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August 31st, 2021 at 10:39:04 AM permalink
I've been playing Spanish 21 on the demo version of Casino Verite where all 5's turn into 6's, so I can't hit a 16 expecting a 5 for a 21. I was playing with a $500 buy-in and my minimum bet would be $30 so if a suited triple 7's against a dealer 7 shows up, I don't know if I'll win $5,000 on this game, but at a real table I would. I'm racking up huge amounts of player error totals for playing Spanish 21 strategy on a BJ game. I really like that I win with a 5 card hand that doesn't bust, or I win on a 21 even when the dealer has a BJ but checks the card after I have played my hand already.
I started this session at around $14,500 and won to over $18K in 103 hands. I just invented this betting strategy I'm using just before I started playing today, and I won't share it. But I will show the results from the screenshots below. I finally had a lucky break, and this is what it looks like when that happens.

Trying to crop to the charts. Max size of around 800 x 600,




Resampling from HD to 800 x 450 on my PC just made it blurrier, so I'll upload the original HD
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August 31st, 2021 at 12:59:06 PM permalink
All 5's turn into 6's? So, essentially the shoe has no 5's and 2x the quantity of 6's?

Is this just a way to make the demo version un-usable?

LOL, it might be an interesting game variant, particularly for SP21.
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August 31st, 2021 at 1:21:25 PM permalink
I think the real help would be springing $100 or whatever to pay for the software, but if I can win the game without that problem, I'm making progress. I started off with a $1,000 bankroll and I haven't looked back after 13K+ hands. I didn't know that Basic Strategy for the (5->6) even existed. What would the charts look like?
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August 31st, 2021 at 1:34:39 PM permalink
Basic Strategy for SP21(5->6) doesn't exist, as far as I know, but some of us have the capabilities to generate it.

My post above originally asked if you wanted Sp21 (5->6) basic strategy but I amended it after I realized that the game you are playing may just be an artifact of your use of a demo copy of commercial software.

I can help you if you want help with strategy, but I'm assuming that 5->6 is just a designer artifact of the demo software to allow you to familiarize yourself with the CSV package without making it useful for analyzing BJ.

As I said above, removing all 5s from the shoe and replacing them with 6s would be an interesting variant of Sp21 (and perhaps BJ.) It may even be a game that hasn't already been invented by MrCasinoGames
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August 31st, 2021 at 3:27:25 PM permalink
The software company wants their money, and kewlJ recommended the software to me. Since I don't take card counting seriously enough to warrant a backoff, I don't play the game like a card counter would. If I paid for the software, that 5's to 6's glitch would disappear.
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September 16th, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM permalink
So I played some Video Poker on the Wiz's Site. I haven't played VP in so long, I really don't know best strategy anymore, but I'd keep a low pair and a high card and many times get 2 pair out of it. In the link below is some screenshots I posted in a thread because I just randomly decided to play.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/advice/36441-video-poker-1-coin-or-5-coin-bets/#post823812
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November 21st, 2021 at 10:21:59 PM permalink
I spent a couple hours playing Double Double Bonus VP on the Wiz's site. I got one 4 of a kind. Then the machine went cold and I quit with a loss of 500 credits.
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December 3rd, 2021 at 2:24:11 AM permalink
I got to about 35 minutes into watching this UTH player buy-in for $2K and win it up to near $10K and I thought to myself, I don't really like this game, how is he getting lucky? MS Stud is my game. Well here's the video to watch his good luck.
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I went to the Wizard's site and played for a couple hours of MS Stud at breakneck speed with the Wiz's error correction on so I don't get rowdy breaking the strategy.
I started with $50K, as that machine does, I can't set it. I played $100 ante the whole time. I had one big win when I was already down $15K.

I won $10K on a Full House! Yippee! Well, that was the last of it.
I lost down to $10K!

If I won 4 of a kind with a $1,000 bet, I'd win that $40K back, but it's too late, the session is over.
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December 26th, 2021 at 12:52:48 AM permalink
I started a new craps system/strategy the other day. I'd bet $300 on the Pass Line and start with 1X Odds. If I win the point, I'd bump it up to 1.5X Odds for the next two wins, then go to 2X Odds. After that I'd progress to 3X, 4X, 6X, 8X, and 10X Odds. I never got near 9 in a row wins during this session on the graph below, but on WinCraps it can happen, but much more often than on a real dice table because I can throw the dice every 3 seconds by mouse click on the screen here. My calculations say I could win near $20K on a 9 in a row winning streak with a $300 base bet, or around 66 Pass Line bets if the 5 & 9 are hitting on average. But 5 out of 6 PL odds points never get past 2 wins in a row. I started this session at $96K and won up to $112K for a $16K win, but the bankroll chart only shows the last 524 rolls with a $12,840 win.




The bad luck on my next session courtesy of WinCraps's "screw me at all costs" algorithm has me wondering what a buy-in should be or if I should just bet Don't Pass all the time. I tried the same strategy as above and lost over $20K in 524 rolls.


I reversed my system/strategy to the Don't Pass. I had my odds bet stacks in half odds amounts so I click twice to get single odds, thrice for 1.5X odds, four times for 2X Odds, 6 times for 3X Odds, 8 times for 4X Odds, 12 times for 6X Odds, 16 times for 8X Odds, and 20 times for 10X Odds. With a $300 PL, those half odds amounts would be $180 on the 6, 8, then $225 on the 5, 9, then $300 on the 4, 10. Now wouldn't you know it, a hot hand came up as soon as I switched to the dark side and brought me down below $90K. I almost recovered a bit with a 4X Odds win a bit later. But I was just getting whiplashed by raising my odds and not winning, and also the constant streams of Come-out 7's that negated whatever wins I just made. If a shooter had already made a point, I was stuck at 1X Odds. If a series of shooters don't make their points, then I start winning on the higher odds bets. Finally, at the end of this chart below, I hit 10X odds on the 10, so I had $6,300 on the line and I won it. I haven't decided if I should reduce my bets or keep running at 10X odds until I lose, but I have a lot of ground to make up to get from $95K to $112K. The last 100 rolls show I won $13K on that winning streak, from $82K to $95K, with a bunch of Come-out 7's knocking down my total wins.


WinCraps is having none of my staying ahead. I was $300K+ behind and raised my bets to $18K on the PL + Odds + 1 PB ($54K total, then add a progression) and I won back to +$177K ($77K ahead). Well, will the machine let me win a little more? I could get a couple more $100K at this rate. The answer was absolutely not! I lost $1,188,000 on the next 172 rolls, which is about 66 PL bets of $18K, while I was using my odds progression and leaving the PL the same.


Wow! That being 66 PL bets behind was suspicious. I kept playing and pressing my odds and that seemed to give me the bumps I needed to come back from over a million behind and put me to over $500K ahead. The next chart shows I won from -$1,103,975 to +$606,925 for a difference of +$1,710,900 over 524 rolls. I was still betting $18K on the PL with an odds progression and either the PB 6 or 8 for $18K with a progression. At the end I started maxing out the PB 8 at $180K at 9 in a row. I hit a high of $831,925, but when I sevened-out, the chips on the table were lost and I ended up at $606,925, so I had $225K of bets on the table ($18K PL + $27K odds too).


I got an update on my comps, which would be grossly affected by today's play.
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December 27th, 2021 at 4:14:03 PM permalink
The chart below is after I switched from PL & 1 Come with Progressive Odds that was losing in reverse so bad I had to go to the darkside. The last 400 rolls I lost $1818.
I was betting $40 Don't Pass (& 1 Don't Come, replaced on a loss) with $48 odds on the 6, 8, $60 Odds on the 5, 9, and $80 Odds on the 4, 10. But when my balance got above around $582,400 I'd try to change my odds to $72, $90, $120 so they'd pay $60. WinCraps didn't like that and kept bringing me under that amount. I felt I could pull away because I'd win an extra $20 on point 7-outs. Looking at my betting chart, I should have increased my odds so they'd pay $80 instead of $60 so if I win both bets with odds they'd pay a total win of $240. I could have pressed to $60 DP + Odds pay $60, or stayed at $40 DC + Odds pay $80. But I was stuck trying to win $40 + $40 Odds times 2 and basically spinning my wheels. I'd lose $1,000 then win it back shortly with a bunch of point 7-outs.
Occasionally, the hot shooter mode brings my Don't side betting to a severe downswing and that's where I'm ending on this chart.
I'm trying to break up my newfound winnings in the post above into $10K sessions. But I'm really disappointed in the PL + 1 Come action that was just cursed and I'm losing my 2nd $10K session with it since switching to the Don'ts didn't bring me back up either.

