CTR for low income people
However, he gambled with 6 figures this year in casinos. He filed multiple CTR even though he never won.
He lives in a rental house, files very little income every year, so the government must think he's poor, but he's actually not poor. Gambling with that kind of amount is somewhat suspicious.
Does filing CTR affect his tax or welfare status in any way?
Uncle Sam is responsible for everyone's low income.Quote: ReyGarciaMy friend is taking low-income welfare from uncle sam.
Quote: ReyGarciaMy friend is taking low-income welfare from uncle sam.
However, he gambled with 6 figures this year in casinos. He filed multiple CTR even though he never won.
He lives in a rental house, files very little income every year, so the government must think he's poor, but he's actually not poor. Gambling with that kind of amount is somewhat suspicious.
Does filing CTR affect his tax or welfare status in any way?
If it doesnt it should.
They probably dont cross reference each other. That is CTRs are not likely sent to welfare departments.
However its the type of thing that could come back to bite you in the arse one day. Not smart.
Please be aware that trying to avoid a CTR is a crime and if casino staff suspect this a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) will be filed and those get a lot more attention than a CTR. SARs are something you do not want to have filed on you. FinCEN and the AML/BSA regulations/laws are taken quite seriously by most casinos.
Quote: billryanThere is a box on every application for SNAP asking specifically about gambling. Wins and losses. I think it's a crime to falsely fill out these things and certainly collecting under false pretenses is actionable.
This is correct.
They even ask how much money you currently have in any bank accounts and other financial holdings.
Being rich and losing tens of thousands while collecting welfare benefits is fraud
Quote: darkozThis is correct.
They even ask how much money you currently have in any bank accounts and other financial holdings.
Being rich and losing tens of thousands while collecting welfare benefits is fraud
No it’s not. It’s an AP move doing it legally if there is not a means test on net worth, only current income. We shouldn’t punish people who saved their entire life, yet don’t work.
That said, you and Bill both seem to know more than the average bear about the SNAP application.
Quote: BozNo it’s not. It’s an AP move doing it legally if there is not a means test on net worth, only current income. We shouldn’t punish people who saved their entire life, yet don’t work.
That said, you and Bill both seem to know more than the average bear about the SNAP application.
I have been on public assistance in the past although not for many years.
I was homeless at one point remember?
And current net worth is a qualification for being on public assistance.
Basketball players who earned tens of millions dont get to claim public subsidies the year after they retired while sitting on their millions in the bank.
Surprised a rightie would be arguing for that.
Regardless of when you earned money if you have no NEED for funds, you do not qualify.
And bank account info is asked and required. Bank books are routinely scrutinized as part of the intake qualification process.
Quote: darkozI have been on public assistance in the past although not for many years.
I was homeless at one point remember?
And current net worth is a qualification for being on public assistance.
Basketball players who earned tens of millions dont get to claim public subsidies the year after they retired while sitting on their millions in the bank.
Surprised a rightie would be arguing for that.
Regardless of when you earned money if you have no NEED for funds, you do not qualify.
And bank account info is asked and required. Bank books are routinely scrutinized as part of the intake qualification process.
Yea I forgot, being a criminal illegal is good. Working and saving is bad. The America some dream of, and exactly why Trump will be re-elected.
Quote: BozYea I forgot, being a criminal illegal is good. Working and saving is bad. The America some dream of, and exactly why Trump will be re-elected.
There is nothing wrong with working and saving
Isn't the idea of saving so you are not needy?
Why would your position be that people with means receive welfare?
Isnt the right upset at tax payer dollars going to people who dont deserve it?
The point of welfare is to help those who cant help themselves. You have argued they should get a job
Why would you argue those who have worked hard get welfare they dont need to pay their bills so they can stay home and not work?
Quote: darkozThere is nothing wrong with working and saving
Isn't the idea of saving so you are not needy?
Why would your position be that people with means receive welfare?
Isnt the right upset at tax payer dollars going to people who dont deserve it?
The point of welfare is to help those who cant help themselves. You have argued they should get a job
Why would you argue those who have worked hard get welfare they dont need to pay their bills so they can stay home and not work?
Skipping 1 because it’s nonsense.
#2, shouldn’t we reward those who paid their Unfair share of taxes over the years in a system that punishes success?
#3 absolutely, those who choose not to work hard and make the tough choices in life don’t deserve help.
