Health and Weight Loss
True. Diet drinks were never associated with weight loss but only fairly recently have they been linked to weight gain. I pity all those trusting souls who thought they were doing the right thing listening to advertisers.Quote: TankoDiet drinks are associated with weight gain.
It is often hard to stick to water particularly hard to do socially.
Quote: TankoDiet drinks are associated with weight gain. WAPO
There are 140-150 calories in an 8oz. glass of beer, soda, wine, or juice, and about 90 calories in a glass of milk.
Just four glasses of any combination of those per day adds 11,000-18,000 calories each month to your diet.
You will lose five pounds each month, or avoid gaining five pounds each month, drinking nothing but water.
You make an assertion about diet drinks then give facts about non-diet drinks?
Quote: TankoDiet drinks are associated with weight gain. WAPO
There are 140-150 calories in an 8oz. glass of beer, soda, wine, or juice, and about 90 calories in a glass of milk.
Just four glasses of any combination of those per day adds 11,000-18,000 calories each month to your diet.
You will lose five pounds each month, or avoid gaining five pounds each month, drinking nothing but water.
We were not debating the health benefits of diet soda or whether diet soda would make you crave more sugar and cause you to eat more - we were debating the actual physical liquid of water versus diet soda and the immediate scale weight gain for pouring liquids into your body
Quote: vegasA pound of water and a pound of say Diet coke will both go through your system and leave no weight gain. Its what you eat with or after your drinks that add the calories.
Exactly what I have been trying to say and what started this debate a couple of pages ago
Quote: aceofspadesExactly what I have been trying to say and what started this debate a couple of pages ago
So now that you have found someone who agrees with you ,we can put this to rest?
Quote: billryanSo now that you have found someone who agrees with you ,we can put this to rest?
Lol is that how it works? Damn we could have stopped Nathan's thread 100 pages ago.
When water goes through your system it cleans and takes toxins or something with it, right?
Does diet pop do that? If not then that is the answer. If it does then I have no idea.
Quote: billryanOver the years, I had "outgrown" many pairs of pants and jeans, but I held on to them in the hope I might fit in to them again.
When I moved here two years ago, I gave most to charity, but kept four brand new ones I'd never worn. Saturday I tried them on. Two went on easily, and with some effort I got on a pair that didn't fit me ten years ago.
Moments like this make the sacrifices worthwhile.
I had some suits from when I was in college (35-40 years ago) that I outgrew in the waist and probably hadn't worn in 30 years. They fit now, and do not look outdated. I love telling some of my younger friends and colleagues that my suit is older than them.....
Quote: JohnnyQI am 4.5 months into an on-line weight loss "program" called Healthywage.com.
If I meet my goal of losing 40 lbs in 6 months, I win $ 500-ish. If I don't, I lose $ 600-ish.
The process was pretty straight-forward. One "certified" weigh-in at the beginning, which I did at our corporate Wellness Center, and then a weigh-in at the end. I am slightly behind my pace, but I am optimistic that I will still end up LOSING (enuff) WEIGHT and WINNING MONEY.
AND MY UPDATE:
Well, for what it's worth ( $ 500-ish ), I was able to "win" $ 500-ish from this website. I got the check and deposited it.
- And with No drama on this forum !
- That's gotta be worth something, huh ? ? ?
- It's a few bucks. Won't make or break me. But I'd rather have it than be out my $$$'s.
- AND I am healthier than I was a few short months ago.
It wasn't easy. It wasn't hard. But I didn't know for sure until the last week of my 6 months if I would win the "wager" or not, which was to lose 40 lbs in 6 months. That was about 17 % of my body weight. I won it. So "whoop whoop".
I am trying to keep an eye on my weight and maintain my weight loss. Right now I am about 5 lbs over my total loss. To me that is acceptable and I am happy with it. It would be nice to get back on my routine and lose another 5 to 10 lbs net.
Quote: JohnnyQAND MY UPDATE:
Well, for what it's worth ( $ 500-ish ), I was able to "win" $ 500-ish from this website. I got the check and deposited it.
- And with No drama on this forum !
- That's gotta be worth something, huh ? ? ?
- It's a few bucks. Won't make or break me. But I'd rather have it than be out my $$$'s.
- AND I am healthier than I was a few short months ago.
It wasn't easy. It wasn't hard. But I didn't know for sure until the last week of my 6 months if I would win the "wager" or not, which was to lose 40 lbs in 6 months. That was about 17 % of my body weight. I won it. So "whoop whoop".
I am trying to keep an eye on my weight and maintain my weight loss. Right now I am about 5 lbs over my total loss. To me that is acceptable and I am happy with it. It would be nice to get back on my routine and lose another 5 to 10 lbs net.
Major congratulations, JQ! I disagree a little bit...that can't have been easy, had to be at least a bit hard.