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January 3rd, 2022 at 10:13:28 AM permalink
I'm playing Blackjack on my Roku 3. I get $500 a day and the minimum bet is $5. I start out betting $60, and reduce my bets to $40 or $30 depending on certain chip balances; and raise them to $90, $120, $180, and more depending on certain chip balances. In previous sessions, I've lost $2,000 (that's what they started me off at but have restricted me to $500/day since I lost that) and I played four $500 sessions and lost them all pretty quick on a 6 deck shoe in 291 hands with $15,050 total bet for an 86.71% rate of return.

Now they want me to buy extra coins: $500 for 99 cents; $1,000 for $1.99; $2,000 for $2.99; $5,000 for $3.99; or $10,000 for $4.99.

My next $500 losing session on a different day was on a single deck with 331 hands with $12,175 total bet, for a 95.89% rate of return.
My next $500 losing session was today on a double deck, that I played for, (idk, 45 minutes?), was 639 hands with a total bet of $45,040, or a 98.89% rate of return.

I hit a high of $2,000+ and raised my bets to $180, but the backsliding occurred and I never recovered. It is pretty nifty that I came back from under $100 to over $1,000 a few times with some sustained winning streaks, but what the machine gives, the machine will take away. I would say the game has poor rules and it is not a table game to play, but as a slot machine it might do OK to waste time at for lower stakes.

I've got to learn to cash-out my $500, or $1500 wins early before they get whittled away by how long this session is going. Every time I change my bets, I'm losing some eventually and that adds up to more than $500 pretty quick. But I do hope to turn $500 into $4,000 by my chart, so where's the top?

I've played 1973 hands with a total bet of $92,580 and a loss of $3,000 for a 96.76% rate of return. This game is better than 6:5 BJ so I shouldn't expect the comps to be as high as all that. But if I had a 1% game that'd be around a $900 expected loss times 30% for $270 in comps. But if that were 50 hands an hour, it'd be around 40 hours, and who knows how they would track my bets but my first bet of $60 times 10 4-hour blocks would be $600 in comps. My real average bet is just north of $45, but there's no real way to figure that will be constant.

There's 712 hands with $20,315 that aren't in the shoe breakdown somehow and there is a Reset Statistics button, so maybe I played a session months ago, forgot about it, and the shoe numbers were deleted either by time or by button. Maybe I quit at $2,000 in my first session anyway so there was no loss.
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January 5th, 2022 at 11:14:59 AM permalink
My next session of Roku 3 BJ was a WIN! I got from $500 to $4,060 in 250 hands totaling $25,070 in bets. So I'm ahead $560 in total now. I've had $3,500 given to me by the fake money gods already. But as my bankroll got bigger, the table minimum crept up. Over maybe $1,000 it went from $5 to $10; and over $2,000 it went from $10 to $25. Since my minimum bet is $30, it's not a problem, but if my BR gets to over $5,000, I may be facing a $50 minimum and I'll have to play $1,000 sessions with a $60 minimum bet.
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January 8th, 2022 at 10:57:25 PM permalink
Well, the table limits went to $100-$5,000 when I hit just over a $5,000 balance on the Roku 3 BJ game. I ramped it up to $7.5K balance on 2 separate days, but then the game seemed to take advantage of the table minimum and I went on massive losing streaks. I'm winning one hand for every 5 or 6 it seemed and this game did not hesitate to send my BR on a tumble down a steep hill, many times. I even changed my strategy to only raise my bets after 2 wins in a row, or on a double down/split win, but this game 9 out of 10 times wouldn't get me past another win at the next bet level. The few times I did get past, I'd get my BR back up, but then after that streak was done, a hard losing streak settled back in.

After 4771 hands, I'm down $4,500 (I lost it all until I check in another day for a new $500), on a total bet of $394,520, or a 98.86% rate of return.

I've got a new chart to play this game by next time, but as I said, this game won't hesitate to put me 30-60+ hands behind as fast as possible. If it went the other way, I might turn $2K into $40K or more.
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:24:15 AM permalink
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Well, the table limits went to $100-$5,000 when I hit just over a $5,000 balance on the Roku 3 BJ game. I ramped it up to $7.5K balance on 2 separate days, but then the game seemed to take advantage of the table minimum and I went on massive losing streaks. I'm winning one hand for every 5 or 6 it seemed and this game did not hesitate to send my BR on a tumble down a steep hill, many times. I even changed my strategy to only raise my bets after 2 wins in a row, or on a double down/split win, but this game 9 out of 10 times wouldn't get me past another win at the next bet level. The few times I did get past, I'd get my BR back up, but then after that streak was done, a hard losing streak settled back in.

After 4771 hands, I'm down $4,500 (I lost it all until I check in another day for a new $500), on a total bet of $394,520, or a 98.86% rate of return.

I've got a new chart to play this game by next time, but as I said, this game won't hesitate to put me 30-60+ hands behind as fast as possible. If it went the other way, I might turn $2K into $40K or more.
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So you are saying that that software is not randomly shuffling the cards and then dealing them from the front of the virtual shoe and then letting hands form exactly as they would in a fair game of blackjack. You seem to assert that an algorithm decides when you will lose and makes up hands to make that so. Whatever reason would they have to complicate the software in that way?
It's not as if you are staking real money.
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January 9th, 2022 at 10:00:59 AM permalink
That's the observation. I don't have real B & M casino BJ experience to compare it to, and it'd be possible to go to another table after 5 losses as most table huggers do when there's enough tables open.
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January 15th, 2022 at 11:57:50 PM permalink
Playing another session of Roku 3 BJ and I lost down to $7.50, I bet $5 and got a BJ.
Then I bet $15 and won.
Then I bet $30 and won,
Then I bet $60 and won,
Then I bet $120 and won,
Then I bet $240 and won, and I'm back up to $480.

The table maximum is $500 so I could bet $480 and get to $960. If I bet small so I get to $505 then bet $500, I'll get to $1005 and the table maximum goes to $1,000 then I can bet $1,000 and get to $2,005. Then the table maximum goes to $2,000 and I can bet that and get to $4,005. If I bet another $1,000 and get to $5,005, then the table maximum goes to $5,000 and I can bet that and get to $10,005.

I lowered my bets to $30/$45 and lost the entire $480 and in no time flat. But the next hand was a winner so I could have gotten to $960 before losing it all.
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January 17th, 2022 at 10:40:49 PM permalink
Another terrible day on the Roku 3 BJ app. It's letting me double down for the 4th card if I have a 9, 10, or 11, which I've only seen in Spanish 21. Maybe I don't pay enough attention but did it offer to let me DD on a 12 too? idk. I gave up on another lost day and went to my Hoyle BJ game.

I started Hoyle with around $310K and planned to play a $10K session of a 25 bet buy-in. I was gonna try my new progressions.
3 (2X), 4 (2X), 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20X on winners in a row; and winning a DD or both splits, I would advance to the next spot to the right on the progression. The first two bets are the same, the next two bets are increased but the same, then I start increasing on each win after that. The reason for the first two bets being the same is because of table chop and there's almost nothing but 'chop' in BJ. The reason for the 2nd 2 bets being the same is for the progression I was originally gonna use if I didn't repeat the 1st bet. If I get to the last bet in the progression, I stay at that bet until a loss; pushes are not a loss, surrenders are. If I'm high up in the progression, I'll probably take even money with a BJ against an Ace so I can advance with the progression still.

I don't want to ruin a lot of hard work I've done on this over the past few weeks by revealing my charts, so I'll give the session results.

I lost the $10K pretty quickly. I started a new session and won the $10K back pretty quickly with actual winning hands this time, instead of 25 losers. I was so far ahead after the end of one progression when I lost, I was at around $315K, so I reset my starting session by virtually pocketing an extra $10K back and lowering my bets like I was at $15K instead of $25K. I kept winning and raising my bets and I was above $340K with a base bet of $3K (which means my top bet at the time would be $20K in the progression, but I'm at the Unlimited table). Then my luck turned when I didn't settle for 4 x $10K sessions worth 4 x 25 bet buy-ins, and I went on a losing streak of over 45 hands over time and I was back at $300K. I started a new $10K session, same as before, and won back to $311K with winner hands that weren't coming before I changed my bet amounts, and I quit.

