AN AP NIGHTMARE
I'll start a list here and ask people to please amend it and comment.
1. Dishonesty by team member, e.g., stealing cash from rest of team
2. Theft of cash (casino parking area, at home, etc.)
3. Police stop and confiscate cash
4. Backrooming (???)
5. Another team abusing and spoiling an opportunity you've been exploiting
6. Statistically-freakish run of bad luck.
Quote: RogerKint7. Threads like these
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A lot of AP's have a lot of fear
Grow some brass... (knuckles)
Quote: gordonm888What are the most universal AP Nightmares?
I'll start a list here and ask people to please amend it and comment.
1. Dishonesty by team member, e.g., stealing cash from rest of team
2. Theft of cash (casino parking area, at home, etc.)
3. Police stop and confiscate cash
4. Backrooming (???)
5. Another team abusing and spoiling an opportunity you've been exploiting
6. Statistically-freakish run of bad luck.
How about AP friendly dealers , (hole card exposers, generous cut card placement) being fired.
Said the guy who allegedly got his money and stuff burglarized.Quote: darkoz
A lot of AP's have a lot of fear
Grow some brass... (knuckles)
Quote: darkozIf AP's know their game they would know this thread would do nothing to stop them from hitting the casinos
A lot of AP's have a lot of fear
Grow some brass... (knuckles)
Most AP's don't talk publicly about aspects of their plays. They also don't tell a litany of people where they keep their money. Actions have consequences. Most people create their own problems. Also, you don't need multiple court cases and the hassles that come with it to earn your AP card. The only thing you need is to get the money and KEEP IT.
Quote: AxelWolfSaid the guy who allegedly got his money and stuff burglarized.
Yeah you are right.
I should just quit and publish that AP book now it seems
(Sound of multiple AP testicles shriveling up lol)
Quote: gordonm888What are the most universal AP Nightmares?
I'll start a list here and ask people to please amend it and comment.
1. Dishonesty by team member, e.g., stealing cash from rest of team
2. Theft of cash (casino parking area, at home, etc.)
3. Police stop and confiscate cash
4. Backrooming (???)
5. Another team abusing and spoiling an opportunity you've been exploiting
6. Statistically-freakish run of bad luck.
In the past, one of my biggest fears was what my teammates did when we weren't playing as a team.
You have to admit, you're not going to achieve popularity among your peers in a similar plan.
Quote: rxwineWho was that magician who went on TV to expose how the biggest tricks work?
You have to admit, you're not going to achieve popularity among your peers in a similar plan.
Dumbo the clown, right?
Quote: rxwineWho was that magician who went on TV to expose how the biggest tricks work?
You have to admit, you're not going to achieve popularity among your peers in a similar plan.
True
And yet magicians around the world are now out of business as a result
Not really lol
Anyway the book is still in my laptop. I have yet to approach a publisher. No fears yet
And on past form, should I wager that you don't have it backed up remotely?Quote: darkozTrue
And yet magicians around the world are now out of business as a result
Not really lol
Anyway the book is still in my laptop. I have yet to approach a publisher. No fears yet
Last week, someone tried to sell a few 1940s Batman comics in Oklahoma. Something didn't seem right and the shop owner went on line to see if anyone was missing the books. The guy got itchy and took off but it seemed pretty certain these were the same books. Having an idea where the thief was, the original owner sent alerts to all the police jurisdictions west of Oklahoma alerting them to the extent of the theft. A few days later, a friend with a shop in Tempe got a call from a guy wanting to sell some valuable Batman books. He alerted the local PD and when the guy showed up ,he was met by Detectives and arrested.. Sadly, he was able to post a bond and seems to have disappeared with all the remaining books. The good news is they have a positive id on him and he'll screw up again. The bad news is the books are still gone and might be destroyed now the thief knows selling them will be difficult.
Quote: OnceDearAnd on past form, should I wager that you don't have it backed up remotely?
Its on 2 laptops 3 hard drives a thumb drive and i emailed it to myself
Although all those may not be the latest version they are close enough
Quote: billryanThree weeks ago, someone forwarded a story to me about a guy in Florida who allegedly stole over a million dollars worth of rare comic books. The email suggested the guy might be headed to Vegas and asked me( and everyone else who got one) to keep an eye out for them.