Great tagline, too, thanks. Needed that today.
Quote: JohnnyQAND MY UPDATE:But I didn't know for sure until the last week of my 6 months if I would win the "wager" or not, which was to lose 40 lbs in 6 months. That was about 17 % of my body weight. I won it. So "whoop whoop".
Thanks, BBB.
Yeah, it if was EASY I guess it wouldn't have come down to my last week of the 6 months.
The website said submitting before and after pix was optional. I found a picture from 5 months ago and my buddy at work snapped a picture at work. I was surprised to see the difference, since it was of course very gradual day to day to day for me to see it.
So now the hard part of keeping (most) of the weight off.
At least a little piece of my success was a result of:
a) Having an egg-beaters egg-white sandwich for breakfast. Crazy low calories !
b) Not going to Wendy's for lunch quite as often.
- Gotta love that 4 for $ 4
https://youtu.be/VzPD009qTN4
The highlight is that the microbes in your gut tell your brain what kind of food they want and this gives you cravings.
There are different factions of microbes and each clamors for their preferred food. The more microbes in a faction the more they are heard.
If you starve out the factions that like unhealthy food and feed the factions that like healthy food they will take charge and you'll crave healthy food more and unhealthy food less.
Kind of ties in with some recent discussions I've had. Until recently (getting into gambling) it was very unusual that I'd know adults who eat the bottom tier fast foods, like bk and tb. Now I know several. It seems almost impossible that someone could actually enjoy the taste and smell, so I figured there is some chemical thing going on. Maybe this is a big part of that.
Not sure what it has to do with gambling.
A great deal is. Robin Williams Lewy Body Disease, suicidal and homicidal behavior in general and probably risk taking behavior.
Do all gamblers eat junk food and smoke like a chimney? No of course not, but in general there does seem to be a degree of affinity. Lots of people eat junk food and don't even buy a lotto ticket.
did the Vegas Shooter have cranial parasites? We will never know.
But more and more these really rare situations are being found more commonly simply because people are looking for them
Quote: FleaStiff
did the Vegas Shooter have cranial parasites? We will never know.
That clocktower shooter back in the '60's said there was something wrong with him and in his suicide note he pleaded with people to autopsy his brain. When they did they found a tumor or something. I wonder how often stuff like that is the cause of all these shootings but people just don't think to look for it.
Just goes to show you that no matter how much you take care of yourself, there's always something that can get you. Scary! I'd still rather eat healthy and work out every day, though, just in case...
The bookstore clerk and the off duty Hispanic cop who made it all the way from home up to the tower and had the courage to go out there rather than linger were the real heroes of the day. The man who perhaps saved the most lives was the one who drew five rounds partly by hugging a column but leaving just enough of himself exposed to unknowingly taunt the shooter thus allowing the noise and intervening time to allow others to scatter and hunt for cover.
There was little medicine could do then but I fear even less would actually be done now even though more is technically "available". I had two physicians tell me I had a brain tumor (they were wrong) but it took me two years to get an MRI.
Quote: FleaStiffI had two physicians tell me I had a brain tumor (they were wrong) but it took me two years to get an MRI.
Yikes... at that point I think I would have hopped on a plane to Thailand and gotten an MRI there for like $10 and brought the results back to the states... haha...
Quote: FleaStiff
Do all gamblers eat junk food and smoke like a chimney? No of course not, but in general there does seem to be a degree of affinity. Lots of people eat junk food and don't even buy a lotto ticket.
True. I worked in casinos and the main thing I noticed then is a lot of people would get like 6 or 7 sugars in their coffee ( making their coffee not black).
A guy I know who is into nutrition, but also somewhat crazy, said that FF places load their food with sugar. In the burger buns for example. And this is what makes them addictive.
I've known lots of people who eat unhealthfully. I used to be one. But usually they eat things like, decent pizza, good burgers and fries, greasy Chinese, lots of beer etc. In my prior experience however, it was pretty rare for someone to routinely eat at, say, MacDonalds unless they were either 1)poor/ignorant. 2) A child. But on this forum, and among gamblers I know, it is very common.
So perhaps sugar is the missing link. Maybe sugar and gambling provide a similar kick.
I was talking about this with my mom and she mentioned that she just happened to have Subway about 3 times in a short span because she was busy. Pretty bad sandwiches, but if you order carefully, they aren't disgusting like, say, Taco Bell. She noticed that after a few times, she kind of wanted another one, even though she didn't really like them.
There might be more similarities too. Sitting at a machine or a table for hours is kind of a closed, repetitive experience. Eating the same FF day after day is a closed, repetitive experience. But that doesn't really explain, why MacDonalds, instead of say, 5 Guys. But perhaps 5 guys has less sugar.
Quote: billryanDoes any 5 Guys have a drive thru? I have yet to try one.