#4Show me people who “can’t help themselves “. I’m all for helping the mentally and physically challenged. I’m not for helping junkies, people who breed when they can’t afford their kids and those who failed in Hollywood.
#5 again not welfare but a reward for years off hard work. Maybe it’s a lesson for future generations that America offers opportunities for success. And there are winners and losers in life. Surely a guy like you Fing casinos up and down the East Coast would appreciate being rewarded for it. And I don’t believe for a minute you think others are too stupid to do what you did. Or do you think you are smarter and better than them?
Face it, either every homeless person can do what you did, or they can’t. If not, why?
You are the American success story. Explain to me why the average non mentally challenged person can’t do what you do on a daily basis, striking fear into casinos.
Quote: BozSkipping 1 because it’s nonsense.
#2, shouldn’t we reward those who paid their Unfair share of taxes over the years in a system that punishes success?
#3 absolutely, those who choose not to work hard and make the tough choices in life don’t deserve help.
#4Show me people who “can’t help themselves “. I’m all for helping the mentally and physically challenged. I’m not for helping junkies, people who breed when they can’t afford their kids and those who failed in Hollywood.
#5 again not welfare but a reward for years off hard work. Maybe it’s a lesson for future generations that America offers opportunities for success. And there are winners and losers in life. Surely a guy like you Fing casinos up and down the East Coast would appreciate being rewarded for it. And I don’t believe for a minute you think others are too stupid to do what you did. Or do you think you are smarter and better than them?
Face it, either every homeless person can do what you did, or they can’t. If not, why?
You are the American success story. Explain to me why the average non mentally challenged person can’t do what you do on a daily basis, striking fear into casinos.
Quote: BozSkipping 1 because it’s nonsense.
#2, shouldn’t we reward those who paid their Unfair share of taxes over the years in a system that punishes success?
#3 absolutely, those who choose not to work hard and make the tough choices in life don’t deserve help.
#4Show me people who “can’t help themselves “. I’m all for helping the mentally and physically challenged. I’m not for helping junkies, people who breed when they can’t afford their kids and those who failed in Hollywood.
#5 again not welfare but a reward for years off hard work. Maybe it’s a lesson for future generations that America offers opportunities for success. And there are winners and losers in life. Surely a guy like you Fing casinos up and down the East Coast would appreciate being rewarded for it. And I don’t believe for a minute you think others are too stupid to do what you did. Or do you think you are smarter and better than them?
Face it, either every homeless person can do what you did, or they can’t. If not, why?
You are the American success story. Explain to me why the average non mentally challenged person can’t do what you do on a daily basis, striking fear into casinos.
We are talking about snap welfare benefits and qualifications
If you want to suggest there be some rich mans monetary reward system you are welcome to platform on that. To my knowledge one does not exist yet.
Welfare would not be that olatform as you state. Its for the needy. Being rich and unemployed is not needy.
I would suggest someone rich invest into a business so they can still stay at home and still have income (if they are rich enough to do that)
Can every homeless person or even American do what I do?
Probably not. I dont like to say this but the average person is not very intelligent. Thats from all walks of life.
Evidence? Walk into any casino and count how many people are TRYING TO WIN. And their chosen method is wiping the plastic screen of the slot with their fingers as they spin or saying a hail mary.
AND THEN INSISTING THESE METHODS WORK
and you will quickly come to the conclusion that no, not everyone can do what I do.
There is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of things I cant do, as well.
Quote: RSHow low does your net worth and/or income have to be to get on SNAP or w/e the hell they call it these days? Also, what is/are the way(s) to legally hide income and net worth, if at all possible? Not just SNAP, but what about food stamps, welfare, mothers with children (I'm a tranny and my pet cactus identifies as a child, check mate), and any other government freebies that I don't know about. Oh, and can I get on that gravy train that is section-8 housing even if I own my place?
https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefits
$2500 without an elderly person in the household or $3500 with an elderly person is the max for your net worth to be eligible for snap/welfare.
Illegal immigrants are not eligible (its at the official link)
Even certain legal immigrants are not although it didnt specify what the requirements were.
If you own your own place why would you need section 8 smh?