Last week, someone tried to sell a few 1940s Batman comics in Oklahoma. Something didn't seem right and the shop owner went on line to see if anyone was missing the books. The guy got itchy and took off but it seemed pretty certain these were the same books. Having an idea where the thief was, the original owner sent alerts to all the police jurisdictions west of Oklahoma alerting them to the extent of the theft. A few days later, a friend with a shop in Tempe got a call from a guy wanting to sell some valuable Batman books. He alerted the local PD and when the guy showed up ,he was met by Detectives and arrested.. Sadly, he was able to post a bond and seems to have disappeared with all the remaining books. The good news is they have a positive id on him and he'll screw up again. The bad news is the books are still gone and might be destroyed now the thief knows selling them will be difficult.
Thats not an AP story
Quote: darkozTrue
And yet magicians around the world are now out of business as a result
Not really lol
Anyway the book is still in my laptop. I have yet to approach a publisher. No fears yet
The book is in my laptop also, tell your daughter and her alleged ex fiance thanks.
Quote: rainmanThe book is in my laptop also, tell your daughter and her alleged ex fiance thanks.
Please leave a review on amazon for me
Thx
Quote: gordonm8881. Dishonesty by team member, e.g., stealing cash from rest of team
This is the number one reason for
people giving up team play. A
member wins and says he didn't
and keeps the money for himself.
It's often the most 'trustworthy'
team member.
The temptation to do this is huge.
Nobody is standing over your
shoulder watching, and you work
harder than everybody else (or so
you think) so you deserve extra
reward.
Anybody who says they trust all
their team members explicitly,
those are usually the teams where
the stealing is going on.
Quote: billryanThree weeks ago, someone forwarded a story to me about a guy in Florida who allegedly stole over a million dollars worth of rare comic books. The email suggested the guy might be headed to Vegas and asked me( and everyone else who got one) to keep an eye out for them.
Last week, someone tried to sell a few 1940s Batman comics in Oklahoma. Something didn't seem right and the shop owner went on line to see if anyone was missing the books. The guy got itchy and took off but it seemed pretty certain these were the same books. Having an idea where the thief was, the original owner sent alerts to all the police jurisdictions west of Oklahoma alerting them to the extent of the theft. A few days later, a friend with a shop in Tempe got a call from a guy wanting to sell some valuable Batman books. He alerted the local PD and when the guy showed up ,he was met by Detectives and arrested.. Sadly, he was able to post a bond and seems to have disappeared with all the remaining books. The good news is they have a positive id on him and he'll screw up again. The bad news is the books are still gone and might be destroyed now the thief knows selling them will be difficult.
Wait,,,,what? DarkOz owns a comic store?
Quote: rxwineWho was that magician who went on TV to expose how the biggest tricks work?
You have to admit, you're not going to achieve popularity among your peers in a similar plan.
Val Valentino from Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed.
I miss that show.
Quote: darkozPlease leave a review on amazon for me
I'll take the CliffsNotes.
Quote: rdw4potusOne thing seems to happen more and more - underfunded machine APloppys run out of cash before finishing their plays, I sit down, I hit their thing, they stand there expecting me to refund their investment like they helped move the meter & now part of the proceeds are theirs.
Really? That takes a lot of nerve.
Ride a bus: get paid.Quote: MrVI'll take the CliffsNotes.
Quote: beachbumbabsReally? That takes a lot of nerve.
I've done it once, but the guy wasn't standing too close to me and nor did he ask me for anything. I was casing a Horticulture vs. Animated Corpses machine pretty hard once and saw a guy tap out. He's not an AP, per se (loses all his money betting races) but he was familiar with this one play and only took good plays. Anyway, I saw him tap out (and it was clear he had nothing else) and during this time the machine never left a playable state and was EXTREMELY playable by the time he tapped out. I got the desired result within a spin or two, so I tossed him a $20.
I think he was just watching me to see what the result would be, though. He didn't ask me for anything. I just felt bad for him. I think it's an SSI check that it might be much quicker for him just to sign directly over to the track, or something along those lines.
Quote: gordonm888What are the most universal AP Nightmares?
I'll start a list here and ask people to please amend it and comment.
1. Dishonesty by team member, e.g., stealing cash from rest of team
2. Theft of cash (casino parking area, at home, etc.)
3. Police stop and confiscate cash
4. Backrooming (???)
5. Another team abusing and spoiling an opportunity you've been exploiting
6. Statistically-freakish run of bad luck.
Anybody with a small business faces most of these.