LOL.....you won't get out of your car and walk into the store?😂
They had a few in NY but none in my neighborhood.
Quote: billryanDoes any 5 Guys have a drive thru? I have yet to try one.
I ate there once. I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe one or two steps above somewhere like McDonald's, but it's pretty on par with a burger at just about any chain restaurant.
Good tasting, that is, not good for you. Everything they sell is fatty/greasy. You can pick decent fresh toppings, like WhatABurger, but it's still heavy grease burger and deep fried potatoes.
Quote: TigerWuI ate there once. I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe one or two steps above somewhere like McDonald's, but it's pretty on par with a burger at just about any chain restaurant.
Me too. I also thought that Five Guys wasn't all that great. And it was kind of expensive. Roughly $ 11 for a burger, fries, and a coke? No, just no. I can go to Steak And Shake and get a burger, coke, fries and a shake for roughly $11 and that's the regular menu. During happy hour, that meal is now roughly $8 for everything at SAS. I guess the appeal at Five Guys is in how many toppings you can add to your burger and how large the "Small" fries actually is. The "Small" fries, is actually bigger than the "Large" fries at McDonald's! ;)
I will try the burger lounge at some point. Maybe play a few hours of poker there and get my comps up. Though, I'm about 20x less likely to go due to the parking fees.
Best bang for the buck burger in Vegas for me is Fat Choy, at the luxurious Eureka resort hotel. It's also a cool little restaurant.
I have given up. I have decided that I am just going to be a fat ass the rest of my life. I just can't do it. I have tried 200 times and I always fail. I have tried the diet route and lifestyle change route and I just cant do it. Skinny people just dont understand how hard it is. Sigh
Quote: GWAEJQ great job, I am jealous.
I have given up. I have decided that I am just going to be a fat ass the rest of my life. I just can't do it. I have tried 200 times and I always fail. I have tried the diet route and lifestyle change route and I just cant do it. Skinny people just dont understand how hard it is. Sigh
Don't give up yet. You just aren't ready. You will know when you are.
Quote: NathanMe too. I also thought that Five Guys wasn't all that great. And it was kind of expensive. Roughly $ 11 for a burger, fries, and a coke? No, just no. I can go to Steak And Shake and get a burger, coke, fries and a shake for roughly $11 and that's the regular menu.
Sometimes I think it depends on what you're use to. I've tried more expensive chocolate bars, but don't like the taste of many of them. A Hershey bar tastes fine to me and usually costs 3x less.. Although probably some of these same expensive chocolates taste fine as part of small fancy chocolate candy when they are used more sparingly in thin layers.
And by god, Hershey chocolate syrup is what my mom put on ice cream, and I don't know if it's dyed cow bile, but it always tasted good to me on ice cream and still does.
Of course I have had some pretty good fancy restaurant desserts, but price wise you pay much more for them too.
Quote: billryanDon't give up yet. You just aren't ready. You will know when you are.
I was ready 2 years ago and did great. I dropped close to 40. I felt better, thought I looked better, fit into amusement park rides better. Then I got back into pop and 30 of it came back. Now I can't get back on it as much as I want to do. It actually makes me sad when I drink a pepsi, but yet I still can't stop drinking it. wtf
Quote: billryanDon't give up yet. You just aren't ready. You will know when you are.
Unfortunately a person typically experiences a major health issue that prompts the change in lifestyle.
Quote: GWAEJQ great job, I am jealous.
I have given up. I have decided that I am just going to be a fat ass the rest of my life. I just can't do it. I have tried 200 times and I always fail. I have tried the diet route and lifestyle change route and I just cant do it. Skinny people just dont understand how hard it is. Sigh
You're married or something, right? Perhaps a good way to go about it would be to work out with your wife (or your side-chick, if you roll that way). It's probably easier to be motivated to do stuff if you do it with someone else and you don't go at it alone.
I only returned to use the $15 gift certificate they sent me, after I complained about the incident.
Quote: RSYou're married or something, right? Perhaps a good way to go about it would be to work out with your wife (or your side-chick, if you roll that way). It's probably easier to be motivated to do stuff if you do it with someone else and you don't go at it alone.
well she is overweight and not particularly concerned about it so not much help there.
One tough thing for us poor folk is buying healthy food. It gets quite expensive to eat well for a family of four. Right now we are spending about 250 a month on food. When I tried eating healthy that jumped up to over 400 a month. We just cant swing that right now. Maybe in the near future but not right now.
Quote: RS(or your side-chick, if you roll that way).
Side-chick? Where is that slang for a girlfriend on the side? which you give money to to keep her mouth shut and not lay around?
Quote: GWAEwell she is overweight and not particularly concerned about it so not much help there.
One tough thing for us poor folk is buying healthy food. It gets quite expensive to eat well for a family of four. Right now we are spending about 250 a month on food. When I tried eating healthy that jumped up to over 400 a month. We just cant swing that right now. Maybe in the near future but not right now.