The mantra of righties seems to be everyone on welfare is cheating but then they crow about how can they jump on the bandwagon by welfare cheating (like collecting section 8 while owning your own place would be)
There are also two kinds of cash CTRs - one is the absolute kind that must be filed if the $10K threshold is breached, but the other may be filed even if not breached for "suspicious activity."
He can't really know for sure that this was done, that these CTRs were filed, not like the casino cashier or bank teller tells him it was done, or hands him anything to sign, your friend just must know because of his activity.
When I used to play heavily, I am sure that a lot of these were filed on me, but only at the casinos. I was never dumb enough to deposit over $10K cash at once into the bank, nor would I make enough just under $10K deposits at the bank over a short time period to arouse suspicion. Also, I was always careful to accept large sums of cash at the casinos for winnings only when I needed it to say pay off a marker or markers at another casino, that way the government would see over $10K being withdrawn, sure, but also over $10K being deposited very soon afterwards, all at casinos. The rest of the times when I was leaving town way ahead, I would have the winnings wired or accept a casino check.
Anyway, if your friend gets enough of these CTRs filed on him and they point to more being withdrawn than deposited at the casinos, or just plain too much being deposited at his banks, and this net positive cash flow activity conflicts with what he's claiming on his tax returns (if he's even filing - maybe he has no claimed income), he could get audited if he has filed, or even hauled in to explain why he hasn't filed. And if he's audited and has to file amended tax returns, or suddenly has to file new tax returns where before he was under the threshold and wasn't filing at all, these new or amended returns in turn could jeopardize his government relief you mention, or cause him issues for past benefits paid out against these new or amended tax returns.
Playing with a bunch of cash at the casino doesn't necessarily mean that a person is wealthy, although most of the time it does tend to mean that. The guy could be playing with borrowed money, for example. But all of those CTRs could, as noted above, lead to questions that he might not want to have to answer.
Quote: darkozQuote: RSHow low does your net worth and/or income have to be to get on SNAP or w/e the hell they call it these days? Also, what is/are the way(s) to legally hide income and net worth, if at all possible? Not just SNAP, but what about food stamps, welfare, mothers with children (I'm a tranny and my pet cactus identifies as a child, check mate), and any other government freebies that I don't know about. Oh, and can I get on that gravy train that is section-8 housing even if I own my place?
https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/a-quick-guide-to-snap-eligibility-and-benefits
$2500 without an elderly person in the household or $3500 with an elderly person is the max for your net worth to be eligible for snap/welfare.
Illegal immigrants are not eligible (its at the official link)
Even certain legal immigrants are not although it didnt specify what the requirements were.
If you own your own place why would you need section 8 smh?
The mantra of righties seems to be everyone on welfare is cheating but then they crow about how can they jump on the bandwagon by welfare cheating (like collecting section 8 while owning your own place would be)
The governments definition of assets is different than most peoples. Most people consider a house to be an asset. Not the government. Most people would look at someone with a $200,000 IRA and consider that an asset. Not the government. It varies from state to state. In NY, it seemed like the default decision for homeless vets was to deny them and make them navigate the complex appeals procedure. In Nevada, it is the opposite. Rather than toss back applications and say denied, they walk people through the process and correct minor errors instead of rejecting the application.
If there is one thing volunteering has taught me, it is the importance of filling out paperwork correctly and how vital it is to have someone navigate you through the process. It's bad enough to mess up your own paperwork but to find out a homeless vet is still out there on the street because you messed up his application is nauseating.
Once I pied for my stuff I headed for my car. On the way to my car I noticed the same family loading up their stuff in a Cadillac Escalade. I have no clue what year it was, but it looked fairly new to me. The guy looked big, healthy and very fit to me(Romes would have been all excited (-;).
I have no idea why this type of shopping with SNAP is allowed. There doesn't seem to be any motivation for them to get off the program when you are eating like that.
Don't get me started on them allowing people to use it at the 7-11.
Quote: AxelWolfI went to Walmart today to get some steak and other stuff to grill. When I got to the meat section there was a black couple in their late 20's and their 3 young toddlers (one called out daddy so I must assume it was their dad) blocking the T-bone's while they were loading the T-bones up in their already packed cart, I noticed a big bad of frozen Jumbo shrimp. That's a good thing since It made me remember I needed some as well. After they moved on, I gabbed a few T-bones for myself. A while later when I arrived at the self checkout the same family was also at self check-out-stand to my right waiting on an attendant to fix a problem. I heard the attendant asking if they were trying to using their snap benefits, they replied, yes. They also had a big bag pf charcoal and other BBQ stuff and a bunch of chips.