1. Employee theft
2. Armed robbery at store, robbery while taking cash receipts to bank or home
5. Rivals copy your business, steal your customers
6. Sink hole opens under your store and you are under insured
3. & 4. Illegal drugs are a bad thing
Entrepreneurs take a risk and maybe make money.
I can't wait to read all 3 chapters. Ride the bus, Mail, Messed up players tracking system.Quote: darkozYeah you are right.
I should just quit and publish that AP book now it seems
(Sound of multiple AP testicles shriveling up lol)
Let me know when you have... APing table games, video poker, slot and VP progressives, keno plays, sports, horses, slot promotions VP promotions, loss rebates, drawings, bingo, online casinos, machine malfunctions, prop bets, poker, vulturing, offer matching.
Oh, lets not forget chapter 4: Mask
Tittle: The most feared and secretive AP on the EC.
Quote: AxelWolfI can't wait to read all 3 chapters. Ride the bus, Mail, Messed up players tracking system.
Let me know when you have... APing table games, video poker, slot and VP progressives, keno plays, sports, horses, slot promotions VP promotions, loss rebates, drawings, bingo, online casinos, machine malfunctions, prop bets, poker, vulturing, offer matching.
Oh, lets not forget chapter 4: Mask
Tittle: The most feared and secretive AP on the EC.
Axel
Respectfully
You claim I am messing up master plays
That this whole thread is super dangerous
Then ridicule that I know anything
It is obvious to most that I specialize in one area
When you find a neurologist who writes books on orthopedics let me know. There is nothing wrong with specialization
But dont pretend I am not knowledgeable while ragging about how entire plays are in danger from me. You are only displaying how good you really know I am
I don't know that I said you were messing up anything, I only complained that you were talking about one aspect. There is/was absolutely no reason to mention that part in your story. Why do you want to alert casinos and dark-siders about this? Sure casinos know its happening, however, they may not know the scale of it. And now you are talking big numbers. Darksiders might use posts like this to scare the hell out of casinos. There may be places and people who don't know, so why spread the word? The more times people mention certain stuff online, the more likely it is that they will find ways to prevent it. Your discussion here prompted other people to talk about it on other forums. You already helped mess up some machines on a play here in vegas since you didnt think it was a play or whatever.Quote: darkozAxel
Respectfully
You claim I am messing up master plays
That this whole thread is super dangerous
Then ridicule that I know anything
It is obvious to most that I specialize in one area
When you find a neurologist who writes books on orthopedics let me know. There is nothing wrong with specialization
But dont pretend I am not knowledgeable while ragging about how entire plays are in danger from me. You are only displaying how good you really know I am
Can you tell me how talking about this stuff helps us or you? Its just selfish gloating IMO.
I know I probably won't ever get though to some people, however, there will be others that think about sharing TMI on forums. If i can help save one play or make something last longer, I will keep on fighting the good fight. I will continue trying to help wise up chumps, not to wise up chumps.
P.S. Now we have an anti AP guy claiming hes going to try it. Inspired by you, who inspired somome else to talk about it. Guess what happens when people have no clue what they are doing, and then they do stuff.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know that I said you were messing up anything, I only complained that you were talking about one aspect. There is/was absolutely no reason to mention that part in your story. Why do you want to alert casinos and dark-siders about this? Sure casinos know its happening, however, they may not know the scale of it. And now you are talking big numbers. Darksiders might use posts like this to scare the hell out of casinos. There may be places and people who don't know, so why spread the word? The more times people mention certain stuff online, the more likely it is that they will find ways to prevent it. Your discussion here prompted other people to talk about it on other forums. You already helped mess up some machines on a play here in vegas since you didnt think it was a play or whatever.
Can you tell me how talking about this stuff helps us or you? Its just selfish gloating IMO.
I know I probably won't ever get though to some people, however, there will be others that think about sharing TMI on forums. If i can help save one play or make something last longer, I will keep on fighting the good fight.
