculation and actually do know how much you put in the bill inserter and couple it with your card account. You'd never know, but you'd never know if the backroom gave you a jackpot because you looked "hot".
Can't happen. CTR only covers CASH. If you put a $20 bill into a machine and can grind away for hours, and you have $12,000 in handle, you still only put $20 into the machine. No CTR.
what state only has income and not net worth means test for food stamps/housing assistance welfare benefits?Quote: BozNo it’s not. It’s an AP move doing it legally if there is not a means test on net worth, only current income.
We shouldn’t punish people who saved their entire life, yet don’t work.
That said, you and Bill both seem to know more than the average bear about the SNAP application.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt appeared to me that darkoz told you that's exactly what AC does to track cash movement (though probably not the only way ). Perhaps I misunderstood what he said. I don't know the answer of my own experience. That amount has only been a question a couple of times.
Not quite.
Nothing to do coin in points.
It is tracking the printing of the vouchers at cashout.
Cashout from the slots $10,000+ and redeem with your player card in and it will keep track of the aggregate.
Even if you just put money and and cash out without play. In fact that would trigger even faster as that would be suspicion of money laundering techniques
Drawbacks
When coinless slots were first introduced onto the casino floor, players complained mainly about the difficulty of moving from machine to machine. If they wanted to switch machines they had to take their voucher over to the cashier and convert it back to money to put into the next slot. Fortunately, manufacturers quickly addressed this problem. Today's machines now accept vouchers from other machines as payment. If you are in a hurry when you cash out, you can even just put the voucher in your wallet or purse and use it when you play later.
I'm going to say a gambling session is the life of one TITO card. No more trying to look up the slot machine number and writing that down. Just aggregate the cash inserted onto a TITO card, and what you redeemed it for after playing.
Quote: ChumpChangeAnybody get a CTR filed on themselves for racking up too many Player's Club points in a day? If it takes $5 of slot play to win a point, that'd be 2,000 points to make a $10,000 coin-in. Maybe casinos don't use points for that calculation and actually do know how much you put in the bill inserter and couple it with your card account. You'd never know, but you'd never know if the backroom gave you a jackpot because you looked "hot".
CTR's are only given for CASH going in or out over $10k. You could rack up millions of slot points and not get a CTR.
When I cash out the voucher at the Ticket Redemption, there's no need to insert the players card, how does the Ticket Redemption register the voucher to my players card?
Quote: ReyGarciaCash out at kiosks? Do you mean cash out at Ticket Redemption?
When I cash out the voucher at the Ticket Redemption, there's no need to insert the players card, how does the Ticket Redemption register the voucher to my players card?
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So you may call me Rey, or you may call me Jay, or you may call me...the "friend" referenced in the first post.
Not that it really matters, but seems to be a classic SWIM thread.
Quote: ReyGarciaCash out at kiosks? Do you mean cash out at Ticket Redemption?
When I cash out the voucher at the Ticket Redemption, there's no need to insert the players card, how does the Ticket Redemption register the voucher to my players card?
The slot machine system knows who cashed that ticket out of the slot machine because you had a players card in. Some systems will lose track if you pull your card out before printing the TITO. The ticket redemption kiosk can be told by the system that the current ticket puts a customer over $10k and it will then tell you to go to the cashier to cash it out.
Quote: FCBLComishThey should make you sign a W-9 form where you attest to the number under penalty of perjury
That I probably have signed
Would not have been successful stopping me from lying if I was so attuned (I never lie about my ssn just saying they never checked)
I wonder the number of cases tried and convicted for lying on a W-9 when winning a jackpot. Something tells me very little to none
Quote: darkozThat I probably have signed
Would not have been successful stopping me from lying if I was so attuned (I never lie about my ssn just saying they never checked)
I wonder the number of cases tried and convicted for lying on a W-9 when winning a jackpot. Something tells me very little to none
Not sure they would ever do the research to find the offender.
That said, the scumball who would lie on a W-9 to avoid taxes that go to help starving kids born to crack/meth heads of all races dependent on WIC should be prosecuted.
I would assume you agree.
Quote: BozNot sure they would ever do the research to find the offender.
That said, the scumball who would lie on a W-9 to avoid taxes that go to help starving kids born to crack/meth heads of all races dependent on WIC should be prosecuted.
I would assume you agree.
Yes i do.
At least we agree regardless of politics that tax evasion is a crime (not like a few members on here)
Quote: darkozYes i do.
At least we agree regardless of politics that tax evasion is a crime (not like a few members on here)
Yeah, I'm sure you're paying all matching FICA taxes and doing all proper withholdings on all of your supposed employees and/or issuing all appropriate 1099's. Why don't you stop before you embarrass yourself further....lol
Quote: MaxPenYeah, I'm sure you're paying all matching FICA taxes and doing all proper withholdings on all of your supposed employees and/or issuing all appropriate 1099's. Why don't you stop before you embarrass yourself further....lol
You purport to know more about my taxes than Donald Trumps taxes.