Once I pied for my stuff I headed for my car. On the way to my car I noticed the same family loading up their stuff in a Cadillac Escalade. I have no clue what year it was, but it looked fairly new to me. The guy looked big, healthy and very fit to me(Romes would have been all excited (-;).
I have no idea why this type of shopping with SNAP is allowed. There doesn't seem to be any motivation for them to get off the program when you are eating like that.
Don't get me started on them allowing people to use it at the 7-11.
And yet you really are just making a judgment call about people you know nothing about.
The car could have been borrowed from a family member. Or rented. Or an Uber.
The husband could be working (you are eligible for snap if you work but your paycheck still leaves you and your dependents under the poverty level.
Your determination the guy is fit is based in an observation of him shopping? The guy could have any number of hidden ailments. Hell, the guy could have cancer and yoj wouldn't know that.
Very upsetting people judge others based on SNAP judgements (pun intended)
Quote: darkoz
Very upsetting people judge others based on SNAP judgements (pun intended)
Some of my most life changing decisions have been the result of SNAP judgements. You might not have gotten robbed if you were better at SNAP judgements.
Quote: MaxPenSome of my most life changing decisions have been the result of SNAP judgements. You might not have gotten robbed if you were better at SNAP judgements.
Ridiculous claim
You might not have been born if your parents were better at Snap judgments.
Just as meaningless
Quote: darkozRidiculous claim
You might not have been born if your parents were better at Snap judgments.
Just as meaningless
Oh snap! Shots fired.
And I was just asking some questions to the experts on this stuff. I don’t really know much about this free handouts biz, but figure since I’m paying way more into it than I’m getting out of it, I may as well try to get something if I can.
Quote: RSOh snap! Shots fired.
And I was just asking some questions to the experts on this stuff. I don’t really know much about this free handouts biz, but figure since I’m paying way more into it than I’m getting out of it, I may as well try to get something if I can.
You pay for prisons too.
Intend to get some use out of those?
Quote: darkozYou pay for prisons too.
Intend to get some use out of those?
Of course, keeping criminals away from me.
Quote: MaxPenI thought food benefits were pretty minimal. Something like a $100 a month. How much can people actually get?
Most of the people I work with, mostly near homeless vets, get between $115 and $195. That's for single males. Families and females are handled by other volunteers. I've taken the food stamp challenge a few times. It's challenging but one can eat okay . Problem I see is if you are homeless, getting free frozen food doesn't help much. Food stamps aren't good for ready to eat foods. You can buy ham and you can buy bread with food stamps but you can't buy a ham sandwich. At 7-11, one can use SNAP to buy a whole frozen pizza but not to buy two hot slices.
Quote: RSOf course, keeping criminals away from me.
Irony.
Feel like you should partake of the welfare system because you pay into it so much you might find yourself partaking of the prison system you pay for as well
Quote: waasnodayAccording to the training sessions I have been too, it is not shared with the IRS.
Please be aware that trying to avoid a CTR is a crime and if casino staff suspect this a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) will be filed and those get a lot more attention than a CTR. SARs are something you do not want to have filed on you. FinCEN and the AML/BSA regulations/laws are taken quite seriously by most casinos.
Quote: ChumpChangeCTR's are shared with the IRS, and a SS# could be flagged. A W-2G or Form 1099 would be a sure-fire problem, a CTR is a mystery.
Is CTR shared with the IRS?
The game he plays is a type of baccarat machine with a low variance side bet that's countable, and the way he plays has no chance to trigger a W-2G.
He never received a W-2G or 1099 because he doesn't play slot.
He never cashed out more than 10k at the cashier because he doesn't play table games.
The situation is:
He coined-in 250k on this baccarat machine in a 24 hours period, ended with a net loss.
4 days later, he came back to the casino and found out his player's card is locked(red flagged). He went to the cashier, the cashier manager said his transaction was more than 10k, and asked him to provide SSN and fill out the W-9 form, so he did.
After he provided SSN and filled out the W-9, his player's card was unlocked, then he could play as usual.
Is that a CTR, or probably a SAR?
Does it have any impact on his taxes?
Quote: darkozIrony.