On a previous day I turned $210K into $310K using this same system/strategy on a $10K buy-in.
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January 19th, 2022 at 12:45:37 AM permalink
I played a session of Casino Verite BJ in demo mode (still). Started with a $1K session at $17K, won up to $18K, but lost it all back to $16K. My bets were 1/10th of what the $10K sessions were in the above post.
From the graph below, I started off with a losing streak, recovered to even, then went on a couple of very short up/down streaks, then resumed the regularly scheduled losing streak where I wasn't even losing more than 5%. This was over 411 hands, which at a 50 hands per hour table would be an 8 hour day. I started off with a near 25 bet buy-in, lost about 10 hands, won 20 hands back, then lost 35 hands to finish the session.

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January 19th, 2022 at 10:39:35 PM permalink
I continued my session because I forgot to start a new one and I was on a massive losing streak at the start just like last time. I dropped to a $500+ loss right off the bat again. I clawed back from -$1600 to even and I'm back at $17K with 607 hands played (196 hands more today).
I'm getting tired after driving 2 hours to recharge my dead car battery.
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January 20th, 2022 at 6:27:49 PM permalink
I continued the session and peaked at over $1,000 ahead, but I've fallen back to even at hand 821 (played another 214 hands, 4 hours worth so worth a comp of $90+).
821 hands/50 hands per hr = 16+ hrs / 4 hours = 4 sessions x $90 initial bet = $360 comps total.
If I play 2,000 hands and have a 0.5% HA against me: $90 initial bet x 2000 hands = $180,000 total bet x 0.5% = $900 loss to HA. So if after 2,000 hands, I should just take a $1,000 win for a new session 25 bet buy-in. Alternatively, 40 hours of play equals 10 x 4 hour sessions times $90 initial bet = $900 in comps.


Well, I'm up 20 hands ahead at $20K and $3K ahead for the session at 1187 hands played. I was down to my last $200 of the session and lucked a come-back.

Weirdest hand that took me down to -$1,000 on a new session, but the dealer busted.
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January 22nd, 2022 at 6:40:16 PM permalink
Another $500 buy-in on the Roku 3 BJ game. I've lost count of how much in free money I've gotten, maybe I can still figure it out.
I was playing 6-deck shoe and I started hitting more winners in a row after some time of getting nothing like that, and they just kept coming. Since I was increasing my bets on progressions, I soon found myself at $5,000 where the table minimums change to $100 and I flipped my chart. I soon found myself at over $10K but the table minimums and maximums didn't budge. I kept playing and fell to $3K, took a 2 minute break and had an incredible run back to over $10K! I've got to break this up somehow so I've got more than 40 bets left to play, If I get to $12K I could make 3 x $4K sessions of 25 bet buy-ins for a 75 bet buffer to the bottom.

Stats:
Current Bankroll: $10,367.50

Total Hands: 7,760
Total Bet: $690,465
Total Won: $1,867.50 (I've got a 0.27% win rate going on, and probably $1K - $2K of comps)

Single Deck:
Hands: 331
Total Bet: $12,175
Total Won: -$500

Double Deck:
Hands: 4181
Total Bet: $391,245
Total Won: -$2,997.50

6 Deck Shoe:
Hands: 2536
Total Bet: $266,730
Total Won: $5,365

If I count the difference between my current bankroll and the total won, I'd be $8,500 in free play money, but I've got no way to pay it back. Eventually, if I get far enough ahead, the $500 a day will be meaningless.

PS: I fell back to $8.5K and rebounded to $14K, then fell back to $12K (with the $4K session buy-ins). It's 10pm, maybe I'll take a break.
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January 22nd, 2022 at 7:15:50 PM permalink
I used to have this game, but the CD got scratched and wouldn't play anymore and it wouldn't install past a certain OS, maybe it was Vista. I want to get back to this game but what would it take to see an updated version on a PS5?
Here's a walkthrough of the game by a YouTuber. I did actually find the hotel room key when I played it long ago. Maybe click on your pocket? idk.

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January 22nd, 2022 at 9:35:06 PM permalink
In 18 minutes I hit a winning streak that took me from $22K to $31K. I caught up with the EV if I was card counting, in 18 minutes.
That's 18,797 hands played. $30,125 won, & $30,075 EV
Maybe I'll move to a $50-$10K table next with a $2K session buy-in; previously on a $25-$3K table with $1K session buy-ins. I need my $5 chips, so I'll make it $25-$10K
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January 26th, 2022 at 3:27:25 AM permalink
I'm back on the Casino Verite Blackjack table after changing the table to $25-$10K.
I started the session with a $2K buy-in at $32K, and I won $2K by hand #266 and I reset my betting as a new $2K buy-in ($60 minimum bets).
By hand #588 I reached +$18K or $50K,
but a short steep losing streak brought me down to $36K, so I reset my betting with another $2K win by hand #626.
By hand #677, I lost that $2K session, and started another one. I was scraping along the bottom near $32K - $34K for quite awhile.
When I got to hand #1401, I had hit $40K and reset the session with a $4K buy-in ($120 minimum bets),
and by hand #1493 I won another $4K and reset the buy-in to $4K again, so my floor would be $40K.
By hand #1647, I only had about 4 x $120 bets left in that session.
By hand #1885, I was back above $44K.
By hand #1987 I was back above $50K, but it wouldn't be until hand #2147 that I'd stay above $50K.
By hand #2190 I broke $60K, and hand #2240 when I broke $70K, and hand #2260 when I broke $80K.
I quit at hand #2263 with $85K.
My $4K to $40K session has been completed.

I broke the Standard Deviation Meter at over +3 SD. I changed the units from 10 to 20 when I went from a $1K buy-in to a $2K buy-in. I changed the units again to 40 when I went to a $4K buy-in. So that $1.60 I'm supposed to win every time on a $10 unit if I was counting, it'd be $3.20 for a $20 unit, and $6.40 for a $40 unit. My minimum bets are $30 for a $1K buy-in, $60 for a $2K buy-in, and $120 for a $4K buy-in. I just use the units for a mouse click shortcut when setting some bets, starting at 3 units. Changing the units didn't change the calculation any, so I can still multiply the number of hands by 1.6 and get the EV for counters.

I also rolled the Player/Dealer error meter at $10,000. I did have a few hands cancelled out on me and I lost these bets. I don't know if the software was burping or whether that's how the game taps me on the shoulder.

My highest bets near the end were a progression starting with $2.4K. If I was at a $3K table, I could just skip the progression on-a-win, or truncate it at max bet.



I had a $3K bet up to split 4 ways, 2 pushed, and 2 won. When I drag those chips back to my stack, I'll have over $66.5K before my next bet. I hit $85K before that timer hit 3 hours. But it wasn't my only time sitting down for this session.
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January 26th, 2022 at 10:59:02 PM permalink
Back to the Roku 3 BJ. I've played 9,633 hands with a total bet of $1,328,915 and lost $9,497.50 and I'm left with $2.50. So that $9,500 in free play money is gone. I started today's play with a couple of $4K sessions betting like in the post above. I fell to my last $1K in the first session then won wildly up to a balance of $12K. I kept going instead of taking the $4K win. I got up to around $18K and was just pushing how far I could go. Then I lost 40+ hands and wound up at $4K to start my next session. The bad luck did not stop. I'm at $2.50.

I'm really starting to wonder if this is a valid game or are real tables less horrible.
Because the table minimum is $100 when I get above $5K, I'm not free to stick to $1K sessions when I get as high as $18K.
I don't know if there's any point in continuing on with this game when I'm having better luck on others.
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January 28th, 2022 at 10:05:23 PM permalink
I won 15 more hands and broke $100K.
Maybe I'll make the next 2 sessions $10K buy-ins.


I won well above $110K, then fell back to $110K, so I reset the $10K buy-in at hand #138.
I had some winning streaks that took me up to $179K at hand #306; but by hand #382 I was back at $120K so I quit.
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January 31st, 2022 at 12:13:09 AM permalink
Back to the Roku 3 BJ. My computer is busy getting a Windows Update and it's taking hours and hours, so I thought I'd play on my TV some more. I can't help it.
I turned $500 into $3K by winning about 25 hands ahead. Then I broke it down into a $1,000 session with a 25 bet buy-in, which I lost. Then two $500 sessions with 15 bet buy-ins, which I lost. Then another $1,000 buy-in, which lost. So that's 25 hands up then 80 hands down. I played about 1,000 hands in 100 minutes, but I was up a few hundred dollars at the time.

