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Quote: rxwineI pointed out a flaw in your conservative ideology and am awaiting you to dispute it. You don't provide or believe in equal opportunity until you actually provide it.
No, you pointed out that not all have equal ability. That has nothing to do with equal opportunity. And you pointed out that you want equal outcome.
Quote: AZDuffman
The same thing happens with muslims. As the percent of muslims in a non-muslim society increases, so does violence. Eventually you get the no-go zones that EU leaders said "do not exist" until they said they really exist.
Are you sure you don't think that the #ConstitutionSucks, albeit for MUCH different reasons than I do? You should just say it. It's very Libera....um....it's very freeing. You don't even have to put the hashtag, if you don't want to.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo, I assume you see the dangers of East LA even if many "individuals" are "good people?"
In either case, I know the difference between an individual and a larger society. I have seen Blacks act totally different when they are alone with a group of whites than when they were among even a few other Blacks. One worked for me, totally proper most of the time. My other manager was out on a meeting with him and said she could not believe how he acted when he met another Black guy. Said he went in the words of Joe Biden, into using "his negro dialect." She was amazed. I was less so because I had seen it happen with other Black guys. Almost as if they spoke some other language at work, but could relax at home.
The same thing happens with muslims.
Are you the same person in all scenarios? I know that I am surely not. The person that I am at work is totally different the the person who is blowing off steam in Vegas.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkAre you the same person in all scenarios? I know that I am surely not. The person that I am at work is totally different the the person who is blowing off steam in Vegas.
I'd have beat you to that point by a few minutes, but then I thought, "Eh, why bother?"
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, you pointed out that not all have equal ability. That has nothing to do with equal opportunity. And you pointed out that you want equal outcome.
I never pointed out anything about ensuring equal outcome. Here is what I said.
Quote:If conservatives want to preach equal opportunity than they have to provide the same starting line. Even if a kid in the worst ghetto makes it as far as one of Trump's kids, the starting line was way back. The kid does not succeed because he was given a fair start, but because he had to work way harder than a Trump kid to get to the same point.
The BS about equal opportunity is a lie from the right until they make sure it happens
Quote: AZDuffmanSo you are saying that you favor a borderless world? Because that is how that statement sounds. Trump is POTUS, not PONA or POTW.
I would prefer border security and paths to citizenship much more similar to the times that Made America Great. Roughly from the time of our Founding Fathers through Reagan.
Quote: AZDuffmanOther countries do not enter into the equal opportunity as they are not part of the USA. I don't get why you are saying that any other country has to do with conservative vs. liberal. Other countries do not matter, their business and societies are there own.
If your ideology ends at the borders or your country, then it is nationalism. That is in direct conflict with your definition of conservative. It's something Marx, Lennin, Stalin, and Castro all believed in. Now it's you and Trump who believe in it.
Quote: dogqckwell Face, if you are not happy here, perhaps you should return to your native land.
Is that supposed to be a joke?
Quote: TomGI would prefer border security and paths to citizenship much more similar to the times that Made America Great. Roughly from the time of our Founding Fathers through Reagan.
You are aware that during much of this period the border was closed? And you are aware that we used to have much tighter security as to not letting sick people enter? I am for that, too. But your rhetoric seems to favor more open borders.
Quote:If your ideology ends at the borders or your country, then it is nationalism. That is in direct conflict with your definition of conservative. It's something Marx, Lennin, Stalin, and Castro all believed in. Now it's you and Trump who believe in it.
My country ends at the border. Yes, I agree with Trump because I am a citizen of the USA, not some kind of citizen of a borderless world. Other countries need to deal with their populations as we need to deal with ours. I am not for an open border so they can "have a chance." Go to Mexico and try to work, try to buy property near the borders or coasts. See how you are treated. Please report back. Borders are a fact of life.
Quote: rxwineI never pointed out anything about ensuring equal outcome. Here is what I said.
I know what you said. You said the government must tilt the rules to try to get a more equal outcome.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkAre you the same person in all scenarios? I know that I am surely not. The person that I am at work is totally different the the person who is blowing off steam in Vegas.
I don't understand the question/point. Are you agreeing with me that people will act different as part of a larger group of folks like themselves then? Are you agreeing that while there are "good muslims" that islam can be and still is radical? It sounds like you are.
