Chump Change Software Sessions

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But then gas prices could soar for the rest of the year and I need to win enough to pay for the gas if I'm travelling long distance for the cheaper tables. This may not work.
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$25 tables are the norm most everywhere now.
If there are $10 tables, expect them to be slowed with sidebets and crowds.
I wouldn't be surprised if a number of tribal properties will comp you a tank of gas, if your style of play allows for a club card.

I was playing Pai Gow Poker for the first time at the Wizard's site. I got interested in the game after watching Victor win a session on YouTube recently.
I noticed I kept getting little nag screens that I can't raise my bet because I just became banker. What?
I had to dig more for information about Pai Gow Player Banker and ran across these items.







So while I was playing on the Wizard's site I got a push I didn't expect as I was a Banker. I clearly lost the high hand with high card vs. one pair, but the dealer pushed on my low hand.


I haven't seen any live casino videos of people going around the table being Banker, and a few references I ran across said you can't be Banker unless you have $30K on the table. Being Banker is supposed to lower the house edge to near 0% for those few hands that you play as Banker. From what I can gather it's about 3 wins to 3 losses to 4 ties per 10 hands.
I was getting stuck on player's paying a 5% commission on winning hands then I ran across this commission-free table Victor was playing at.


I had one session on the Wizard's site where I won about 10 hands ahead, lost 15 hands back, then won 15 hands again. So I'm thinking I could just play Pai Gow Poker without making the Fortune bet (Victor's luck on that is so bad sometimes, ouch!), and if I find a $20 table I could either bet the $5 minimum on the Fortune Bet, bet $0 on the Fortune Bet, or integrate it to 20%-25% of my regular bet until I hit the table max for the Fortune bet. But will I get to $30K with or without betting on & winning the Fortune bets? If I run across table maximums that are too low, I could just play 2 spots with double the session money. But I think I'll start expecting to win 10 bets ahead then calling it quits per gaming day.

Playing on the Wiz's games site again and had 3 hands in a row that would have paid off had I been betting the Fortune Bet if there was one. I was betting $45 on the regular bet and if I was betting 20% of that extra on the Fortune Bet, or $9, that would have paid
25 to 1 or $225 twice for two 4 of a kind winners in a row and spread an Envy Bonus of $5 twice around the table. The third hand was a 4 flusher straight and would have paid $18 instead of $450 for a straight flush.
I didn't split the Kings in the first hand and pushed with an Ace-7. I did split the Aces in the 2nd hand. My rubbish beat their rubbish for low hand in the 3rd hand.
Winning the Fortune Bet would have brought me back to near even with the starting $1K bankroll, but I've lost track of how many hands wouldn't have paid anything to get this far, so maybe I'm ahead anyway by not betting the Fortune Bet.
I turned off the rotating Banker option early in the session because it was interfering with my betting style.



Continuing play - I raised my bet to $60 and ran across this head scratcher. I went against the prompt and played it anyway. Flush beats a straight they say. I guess my low hand was supposed to be 10-7 with a 9 high straight behind it. That would have been a push.

I'm on a roll of hot hands that would have made the Fortune bet a winner by now. It comes down to whether the hands are awful all the time or great much of the time. I'm losing most hands but the Fortune wins would have put me ahead. Fortune wins are the way to win when the dealer has an Ace-High Pai Gow to push the hand but the Fortune bet pays off.

I'm down to $30 bets now and with a 20% side bet of $6, a straight flush would pay off 50 to 1 or $300. I'm almost tapped out. I've read the wheel is the 2nd highest straight in this game, so just one notch lower than a Royal Straight Flush. Don't forget the $20 Envy payout around the table.

This session ended down about 25 bets. The bad beats never stopped.
I could play with or without the Fortune Bonus, but I'm thinking of all the good hands that would have paid and kept me afloat, I should bet the Fortune Bonus.
If 5 Aces is the proverbial "impossible hand" I've got to figure the ones higher than that are even more impossible, and they all are taxable.

I am really losing at this game badly. I've lost $1,000 four times tonight, so I'm down 100 bets. I thought maybe my beginner's luck on this would make a great alternative to BJ with that game's obvious slant towards losing hands at 60%. Seems I'm losing worse than that on this game. I've even tried progressions looking for 6 in a rows and 9 in a row wins, but as helpful as they are when they arrive, they aren't enough against this game. I'm beginning to doubt how good the Fortune side bet would be, but I'd have to use a progression on that that matched my regular bet, and same bet on a push. I'm sure a well timed win on the Fortune bet could make up for like 5 to 25 $1,000 session losses in one hand flat.