Totals so far:
11,513 hands
$1,450,950 total bet
-$11,000 total won
or a 99.242% rate of return

My computer wants to restart, so I'd better hit Send.
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February 2nd, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM permalink
Playing Roku 3 BJ again. I lost down to my last $30 bet on today's $500 buy-in, then won to over $10K! When I settled around $9K, I thought I'd break up the session into a $4K buy-in and 5 $1K buy-ins. I should have meant when I get to $8K I'd do that because the table minimum will make that $1K session starting at $5K not work; but it's easier to do the calculations with a $5K floor than a $4K floor, and just bet $100 a hand while I fall from $5K to $4K then start another $1K session as a 25 bet buy-in.
So I was almost 45 hands ahead, then broke up the sessions for higher limit play with a $4K 25 bet buy-in which I lost, a 10 bet $100/hand buy-in that I lost, and a $1K 25 bet buy-in that I lost. So that's 25 hands down, then 60 hands up, then 60 hands down, and I'm at $3K with 3 x $1K 25 bet sessions left.
I get the feeling this game acts like a slot machine and tries to go on endless losing streaks so the Return Percentage doesn't get too positive. God forbid I make up the $11.5K I'm behind then double that!
Today's stats:
873 hands today / 12,966 total
Total Bet: $152,415 today / $1,641,370 total
Total Won: $2,507.50 today / -$8,992.50 total
Return Percentage: 101.65 % today / 99.45% total
Average Bet: $174.59 today / $126.59 total
Total Loss / Average Bet (total) : 71 hands down
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February 11th, 2022 at 9:29:10 PM permalink
Just had a couple of Roku 3 BJ sessions that were noteworthy losers, as in near 0% payback rates. But I did want to focus on one where I went from around $100 to over $8,000, and lost it all back again quickly. That was like an elevator ride to the near top floor, then somebody cut the elevator cable.
Cumulative Stats as of tonight:
16,073 total hands played
-$16,000 total won (and $0 balance left)
$1,973,200 total bet for a 99.189% return

Dealer hits on a soft 17.
Split up to 4 hands.
Double down after 3rd card allowed, and one card drawn on double down, but no redoubling.
Double down after splitting allowed.

Highest balance was over $18K, so I was ahead at one point, but this machine seems to think an overall return above 100% shouldn't be tolerated for long.
The game rarely lets me get far on a winning streak for my progressions, but when it does, I win big, then comes the ever harder losing streak.
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February 12th, 2022 at 6:14:50 PM permalink
I continued my Spanish 21 Verite session with a $10K buy-in at $130K (I had won a $10K profit since my last post). I lost down to $122.5K then my luck turned around. My win goal was to get to $229K, and I succeeded in 94 minutes. The table limits were $25 to $10K, but I didn't quite get to a table max bet, I only got to $8K.

I should raise that next time when I decide what my next buy-in will be. With a $40K buy-in to play with, it could be $1K to $200K limits.
But I've got a feeling a severe bad luck streak is about to happen so I may just stick with $10K buy-ins for the moment, but I should raise the max bet to $50K. Argh, it will only let me max bet at $25K using the custom limits feature. That's still good enough to play my $40K buy-in, but my progressions will stop at $25K or less.

It's been 1,074 hands since the start of this session at $100K, so my graphs reflect that below.
I had a lot of different bets between $1K and $6K, so I'm not sure how the chart below figured the totals. But the final profit in the lower right is correct.



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February 15th, 2022 at 11:37:41 PM permalink
I tried to play Spanish 21 Veriite with a $40K buy-in, and the game took me down to my last bet, plus one for a split or double down or something, then it sent me on a winning streak all the way up over $280K. My mistake for not picking that as a stopping point and breaking it up into two $40K buy-ins above a $200K balance. I lost back down to $210K quickly and jumped off that train and called it a $10K buy-in and lowered my bets 75%. I won back up to $220K, and called it two $10K buy-ins. I then lost both for a 50 hand loss on top of the 15 hand loss at the $40K level.

Tonight, I started with $200K, I lose a $10K buy-in after 501 hands,(first pair of charts). Actually, I lost $5K right off the bat, won back to $210K and called it a new session, but I lost that, and lost a second session at $190K.

I started another $10K buy-in at $190K (second pair of charts), then I started to win back and got to $210K (+$20K), and called it a new session with a $10K buy-in. I've been playing for hours and it totaled 867 hands, but I won another $100K, so I'm up to $312K.

The first chart is to show the percentage of hands I was winning at different bet levels when I lost the first $10K tonight.



The second pair of charts shows the percentage of hands I was winning on the winning session, and the graph of my win trajectory. I think double downs, splits, and double downs on splits that total over the max amount in the chart are included on the next to bottom line of this chart. There were plenty of different bets between $1K & $8K, the chart just doesn't show them or figures them oddly, like any bet not on the other lines counts as a >$8K even though it may not be. I certainly did not have 228 bets over $8K, so they must be the extras that don't fit into the upper bet levels shown.
I did have the table limits set to $25 to $25K, but my maximum bet was only $10K.





I've got 31 sessions of 25 bet buy-ins, for a total of 775 bets left. I could change that to over 1500 bets left, but I'd have to lower my buy-ins on the way down. My chart says I should win to $700K before I double my buy-in to $20K.
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March 17th, 2022 at 2:27:46 PM permalink
Odd comeback in Spanish 21:
Dealer gets a 6. I get Ace, 2, so I double my $400 bet to $800; I draw another Ace, so I double to $1,600 and draw a 6. My total is 10 or 20. If I draw one more card, I win a 5 card hand automatically. So I double to $3200, and win! My session balance went from $4,500 to $1,300 on the bets, then back up to $7,700 on the win.

I also got three 6 of spades for 18 on two hands 6 hands apart. If it can happen with 6's, it can happen with 7's.
I don't have the home game set up to pay me different blackjack amounts based on hands with 6-7-8 or 7-7-7, or I would be more ahead.

On a later hand I was betting $900 and got dealt a 7, 2 against a 6, so I doubled and got another 2, then doubled again to $3600 and drew a 10 for 21 and won. I had $11,900, then with bets was down to $8,300, on the win I'm up to $15,500.

I was betting $1,800 and had to split 6's against a 6 and drew an Ace on each one. I doubled on each one and won both. So I had $23,400 then bet $7,200 that put me down to $16,200, then won $14,400 and put me up to $30,600.

I started a huge session over 2700 hands ago and I finally got back to even, so I'll start a new session and put $20K back into the bank and start with $10K. I was up over $60K earlier but what goes up comes down even faster. I'm now at $300,600. I really should try to wrap up these sessions before 2,000 hands are played.

I can't double down against any 10's or Aces because the dealer doesn't check for BJ until after I'm done with the hand. If I did a split I'd lose both hands to a BJ. But, I never have to insure my BJ against an Ace because I've already won. (Dealer hits on soft 17's.)

I'm detecting a glitch in the game where if I double down, don't like the card, so I hit again (instead of redoubling down), on the next hand I only get options to double down or surrender; and the hit & stand & split buttons are locked/missing.
There's a stopwatch in the game that counts how long I'm playing per sitting. The other day it got past 5 hours and after a horrendous play involving splits and double downs and big losses, the stopwatch changed its display to -86,400 seconds and counted down to -86,340 then went straight back to -86,400 and counted down again. It kept doing that. It's either a sign that I've been 86'ed from the casino or time has come to a near complete stop in the twilight zone.


Well, I lost my new $10K session in 401 hands, but at least it wasn't 50 to 150 hands. 8 hands later I won $10K back so I'll put that extra $10K marker back in the paid off section.
125 hands later I was down to $2,300 and I had a double, redouble, redouble hand that took me to -$100, but I won it so I'm back at $4,700.