Quote: AZDuffmanI don't understand the question/point. Are you agreeing with me that people will act different as part of a larger group of folks like themselves then? Are you agreeing that while there are "good muslims" that islam can be and still is radical? It sounds like you are.
Jesus dude, you must live in your own little world if that is what you took from my comment. My point is that you seem to judge the black person who acted differently around a fellow black. I simply commented that most people will act differently in various circumstances.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkJesus dude, you must live in your own little world if that is what you took from my comment. My point is that you seem to judge the black person who acted differently around a fellow black. I simply commented that most people will act differently in various circumstances.
I am not "judging" anyone. I am trying to get you to understand that a societies behavior is different from an individual's behavior. Trying to show the dangers of islam and how radical it is. Your counter is "I know a good muslim!" That is an unintellectual defense.
And pointing out "most people will act differently in various circumstances" is EXACTLY what I am trying to say. When muslims are say 1% of the population they will act much different than when they are 5, 10, or 20. The more of the population they are, the more radical and dangerous that population becomes (see "nogo zones.") The more problems it causes to the non-muslim population.
They are acting differently as the circumstances change. How I behave at work vs. at a casino has nothing to do with that.
Quote: Dalex64Is that supposed to be a joke?
Completely, and a good natured one, as he knows I live on lands that my family has lived on since prehistory.
Good to see you still kicking around, Buzz. Maybe bite the bullet one of these days so we can stop meeting like this. Until then, go s@#$ in your hat =)
Well, in the absence of a smiley, looks like it cost him time out. ( Not by me)Quote: Dalex64Is that supposed to be a joke?
Quote: AZDuffmanI am not "judging" anyone. I am trying to get you to understand that a societies behavior is different from an individual's behavior. Trying to show the dangers of islam and how radical it is. Your counter is "I know a good muslim!" That is an unintellectual defense.
And pointing out "most people will act differently in various circumstances" is EXACTLY what I am trying to say. When muslims are say 1% of the population they will act much different than when they are 5, 10, or 20. The more of the population they are, the more radical and dangerous that population becomes (see "nogo zones.") The more problems it causes to the non-muslim population.
AMENDMENT I:
Quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It would take more than 20% in this country for either, but other than changing the numbers a bit, you could take what you just said and replace, "Muslims," with, "Christians," and it wouldn't be a huge stretch.
Quote: FaceCompletely, and a good natured one, as he knows I live on lands that my family has lived on since prehistory.
Good to see you still kicking around, Buzz. Maybe bite the bullet one of these days so we can stop meeting like this. Until then, go s@#$ in your hat =)
Quote: OnceDearWell, in the absence of a smiley, looks like it cost him time out. ( Not by me)
I thought the user knew a bit more about Face than a "new user" should have, in order to make such a joke.
Quote: Mission146AMENDMENT I:
It would take more than 20% in this country for either, but other than changing the numbers a bit, you could take what you just said and replace, "Muslims," with, "Christians," and it wouldn't be a huge stretch.
Show me a nation where Christians are blowing themselves up while yelling “Jesus is good!” Show me Christian nogo zones. Show me a Christian society where a woman can be killed for the crime if being raped.
Explain to me why muslims leave muslim nations to live in Christian nations in the order of hundreds of times vs the other way around.
Compare and contrast social conditions in Christian societies vs muslim.
Trust me. You do not want to live in a muslim society.
How can you trust a society that hates dogs?
Quote:Explain to me why muslims leave muslim nations to live in Christian nations in the order of hundreds of times vs the other way around.
Compare and contrast social conditions in Christian societies vs muslim.
Education is the main problem, not religion. Countries with a Muslim majority are some of the most uneducated on a global level.
Quote: AZDuffmanShow me a nation where Christians are blowing themselves up while yelling “Jesus is good!” Show me Christian nogo zones. Show me a Christian society where a woman can be killed for the crime if being raped.
Here's some Christian terrorism for you. Not on a state-sponsored level, though, and if you look at that list, a lot of it is in countries with low education standards, which backs up the point I made above.
