Boz
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July 3rd, 2019 at 5:36:30 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have been on public assistance in the past although not for many years.

I was homeless at one point remember?

And current net worth is a qualification for being on public assistance.

Basketball players who earned tens of millions dont get to claim public subsidies the year after they retired while sitting on their millions in the bank.

Surprised a rightie would be arguing for that.

Regardless of when you earned money if you have no NEED for funds, you do not qualify.

And bank account info is asked and required. Bank books are routinely scrutinized as part of the intake qualification process.



Yea I forgot, being a criminal illegal is good. Working and saving is bad. The America some dream of, and exactly why Trump will be re-elected.
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I pay more than my fair share so your friend can gamble. I hate him.
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darkoz
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July 3rd, 2019 at 5:55:35 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Yea I forgot, being a criminal illegal is good. Working and saving is bad. The America some dream of, and exactly why Trump will be re-elected.



There is nothing wrong with working and saving

Isn't the idea of saving so you are not needy?

Why would your position be that people with means receive welfare?

Isnt the right upset at tax payer dollars going to people who dont deserve it?

The point of welfare is to help those who cant help themselves. You have argued they should get a job

Why would you argue those who have worked hard get welfare they dont need to pay their bills so they can stay home and not work?
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Boz
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July 3rd, 2019 at 9:09:20 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

There is nothing wrong with working and saving

Isn't the idea of saving so you are not needy?

Why would your position be that people with means receive welfare?

Isnt the right upset at tax payer dollars going to people who dont deserve it?

The point of welfare is to help those who cant help themselves. You have argued they should get a job

Why would you argue those who have worked hard get welfare they dont need to pay their bills so they can stay home and not work?



Skipping 1 because itís nonsense.

#2, shouldnít we reward those who paid their Unfair share of taxes over the years in a system that punishes success?

#3 absolutely, those who choose not to work hard and make the tough choices in life donít deserve help.

#4Show me people who ďcanít help themselves ď. Iím all for helping the mentally and physically challenged. Iím not for helping junkies, people who breed when they canít afford their kids and those who failed in Hollywood.

#5 again not welfare but a reward for years off hard work. Maybe itís a lesson for future generations that America offers opportunities for success. And there are winners and losers in life. Surely a guy like you Fing casinos up and down the East Coast would appreciate being rewarded for it. And I donít believe for a minute you think others are too stupid to do what you did. Or do you think you are smarter and better than them?

Face it, either every homeless person can do what you did, or they canít. If not, why?

You are the American success story. Explain to me why the average non mentally challenged person canít do what you do on a daily basis, striking fear into casinos.
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July 3rd, 2019 at 9:25:06 PM permalink
How low does your net worth and/or income have to be to get on SNAP or w/e the hell they call it these days? Also, what is/are the way(s) to legally hide income and net worth, if at all possible? Not just SNAP, but what about food stamps, welfare, mothers with children (I'm a tranny and my pet cactus identifies as a child, check mate), and any other government freebies that I don't know about. Oh, and can I get on that gravy train that is section-8 housing even if I own my place?
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July 3rd, 2019 at 10:18:16 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Skipping 1 because itís nonsense.

#2, shouldnít we reward those who paid their Unfair share of taxes over the years in a system that punishes success?

#3 absolutely, those who choose not to work hard and make the tough choices in life donít deserve help.

#4Show me people who ďcanít help themselves ď. Iím all for helping the mentally and physically challenged. Iím not for helping junkies, people who breed when they canít afford their kids and those who failed in Hollywood.

#5 again not welfare but a reward for years off hard work. Maybe itís a lesson for future generations that America offers opportunities for success. And there are winners and losers in life. Surely a guy like you Fing casinos up and down the East Coast would appreciate being rewarded for it. And I donít believe for a minute you think others are too stupid to do what you did. Or do you think you are smarter and better than them?

Face it, either every homeless person can do what you did, or they canít. If not, why?

You are the American success story. Explain to me why the average non mentally challenged person canít do what you do on a daily basis, striking fear into casinos.



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darkoz
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July 3rd, 2019 at 10:35:53 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Skipping 1 because itís nonsense.

#2, shouldnít we reward those who paid their Unfair share of taxes over the years in a system that punishes success?

#3 absolutely, those who choose not to work hard and make the tough choices in life donít deserve help.

#4Show me people who ďcanít help themselves ď. Iím all for helping the mentally and physically challenged. Iím not for helping junkies, people who breed when they canít afford their kids and those who failed in Hollywood.

#5 again not welfare but a reward for years off hard work. Maybe itís a lesson for future generations that America offers opportunities for success. And there are winners and losers in life. Surely a guy like you Fing casinos up and down the East Coast would appreciate being rewarded for it. And I donít believe for a minute you think others are too stupid to do what you did. Or do you think you are smarter and better than them?

Face it, either every homeless person can do what you did, or they canít. If not, why?

You are the American success story. Explain to me why the average non mentally challenged person canít do what you do on a daily basis, striking fear into casinos.



We are talking about snap welfare benefits and qualifications

If you want to suggest there be some rich mans monetary reward system you are welcome to platform on that. To my knowledge one does not exist yet.