I'm trying out a new Paroli 4 hit system suggested by a new poster, monodactyl.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/38467-is-there-something-to-huge-paroli-bets-in-blackjack-or-am-i-just-getting-really-lucky/#post896410
My base bet is $300. On a win I double to $600, on the next win I double to $1.2K, then finally I double to $2.4K and maintain that bet until a loss. This works great when winning a lot at max bet! But there could be a 100-200 unit loss-wait between runs that put me well ahead. I played my typical session of at least 400 hands, well I cut it short a few hands because I ended up on a winning streak. I went from $80K to $115K early on then slowly lost down to $90K, so a 50 unit loss back. I bounced around between $90K & $100K until a final streak of double downs and such at max bet put me up nearly $15K at the end.
I did bet $225 one time because I misclicked on a drop down menu.
So the stats will be vastly different from what I'm used to.







Now I'm getting antsy to do full parlays of the double-ups I win; say $300 double to $600 wins $600 then there's $1200 in the spot for the next bet because getting to 4 in a row wins is hard. But scraping off the excess chips to a strictly double-up adds a unit or two or four here and there so I'm not sure which way to go. But it seems getting to $2400 quickest would be the priority, so maybe I'll try that on the next session.

I didn't use surrenders this time because I was trying to get these double-ups. Well, I did surrender a couple times early on then changed my mind.
It looks like I was down 9 units at the $300 level, up 3 units at the $600 level, up 30 units at the $1.2K level and up 84 units at the $2.4K level.

I tried another session where I just doubled the double down wins, but that only affected 2 or 3 hands and was inconsequential to the totally bad losing streak this game perpetrated on me! ONLY ONE WINNING 4 in a row to be had out of 172 hands and ONLY ONE MAX BET WON OUT OF 7! I keep saying these computer games build me up with a winning streak only to tear me down the next time and this was the very next session! I'm hardly winning 28.5% of my hands, that has to be a near record low on this game for me for a session! I only had THREE $300 Blackjacks, compare that to the previous session of 15 BJ's!.

Because the forum has been modified to include 50 posts per page instead of 10, I find myself posting on page 2 instead of supposedly page 10 or so.
I just played the Wiz's Pai Gow Poker game without any Fortune Bonus adventures. I played during a couple of hour long TV episodes of something on a streaming service and had some good luck. It was up & down and I can try to push my luck, and I did get higher, but I'm gonna post a win goal that I reached. I'm stopping at $3K up from a $1K buy-in for a $2K profit. I think that's at least 15 wins ahead even without counting the 5% discounts on each win which would make it higher. I could try to get to $4K or $8K or higher, but since I've been playing so long tonight I've got to lock in some profits. I'm not sure what to expect for upward swings on this game, but the cards can turn awful on a dime and result in too many dealer wins in a row.


I got up to $5K before dropping back an hour or so later.

Playing Buffalo 1024 Ways slots on demo mode at a website with play money. I get $5,000 to start with. There's all kinds of betting levels.
https://www.casino.org/games/free/

I started betting $4/spin and I was down a bit but got the 3 coins and in the 1st free spin round, got to 23 free spins and won $189.60 (or just under 50X my bet), and that brought me back above even. It was labelled as a BIG WIN!


I raised my bet to $6 for 50 spins and didn't get the 3 coins so I doubled my bet to $12/spin for another 50 spins round. I hit the 3 coins for 91 free spins. There were a lot of 2 coin wins adding 5 free spins to the total, and a very few 3 coin wins adding 8 free spins. I won almost 525X my bet! It was labelled as an ULTRA WIN!


Then I raised my bet to $40/spin and hit 4 gold coins across for 15 free spins to start off. I was already down over $2.6K from the last JP. I ran it up to 111 free spins! I was awarded a MEGA WIN that was about 290X my bet.



I didn't know what to do at this point, so I set my bet for $120/spin and set the auto spin for 100 spins again. I lost $6,675 or 55X my bet in the 1st 100 spins and ended up at $14,410. I lost another $4,476 or 37X my bet in the next 100 spins and ended up at $9,664. I lowered my bet to $80 then lost another $1,478 or 18X my bet in the next 100 spins and ended up at $8,186. Then it was another 68 spins before I hit the 3 gold coins and all I got was 8 free spins that won me $1,414 and I wound up at $8,240, or up $56 from the previous 68 spins. I tried another 100 spins at $80/spin and lost $2,864 or 35X my bet and ended up at $5,376.35.