Quote: AZDuffmanShow me a nation where Christians are blowing themselves up while yelling “Jesus is good!” Show me Christian nogo zones. Show me a Christian society where a woman can be killed for the crime if being raped.
Explain to me why muslims leave muslim nations to live in Christian nations in the order of hundreds of times vs the other way around.
Compare and contrast social conditions in Christian societies vs muslim.
Trust me. You do not want to live in a muslim society.
How can you trust a society that hates dogs?
Christians don't blow themselves up. They blow other people up, with smug justifications about God being on their side. Some literally, many more virtually. Abortion doctors, gays, minorities, women, other religions, = thousands of dead souls at the hands of Christian extremists.
No go Christian zones are everywhere in this country. HobbyLobby, Chik-Fil-A, Ye Olde Bigoted Bakery, seemingly the entire state of Indiana, many churches and private schools who work to exclude rather than include, and from what you say and your avatar, your house might be one.
The number of murdered, battered, abused women in domestic violence events in this country far outweighs the number of raped women in Muslim societies who are murdered or otherwise punished. And many "christian" religious sects in this country teach or condone implicitly this male-dominant attitude. And no, I'm not saying either practice is the least bit acceptable. Just that your Christian hands are not clean in any of this. I suggest you revisit Matthew 7:3-5.
And that's just the physical sphere. The social media presence is even more oppressive, with "alternative" and manufactured facts supporting a punishing and elitist philosophy. The Internet has multiplied the organization and communication of these people a hundred-fold over the last 20 years. Check this list for the hundreds of US hate groups, dozens each of "christian", anti-muslim (many also "christian"), anti-semite (again) anti-black (ditto), etc ad nauseum.
As for you not judging, (up thread claim) that's a laughable statement. All you have done throughout this thread is judge and stereotype, from women, to Muslims, to blacks. All negative. All toxic, forced into every similar thread on this forum, celebrated by you on DT where you're on hyperdrive. Again, Matthew 7 is your friend, verse 1 this time.
So here you are again, flooding a discussion where people who had hoped to talk TO each other with your provocative extremist spew, shutting down yet another nuanced conversation, forcing people to address your stuff instead . Mission accomplished, I'm sure. Well done. /sarcasm /rant /thread
Quote: beachbumbabs
No go Christian zones are everywhere in this country. HobbyLobby, Chik-Fil-A,
Sorry BBB, but this is absurd. I have not seen a single story where a homosexual has been made to feel unwelcome in Chik-fil-a. While they may not like the stance of the owner, that is not how anybody is treated in his restaurants.
On the contrary, the are consistently ranked among the most loved restaurants in America.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkSorry BBB, but this is absurd. I have not seen a single story where a homosexual has been made to feel unwelcome in Chik-fil-a. While they may not like the stance of the owner, that is not how anybody is treated in his restaurants.
On the contrary, the are consistently ranked among the most loved restaurants in America.
Fair enough. Probably more that people who disagree with their politics (H-L too) don't shop there and support their advocacy. Other side of the coin from Starbucks or other businesses avoided by the Right for their liberal leanings.
I very rarely rise to the level of boycotting a business or product. I remember a funny boycott from my family. Back in 2004 when John Kerry was running, my mother decided to boycott Heinz Ketchup because he was married to the heiress. That was the height of absurdity.
I will be boycotting the NFL this season if they dont find a solution that I find palatable. I liked what they came up with early in the year, but I see they are putting that on hold since the Player Union is suing them and they have enter negotiations regarding the topic. So I guess we will see where that lands.
I understand the original circumstances of why it got special consideration though. However, I find it problematic, as I think it acquires a special aura over free thought when it is basically free thought.
If a free thinker wants to go to work with a potato strapped to his head, and then gets fired for it, how much support will that get? Probably not much. But if my religion requires it, that's what I mean by special aura. It will actually have to be taken seriously.
That's all I have to say about political/religion.
Quote: beachbumbabsChristians don't blow themselves up. They blow other people up, with smug justifications about God being on their side. Some literally, many more virtually. Abortion doctors, gays, minorities, women, other religions, = thousands of dead souls at the hands of Christian extremists.