Feel like you should partake of the welfare system because you pay into it so much you might find yourself partaking of the prison system you pay for as well
Quote: RS
Lol
Didnt know you were part of the #MeMeToo movement
Quote: ReyGarciaIs CTR shared with the IRS?
CTRs are sent to the Department of Treasury which collects taxes through the IRS, more specifically, CTRs are sent to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) which is a bureau of the Department of the Treasury.
All are interconnected all are part of the same Dept. of Treasury. When you pay your taxes you make your check out to the Dept. Of Treasury, not to the IRS, don't you?
As far as all your other questions, maybe someone here will come along and wing it answering them, but I'd charge to answer all those questions for any client. You're talking about a very serious matter that if not handled properly may land your buddy there in the hoosegow, especially ongoing as far as how he continues to handle his gambling. Free advice is worth what you pay for it.
Betting $250K on a machine in one day? What was he betting? 500 hands an hour? Are machines that fast? I don't know. What bet level would that be? $25 a hand for 20 hours? If using a progression and hitting a tie on a $1,001+ bet, that would set off the alarm and a CTR will be filed like the manager said.
If you've got bureaucracies to deal with about any (big) wins, you probably have 10 days or until the 10th of the following month to report it. If trying to offload money to keep benefits, a lawyer would have to get involved to set up a trust and get that money in there before the end of the month. That could cost $1200 +/- itself.
If the person lost for the day despite being way up there, you have no record of it except a whisper from the casino that they sent in a CTR. Learn how to record gambling sessions, in case you have to account for winning more than the standard tax deduction.
Quote: ChumpChangeA W-9 Form means they want the person's SS#. it's better to bring your SS card & ID with you instead of filling out a W-9
What he did was simply fill out the SSN without showing the card.
Do you mean if you bring the physical SS card, then filling W-9 form is not required? How about show a picture of SS card?
Quote: ChumpChangeIf your friend playing a casino Baccarat machine won a tie bet on a $1,000 wager, that could be a 10 for 1 payout of $10,000, a penny short of reporting requirements. If the person lost for the day despite being way up there, you have no record of it except a whisper from the casino that they sent in a CTR.
For machine play, I thought the $10,000 transaction threshold means cash-in or cash-out more than $10,000 in 24 hours.
Does winning or losing more than $10,000 at any time during 24 hours count?
Quote: ChumpChangeBetting $250K on a machine in one day? What was he betting?
He plays 4 machines together for 18 hours.
Quote: ReyGarciaWhat he did was simply fill out the SSN without showing the card.
Do you mean if you bring the physical SS card, then filling W-9 form is not required? How about show a picture of SS card?
For machine play, I thought the $10,000 transaction threshold means cash-in or cash-out more than $10,000 in 24 hours.
Does winning or losing more than $10,000 at any time during 24 hours count?
He plays 4 machines together for 18 hours.
An Octopus?
Heres what it sounds like to me.
The guy is playing high limit slots. $20, $50 higher? Prefty easy ro reach $250k in action at $100 per spin.
Triggering lots of jackpots but still losing. He loses $8k and then wins a jackpot for $7k for example.
He isnt playing 4 machines simultaneously as much as hes enjoining another machine while the others are locked up in jackpot mode waiting for the slot attendants.
Is this what hes doing?
Also, is he being rated with a players card and keeping the card in all four machines? If it really is simultaneously played machines he probably does not have 4 cards of his own in the machine. Thats why the casino maybe tracking him as a winner when hes actually losing
Quote: ReyGarciaWhat he did was simply fill out the SSN without showing the card.
Do you mean if you bring the physical SS card, then filling W-9 form is not required? How about show a picture of SS card?
I'm too old school to know how things are done now. In the mid '90's, grannies used to bring their SS card & Driver's License/State ID with them to the casino to show to the slot attendant when they won a slot jackpot of $1200 or more. In the age of cell phone photography, I'm not sure whether a picture of a SS card is enough for a slot attendant. Would you show a cop a picture of your car insurance card instead of the real thing? I'd have to scroll on my phone for miles to find it.
Did your friend keep feeding the machine new cash? Did he walk in there with over $10,000 cash to feed the machines? Also, what does a cash-out look like? They've got those TITO things now. In the old days, you'd have to bring silver dollar tokens to the cashier's cage, and every time you go to the cage potentially adds towards a $10,000 threshold.