I've never played this game before and there were only 3 handpays to worry about but they totaled $19,327.70 and I lost just about all of it back with reckless betting hoping the 3 coin free spin rounds would come around in 50 to 150 spins, but one took 368 spins to come around and it was a flat nothing burger. If I won 500X my $120 bet, I would have won another $60K.

I played a Grease slot machine for the first time at the same site as above, I was clear out on page 8 of slots. I started betting 10 Euros per spin or 0.50 on 20 lines with a starting buy-in of €1,000. I was down 26 units then I got to the pick a picture bonus and won €1,600 (alt+0128 for €). There's not much to win on this game unless you get to the bonus rounds, and waiting for that bonus round can be traumatic. So I put it on 50 spin autospin and after 14 spins and being down €7.50 from the last bonus balance of €2,340 I hit yellow Grease balls on reels 1,3 & 5 for the next bonus round. I chose the 12 free games in Better Shape Up Bonus and won €1,090 and that put me up to €3,422.50.
And while it was counting up it went from BIG WIN to MEGA WIN somewhere around €750-€900 as shown below.

My autoplay ended at €3,245 so I doubled my bet to €20 and played for 99 spins. I ended up at €1,770 for a loss of €1,475 or 73.75X my bet. Come again? I just bet €1,980 and lost €1,475 of it? That's a RTP of 25.5%! That's traumatic!

I lowered my bet back to €10 and I lost another €400 then got to the bonus round. I chose 4 Summer Nights Free Games and won €1,030! I was now at €2,260 and I raised my bet to €20/spin on 20 lines which is the maximum. I lost down to €2,205 and wound up with another bonus round in quick succession and chose pick a picture. I won €3,840 on that and was up to €6,045.
So I played another 99 spins at €20/spin and lost down to €4,955, or a €1,090 loss or a 45% RTP! Damn!
I played another 99 spins and lost down to €4,000, or a €955 loss or a 51.7% RTP! Damn!
So I quit the game at €4,000 left, but I could have quit after the last JP at €6K.
The soundtrack is catchy if you like Grease at all but I think it's mainly for tourists who will only play the machine to get a taste of it.
A couple of the JP's were not available which is odd, so I didn't hit those.

I finally found a Fortune Pai Gow Poker place to play with play money.
I did OK for an hour, then the bottom fell out with like a dozen losses in a row not counting ties. I came upon a quirk in the game where it would pay me like a tie when I actually won. It happened a few times so I'll post them here. There's no Ace high Pai Gow that the dealer has that would cause a push.

The first one is an actual tie where my low hand was the same as the dealer's low hand so the dealer wins because he's the banker, but my high hand beat his high hand so I win that one. It's an L + W = P. Count up my $40 bet and return it to me as a +$40.


The next one I have 3 of a kind Queens beating 3 of a kind 8's, and Ace-King beating a 9-5. I should get a +$80 back in my betting spot but the site called it a tie. I was betting $8 on the Fortune Bonus and won 4 for 1 or +$32. In the lower right you can see my total bet was $48. The win amount on the bottom is added to my balance after the hand is discarded when I click on my winning amount in the center large rectangle.


What should have happened in the previous screenshot was I needed a +$80 in the betting spot when I win both hands.


I did hit 4 of a kind and won a 26 for 1 Fortune Bonus on my $8 bet. I'm not sure if I should decouple my Fortune Bet amount from my regular bet amount and have 2 stacks of chips at the table and play them separately. When I'm stuck with just a score on the internet I can't really decouple them into 2 stacks without excess handwriting.


Here's another deal where I won both hands but got paid like it was a tie.

I lowered my bet for this one and still got ripped off with a tie instead of a win.


I'll have to find another place to play that doesn't have quirks like that. But this was the place that wanted real money, so I didn't click that button and played with play money.
https://www.vegasslotsonline.com/table-games/fortune-pai-gow-poker/

Calling a session double-up after 16 hands with an 11 in a row win streak. (+$10K)


Logs of getting from the $30K bankroll to the $200K bankroll.






Trip 1 win/loss graph: $30K starting bankroll after starting at $1K by mistake.



Trip 2 win/loss graph.