The only reason to bring this stuff to light is if you don’t see the true value of what’s out there. I mean, there may be other reasons (like if you’re mentally retarded, but DarkOz obv doesn’t fit that type). I’ve met plenty of APs that think they found the golden goose because they have a 2% edge on some low limit game and think that’s the top tier stuff.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know that I said you were messing up anything, I only complained that you were talking about one aspect. There is/was absolutely no reason to mention that part in your story. Why do you want to alert casinos and dark-siders about this? Sure casinos know its happening, however, they may not know the scale of it. And now you are talking big numbers. Darksiders might use posts like this to scare the hell out of casinos. There may be places and people who don't know, so why spread the word? The more times people mention certain stuff online, the more likely it is that they will find ways to prevent it. Your discussion here prompted other people to talk about it on other forums. You already helped mess up some machines on a play here in vegas since you didnt think it was a play or whatever.
Can you tell me how talking about this stuff helps us or you? Its just selfish gloating IMO.
I know I probably won't ever get though to some people, however, there will be others that think about sharing TMI on forums. If i can help save one play or make something last longer, I will keep on fighting the good fight. I will continue trying to help wise up chumps, not to wise up chumps.
P.S. Now we have an anti AP guy claiming hes going to try it. Inspired by you, who inspired somome else to talk about it. Guess what happens when people have no clue what they are doing, and then they do stuff.
Good points
Can you give me a link to the discussions on other forums. Curious whats being said
As for the anti-ap guy he will probably discover its like the average joe who has heard about blackjack card counting and thinks he can master it. In other words he is probably gonna lose his shirt
Thats his problem. He apparently isnt really anti-ap if hes going to try it. More like anti-winning when he doesnt know how to do it himself
What I do is more complicated than just collecting other people's cards.
I mostly agree with what AxelWolf has said in his above post. When it comes to size and scope, I disagree with DarkOz posting what he posted and my only opposition to some people (but not necessarily Axelwolf) is whether or not DarkOz' right to discuss this sort of thing should be suppressed on this Forum. As it is strictly gambling-related and violates no other Forum Rules, my opinion was DarkOz should be allowed to discuss it for whatever reason he wants to.
Quote: RSJust because something falls in line with the rules doesn’t mean it should be acceptable.
Fantastic logic
I think a casino security guard said something like that to me
"Just because its within the law doesn't mean it should be acceptable"
Quote: cmlotitoThis has probably been asked and answered before but I'll ask anyways. Darkoz, did this start out as a hobby for you and you just learned as you went or did someone show you the ropes?
I was homeless sleeping on the subways of nyc
Went into a casino with 3 pennys (no bankroll)
6 years later I am where I am now. Perseverance and being in the right place and ingenuity
No one showed me
Every single thing I own today is paid for from money won at casinos.
Quote: darkozI was homeless sleeping on the subways of nyc
Went into a casino with 3 pennys (no bankroll)
6 years later I am where I am now. Perseverance and being in the right place and ingenuity
No one showed me
Every single thing I own today is paid for from money won at casinos.
Everything I own I earned through hard work.
See, we're not so different, you and I.
The difference: I gamble and watch sports for fun; AP's do it seriously.
I know. I knowQuote: AxelWolfGuess what happens when people have no clue what they are doing, and then they do stuff.
They grow up to be President of the UsofA!
Quote: darkozFantastic logic
I think a casino security guard said something like that to me
"Just because its within the law doesn't mean it should be acceptable"
And he’s right. Casinos toss out APs all the time.
The more people yap, the quicker it’s gonna come back and bite them in the a**. Although I’m sure you know what you’re doing, do you want some idiot going into a casino and doing dumb s*** that can get the play busted? Some idiots will go up to a kiosk and swipe 20 cards in a row. Those are the kinds of people that read something online and are like “oh that’s easy I can do that” but don’t realize there’s a buncha stuff you gotta do.
It’s sorta like card counting. The easy part is what you can read online, in a book, whatever. That’s like 1% of the game. The other 99% of it is getting away with it and not being a fool when you’re playing. Do you think people who can’t figure this stuff out on their own or don’t have a mentor-type person would be able to do things properly? Or maybe people who can’t figure it out need to be spoon-fed every last detail of what to do?
The oldest trick in the book: If someone wants to learn how to count cards, tell them to go learn basic strategy. Are they smart enough to google it, find the right strategy charts, ask questions when they aren’t sure what to do? Or are they the person that’s like “what’s basic strategy? Show me plz. Idk how to google it. Looks tough, you’re a bad teacher. I’m not learning anything at this rate.” Moral of the story: Don’t spoon-feed information to people because those who need to be spoon-fed aren’t worth it.