Welfare would not be that olatform as you state. Its for the needy. Being rich and unemployed is not needy.

I would suggest someone rich invest into a business so they can still stay at home and still have income (if they are rich enough to do that)

Can every homeless person or even American do what I do?

Probably not. I dont like to say this but the average person is not very intelligent. Thats from all walks of life.

Evidence? Walk into any casino and count how many people are TRYING TO WIN. And their chosen method is wiping the plastic screen of the slot with their fingers as they spin or saying a hail mary.

AND THEN INSISTING THESE METHODS WORK

and you will quickly come to the conclusion that no, not everyone can do what I do.

There is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of things I cant do, as well.
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darkoz
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July 3rd, 2019 at 10:42:04 PM permalink
Quote: RS

How low does your net worth and/or income have to be to get on SNAP or w/e the hell they call it these days? Also, what is/are the way(s) to legally hide income and net worth, if at all possible? Not just SNAP, but what about food stamps, welfare, mothers with children (I'm a tranny and my pet cactus identifies as a child, check mate), and any other government freebies that I don't know about. Oh, and can I get on that gravy train that is section-8 housing even if I own my place?



https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefits

$2500 without an elderly person in the household or $3500 with an elderly person is the max for your net worth to be eligible for snap/welfare.

Illegal immigrants are not eligible (its at the official link)

Even certain legal immigrants are not although it didnt specify what the requirements were.

If you own your own place why would you need section 8 smh?

The mantra of righties seems to be everyone on welfare is cheating but then they crow about how can they jump on the bandwagon by welfare cheating (like collecting section 8 while owning your own place would be)
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July 4th, 2019 at 12:35:11 AM permalink
When you say "he filed CTR" I assume you mean that either the casinos or the banks filed a CTR on his activity - that he either withdrew or deposited over $10K cash during a 24 hour period.

There are also two kinds of cash CTRs - one is the absolute kind that must be filed if the $10K threshold is breached, but the other may be filed even if not breached for "suspicious activity."

He can't really know for sure that this was done, that these CTRs were filed, not like the casino cashier or bank teller tells him it was done, or hands him anything to sign, your friend just must know because of his activity.

When I used to play heavily, I am sure that a lot of these were filed on me, but only at the casinos. I was never dumb enough to deposit over $10K cash at once into the bank, nor would I make enough just under $10K deposits at the bank over a short time period to arouse suspicion. Also, I was always careful to accept large sums of cash at the casinos for winnings only when I needed it to say pay off a marker or markers at another casino, that way the government would see over $10K being withdrawn, sure, but also over $10K being deposited very soon afterwards, all at casinos. The rest of the times when I was leaving town way ahead, I would have the winnings wired or accept a casino check.

Anyway, if your friend gets enough of these CTRs filed on him and they point to more being withdrawn than deposited at the casinos, or just plain too much being deposited at his banks, and this net positive cash flow activity conflicts with what he's claiming on his tax returns (if he's even filing - maybe he has no claimed income), he could get audited if he has filed, or even hauled in to explain why he hasn't filed. And if he's audited and has to file amended tax returns, or suddenly has to file new tax returns where before he was under the threshold and wasn't filing at all, these new or amended returns in turn could jeopardize his government relief you mention, or cause him issues for past benefits paid out against these new or amended tax returns.

Playing with a bunch of cash at the casino doesn't necessarily mean that a person is wealthy, although most of the time it does tend to mean that. The guy could be playing with borrowed money, for example. But all of those CTRs could, as noted above, lead to questions that he might not want to have to answer.
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July 4th, 2019 at 11:14:16 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

How low does your net worth and/or income have to be to get on SNAP or w/e the hell they call it these days? Also, what is/are the way(s) to legally hide income and net worth, if at all possible? Not just SNAP, but what about food stamps, welfare, mothers with children (I'm a tranny and my pet cactus identifies as a child, check mate), and any other government freebies that I don't know about. Oh, and can I get on that gravy train that is section-8 housing even if I own my place?



https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefits

$2500 without an elderly person in the household or $3500 with an elderly person is the max for your net worth to be eligible for snap/welfare.

Illegal immigrants are not eligible (its at the official link)

Even certain legal immigrants are not although it didnt specify what the requirements were.

If you own your own place why would you need section 8 smh?

The mantra of righties seems to be everyone on welfare is cheating but then they crow about how can they jump on the bandwagon by welfare cheating (like collecting section 8 while owning your own place would be)



The governments definition of assets is different than most peoples. Most people consider a house to be an asset. Not the government. Most people would look at someone with a $200,000 IRA and consider that an asset. Not the government. It varies from state to state. In NY, it seemed like the default decision for homeless vets was to deny them and make them navigate the complex appeals procedure. In Nevada, it is the opposite. Rather than toss back applications and say denied, they walk people through the process and correct minor errors instead of rejecting the application.
If there is one thing volunteering has taught me, it is the importance of filling out paperwork correctly and how vital it is to have someone navigate you through the process. It's bad enough to mess up your own paperwork but to find out a homeless vet is still out there on the street because you messed up his application is nauseating.

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