Trip 3 win/loss graph.



Trip 5 win/loss graph. Trip 4 utterly skipped and doesn't exist.



The dealer is usually beating the player on winning streaks of 3 in a row or higher.


Whatever I'm doing, I'm up 1.31% so far on $12 million bet during 34.2K hands. The >$2K bets are anything not listed and are likely below $2K, but a very few are above $2K.

I'm on a new 3 Card Poker kick inexplicably. I'm going to copy a post of mine from that thread and put it here since it's so hot.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/1194-3-card-poker/#post905557

I found the game on the Wizard's site at https://wizardofodds.com/play/three-card-poker/
I started out with a $10,000 bankroll but kept my bets to a minimum to get a feel for the game. I tried betting just $10 on the Ante bet with a matching Play bet when called for and lost nearly $300 fairly quickly. So I switched it up to $15 on the Ante and $5 on the Pair Plus bet and $15 on the Play bet when called for. I won my $300 back but lost a couple hundred back. Then this happened. I won a straight flush vs a flush. I had a mini-Royal. I wonder if some tables pay for mini-Royals. The Wiz's site has no 6 Card bet. No 5 card Royal was won here. A 5 card straight flush (non-Royal) pays 200 to 1 or on a $5 6 Card Bonus bet would pay $200.
My $15 Ante bet paid $15 + $75; my Play bet paid $15; my $5 Pair Plus bet paid $200; and my $35 wager came back for a total of $340 Win in the box shown. That $1 progressive would have paid off whatever it was worth, but it hit very early.


I played a handful of hands more, like 5 maybe and hit 3 of a kind.
My $15 Ante bet paid $15 + $60; my Play bet paid $15; my $5 Pair Plus bet paid $150; and my $35 wager came back for a total of $275 Win in the box shown.


I doubled my bets and played for another half hour before I hit another 3 of a kind for myself.
My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $120; my Play bet paid $30; my $10 Pair Plus bet paid $300; and my $70 wager came back for a total of $550 Win in the box shown.


10 minutes later I hit a second straight flush!
My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $150; my Play bet paid $30; my $10 Pair Plus bet paid $400; and my $70 wager came back for a total of $680 Win in the box shown.


3 hands later I hit another straight flush. I had increased my Pair Plus bet to half of the ante bet or upped it $5 to $15.
My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $150; my Play bet paid $30; my $15 Pair Plus bet paid $600; and my $75 wager came back for a total of $885 Win in the box shown.


My computer crashed or shutdown involuntarily so when I got back my game had started over. I started out betting $50 on the Ante and Play bets and $25 on the Pair Plus bet. Within 10 minutes I hit another 3 of a kind. Real time table conditions would be much much slower.
My $50 Ante bet paid $00 (Dealer did not qualify) + $200; my Play bet paid $50; my $25 Pair Plus bet paid $750; and my $125 wager came back for a total of $1,125 Win in the box shown. I came back up $50 short of even.


When my Pair Plus bet is half of my Ante bet and I get a Flush but lose to the Dealer, at least I get a Push out of it and win back my total bet amount.
$25 Pair Plus bet pays $100 for a $125 Win with the winning wager returned. Total wagers were $125.


Flushes pay 4 to 1 in this old school game. Las Vegas tables have been lowered to 3 to 1. But if you're outside of Vegas, look for 4 to 1 payouts.

I upped my bets to $100 on the Ante/Play and $50 on the Pairs Plus. I was on quite the losing streak but hit 3 of a kind to get back to even.
My $100 Ante bet paid $100 + $400; my Play bet paid $100; my $50 Pair Plus bet paid $1,500; and my $250 wager came back for a total of $2,350 Win in the box shown.

I got a bit flustered and thought I'd play the Field bet (12 pays triple) on a progression of $100, $150 (2X), $200, $300 etc. but it never got above $300, aka no more than 4 wins in a row. So in 254 rolls with no other bets and not stopping for come-outs I lost 50 units or $5,000 (from the dotted red line on to the right on the graph). To the left of the dotted red line I was getting mostly nearly point 7-outs and lost about 50 points (PL with some odds) from the upper left of the graph. WinCraps does not let up on the bad streaks. I mean I won to 20 points ahead the night before, so I thought I had a system all ready for today. I even added $15 side bets on the 4 and 10 to run up a progression. What's fun about those is that I could win each one 3 times and win the same $140 as hitting one of them 4 times and hitting the other once. That's as far as I got. But when everything is point 7-out, it's just $30 wasted each time because they don't even get a single hit. Just trying to figure out a way to win $9.4K times two for hitting the 4 & 10 10 times each on one shooter.