And yet have seen neither
Quote: darkozYou purport to know more about my taxes than Donald Trumps taxes.
And yet have seen neither
I could care less about anyone's taxes. All people should refuse to pay tax on wage income in my opinion. You're the one holding yourself out as some sort of do good complier when it is obvious you're not. At the same time calling others criminals for doing the same,,,,it is laughable.
Quote: MaxPenI could care less about anyone's taxes. All people should refuse to pay tax on wage income in my opinion. You're the one holding yourself out as some sort of do good complier when it is obvious you're not. At the same time calling others criminals for doing the same,,,,it is laughable.
I am aware of tax requirements and to my knowledge am compliant.
As an AP I boast about doing legal manuevers in the casino.
As I once said to a friend of mine, I dont break any laws inside casinos because I am scared of going to jail. I dont break any laws OUTSIDE casinos for the same damn reason.
Your assumptions are just that. Assumptions.
Quote: darkozI am aware of tax requirements and to my knowledge am compliant.
As an AP I boast about doing legal manuevers in the casino.
As I once said to a friend of mine, I dont break any laws inside casinos because I am scared of going to jail. I dont break any laws OUTSIDE casinos for the same damn reason.
Your assumptions are just that. Assumptions.
Are you hallucinating?
I can send someone a pair of these to go check on you.
Quote: darkozI am aware of tax requirements and to my knowledge am compliant.
As an AP I boast about doing legal manuevers in the casino.
As I once said to a friend of mine, I dont break any laws inside casinos because I am scared of going to jail. I dont break any laws OUTSIDE casinos for the same damn reason.
Your assumptions are just that. Assumptions.
Clearly, you are running a business. Do you have all of the appropriate licenses? As Max asked, do you 1099 all of your "employees"?
But then they might lose all their government benefits.Quote: DRichClearly, you are running a business. Do you have all of the appropriate licenses? As Max asked, do you 1099 all of your "employees"?
Quote: AxelWolfBut then they might lose all their government benefits.
I receive no government benefits
I cant speak for my people. Thats their business.
Quote: darkozI receive no government benefits
I cant speak for my people. Thats their business.
You are clearly avoiding the question. You have often said you have people working for you. Do you either give them a W2 or 1099? I'll bet $1 you do neither. I'll also bet $1 your actual income far exceeds what you declare on your tax return. I would say that is true for EVERY AP on this site.
So, I'll just come out and ask, are any of your family members on public assistance or whatever you call it SNAP Blah blah blah?Quote: darkozI receive no government benefits
I cant speak for my people. Thats their business.
Quote: SOOPOOYou are clearly avoiding the question. You have often said you have people working for you. Do you either give them a W2 or 1099? I'll bet $1 you do neither. I'll also bet $1 your actual income far exceeds what you declare on your tax return. I would say that is true for EVERY AP on this site.
I have had tax specialists look into my situation and am following their advice.
I am pretty confident I follow what is necessary for the tax code.
Quote: AxelWolfSo, I'll just come out and ask, are any of your family members on public assistance or whatever you call it SNAP Blah blah blah?
Not me
Not my children
I believe my childrens mother is but she is terminally ill on chemotherapy. Or her government job which she had for 15 years is covering some of it.
We unfortunately dont speak like we used to
I dont have any other immediately family i am close to
Quote: darkozI have had tax specialists look into my situation and am following their advice.
I am pretty confident I follow what is necessary for the tax code.
All people who work for you or your business require you giving them either a W-2 or 1099. So which is it? Or do "your people" all make less than $600 a year? Is your organization a sole proprietorship, S-Corp, LLC, or C Corp?
Quote: MaxPen
All people who work for you or your business require you giving them either a W-2 or 1099. So which is it? Or do "your people" all make less than $600 a year? Is your organization a sole proprietorship, S-Corp, LLC, or C Corp?
Im not running a Mcdonalds lol
Was this the tax expert you consulted?
Quote: MaxPen
Was this the tax expert you consulted?
You always can tell when you have people stumped when they start resorting to funny memes
Is it the case that many of the APs on here are collecting welfare?
The assumption that members of my family most of whom are making their money AP lifestyle are collecting SNAP benefits is interesting.
Most people assume others are doing the same thing they are.
You couldn't pay me to get back on SNAP (I hated it.) But when I needed it I hung my head and applied.
The fantasy that getting $176 every 2 weeks is somehow a grand lifestyle that lazy people seek out is hilarious (and when I was last on it 6 years ago thats what it was $176 twice a month in NYC. What a windfall).
So if you guys are committing welfare fraud while driving your sedans and under-reporting your income, dont assume everyone does it
Quote: darkoz
You always can tell when you have people stumped when they start resorting to funny memes
Definitely not stumped. You just confirmed what everyone should have already known.
I'm fairly certain that I can say with confidence that none of the guys here bantering with you are on snap or any of that other crap, at least no one that I've met.Quote: darkozI never assumed this before but since Axel asked as if it was an expectation of fact...