No go Christian zones are everywhere in this country. HobbyLobby, Chik-Fil-A, Ye Olde Bigoted Bakery, seemingly the entire state of Indiana, many churches and private schools who work to exclude rather than include, and from what you say and your avatar, your house might be one.
The number of murdered, battered, abused women in domestic violence events in this country far outweighs the number of raped women in Muslim societies who are murdered or otherwise punished. And many "christian" religious sects in this country teach or condone implicitly this male-dominant attitude. And no, I'm not saying either practice is the least bit acceptable. Just that your Christian hands are not clean in any of this. I suggest you revisit Matthew 7:3-5.
And that's just the physical sphere. The social media presence is even more oppressive, with "alternative" and manufactured facts supporting a punishing and elitist philosophy. The Internet has multiplied the organization and communication of these people a hundred-fold over the last 20 years. Check this list for the hundreds of US hate groups, dozens each of "christian", anti-muslim (many also "christian"), anti-semite (again) anti-black (ditto), etc ad nauseum.
As for you not judging, (up thread claim) that's a laughable statement. All you have done throughout this thread is judge and stereotype, from women, to Muslims, to blacks. All negative. All toxic, forced into every similar thread on this forum, celebrated by you on DT where you're on hyperdrive. Again, Matthew 7 is your friend, verse 1 this time.
So here you are again, flooding a discussion where people who had hoped to talk TO each other with your provocative extremist spew, shutting down yet another nuanced conversation, forcing people to address your stuff instead . Mission accomplished, I'm sure. Well done. /sarcasm /rant /thread
I stopped reading when you called hobby lobby and chick fill a no go zones. Not sure who is nogo there. CoUse you please explain? Is the bigoted bakery the one at wal mart where the black woman did not want to make a cake that said “Blue Lives Matter” then did a crap job when forced to?
Who has been refused service at any of these places to make them nogo?
Edit: replies posted while this was posting.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkSorry BBB, but this is absurd. I have not seen a single story where a homosexual has been made to feel unwelcome in Chik-fil-a. While they may not like the stance of the owner, that is not how anybody is treated in his restaurants.
On the contrary, the are consistently ranked among the most loved restaurants in America.
Of course they are. The food is great. The employees are polite. And the stores are clean.
98% of franchise applications do not make it.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkYeah that is a more fair statement.
I very rarely rise to the level of boycotting a business or product. I remember a funny boycott from my family. Back in 2004 when John Kerry was running, my mother decided to boycott Heinz Ketchup because he was married to the heiress. That was the height of absurdity.
I will be boycotting the NFL this season if they dont find a solution that I find palatable. I liked what they came up with early in the year, but I see they are putting that on hold since the Player Union is suing them and they have enter negotiations regarding the topic. So I guess we will see where that lands.
Any retail store open on Thanksgiving Day is pretty much my criteria for boycotting a store I’d normally shop at. It cost me Big Lots and Rural King most recently. It’s a shame, too, because Big Lots has a ton of unique items in dry grocery. They also have the coffee that I really like. Rural King has some unique dry grocery items, too, come to think of it.
I’m pretty limited on where I can shop for clothes, too. I still have Marshall’s and TJ Maxx, fortunately. A few others.
Man, don’t boycott the NFL. Why boycott the NFL? What’s a palatable solution?
I’m not boycotting either way, but the only solution that is palatable to me is let the owners of each individual team handle it themselves. They own the team, they get to tell the employees what to do in the workplace. Simple.
Quote: Mission146
Man, don’t boycott the NFL. Why boycott the NFL? What’s a palatable solution?
I’m not boycotting either way, but the only solution that is palatable to me is let the owners of each individual team handle it themselves. They own the team, they get to tell the employees what to do in the workplace. Simple.
Two reason to boycott. First, I am very patriotic. I love my country and my constitution ;) I will always stand for the national anthem and place my hand over my heart for the national anthem...even at home. You can call me silly for that, and that is fine. The second is that, while I can sympathize with the issue of the protest, I honestly dont want to hear about it during football. I am a slack paced job, so I am up on the news cycle all week long. I really dont want politics injected into my game.
I get what you are saying about allowing each team to handle it seperatly, but I am not sure if I agree with that. Each team is still under the NFL umbrella and there needs to be a set of rules governing the league. Think about say McDonalds. Each owner may have little minor things here or there that they are allowed to decided, but for the most part, they are governed by corporate.