I lost another $1,000 playing variously. The following graph is a continuation of the bad luck but to the right of the red line is where the dice turned around and rewarded my DP with some odds (two DP with odds bets per shooter before switching sides to the PL with odds for that shooter). I was up maybe 15 points in 212 rolls and won back $673 to get back to even on the 2nd $1,000 session buy-in. I was betting $12 on the DP with either $12, $24, $36, or $48 on odds depending on my balance. Of course I'd bet higher if I get on the plus side of this session. But the main gist of this strategy is for $500 buy-ins and running it up to $6K with 35 points to my favor.

Played MS Stud on the Wiz's site for several hours in 2 sessions of flat betting. I started out with the usual $50K bankroll and bet $10 antes with bets totaling up to $100 per hand over the 4 spots.
I hit quad 2's on a folded hand and won nothing.

Later, I hit a Full House for $1,000 and raised my balance to $48K after being down 300 X $10 units.

Then I lost patience and thought about high rolling it a bit. I tried a $50 ante for a few hands, and that would win me $50K with a straight flush if I had a full bet down of $500 on it. But I'm finding I may not have a full bet down on straight flushes and may miss a 3 bet or two. So I increased my ante to $125 so a $1250 full bet times 40 for quads would pay $50K which is the maximum payout at my local casino for this game. If I only had $500 down (4 X $125) on the full bet for a straight flush, that would pay $50K also. I quickly won back the couple thousand I was down and even hit a full house for a $10K payout.

But that was the last full house I saw while I lost $31K (-250 units) before winning the next $10K full house. Actually, I was down to $12.5K (-375 units) but had recovered with smaller wins in quicker succession before hitting this full house.

I lost another $5K quickly (-40 units) then won another $10K payout on a full house.

I made a couple smaller movements to $49K but lost back to $40K, like the machine knew not to let me get back to even.
Then the bottom fell out and there were no more full houses all the way down to $10K (-300+ units).

I thought I would stop wasting time playing my Roku 3 Black Jack game but I still can't help myself. After several recent losing sessions this week I had a breakthrough. Tonight's starting bankroll was $515 and I played like I was at a $15 to $1,000 table. In 21 minutes and 14 seconds I played 163 hands and got my bankroll to $13,092.50 with a session bet of $46,605 and a session won of $12,577.50, or +27% return on the betting.

Now, since I'm over a $5,000 bankroll, the table limits of the game have moved to $100 to $5,000, so I've got to find a chart for that. I could do $3,250 sessions, but this game will put me on a never ending losing streak soon enough. That's the problem with this game. The table limits get pushed up too high and it wrecks the way I'd normally play. I'd still be playing on a $25 table if this were my game.

Here's an update on my cumulative totals today. 46,921 hands played. Total bet of $9,797,310. Total won of -$33,907.50. So I've knocked $12K off my losses in just a few shoes. The reason I actually have any losses is because I was given $500 free each day to play with and I lost it along the way. So $47K / $500 = 94 days of play.

I've had this game to over $100K before but it ran me through a never-ending losing streak down to $0. I think I was playing $10K sessions at the time, and a winner on any one of those would put me back up $100K. I'll see if I can do $3,250 sessions this time.

I lost the 1st $3250 session in 129 hands. I lost the 2nd session in 62 hands. I lost the 3rd session in 103 hands. I lost the 4th session in 513 hands. So all of those had an opportunity to get me to over $40K, but they went into never-ending loser mode instead.

My latest 22 sessions of Blackjack.
1st table is from $105K balance to $190K in about 7K hands.
2nd table is from $190K to $290K in about 5K hands.
The purpose of this is to mark down Winning and Losing sessions in anticipation of tax time.
This is a play money game in demo mode so not a real casino game. But to get a handle on how to figure out how to report wins and losses by sessions is how this is coming out.