Is it the case that many of the APs on here are collecting welfare?
The assumption that members of my family most of whom are making their money AP lifestyle are collecting SNAP benefits is interesting.
Most people assume others are doing the same thing they are.
You couldn't pay me to get back on SNAP (I hated it.) But when I needed it I hung my head and applied.
The fantasy that getting $176 every 2 weeks is somehow a grand lifestyle that lazy people seek out is hilarious (and when I was last on it 6 years ago thats what it was $176 twice a month in NYC. What a windfall).
So if you guys are committing welfare fraud while driving your sedans and under-reporting your income, dont assume everyone does it
Quote: AxelWolfI'm fairly certain that I can say with confidence that none of the guys here bantering with you are on snap or any of that other crap, at least no one that I've met.
Well, thats good news.
I will take you at your word.
So why assume I am or my family members are?
Because liberals collect Snap benefits?
People living in NYC?
Just curious why you asked that question like it was expected of me or my family
what, you trying to get me suspended or something here? :-)Quote: darkoz
So why assume I am or my family members are?
Quote: AxelWolfwhat, you trying to get me suspended or something here? :-)
Lol no furthest from my thoughts.
Unless that was your thoughts about liberals.
I support needy people collecting SNAP. I did when I was in need.
When I started making money as an AP first thing I did was get off the SNAP rolls.
I am for welfare. I am against welfare fraud.
Is there welfare fraud? Of course.
Theres also bank fraud, credit card fraud, insurance fraud etc.
I am for banks, and insurance and credit card companies doing business while still against fraud abuses of those companies
Quote: darkoz(and when I was last on it 6 years ago thats what it was $176 twice a month in NYC. What a windfall).
Now I'm really confused. You were running around messing with roulette systems and collecting welfare?
Note I said confused and not surprised.
Back in 2014 I was doing doey/dont in AC(I dont do that any longer) Electronic games since it was on different players cards.
Back then they didnt have E-Craps so I had to do roulette. Technically not doey/dont, we can call it reddie/blackey, lol.
This particular occasion one color results was hugely lopsided. I dont remember which lets just say red.
4 out of 5 spins went red and so the black side lost huge and the red side won huge.
With kiosk restrictions at $3000 we would cash out at $2700. So it took four cashouts to exceed $10,000.
After the 4th cashout, the players card locked. No points were accrued and a message said go see customer service
Although I use other players card many times the players are in the casino with me (so not even violating casino rules lol). They stick around for the nice shopping spree with comps when I am finished
So I sent up the person. I went with her and she was told she had exceeded $10,000 in cash transactions. They required her to supply her ssn.
Here is where it got wonky. Even though she was a US citizen with a ssn and married for 15 years to a born American she suddenly had an irrational fear of being deported if she gave her ssn. She had worked with me many times before but never needed her ssn supplied. This is way before trump so... this is how immigrants feel or fear.
A host tried to convince her she was going to get comped well, even cruises but she would have none of it. I lost my investment in her as a result.
But back to the point.
The other players card had the exact same coin-in and wagers but triggered nothing.
Therefore we can conclude feeding money to the casino is not considered a cash transaction (whether it sounds ridiculous or not)
Cashing out from a casino redemption machine is considered cash transactions and with a players card they keep aggregate reporting.
Prior to and after that I have placed multiple vouchers from different players cards into redemption machines. You would be there all day doing it one by one. AND THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE that is different players cards vouchers at the redemption machine together dont trigger any alarm bells or issues..
So I am pretty certain it is not the redemption machine doing the tracking but the slot at cashout.
Since people tito all day long between machines I am guessing they amount of cashout goes into a limbo state or potential state. Put it into another slot and the tracking continues. Put it into a redemption machine and the potential info becomes kinetic and is sent to the mainframe for aggregate accounting.
Anyway, hope that helps explain a bit how it works.
Quote: MaxPenNow I'm really confused. You were running around messing with roulette systems and collecting welfare?
Note I said confused and not surprised.
Im confused how you came to that conclusion. I was homeless till 2013. In 2012 I began AP but it was real low level, not enough to support myself get an apartment etc.
Once it allowed me to be self-sufficient I got off the welfare rolls
Quote: ChumpChangeAfter they fill out the form for the first $10K of the day, and you keep playing; do they amend the original form, tear the old one up and write a new form with a higher amount, or do they just write up a new form for every $10,000 barrier you surpass between forms if you're going up by $10K's?
I have no idea how that works.
But an educated guess is the written CTR is computerized or maybe directly input into the computer and additional gambling would just cause an amended report.
Drich probably knows better.
As far as the tracking of cash-in at the machine and cash-out at the kiosk, it all depends on the software the casino has installed. Some can track that data and some can't.
Edit: Just wanted to note that as stated above this is for strictly cash-in events and not Tito in events. Didn't want to confuse the issue.