Wound up with a split hand where dealer had a 4, I split Aces, got a 6 on one & doubled $450 and got a 10 for a 17; the other hand I had A, 3, double to $900, got a 3, double to $1,800, got a 2, double to $3,600, got a 10 for a 19, and the dealer busted. So one hand won $900 & the other won $3,600 for a total of $4,500 on top of the $4,500 bet returned. So my session balance of $6,275 was dragged down to $1,775 on the bets, but I win back $9,000 so I'm at $10,775.

I'm at $15,025 and the dealer had a Queen, I got dealt 3, Ace, drew a couple of Aces, so I had a 4 card 6, so I could double $1,200 and drew a 3, and doubled to $4,800 and drew an Ace, and doubled to $9,600 and drew an 8. The dealer beat me but it didn't matter because I had an automatic winner. My session balance fell to $5,425 on the bets, but I won back $19,200 so I'm up to $24,625! I'll pay off another $10K marker.


I was at $63,625 and betting $4,500 and I got some low cards against a 2. I got 2, Ace, 2, Ace, and I doubled to $9K and drew a 2 so my total was 7, so I doubled again to $18K and drew a 3. I hit the double button again but my hand was over before I knew what happened and the log does not show a final card. I hit the table limit and it would not let me bet $36K so I didn't get the card so I automatically won $18K. So my $18K bet took me down to $45,625 and the $36K win brought me to $81,625.


I was at $78,625 and betting $6,000 and I got some low cards against a 10. I got 2, 3, Ace, 2, then I doubled to $12K and drew a 2 for a total of 10, so I doubled one more time to $24K ($1K under the table max) and drew an 8. The bet dragged me down to $54,625, but the win puts me at $102,625 for the session!


I had to split Aces under the duress of a Dealer Ace that may or may not be a Black Jack. I was playing my progression on a win from $6K bets and in the photo below, I got caught betting $20K on each split. But I won them! Note it was the last hand of the shoe.



I was having whiplash luck betting at my top betting levels but I let it go on to see where it would lead. Remember, this game has no problem losing 75 hands ASAP. But I found a general uptick and doubled my bankroll from $300K to over $600K. I would have quit at $410K and booked a $100K win and start over with another $10K buy-in. Below is a graph of my general win trend, and a summary results chart. Bets >$6K may include bets not listed between $1K and $6K.



My "normal hands" & surrenders are near sure losers! Ouch!!!
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March 18th, 2022 at 8:47:39 AM permalink
Quote: I was at $63,625 and betting $4,500 and I got some low cards against a 2. I got 2, Ace, 2, Ace, and I doubled to $9K and drew a 2 so my total was 7, so I doubled again to $18K and drew a 3. I hit the double button again but my hand was over before I knew what happened and the log does not show a final card. I hit the table limit and it would not let me bet $36K so I didn't get the card so I automatically won $18K. So my $18K bet took me down to $45,625 and the $36K win brought me to $81,625.

Unquote: I was at $63,625 and betting $4,500 and I got some low cards against a 2. I got 2, Ace, 2, Ace, and I doubled to $9K and drew a 2 so my total was 8, so I doubled again to $18K and drew a 3, and my total was 11/21. This game ends my hand automatically if I have a 21. So I did hit the double button again but it didn't go through because I was already at 21, but even if I was at 10/20 the hand would be over because it wouldn't let me bet over the table limit of $25K. So my $18K bet took me down to $45,625 and the $36K win brought me to $81,625.

My local casinos don't allow redoubling from what I've read and I don't know if 5-7 card hands are automatic winners as long as I don't bust. But this is just a very odd way to beat this game and I hope to see it.

Also I can't believe I made 626 bets at $6K and I didn't get anywhere but break even by the end of the session. I was up over 40 times $6K on my high level bets, so my bets over $6K put me ahead (but many of those bets were less than $6K so it's hard to differentiate the two). And why would 50 $400 bets at a 46.00% win rate break even while 626 $6K bets at a 41.85% win rate break even also? If I was over $80K ahead in the session, my base bet was $6K, then there's the progression on a win.
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April 6th, 2022 at 3:17:58 AM permalink
I finally got a winning streak on the Roku 3 BJ game tonight. I had a bankroll of $2,000 (two $1,000 sessions). I lost the first buy-in, then went to the 2nd buy-in and I was down to $300, like usual. But I won to over $11K, so I divvied up the bankroll into two $4K buy-ins and three $1K buy-ins, so I'd have 125 bets left. I lost the $11K down to $7K, and lost the $7K down to just about $3K but then a winning streak kicked in again. I got to over $10K again, then $20K, then $30K, $40K, even $50K! I lost it back to $15K, but then came another winning streak and I topped $50K and went on to $75K, lost to $40K again, but finally won to $100K. At $100K the table limits change from $100-$5K to $500-$10K. I played 2,469 hands for the night. So my next session will be a $20K buy-in, and I'll still have 20 buy-ins for $4K, or 525 bets left.
I was down $29,500 from the free money the game gives me daily ($500/day that I log in). Now I'm in the plus column at $70,605 ahead. Total bet of $4,470,185 over 26,369 hands equals an average bet of just under $170 per hand. I still say this game is totally rigged. I've got a +1.58% return going on right now, instead of the ever present negative return since I was $10K behind.

I would have normally quit at over $40K, but I thought I'd see how far I could take this. It could have ended up back at $0 in a hurry, but the machine relented. I accidently logged out when my bankroll was $30K, so I played 416 hands since then with a session bet of $1,124,800 and a session win of $69,500 and a session time of 1:15:40; so average bet per hand was about $2,700. I was playing my top betting levels for most of the session. I found a photo where I logged out with 2,053 hands and a session bet of $623,315, and a session won of $28.5K and a total time of 3:44:21, so that must have been the other part of tonight's activity. Average bet in that session was just over $300. So together there were 2,469 hands, total bet of $1,748,115, a total session time of 5 hours and 1 second, and an average bet of $708 per hand, and playing a hand on average every 7.29 seconds.

I was coming back from nearly 900 hands behind. I don't know how long 325 hands ahead will last if that kind of bad luck keeps up.
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April 10th, 2022 at 8:24:36 PM permalink
The Roku 3 BJ game continues to wear me down hard. I lost the $20K session in 202 hands so I was down to $80K. I played another 190 hands and lost a $4K session. I played another 216 hands and lost a 2nd $4K session. I played 283 hands and lost $4.5K (after midnite and got a free $500). I played 23 hands and won $2K, so that put me back at $70K. I played 666 hands and won $9,999 to bring me back to $80K; I was up above $90K but I couldn't reach $100K.

Next day: I played 1,101 hands and lost two $4K sessions. By 2,430 hands it was a 3rd session loss; and by 2,889 hands it was a 4th session loss. That's 5 hours and 52 seconds of play with $1.3 million bet and a $16K loss.

Tonight: I played 1,992 hands and lost a $4K session that put me at $60K. By 2,092 hands I lost a 2nd session; and by 3,005 hands I lost a 4th session so down $16K again! I'm now at $48K. That's 4 hours 49 minutes & 49 seconds to bet just about $1.025 million.

I did have a few times where I'm almost on my last bet of the session and I cleared to $10K (or +$6K). But this machine knows my buy-ins too. I got to $4K ahead, and then it went on a long losing streak to end the session. I could have just started a new session right then and there, but the endless losing streaks on this game cannot be the norm anywhere, but I will be proven wrong in the future when these live streamers lose their 25 bet buy-ins in 100 hands or less.

So I'm down 25 + 100 + 100 = 225 bets from $100K (-$52K) in 12.5+ hours of play in 1,580 + 2,889 + 3,005 = 7,474 hands. At a full table, that'd take me 150 hours at 50 hands/hour.
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April 14th, 2022 at 11:03:14 PM permalink
Back to my Spanish 21 on the demo version of Casino Verite:
I was on hand 2132 of the session that got me to $610K. By hand 2401 I was at $710K. Table limits of $25-$25K. $10K mini-session buy-in, which looks like it will be my max buy-in at these table limits, but maybe not.

I'm gonna change the table limits to $500-$25K so that gets rid of my $5 & $25 chips. I made an odd bet so the last 3 digits in my bankroll are either 000, 250, 500 or 750, but then I surrender or get a BJ and that gets messed up anyway. I'm starting with a $40K session buy-in, in hopes of winning to $440K. So I got started at $740K and I hope to get to $1,140,000 sometime.

692 hands later, I lost my $40K session. I was near my last 0-10 hands for way too long here. The graph below shows only two spikes into profit that was quickly taken back.