Lose	Win
-$4,987.50	$32,850.00
-$5,100.00	$35,475.00
-$4,825.00	$95,700.00
-$5,137.50	Cum = $164,025
-$4,950.00
-$32,700.00
-$5,250.00
-$5,000.00
-$10,750.00
Cum = -$78,700.00

Lose	Win
-$10,375.00	$21,175.00
-$10,030.00	$10,000.00
-$10,025.00	$10,000.00
-$10,450.00	$102,750.00
-$10,100.00	$7,125.00
Cum = -$50,980.00	Cum = $151,050.00

This morning's triple session: lost about 6% of $1/2 million bet over 812 hands, down $30K or 3X 25 unit buy-ins. That's getting near off the charts bad luck right there, near -4 SD for the last third of the chart.


This was played after this post was made: Blackjack Returns, where I tried to fathom the match bonus for online deposits with 50X playthrough for Black Jack.
My answer was: "You'll probably want to withdraw your original $1,000 when you get down to $1,000 if you want it back for something else. Flat betting at $5 is what you should be doing with $2,000 here." The OP was losing 6% over 500 hands and was wondering if the game was rigged. Hmmm, when I just lost 6% here, it looks rigged. It's more like the machine is not going to allow a Player winning streak to go unpunished and then some with extended Dealer winning streaks.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/38917-blackjack-returns/#post917425

Lost $10K in 120 hands, won it back starting a new session in the first 9 hands.
I lost 12% of my total bets in this round, double what I was complaining about last time.


Win rate was over 76%

After sidling up to a roulette table to play for the very first time, I was at a $25 table and all I had were 2 green chips and two $25 Match Plays. I had to get them signed before use and I accidently gave him a drawing slip instead of my 2nd Match Play slip. So he had to sign that between my first bet and my second bet. The dealer exchanged balls before the first spin, and she looked away from the wheel as she was letting go of the ball. The first spin was a green 0 or 00. I was betting even money on the even numbers, so I repeated my bet and she exchanged balls again and spun a 4, so I won the second spin. That's -$25 on the 1st spin and +$50 on the 2nd spin for a grand total of +1 green chip on 2 spins.
I was figuring last night that if I hung around for 5 weeks or 20 Match Plays and the results were even such that if I were betting $50 all by myself, I'd be up $250 in a 10W-10L round of 20 spins because of the Match Play. Variance will move that dream, around.

So I got out my home game of roulette this morning and with my abacus counting the number of spins and a handheld calculator totaling up the total bet amount, I set out on a session to either lose $1,000 or win $1,000 within 50 spins using my (-13, +7) strategy. The starting bet amount was $120, the high bet amount was $180 for the last 3 wins to the goal, and I'd lower my bet amount to $80 if I fell below an $800 balance, and $60 if I fell below a $380 balance. I started the session with $1,040 instead of $1,000 even, and that did play into how this ended a little. This was a better session because I wasn't coming from far behind with lower bets. But it still ran 3X as long as I would have liked just to get to 7 bets ahead. There's slippage when I vary my bets and that adds to how many bets my final goal will require, and I don't really fathom that, it's just all or nothing on win/loss goals with these sessions.

After 158 spins, my total bet was $19,460, and I was up $1,080. So at 50 spins an hour in a casino, that'd be a 3 hour session. I was wondering what comps I could get for that with an HA of just over $1,000, probably $300, but if I was playing on a machine, it'd be more like $30 in points, and no tier points. But it's something to try if I want to stay on the mailer, maybe with a $500 session buy-in instead at the $25 table, or $250 at the $15 table. This session was more about a $50 minimum bet table, and trying to deal with $1,000 sessions.

The sign at the local roulette tables say Min $15 or $25 and Max of $100. I had to ask questions to find out what that meant. The Min number is how much the inside numbers need total up to in bets, or the minimum value of the outside numbered bets. The Max number is how much can be bet on a single number on the inside. I'm sure there's lots of math involved trying to figure that out at times. But in the ultra tiny print on the sign which I could barely read even with magnifying glasses on while I was right next to it, it said the dozens bet max is $2,500 and the even money bet is $5,000. For years I thought they just crimped the game with a $100 maximum bet on the outside. I had no reason to play at the table since the minimums went up with COVID, and a machine was brought in to supplement play.

Just losing session after session today and a few days before. Of course when I have sessions where I'm losing over 25% of my total bet almost all the way through it, I'll lose that much faster. I'm down to $200K from $290K, so down $90K or 9 sessions or 225 bets. This session was only 105 hands.

Had a 58 hand come-back and I'm gonna lock up some wins with a +28% profit to total bet session ($110K bet).
I was winning 62% of my hands excluding pushes.
I went from a buy-in that brought me down to $190K and won me back to $230K. I'm getting skittish about extreme bad luck runs following good luck runs like this especially after the shuffle and it's almost the end of the shoe.