As a PS, I know this is a hot button issue to some degree and I have no desire to defend myself against multiple people, so this will be my last post on the subject. Mission, you are one of the more level headed people on this forum from what I have seen over the years, so I will gladly continue this discussion via PM.
PPS, I really hope they do come to a good solution because I want to join the forums pool if Mission decides to run it again....although I am dead money.
I think the point is, everybody is acting. But most refuse to realize it.Quote: VCUSkyhawk. I simply commented that most people will act differently in various circumstances.
Quote: petroglyphI think the point is, everybody is acting. But most refuse to realize it.Quote: VCUSkyhawk. I simply commented that most people will act differently in various circumstances.
I think we are mostly always acting. When I think about it, I am my truest me around my wife and kid. Hard to keep certain mannerism that arent you up all the time.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkTwo reason to boycott. First, I am very patriotic. I love my country and my constitution ;) I will always stand for the national anthem and place my hand over my heart for the national anthem...even at home. You can call me silly for that, and that is fine.
That’s silly.
Although, I rise for that bad boy at sporting events etc, as well as rising for the pledge. I think the pledge is about what we’re all in our hearts thinking the country is trying to be, even if those viewpoints differ. It holds a place in my heart the same way Thanksgiving does.
I stand for the anthem, but we should officially change it to, “Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue,” by Toby Keith.
Quote:The second is that, while I can sympathize with the issue of the protest, I honestly dont want to hear about it during football. I am a slack paced job, so I am up on the news cycle all week long. I really dont want politics injected into my game.
This is all that orange idiot’s fault. He’s the one who brought it up out of nowhere when the NFL was good and ready to live and let live. If he should be impeached for anything, it should be messing with football. He’s just mad they wouldn’t let him buy those scrubs, the Buffalo Bills.
Quote:I get what you are saying about allowing each team to handle it seperatly, but I am not sure if I agree with that. Each team is still under the NFL umbrella and there needs to be a set of rules governing the league. Think about say McDonalds. Each owner may have little minor things here or there that they are allowed to decided, but for the most part, they are governed by corporate.
Is it a penalty?
Personal Foul: Not Standing for the Anthem, Number 7, Offense, Ten Yard Penalty to be Enforced on the Kickoff!
The only rules the NFL needs to do are to govern salaries, practice regulations, fairness of competition and what takes place on the football field during the game.
If you do leave it up to the NFL, though, they need to just decide that either everyone stands, or that slimy little grub Goddell needs to grow a set of nuts for the first time in his life and tell Trump to F off.
Football is one of the most American institutions in this country, and the long-term viability of its biggest league has been threatened by President Oompa-Loompa.
Anyway, F that guy and F Roger Goddell for not having enough of a scrod to stand up to him. But, none of this is the fault of any player or team owner.
Quote:As a PS, I know this is a hot button issue to some degree and I have no desire to defend myself against multiple people, so this will be my last post on the subject. Mission, you are one of the more level headed people on this forum from what I have seen over the years, so I will gladly continue this discussion via PM.
PPS, I really hope they do come to a good solution because I want to join the forums pool if Mission decides to run it again....although I am dead money.
PM works for me, feel free to respond to this post there, if you like. See you in the pool!
Family's are often the only ones that see us.Quote: VCUSkyhawkQuote: petroglyphI think the point is, everybody is acting. But most refuse to realize it.Quote: VCUSkyhawk. I simply commented that most people will act differently in various circumstances.
I think we are mostly always acting. When I think about it, I am my truest me around my wife and kid. Hard to keep certain mannerism that arent you up all the time.
Sometimes it's fun when you know somebody is putting on a complete air [sp?], and snap them out of it. It often times makes their day as well.
Many people are just droning through life, without engaging.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkTwo reason to boycott. First, I am very patriotic. I love my country and my constitution ;) I will always stand for the national anthem and place my hand over my heart for the national anthem...even at home. You can call me silly for that, and that is fine. The second is that, while I can sympathize with the issue of the protest, I honestly dont want to hear about it during football. I am a slack paced job, so I am up on the news cycle all week long. I really dont want politics injected into my game.