52 hands later I won the $40K back on a new session, so I'll end this session and start over at $740K.


153 hands later, I lost the $40K again, I'm back at $700K.


171 hands later, I lost another $40K to bring me down to $660K. I almost made it back to $740K early on, but not quite.


90 hands later, I won $80K to get back to $740K.


545 hands later, I'm up $100K at $840K, so I'll start a new $40K session there next time, after I go to bed. The game is being exceptionally cute, but my video card died awhile back so I can't record the gameplay. I've been at this post for 6.5 hours, so that's likely it with a 12 hour limit.
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May 24th, 2022 at 12:08:38 AM permalink
I played on my Spanish 21 game and broke the million dollar bankroll mark. I had a $40K buy-in at $840K. The game started cancelling hands and losing my bets and losing my winning bets near the start and it put me back a bit. Maybe my anti-virus emergency installer was interfering with the program. I slowly gained traction on the upswing. I got to over a million dollars then in the middle of a -$100K losing streak I hit a hand where I doubled and redoubled and wound up with a 12 and redoubled on that and drew a face card and lost $48K and that sent me back to about where I started with my buy-in, so I had to start winning all over again.
About 200 hands later I finished the session as planned, ahead $400K+.



I had a few 6 in a row winning streaks that seem to make up the vast majority of my winnings in this session.


A $16K hand got redoubled to $64K, and I had to clear $128K of chips away after the win.



I got a screenshot at $999,000 & $1,000,000





I tried to bet more than the table max of $25K, I couldn't make it happen. But if I double down, split, or redouble down, more than $25K can be bet.
A $25K bet could be split to 4 hands and doubled down on for a total bet of $200K, and a win of $200K, so $400K of chips need to be swept away to my chip stack.
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May 28th, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM permalink
So I'm posting my totals charts on my BJ/Spanish 21 game (I changed it in the middle to Spanish 21 somewhere and kept it there). I've made the most winnings in the Spanish 21 mode with the doubling & redoubling and 5 card 21's and unders being automatic wins and 6 & 7 & 8 card 21's and unders allowed. My local casinos have no mention of these Spanish 21 rules about redoubling or 5 card wins and the tables are rarely open.
In the charts below, the totals for >$24,000 are to include all bets above $70.
Since there's only a handful of hands above a 9 in a row winning streak, I'll scale back my progressions to 7 or 9 in a row in the future. My current 11 in a row progression could be scaled back to 8 in a row, and sustaining at the maximum bet of the progression past 8 wins until a loss, pushes don't count.
A 6:5 BJ would have cut my profits nearly in half, so stay away from those tables.
Average win rates are just averages, they can be much lower than average a lot of the time during various sessions or bet levels.






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September 15th, 2022 at 5:30:04 AM permalink
I was playing my Hoyle Casino game and finally broke $2.1 million playing various tournament games (again). So I reset the statistics at around $2.1 million for all the games and thought I'd play straight sessions of regular play. I have $100K buy-ins for 25 bets and decided to play Black Jack. I lost 5 sessions in a row and was down to $1.6 million. So my next session would have me bottoming out at $1.5 million. This bad luck streak can't go on forever can it, (yes it can)? The game turned around from constant losing to a bit of a win streak. If I got to $2.6 million, that would have ended my session. But I hit a few longer win streaks at my highest bets and pumped up my balance to almost $3.8 million, so up $2.2 million for the session. With card counter mode, the stats keep track of my negative count, zero count, and positive count winnings. I wasn't counting cards and my winning came late after a few hours of play at high speed, otherwise all the numbers would have been negative. But the negative count won the most, and the positive count lost the most, and the zero count was double the win of the negative count loss. There's really no table limit, so bets of $300K were in play (at 11 wins in a row). My minimum bet was $3K.

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September 26th, 2022 at 11:07:25 PM permalink
I played Black Jack on the Wizard's site for a few hours tonight. I lost three $1,000 sessions, or about 75 bets. My 4th session took me up to near $9,000 a few times, but the bad luck creeps back in and takes me down several thousand fast. Eventually I quit at $1,000 and down $3,000. I could have quit ahead and started over, but there's no resume feature on this game and my mouse batteries died halfway through and had to be replaced without upsetting the screen.
I only get to split one time and that makes for some bad hands. There's a couple orange chips ($1,000's) being returned to my rack in the screenshot.
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January 8th, 2023 at 8:24:39 AM permalink
I just reinstalled Windows 10 on my 11 year old computer because it was taking half an hour just to log in. I put in a newer video card, a GeForce 1030, upgraded from the obsolete GT 710. I bought new RAM because my 8 GB RAM was so bad I couldn't do a backup anymore without RAM errors, so I got 32 GB of RAM and put that in the computer the manufacturer says can only handle 16 GB. Some previous users long ago figured this out, but the manufacturer stands by its word. I bought a 2 TB SSD hard drive, because the one I put in a couple years ago that wasn't SSD may be a problem of old technology. So now I can log in within 3-5 minutes. I was installing some of my ancient casino games. They require compatibility mode when I install them and I have to save that setting. So is it gonna be Windows Vista or Windows XP?

So the game I'm playing today is called Gold Rush. It gave me $10,000 to start so I played $1,000 sessions of different games. I kept losing, badly. Each game starts out with earning 1,000 Reputation Points and it's based on winning so many times. Then when I get to the required number of points, it will let me play a Trial game one on one. The trial game may have some goal like winning 5 Black Jacks or making all 6 points on the craps table (and that might take 500 rolls!). Once I complete the trial, I'm invited to the invitational tournament. But the buy-ins for those tournaments are exorbitant compared to my $1,000 sessions, it just takes me back to the trial over and over again. So I have to leave that loop and unlock another game, like Roulette or UTH or Let It Ride.

For UTH, I was given advice to "bet" if I have an Ace in the hole for the first round (4X bet), "check" if I don't have 2 pair by the 2nd round (2X bet), and to "fold" if I don't have 2 pair or better with one or two cards in my hand by the third round (1X bet). I was betting $30 on the ante and the blind and $10 on the trips and $30, $60, or $120 on the Play button.

For Let It Ride, I was betting $15 x 3 with $1 on the button for a potential $30K Royal Flush win on that $1 bet. Now that may get me into one of those invitational tournaments! I raised my bets to $30 x 3 but no cards were coming my way. I think I was winning 15 hands out of 100 or something. A pair of 10's? OMG!

For Roulette, the special task was to win two times on the 0-00, so I put down a split bet of $10 on it and was betting $120 on each of 2 dozens and $60 on a double street, so each regular win puts me up $50. The two 0-00's came early so I was rescued from losing too many bets on that.

On craps I lost over $2,000 just betting $30 on the inside numbers and the PL with single odds. I might get one or two hits on the numbers but then comes the big red. It was a very long time getting the 6 points in the trial portion as I mentioned. I wasn't playing my usual bubble craps style at all, and I think these computer games really take it out on me in the worst ways.

I played two different BJ games: one was regular and the dealer hits on soft 17, the other paid even money for a BJ but had the added value of allowing a double down at any time, but only one and there's a surrender option on the double down. The regular BJ only allows one split of Aces, but other cards are allowed to be split more than once and no doubling down after splitting.

I was playing my last three $1,000 sessions of BJ and wound up down at my minimum bets of $30 with a bankroll of under $300 on this particular never-ending losing streak. The stats figures they display are a bit inaccurate because I surrender some hands and if the dealer busts it counts as a win in the stats even though I lost half my bet. So around 1100+ hands in this triple session, I had won 500 hands but lost 560+ hands, and there were pushes that weren't even counted. It tried to estimate my W/L but it seriously lost track somewhere, so I'm not gonna refer to it too much for accurate statistics. Then I got some luck, I won up to $5,000, but just as quickly lost it back to under $500. It happened again but this time I got to $5,000 and fell to $1,000, then bounced back to over $5,000 and got to my win goal of $11K+. But I still felt a little bit lucky, so I kept on going with bets of $600-$2K and ran it up to almost $24K! I was almost at the point of having to take out a loan on this game and I don't know what measly amount they would have loaned me. I've been saying my betting strategy is alright, it's the extreme bad luck that's bringing me down. I was thinking of settling for any $1,000 gain at this point with so many 25 bet losses over the sessions, but I stuck this one out and won gold.
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March 20th, 2023 at 8:33:09 PM permalink
I had to reinstall Windows 10 on my 11 year old desktop computer after replacing the hard drive with an SSD, so the computer logs me in in less than 30 minutes and more like less than 5 minutes. I also had to reinstall all my programs, including Casino Vériité (alt-0233 for the é). I left it in Demo mode so 5's become 6's, and I don't know how much that affects the results, it seems like it would be small except don't hit 16's against 9,10,A.
I've been having the worst luck after I told it I'm not a novice so finding an upswing in 5,481 hands is like a once in a 110 hour occurrence.