The next session was with a new shuffle and lasted 59 hands with a loss of $10,775, or about -44% of my total bet of just under $25K. That must be a new record or close to one. I only won 27.45% of the hands excluding pushes.


Next session I was at my top betting level by hand #128 and split an $8K hand and doubled down on one for a $24K win on a $24K bet. When I swipe them off the betting spot it will put me over $300K. I thought I'd keep up with the top level betting just a little bit longer, but the bottom fell out and I lost the session.
I had 552 hands with a total bet of $916K and lost just under $10K for a net loss of -1.08% of the total bet on the below session.

Came back from nearly last bet on demo BJ and won to $30K ahead, then lost 50 bets in one shoe and was back down to nearly the last bet again.
I can't get stats on how often the dealer gets BJ but 6 times in 10 hands is not far off the mark. I'm getting PTSD everytime I'm asked for insurance on the dealer's Ace now. I'm just getting flustered with the unbelievable wins the dealer is getting.
I've got a streak chart that adds up to a difference of 50, which doesn't make sense to me when my session was supposed to be for a 25 bet buy-in.
I was there too long and the clock malfunctioned after 5 hours. Since the time starts with -86.3K seconds, I'm gonna infer bad things happened. It doesn't move from there, the last two digits keep rolling around from 99 to about 30 and back again.
I've lost 15 sessions in a row, but I've had the chance to cash out at a profit a few times, I've not timed it right and the machine took over with a prompt losing streak each time.




The total bet amount was just under $1.23 million over 1.3K hands at $933/hand. The running average was just over $1K for a little bit but slid during the last losing streak. The HA on $1.23 million is $6,150 at 0.5%, so if my total bet gets to $2 million then the HA exceeds my $10K buy-in. At 2K hands at $1K/hand average that could happen. But there's no way to count my total bet at a real casino table or how many hands I've played or what the HA is, just how many hours I've been sitting there playing.

Lowered my session buy-in to $5K so I'd have 30X buy-ins left out of $150K, but I'd likely lower my buy-ins as my bankroll gets smaller but I'd revaluate that later. Played 1427 hands in 3.75 hours or 380 hands per hour. I had two spots where I could have cashed in at a profit: of either $5K or $15K, but from the graph, there wasn't much plateau at those levels, just a sharp drop. I'm playing hundreds and hundreds of hands at lower bet levels going up and down, but when I get into profit territory, the machine just goes straight up and straight back down. Several times I was down to my last bet and recovered to my full buy-in. I wasn't using a progression on a win this time or on last night's post. It doesn't really matter if I use the progression except the machine seems to tighten up considerably when I use it and I can't get into profit territory as much but it does help me recover from last bet situations that turn favorable suddenly. The machine seems looser when I don't use it it. Check out this streak chart.



When I don't use progressions, I can play with this $5K buy-in at my local high limit room that has $100 - $3K BJ tables.
Damn, just overheard Lucy Ewing calling a casino looking for her father Gary Ewing (a dealer) at a casino on a rerun of Dallas S2 E9 on Freevee. She's an orphan at the Ewing mansion.

Played $12 on the PL, PB 6 & 8 and odds ($10 odds on the 6/8) and ran a progression that really pays off when there's a hot shooter. But there was no hot shooter racking my progressions up to their limits. So out of about 500 rolls, I lost almost $1200, or 100 X $12. The power of Point 7-out is at play here because that's what WinCraps does to me after some beginner's luck.
I'm getting the feeling it is easier to lose to 25 times behind on the PL than to win 25 times ahead on the PL and a switch to the Don't Pass is in order. But as soon as I switch sides, the table heats up like never before so I'm just jinxed.

Playing home game roulette and betting Black with a progression. The latest number picked is to the top left, then goes across the top row, then continues across the bottom row from left to right. So starting with the first black 35, I hit 6 in a row; then there was a red, then 2 blacks (I need 2 blacks in a row for this progression), then 9 losers in a row including 3 greens, then 5 blacks in a row including three 35's in a row! That's five 35's in 26 spins!
I'm kind of getting sick of my poor luck at bubble craps and thinking of trying a buy-in or two on the roulette machine for a couple of hours or more. It's about 54 spins an hour, so 3 greens an hour. If I ever get this strategy going, I don't know how I'll deal with 1,000 $5 or $10 chips at a real table after 2-3 hours if I win.