Just tune it out. Trust me, you will find much better things to do on beautiful fall days. First year or two it is rough, after that you will never miss it.
Quote: AZDuffmanOf course they are. The food is great. The employees are polite. And the stores are clean.
98% of franchise applications do not make it.
As someone who finds the food at chik fil a to be the general definition of mediocre and never choose to go there unless I’m just along, the general attitude and customer service has been without exception well above what you would expect from fast food or fast casual on each occasion. The high rejection rate of applicants is surely partially the result of focusing any institutional discrimination based on religion at that level instead of the store....no comment on that im okay with that, they clearly doing a lot of things the right way.
Quote: mcallister3200As someone who finds the food at chik fil a to be the general definition of mediocre and never choose to go there unless I’m just along, the general attitude and customer service has been without exception well above what you would expect from fast food or fast casual on each occasion. The high rejection rate of applicants is surely partially the result of focusing any institutional discrimination based on religion at that level instead of the store....no comment on that im okay with that, they clearly doing a lot of things the right way.
I find it very, very hard to believe they discriminate on the basis of religion one bit. They just run a clean operation. They keep on a path of controlled growth so they have their pick of operators and employees. I have heard that when an applicant for manager is known to be coming in they will leave a piece of trash on the floor to see if he picks it up. That is the level of service and attention to detail they are on.
The same attitude once put MCD ahead of everyone else. MCD took far more care in setting and keeping standards. Clean meant CLEAN! Other operators took more an attitude of "it's a hamburger!" While other factors made MCD a profit machine, the attention to operations made consumers choose to eat there.
Today people choose Chick-Fil-A. The stores do a killer business. And they do it in 6 days not 7.
Quote: AZDuffman
The same attitude once put MCD ahead of everyone else. MCD took far more care in setting and keeping standards. Clean meant CLEAN! Other operators took more an attitude of "it's a hamburger!" While other factors made MCD a profit machine, the attention to operations made consumers choose to eat there.
From what I read this is true. I am curious when they started their decline into horrible customer service and uncleanliness. Perhaps they just didnt care about who was opening one and just wanted the franchise fees.
Quote: AZDuffmanI find it very, very hard to believe they discriminate on the basis of religion one bit. They just run a clean operation. They keep on a path of controlled growth so they have their pick of operators and employees.
My comment in that regard was ONLY in regards to franchisees. My understanding, and i could be mistaken, was that you had to be Christian to own a store? If that is not the case then that would change my opinion, as it is based on that understanding. At least the requirement to be closed Sunday is based on religious beliefs, not that there’s anything wrong with that.....just limiting everyone’s theoretical upside.
Quote:Step 4:
Play an active role in your church. Chick-fil-A’s owners are devout Christians and expect all of their operators to share Christian values. Operators do not need to be Christian, but must be willing to close the restaurant on Sundays, espouse Christian values and be willing to participate in group prayers during training and management meetings.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/chickfila-franchise-christian_b_1737408.html
Quote: VCUSkyhawkFrom what I read this is true. I am curious when they started their decline into horrible customer service and uncleanliness. Perhaps they just didnt care about who was opening one and just wanted the franchise fees.
Probably started right after after Fred Turner left. Just a hunch.
Quote: rxwineApparently from their application process.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-reifowitz/chickfila-franchise-christian_b_1737408.html
So it says right there that they do not discriminate. At most they are saying if you are such a bigot that you cannot be part of a prayer then you need not apply.
I worked at a similar company. Was no big deal just an invocation at the start of big meetings. Lots of places probably do the same.
Quote: mcallister3200My comment in that regard was ONLY in regards to franchisees. My understanding, and i could be mistaken, was that you had to be Christian to own a store? If that is not the case then that would change my opinion, as it is based on that understanding. At least the requirement to be closed Sunday is based on religious beliefs, not that there’s anything wrong with that.....just limiting everyone’s theoretical upside.
AFIK most stores are company owned and have an “operator” not a franchisee. I interviewed there and that is how it was explained.
There are “licensees” on places like college campuses. Not sure how it legally differs.
Big deal they close on Sunday. Not sure why that bothers some people.
Quote: AZDuffmanBig deal they close on Sunday. Not sure why that bothers some people.