I'm going to look at streaks and add them up.

678 x 1 = 678
313 x 2 = 626
137 x 3 = 411
70 x 4 = 280
29 x 5 = 145
15 x 6 = 90
3 x 7 = 21
2 x 10 = 20
Total wins = 2,271

575 x 1 = 575
284 x 2 = 568
178 x 3 = 534
99 x 4 = 396
51 x 5 = 255
31 x 6 = 186
16 x 7 = 112
6 x 8 = 48
4 x 9 = 36
2 x 10 = 20
1 x 13 = 13
Total Losses = 2,743

So, 2,271 + 2,743 = 5,014
2,271 - 2,743 = -472
2,271 / 5,014 = 45.29%
5,481 - 5,014 = 467 streaks of 0 (pushes not in a streak)
2,271 / 5,481 = 41.434%

I thought I had only lost 375 hands because I was down 15 x $1,000 sessions of 25 bet buy-ins in a row, but this streaks chart seems to indicate I actually lost another 100 hands.

The $1,000 minimum bankroll is just a mistake and I upped it to $30K within a few hands. I had one session where I won back to $30K from $21K, but I lost it all back faster than I won it. That's what I play for, the lucky streaks that put me ahead. But when the lucky streaks are putting me 250 hands behind twice in a row, I've got to reconsider betting the PB 5 & 9 at the craps table with these 40% win rates.
Maybe I should scale back my 8 in a row progressions to 6 in a row progressions, then lowering my bet to double the base bet until a loss. Looks like I have a 0.4% chance of winning 6 in a row or better.
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April 2nd, 2023 at 8:11:47 AM permalink
I finally had a winning session, where I won more than $10K on a $1K buy-in, since my reinstallation of the game with incredibly bad luck.
Today I was using a new progression of 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 6, 8, 10X for a 9 in a row progression. This pays out 10X my base bet after 6 wins, and 20X my base bet at 10 wins, but splits and double downs will alter that result drastically. I don't advance double on the progression for double down or split wins
Previously, for the first 2/3rds of the bottom chart over nearly 10,000 hands, (26X $1K buy-in sessions), I used a different progression that I thought would work well for choppy tables of 3(2X), 4(2X), 5, 6, 8, 10X where splits and double down wins would advance double for the first two spots if there was a net result of at least a double bet win. I've had success with this progression before on my Roku BJ game, but this time around, I could not get the lift I needed to even win a modest amount much less the whole $10K.
The following 2 charts are how my winning session went. The 1st chart below mentions >$1500 bets, but that's really any bet above $100 that's not on the chart.


The next 2 charts are how I've fared over nearly 10,000 hands. I changed my progression strategy about 2/3rds in when I was down to $11K, then I hit some luck. The red line showing the percentage win should be ignored in the last chart. It figured I started at $1K when that was a mistake.
I'm thinking I should finish the sessions as close to a multiple win of my buy-in after I've played 400 hands in a session. I should have either won or lost 25 units by then. But my comeback on this winning session came after hand #400.
I may start a new trip at $30K (the maximum bankroll buy-in) and continue using my new progression system.
The 1st chart below mentions >$1500 bets, but that's really any bet above $100 that's not on the chart.



I've been playing around 300 hands an hour, so 10K hands would be about 33 hours of play on the computer, or 200 hours of play at a full table at 50 hands per hour.
You'll notice I lose at certain bet levels when my win percentage is below 42.43%. That explains most of my bad luck. It's not the progressions exactly, it's the utterly sub 42.43% sessions I get.
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April 2nd, 2023 at 11:14:43 PM permalink
I started a new trip but I carried over my current bankroll of $25,070 instead of being able to reset to $30K. I played 296 hands and now I'm down $5. I almost lost the 1st session inside of 60 hands, but had a miraculous recovery by the time I hit 120 hands. I got to over $2K ($3K+ session balance) ahead a couple of times. Maybe the money in my bet spot doesn't show up in the graph below. I have to drag some chips over to my rack, then add some chips to a stack that's left in the betting spot. But this game likes to put me on a roller coaster, straight up then straight down, repeatedly sometimes. I figured I'm not past the 400 hand hand mark, so I should keep chugging along. But now I'm $5 under and a bit mad.
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April 25th, 2023 at 6:55:23 AM permalink
I played some MS Stud on the Wiz's site and lowered my bets to the local casino minimum of $15 (I'm sure it's $10 on some days).
I started with $50K with a loss goal of $46,250.
If I got to $50,750, I'd raise my ante to $30.
If I got to $52,250, I'd raise my ante to $45.
If I got to $54,500, I'd raise my ante to $60.
If I got to $57,500, I'd raise my ante to $75.
If I got to $61,250, I've reached my win goal, (up 3X $3,750).

Table started out real cold and I was down $2K, then I got back to even, then I was down $2K again. Then I got back to even and kept going. Instead of 20-50 bad hands in a row, I was getting several good hands near each other and racking up my score. I got to the $60 ante range, then the bad luck blew in and I lost it all down to my loss goal as I lowered my bets along the way. There was one Full House and no quads.

My local casino has a $50K max payout, not sure if it's for one player or for the whole table, but getting a straight flush at the $75 level would get me $50K instead of $60K if I missed one 3X bet. Since I'm folding or losing so many hands, I'd probably skip the $1 progressive bets at the casino. I played so many hands that if it was a real table, it would take days to finish this session up or down at the goals. Getting 4 of a kind at the $30 level would likely win me $12K, so it'd be an automatic win goal.
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June 25th, 2023 at 5:48:18 AM permalink
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I found a free version of this game with the following pay tables, and no progressives. I tried playing for over an hour. I had watched a YouTuber get crushed on this machine and I thought I favored it to try out before I saw that. Well, a quick search for free play on this machine led me to the link https://www.casino.org/us/slots/free/ and it was easy to pick out the machine from there. I started with $1,000 and bet $1.76 per spin. I noticed after 20 minutes that I could put the machine on auto-spin and I could select a few parameters. I could set it to play 100 spins with a loss cut-off of $176, or a win goal of $35.20. I adjusted it down to 50 spins with a $44 loss cut-off and a $35.20 win. If I went through all 50 spins without a bonus round that paid off, I'd start another one. So there's gold coins going into an ingot or goblet or something above the reels. I counted one time and it hit 20X before I got to the backglass JP round, which nearly invariably paid me the Mini JP of $40. Another time, it took 40 hits to get to a bonus round and it gave me 10 free spins. The free spins won me just a little more than the Mini JP one time, but over 3X the Mini JP another time, but I was already down that much so it brought me back to even. There were a few regular spins that paid out $20, $40, $60 or more, but they were rare. Then I had to wait for 55X hits on the gold coins before the lid led to a bonus round. So while I'm waiting for more than 50 spins for 20 hits, more than 100 spins for 40 hits, and more than 150 spins for 55 hits, I'm losing play money! Winning the Minor JP becomes more of a necessity! Well, I just spinned the reels several hundred times and basically got nowhere and I'd be lucky to cash out at even. But the opportunities for a large JP are there the longer I'm on the machine, but I've really got to plan on a bunch of $200-$300 buy-ins and several thousand spins to get more of a feel for this game, or I could watch some other YouTuber who is betting max bet and feeding the machine $100 bills by the thousands and see if they ever get a handpay from the gold coins feature. You've got to hit that thing a large amount of times sometimes and it could take way more than 50 spins to get there.