And you think he's F***ing it up right?Quote: billryanI know. I know
They grow up to be President of the UsofA!
Quote: AxelWolfGuess what happens when people have no clue what they are doing, and then they do stuff.
They screw it up from everybody. Loose
lips sink ships. That saying came from
the factory war industry in WWII. They
encouraged workers to never talk about
their jobs outside of the factory, you
never know who's listening and who
they would tell. This certainly applies
to AP work, even trivial slot AP'ing.
That's very true. Decades ago I and other bicyclists would put fliers on cars parked in bike lanes, asking them politely to not do so. (It's actually legal for cars to park in some bike lanes in Austin, go figure.) We often ran into drivers returning to their cars who invariably screamed at us that parking in the bike lane wasn't against the law. I was flabbergasted that so many people's moral & decency compass apparently doesn't extend an inch beyond what's legal and what's not. "Not against the law? Well then, it must be a perfectly fine thing to do!" Not.Quote: RSJust because something falls in line with the rules doesn’t mean it should be acceptable.
Quote: MichaelBluejayThat's very true. Decades ago I and other bicyclists would put fliers on cars parked in bike lanes, asking them politely to not do so. (It's actually legal for cars to park in some bike lanes in Austin, go figure.) We often ran into drivers returning to their cars who invariably screamed at us that parking in the bike lane wasn't against the law. I was flabbergasted that so many people's moral & decency compass apparently doesn't extend an inch beyond what's legal and what's not. "Not against the law? Well then, it must be a perfectly fine thing to do!" Not.
Wouldn't it have been wiser to take that up with city hall to get it changed instead of confronting people who were "legally" parking just because you didn't like it?
The way you phrased that is extremely rude. The reason we protested the inconsiderate acts was not "because we didn't like it", we protested it because it's not only inconsiderate, but also f**king dangerous. Forcing cyclists to squeeze between parked cars on one side and car traffic zooming by on the other side makes those cyclists vulnerable to The Door Prize. Here's a very incomplete list of cyclists who have died from that. Danger aside, cars already get the lion's share of road space so it's greedy & selfish for them to not just grab all that, but to grab the small space purported allotted to bicyclists, too. Really, what exactly is the point of having a bike lane if cyclists can't use it? What if I questioned your going after the people who burgled you "just because you didn't like it?" The phrasing you used was insulting.Quote: darkozWouldn't it have been wiser to take that up with city hall to get it changed instead of confronting people who were "legally" parking just because you didn't like it?
Second, about lobbying City Hall, why do you assume I didn't? That's *EXACTLY* what I did. The City's own staff backed me, with a report and presentation saying the city's road design violated national safety standards. But a report by city staff and the video I made and presented at an official council meeting wasn't enough to sway the City council, who upheld the rule allowing cars to park in bike lanes. I honestly don't know whether we swayed any drivers by petitioning them politely, but I sure know the result I got from lobbying City Hall.
You chose to look down your nose at someone making a reasonable effort to improve a clearly bad situation, and you did so in a demeaning way.
That's not to say that I don't understand your actions, because I obviously do. Talking to the drivers? Of course. My mantra is, "If you don't ask, then the answer is always no." Although, you take some risk talking to people you don't know and touching their property, and what have you, but that's totally your lookout if you choose to do that.
With all of that said, I think your post to DarkOz is rude because of the majority of the last paragraph, which reads:
Quote: MichaelBluejayA few days ago I unblocked you because I couldn't remember why I'd blocked you the first time, and thought it might have been an accident. Now I'm sure it wasn't an accident, and it sure didn't take long for the reminder. I won't make the same mistake again. darkoz blocked.
What is the necessity in informing the entire Forum that you are blocking DarkOz? If you're going to block him, just block him, there's really no reason that I can see to make a big production out of it.
Now, if you were going to just say something like, "Don't bother to respond, because I'm not reading it," or something to that effect, that would be understandable. Arguably courteous of you, even. However, you felt it necessary to make it publicly known that you had him blocked for some length of time, couldn't remember why, was reminded in short order and are blocking him again.
It's not very polite, in my opinion, to go into such a lengthy presentation as to the fact that you are blocking him when, short of someone you do not have blocked quoting him, he is unable to respond to same due to being blocked.