It bothers me personally because Sundays are the only days I actually want to/have time to eat Chik-Fil-a because there's one in the shopping center where I run all my errands that day. Every other day of the week I'm nowhere near that part of town so if I do eat out I end up eating McDonald's or Burger King or some Mexican place.
Obviously they're not hurting for my money, though.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo, I assume you see the dangers of East LA even if many "individuals" are "good people?"
In either case, I know the difference between an individual and a larger society. I have seen Blacks act totally different when they are alone with a group of whites than when they were among even a few other Blacks. One worked for me, totally proper most of the time. My other manager was out on a meeting with him and said she could not believe how he acted when he met another Black guy. Said he went in the words of Joe Biden, into using "his negro dialect." She was amazed. I was less so because I had seen it happen with other Black guys. Almost as if they spoke some other language at work, but could relax at home.
The same thing happens with muslims. As the percent of muslims in a non-muslim society increases, so does violence. Eventually you get the no-go zones that EU leaders said "do not exist" until they said they really exist.
You are an idealist. I am a realist. Realists will out-survive idealists every time.
I know what you mean. I once worked in an all male office. My boss's second wife was previously his secretary and insisted he not hire any females. So this one guy was pretty young, but totally proper.
One time we went out after work and once he had a drink or two in him and in the company of females he totally changed. Suddenly he was using words no one over thirty has ever used, ignored his co-workers and acted completely different than at work. The horror.
Cockroaches out survive idealist. Is that something to brag about?
By the way, the number of Muslims in the U.S. has increased ten fold since the 1960s . Violence has decreased substantially in the same period. Fact. Not wild theory.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo it says right there that they do not discriminate. At most they are saying if you are such a bigot that you cannot be part of a prayer then you need not apply.
Would you be a bigot if you refused to take part in a Muslim prayer at work?
Quote: AZDuffmanSo it says right there that they do not discriminate. At most they are saying if you are such a bigot that you cannot be part of a prayer then you need not apply.
No problem, respect the Muslim prayers as you encounter them.
Quote: gamerfreakWould you be a bigot if you refused to take part in a Muslim prayer at work?
I would stand quietly and respectfully but not be active. Same as people could do for Christian prayers when we had them and I’d wager same as chick fil a requests.
Quote: billryanI know what you mean. I once worked in an all male office. My boss's second wife was previously his secretary and insisted he not hire any females. So this one guy was pretty young, but totally proper.
One time we went out after work and once he had a drink or two in him and in the company of females he totally changed. Suddenly he was using words no one over thirty has ever used, ignored his co-workers and acted completely different than at work. The horror.
Cockroaches out survive idealist. Is that something to brag about?
By the way, the number of Muslims in the U.S. has increased ten fold since the 1960s . Violence has decreased substantially in the same period. Fact. Not wild theory.
Violence has declined or muslim violence has declined?
Muslim violence is on a huge increase in Europe. It’s all about when they get to a 5-10% population threshold.
Okay, here is an excellent example of why I won't call myself a Liberal:
Read this if you want to:
https://nypost.com/2018/08/02/white-woman-called-cops-on-me-for-standing-in-doorway-during-rain/
The long and short of this one is a black woman ducked out of the rain into the doorway of an apartment (or apartment building) in order to wait out an Uber ride. One of the residents of the building, who claimed her parents own the building, came out and asked the black woman, Darsell Obregon, to leave. In Obregon's own words:
Quote:“I was in #Brooklyn walking to the train when a sudden rain storm began and I hid in the doorway OUTSIDE of a random apartment in #ParkSlope to shield myself from the rain and call an Uber,” she wrote. “No more than 3 minutes later a young woman who lives in the building opened the front door and told me that I can not stand there and had to leave. I told her I was not going to move (unbeknownst to her I was just waiting for my ride and would be leaving in a couple of minutes) so then she proceeded to call the police.”
So, the other woman, Arabel Torres, called the police. The Uber arrived whilst Torres was still on the phone with police dispatch, and Torres (incorrectly) yelled at the Uber driver that he would be committing an illegal act by leaving.
Torres' side of the story is that she is nineteen, autistic, wouldn't have been concerned had her parents been home, but that someone just standing in front of her apartment door concerned her.