Denom Bet/Spin Mini JP Minor JP Major JP Grand JP
$0.01 $0.88 $20 $37.50 $750 $2,000
$0.02 $1.76 $40 $75 $1,500 $4,000
$0.03 $2.64 $60 $112.50 $2,250 $6,000
$0.06 $5.28 $120 $250 $4,500 $12,000
$0.10 $8.80 $200 $375 $7,500 $20,000
$0.20 $17.60 $400 $750 $15,000 $40,000
$0.30 $26.40 $600 $1,125 $22,500 $60,000
$0.60 $52.80 $1,200 $2,500 $45,000 $120,000
$1.00 $88.00 $2,000 $3,750 $75,000 $200,000


I played for a few more hours to try to figure out the pay tables more. I wasn't interested in winning a Major or a Grand JP, so I played 3 Gold coins or in $0.38 units. I started off with 50 spins at $0.76, then 50 spins at $1.14, then 50 spins at $2.28, then 50 spins at $3.80, then 50 spins at $7.60. Then I hit 5 gongs and went into 10 free spins that retriggered so I got 20 free spins. I won a virtual handpay JP of $1,392. I was going to reset to $0.38/spin after getting the gold coins, not the free spins, but I should use those interchangeably, however at this bet level, the usual 10 spin payouts were half of a Mini JP whereas the usual 10 spin payout with the full 5 gold coin spins would add up to around a Mini JP.
So I tried the same thing with $0.88/spin units. I played 50 spins at $1.76/spin, then 50 spins at $2.54, then 50 spins at $3.52 (if I hit 10 free spins and that paid off more than a Mini JP, I didn't lower my bets because I was counting on hitting a Mini JP later with the gold coins in the dish.) I won a couple times on the 10 free spins that got me from $1.9K to $2,050, but I didn't lower my bet thinking the goblet would pay off at some point. But it got absurd, I was losing a Mini JP in 30 spins and there were no more free spins and no goblet bonuses. So I kept raising my bet per 50 spins and lost all the way down to $0 pretty fast.
One time I got the coins goblet Mini JP and 10 free spins at the same time, so those two wins were added together for a final payout.
I assume the odds of getting any JP out of 12 coins to pick from is about equal but I'm not getting results like that.

Next night: I played 3 Gold Coins for the Mini & Minor JP's at $0.76/spin. I raised it to $1.14/spin when I got 2X Mini JP's ahead, or +$80. So I got about a dozen free spin sessions where all the Ace through 9 symbols are replaced with the other symbols so it gets twice as easy to actually win on a spin. There's half as many different symbols almost, I don't know the math. But just a couple minutes before the end of hour one, I finally hit the gold coin goblet bonus round and had to pick between Mini & Minor JP's, I won the Mini for $40 of course. That put me up over a $1,080 balance and I raised my bet from $0.76 to $1.14. I fell back below $1,080 and lowered my bet back down. But I hit three 10 free spins close to each other and I had increased my bet back up, so I won to $1,180. If I get to $1,200, that'd be +2 Mini JP's (+$60 x 2 = $120), and I'd raise my bet to the next denom which is $2.28. Yeah, a whole hour between goblet bonuses on auto-spin.
Playing $1.14/spin, I lost down to $1,086 in less than 100 spins and was about to lower my bet when I got the goblet bonus again and hit the Mini for $60. Another 50 spins I hit the goblet again for $60 and got back to $1,180.
I'm averaging about a dozen spins per minute on auto-spin, so that'd be 720 spins an hour if I wasn't interrupted resetting the auto-spin thingy or getting into bonus rounds. During the bonus spins, the last 20 spins plus scoring took 2.5 minutes, and I was getting about 9 spins a minute without the ending. I had a double retrigger and started with near 30 spins and won about a Mini JP. I was about to double my bet but it might have been lowered anyway by the time this bonus round came around, so winning $60 instead of $120 was the difference.
I've been playing for 2 to 3 hours tonight and I'm not getting much further than slightly into the 3rd denom. So I'm going to do 2-step denom sessions with win goals of +2 + +2 Mini JP's for the two denoms. I hope to hit these win goals in 1 to 3 hours. So that'd be up to a couple thousand spins most likely. Like tonight, winning $40 X 2 plus $60 X 2 equals a $200 win goal. I should make my buy-in equal to my win goal because now I'm getting really bad luck and losing my entire $200 win back to $0.
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Last time I went to look at slot machines in a casino, adding more coins increases the Mini & the Minor JP's but not the Major or the Grand JP's. So if there's a $1,000 Major & a $10,000 Grand, what Mini & Major JP's should I set up to go with that? Play the 3 cent, 6 cent or 10 cent denom? What matches the chart above, anything?

I saw a two-part YouTube video this morning that had a guy betting $88/spin, and he lost from $27K down to $0. That's slightly more than a 300 spin loss. Me losing 5 Mini JP's today on the virtual game was over a 250 spin loss. The cold streaks on this game are harsh and really the game is a consistent cold streak with an occasional interruption of 10 free spins, a try at the gold coins for a JP, or an even rarer regular spin that pays off more than a Mini JP. There's no telling when the cold streak is going to end, because it just doesn't.
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I decided to play with 10 cent denoms ($8.80/spin, 5 Gold coins) and go up from there. I've got $1,000 to start and 110+ spins to lose. The winning started off quick and kept going. I raised my bets to $0.20 denom when I got past $1,400; then $0.30 denom when I got past $2,200; then $0.60 denom when I got past $3,400, then $1.00 denom when I got past $4,800. I would quit at $8,800 if I could, but I didn't get that far, I got to $7,000 and betting max bet trying to see how far I could go. I fell back to $5,000, then fell further to $3,000 and below, then recovered to $5,000 all within 90 minutes. I got a Minor JP of $2,250 along the way and a couple 10 spin specials or regular spins that totaled over $2K. It's like the machine is throwing money at me after it took it away. I'll have to divide this all by 10 and see if I can turn $100 into $700 this way too.









If playing at a real casino and racking up over $10K in W-2G's only to have a net win of either $8K or an outright loss, take note of the machine number and do a session diary of your play. Some governments won't allow you to deduct your losses so all they'll see is the accumulation of W-2G's regardless of how your session ended.
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August 1st, 2023 at 2:02:55 AM permalink
Playing Vérité Casino BJ Demo again and lost 50 hands down out of the last 3 shoes (145 hands).


I'm also losing over a dozen $5K buy-ins in a row (over 300 hands down).
But this chart below shows I lost 5X $5K buy-ins (-125 hands) on this Trip so far and I almost made it back to even on the last session.
I've fallen from $105K to $80K this trip over 1511 hands. I did reach $112K on the last session but the obvious unlucky streak quickly followed after the shuffle.
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August 1st, 2023 at 2:24:13 AM permalink
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Playing Roku 3 BJ again. I lost down to my last $30 bet on today's $500 buy-in, then won to over $10K!
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That game sure sounds gaffed. From $30 to 10,000 is a >300: 1 win. Why do you bother if it's not representative of the true game.
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August 1st, 2023 at 2:52:03 AM permalink
There were $5 tables around before the pandemic. Now it's mostly $25 tables with a few $10 or $15 tables at odd hours. I have no idea how bad the real tables are (3:2 BJ). I've only got a few buy-ins available for the $5 tables and even less for the $10 tables. If I get a lucky streak right off the bat like the very first time I played the home game and got from $1K to $100K without looking back, that would be the actual table luck I'm looking for. But the more I play the home game, the more I feel it has learned my play and shut me down, and it's really shaken my confidence.
I just got a newer car to drive after my accident a year ago, so I expect I'll be venturing out soon. I'm still getting parts on back order. But then gas prices could soar for the rest of the year and I need to win enough to pay for the gas if I'm travelling long distance for the cheaper tables. This may not work.
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August 1st, 2023 at 4:27:20 AM permalink
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If I get a lucky streak right off the bat like the very first time I played the home game and got from $1K to $100K without looking back, that would be the actual table luck I'm looking for. ... . This may not work.
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CC,
You've been around here long enough to realise that you fantastically lucky streaks on the pretend money game are not representative of playing for real money.
Doubling your real Bankroll is not an unlikely scenario. Neither is losing it. A 100 fold increase in bankroll, however, would be damned unlikely.
And in the real game, you can't just restart your bankroll each session you lose.
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I need to win enough to pay for the gas if I'm travelling long distance for the cheaper tables.
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You seem to assume that you will win. You also imply that you are not so wealthy that losing could be shrugged off.

Blackjack has a house edge. It is a losing game. Take care you don't get seduced. Worst case scenario is that you go to a real casino, have a decent win and then keep going back to attempt to repeat the experience. It's the route to addiction.
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