Sorry to be harsh, but what could you POSSIBLY be spending that $150 a month on that is more important than the lifelong health of your children? You are smart enough to realize that the patterns you are establishing for them will last a lifetime. If they learn that eating a cod filet broiled instead of a fishstick fried..... a lettuce salad instead of potato salad..... brown rice instead of white rice...... at a young age it will be natural for them the rest of their lives...
Quote: GWAEwell she is overweight and not particularly concerned about it so not much help there.
One tough thing for us poor folk is buying healthy food. It gets quite expensive to eat well for a family of four. Right now we are spending about 250 a month on food. When I tried eating healthy that jumped up to over 400 a month. We just cant swing that right now. Maybe in the near future but not right now.
I'm getting mixed messages here. On one hand you point the finger at the cost of eating healthy as a major factor in your weight issue but you've also said that
Quote: GWAEThen I got back into pop and 30 of it came back. Now I can't get back on it as much as I want to do. It actually makes me sad when I drink a pepsi, but yet I still can't stop drinking it. wtf
Drinking water costs nothing so if you just cut back on the Pepsi you save on both calories and money. That takes some willpower but you've done it before.
Quote: GWAE
One tough thing for us poor folk is buying healthy food. It gets quite expensive to eat well for a family of four. Right now we are spending about 250 a month on food. When I tried eating healthy that jumped up to over 400 a month.
Do you live in or near a moderate to large size city or in the middle of nowhere?
Unless you live in some kind of food desert, eating healthy is cheaper than junk food.
Rice, beans, chicken thighs, oatmeal, common fruits and vegetables (carrots, broccoli, potatoes, apples, oranges, bananas, etc.)... all that stuff is super cheap. Eggs, milk, natural peanut butter.... more foods that are also inexpensive and healthy.
As challenges go, it wasn't so bad.
Quote: billryanNot too long ago, some friends and I took the Food Stamp challenge. I forget all the details but we had about $50 a week to spend on food......
As challenges go, it wasn't so bad.
Yeah, $50 a week for one person? I could eat like a king on that. That buys a ton of good, clean, healthy food.
Quote: SOOPOOSorry to be harsh, but what could you POSSIBLY be spending that $150 a month on that is more important than the lifelong health of your children? You are smart enough to realize that the patterns you are establishing for them will last a lifetime. If they learn that eating a cod filet broiled instead of a fishstick fried..... a lettuce salad instead of potato salad..... brown rice instead of white rice...... at a young age it will be natural for them the rest of their lives...
We are a family of 4 living on my very modest income so the 150 a month is not put anywhere. It is not available. Hopefully that changes in the next 12 months. Business is going well. Investors get their money back first which we are on track to do by the end of the year. Hoping to actually get a dividend check April 1st. We are doing them quarterly.
In all honesty we dont actually eat that poorly. And we are hypocrites were we dont allow them any pop. Dinner tonight was grilled chicken, mac and cheese, and broccoli.
Quote: TumblingBonesI'm getting mixed messages here. On one hand you point the finger at the cost of eating healthy as a major factor in your weight issue but you've also said that
Drinking water costs nothing so if you just cut back on the Pepsi you save on both calories and money. That takes some willpower but you've done it before.
Touche... yes you are right. I waste about $20 a month on Pepsi. I need to cut that but that is where I am struggling. I think if I could get past that then I would be fine.
I can understand not caring much about your appearance but not not caring much about the myriad health issues. More than just lights out from a coronary, which wouldn't be so bad. Amputated limbs. Exploded knees. Brain damage. Alzheimer's. Someone having to bathe you and help you use the bathroom. Perhaps a loved one.
Quote: SOOPOOSorry to be harsh, but what could you POSSIBLY be spending that $150 a month on that is more important than the lifelong health of your children? You are smart enough to realize that the patterns you are establishing for them will last a lifetime. If they learn that eating a cod filet broiled instead of a fishstick fried..... a lettuce salad instead of potato salad..... brown rice instead of white rice...... at a young age it will be natural for them the rest of their lives...
Interestingly I recently watched a YouTube vid arguing that the whole grain thing was not very well substantated and that white rice is better for you than brown. The more specific you get with all this stuff, the less certain it becomes. But of course, your point stands.
Quote: GWAEAnd we are hypocrites were we dont allow them any pop.
$$$Platinum advice: it's so much easier to never start a habit, than to kill a long term one. Don't feel guilty.
And you probably know that yourself.
Starbucks? Perfect example. Its so easy to do an ersatz recipe from scratch for anything at Starbucks, but many people drive seven miles to Starbucks on AutoPIlot and wake up as they drink it.
Thirty seconds zapping something in the microwave sure beats twenty minutes of making rice, be it yellow, brown or white.