THE FACTS
1.) Obregon was standing there.
2.) It was private property.
3.) Obregon was asked to leave, and by her own admission, refused.
4.) Obregon then proceeded to film someone on the very same private property she'd been asked to vacate.
5.) Obregon, by her own admission, did not tell Torres her reason for being there.
How it Should Have Been Handled
Some people might say Torres should never have confronted Obregon, and I'll allow that, but if Torres actually did feel threatened, then that would leave calling the cops without speaking to Obregon as the only option. People would REALLY be flipping out then.
Obregon might have objected to being made to leave, but she could have done it by saying she was just waiting for an Uber ride and wanted to get out of the rain. What is so difficult about being polite enough to tell someone why you're standing on their property? I'm not saying Torres would have, but I think most people would accept that explanation and then just go back inside.
I don't know why Torres would threaten the Uber driver. More than that, Obregon leaving kind of gave Torres what she wanted...mainly that Obregon be Obregone. (Weak joke)
THE REACTION
First of all, all of these websites are calling Torres a, "White woman."
https://www.ebony.com/news-views/white-woman-calls-cops-black-woman-uber-video
https://blackamericaweb.com/2018/08/02/white-woman-calls-cops-on-black-woman-waiting-for-an-uber-video/
https://www.theroot.com/brooklyn-becky-cops-called-on-suspicious-looking-black-1828057076 (Headline)
https://www.indy100.com/article/white-woman-911-call-black-brooklyn-rain-storm-doorway-8474116
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/black-woman-accuses-home-owner-13020148
https://blavity.com/white-woman-calls-cops-on-black-woman-waiting-for-her-uber-and-minding-her-business
Torres, who says her dad is from Puerto Rico, at a minimum, is half-Hispanic.
Of course, "Half-White, Half-Hispanic Woman," is not going to generate nearly as much white hysteria for the SJW movement, now is it?
Basically, everyone wants to make a racial thing out of a black woman being asked to move off of private property. How is this #WhitePrivilege? Do white people also not have to go away or offer an explanation for themselves when asked to leave private property? I believe that we do. In fact, I was asked to leave private property several times when I was a kid, and I'm white.
Secondly, had Obregon offered the explanation that she was just waiting for an Uber and did not want to get rained on, (which she admits to not doing) then I would be willing to say that Torres would be less than polite to make her move knowing that. I don't think that makes it necessarily a racial thing, though.
Most importantly, by her own admission, it sounds like Obregon just said the equivalent of, "I'm not going anywhere." How is that acceptable for anyone to do?
THE WORST OFFENDER
I almost fell over myself when I happened upon this...um...I'll be diplomatic and call it an article:
https://blavity.com/white-woman-calls-cops-on-black-woman-waiting-for-her-uber-and-minding-her-business
Which says, in part:
Quote:The video ended with the white woman, who seemed desperate to see a black person get arrested and possibly killed, providing the operator with the Uber's license plate number.
How is Torres, "Desperate to see a black person get arrested and possibly killed?" For giving the police a license plate number?
Don't get me wrong, I could have forgiven, "Arrested," even though the word, "Desperate," is highly questionable.
But, "Killed!??"
There is nothing about Torres' behavior whatsoever that leads me to the conclusion that Torres wanted Obregon to die. I lost five IQ points just from reading that sentence, and now all of you have too, so I'm sorry about that.
Maya J. Boddie, the writer of the Blavity, "Article," is too stupid to be allowed anywhere near a computer. That sentence was, quite probably, the stupidest sentence I have read in my entire life. Killed?
WHERE WE ARE
So, that's where we are.
I think that everyone should have the same rights, but apparently, a not-insubstantial percentage of the public disagrees. If you are white, you no longer have the ability to ask a person of any race except white to leave private property, or in the alternative, be publicly vilified. This is true even if the minority in question does not want to offer you an explanation for being on said private property more than, "I'm not going anywhere."
There are racists on both sides and racists are terrible, don't get me wrong. But one person wanting another to leave private property does not make the first person a racist regardless of the races of the two people involved.
So, if I go back to identifying as a, "Liberal," these are the people I get lumped in with? No thanks.