It's possible to walk in there with $400 and bet $20 a hand forever if you start off with a lucky streak.
Quote: ChumpChangeI'm too old school to know how things are done now. In the mid '90's, grannies used to bring their SS card & Driver's License/State ID with them to the casino to show to the slot attendant when they won a slot jackpot of $1200 or more. In the age of cell phone photography, I'm not sure whether a picture of a SS card is enough for a slot attendant. Would you show a cop a picture of your car insurance card instead of the real thing? I'd have to scroll on my phone for miles to find it.
Did your friend keep feeding the machine new cash? Did he walk in there with over $10,000 cash to feed the machines? Also, what does a cash-out look like? They've got those TITO things now. In the old days, you'd have to bring silver dollar tokens to the cashier's cage, and every time you go to the cage potentially adds towards a $10,000 threshold.
It's possible to walk in there with $400 and bet $20 a hand forever if you start off with a lucky streak.
Having won jackpots in a number of different east coast states you are simply asked for your ssn. I didnt have ro show the actual card or a facsimile.
I could easily have lied and gave a fake number.
Quote: AxelWolfI have no idea why this type of shopping with SNAP is allowed. There doesn't seem to be any motivation for them to get off the program when you are eating like that.
Don't get me started on them allowing people to use it at the 7-11.
Could be foster parents or adoptive parents, in which case they may get certain state benefits regardless of income or assets. But probably not. Could have been buying stuff for the party at the group home for addicts or mentally ill that they work at. (But still a low probability of that). And just because they spent a lot doesn't mean they get a lot of benefits. Could have used $30 in government handouts and paid their own cash for the rest.
The motivation to get off is completely immaterial and a logical fallacy. The issue should never be with the people who accept these things when it's given to them. If the government (or anyone else) wants to give me cash or similar benefits, I am not going to turn it down. I expect the same from everyone else. The issue is, why is it being given to them? Might be a legitimate reason, might not be. And might be far more than necessary to keep them from going hungry
I say just give a jar of peanut butter, loaf of bread, and gallon of milk (or some equivalent) every week to anyone who is willing to wait in line for it. Then just cut out all food stamps entirely. It would save a lot of money. But Wal-Mart and 7-11 will never let that happen.
Quote: RSOf course, keeping criminals away from me.Quote: darkozYou pay for prisons too.
Intend to get some use out of those?
By that logic, keeping you from tripping over the homeless is also benefit. Though I'm sure it's still something you deal with despite all the government money spent on. But most people who have been locked up in prison are now out and all that money spent isn't doing anything to keep them away from you
This is True. I have only had to show my ss card for 3 times in many years.Quote: darkozHaving won jackpots in a number of different east coast states you are simply asked for your ssn. I didnt have ro show the actual card or a facsimile.
I could easily have lied and gave a fake number.
However, and this is per a NV gaming agent, the casino can withhold taxes if you don't have it.
There have been people denied payments of jackpots in California who didnt have a SS card and could not be found in their data base.
Most places have a separate form you can fill out claiming what your SS number is.
Some or all of that may not be what the law states, but they have your money and there is not much you can do about it at the time. Ya, I know, I know, everyone says just Call Bob N.
Quote: AxelWolfThis is True. I have only had to show my ss card for 3 times in many years.
However, and this is per a NV gaming agent, the casino can withhold taxes if you don't have it.
There have been people denied payments of jackpots in California who didnt have a SS card and could not be found in their data base.
Most places have a separate form you can fill out claiming what your SS number is.
Some or all of that may not be what the law states, but they have your money and there is not much you can do about it at the time. Ya, I know, I know, everyone says just Call Bob N.
I am sure there is no law about providing a social security card. But even if they insist on it, they can only withhold taxes, not the entire jackpot, right? Denying an entire jackpot is essentially saying the casino gets a free-roll on most foreigners and anyone else without a social security number -- and it's perfectly legal to never apply for a SSN. Withholding taxes just means you get back the correct amount when you file, correct?
On something like this (and a lot of other things people ask about here), I would suggest trying an assemblyman -- they are literally the people who make the law; or the attorney general -- literally the highest level of law enforcement. Any guidance they offer could go a long way without having to pay a retainer.
Quote: darkozAnd yet you really are just making a judgment call about people you know nothing about.
The car could have been borrowed from a family member. Or rented. Or an Uber.
The husband could be working (you are eligible for snap if you work but your paycheck still leaves you and your dependents under the poverty level.
Your determination the guy is fit is based in an observation of him shopping? The guy could have any number of hidden ailments. Hell, the guy could have cancer and yoj wouldn't know that.
Very upsetting people judge others based on SNAP judgements (pun intended)
Quote: TomGCould be foster parents or adoptive parents, in which case they may get certain state benefits regardless of income or assets. But probably not. Could have been buying stuff for the party at the group home for addicts or mentally ill that they work at. (But still a low probability of that). And just because they spent a lot doesn't mean they get a lot of benefits. Could have used $30 in government handouts and paid their own cash for the rest.
The motivation to get off is completely immaterial and a logical fallacy. The issue should never be with the people who accept these things when it's given to them. If the government (or anyone else) wants to give me cash or similar benefits, I am not going to turn it down. I expect the same from everyone else. The issue is, why is it being given to them? Might be a legitimate reason, might not be. And might be far more than necessary to keep them from going hungry
I say just give a jar of peanut butter, loaf of bread, and gallon of milk (or some equivalent) every week to anyone who is willing to wait in line for it. Then just cut out all food stamps entirely. It would save a lot of money. But Wal-Mart and 7-11 will never let that happen.
Quote: TomGBut probably not.
You guys are right, I probably made a SNAP judgment about the situation.
They could have just shot and killed some little old lady and stole her car. They could have just kidnapped those kids and thought them to say daddy, then forged some fake documents in order to apply for food stamps.
They may have been speculating there was going to be a shortage that day on T-bones and were using it as currency to trade for crack.
I'm not against some government safety nets for people that end up in a tough spot for a short period of time. But oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not against some government safety nets for people that end up in a tough spot for a short period of time. But oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.
Absolutely true. And the problem with this is virtually entirely with the "system" and almost nothing with the people who take part in it. Always assume that people won't fully understand the spirit of the law and will instead follow it as implemented. Reagan warned us about "wefare queens" 40 years ago using examples from 50 years ago. Has the solution for all these years really been to just to insist everyone follows the honor system and only use these benefits if they really need them?
For things like this I will always follow the money. The biggest beneficiary in this is definitely Wal-Mart (followed by Smith's/Kroger, and now 7-11). With combined valuations getting close to the trillions, the most obvious answer is that they are the ones keeping this racket going.
Quote: ChumpChangeI have a TITO slip worth a penny. I looked on the back and it's good for up to a year. It's possible to run up a huge balance on a TITO over several months and cash in 5 or 6 figures.
Kinda sorta. It also depends on what limits the casino has on their machines. Many places have a $3k limit, meaning if your balance goes above that, it’ll spit out a ticket. Many also have limits as far as how big of a ticket you can insert. Some places it’s $3k, others higher others lower.
Quote: AxelWolfQuote: TomGBut probably not.
You guys are right, I probably made a SNAP judgment about the situation.
They could have just shot and killed some little old lady and stole her car. They could have just kidnapped those kids and thought them to say daddy, then forged some fake documents in order to apply for food stamps.
They may have been speculating there was going to be a shortage that day on T-bones and were using it as currency to trade for crack.
I'm not against some government safety nets for people that end up in a tough spot for a short period of time. But oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.
Your beef should be with the qualifications process
No one just shows up and qualifies automatically.
Its possible these people honestly reported their income and quaified.
What I am saying is you dont know. You are taking on the judgements of the people whose job this is with nothing more than sight seen.
Its even possible they own a Cadillac. Here is a surprise. Welfare is interested mostly in cash income assets and holding
For example, perhaps the guy had a good paying job and brought himself a caddie and now is unable to find employment. Welfare does not insist he sell previously purchased items. The car is not bringing in income (assuming hes not doing uber). He wont be forced to sell his car or his furniture that he previously purchased when life was good)
Its not for you to say what this guys prior life was or is. Thats For the welfare qualifications dept which will look at the entire picture.
Its human nature I understand. Its like when I lose $2000 and then win a jackpot for $1900 and people pass by crowing about how I must be lucky. Humans see the immediate picture and dont take in the unseen whole.
Im not coming down on you. Just saying you should recognize that your judgment is based on a fractional snapshot of this family's life