I started a session with around $650 with 25 bets to start. I'm running my progression. I was run down to about $200 but won back to over $1,500. I didn't get to my final win goal of $4,050, or even triple my buy-in at $1,950. So I kept playing for too long. Then I get streaks like this where reds make up 16 hits to 8 hits of black & 2 hits of green; I'm down 10 bets not counting the progression just on the colors.
I included an artist rendition of myself in this game. My name and money balance usually appear where Just Lost appears, so I usually edit/omit that out.

Playing Roku 3 Video Poker and finally had a good night. I was up $300 at one point. $200 of the win was from being dealt quad deuces and a 4 but I forgot to save the 4 (I meant to save it after thinking about it but hit the wrong button) and drew an Ace and got the $200 win on Double Double Bonus Poker anyway. That's my highest win so far after 14,833 hands, and it put me up to $1,288.75 behind.
I got a straight flush for $62.50 at hand 14,981 that boosted me to $1,218.75 behind. I'm almost at $18,750 total bet which would be about $31.25 in points at $6/point, so the comps are virtually pointless except for a couple burgers or subs.

I played an extra session of DDB VP this morning and went an hour without hitting quads. So when I did finally hit it I was down $142.50 over 551 hands or $688.75 total bet, or down 20.7%! In this game it depends which quads I get. If it's the normal quads that pay $62.50 (250 coins), I would have been down $80 or down 11.62%. If it's the quads that pay 400 coins ($100), like this one was, I would have been down $42.50 or down 6.2%. If it was the quads that pay 800 coins ($200), I would have been up $57.50 or up 8.3%.

I've played for 2.33 hours before getting quads previously, so the losses would be much larger.

I played for an hour on Double Joker Poker, which should be worse than just Joker Poker, but I lasted longer for some reason. I lost $100 on each of them. I had 391 hands played on Double Joker Poker and 337 hands played on Joker Poker. On Deuces Wild I hit a 1,000 coin quad deuces in 64 hands. I was hitting a lot of quads on Double Joker Poker that pay more than on Deuces Wild, but I'd be losing $50 between hits on Double Joker poker if they weren't hitting in near succession.
Anyway, if I'm losing $100 in 400 hands, that's a 20% loss rate, near 23.75% for the 337 hand session. Yeah I could play another 40,000 hands, but I'll be down a few Royal Jackpots by then. So far I'm down about 8.75% after 18.5K hands. There's no need for me to expect that I'd do better on this bet than on a craps hardway 6 or 8 bet or something like that at this point.

I got a bit addicted to playing Bingo Blackjack on Draft KIngs due to this thread.
SPLITTING 10'S AGAINST DEALER 2'S-6'S. at the start of the month.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/39114-splitting-10s-against-dealer-2s-6s/#post925105
There's a link to the free play money site from the Wizard's page that explains the game.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/bingo-blackjack/

I've been playing the game session after session with no luck and it looks like an absolute loser to me because the 20% vig for the Bingo bet just eats up my bankroll and 95% of the the time that I get a Match, I lose the Bingo bet anyway (a push is a loss too), so I'm losing more than 99% of my Bingo bets.
I would start with $500 sessions and see if I can score $5K on any of them, but it hasn't happened yet, I can't do better than double my money and lose it right back.
I figure it's just free play money so I'll start with a $2,000 session tonight. The first session was a free fall loss. The second session was the complete opposite but it turned around into a free fall loss. So I just made a chart for myself how to play this game to the limit from $25 + $5 bets to $2,000 + $400 bets, and it's supposed to get me from $2K to $42K. I got as high as $32K then it turned and after a few recoveries it stopped recovering and went straight down as these games typically do to me. I got from $6K to $32K back down to $2K in 1 hour flat. I had some early wins that boosted my bankroll with the Bingo bets. Lemme see if I have some screenshots available.




I made a max bet and it blanked out the chip stack so I couldn't bet anymore chips.

I had a chance to win $39,000 on one hand that would have put me at $65,975, but it was not to be.

I went on a losing streak of over $10K and had to lower my bet from $2K to $1.5K to $1K (plus Bingo Match bets) then I hit a BJ with a 10X Match and won $10K + my $1K bet back so that put me back to $29K. But within one minute I had lost that $11K back, but won another $9K Match!


Within the last 10 minutes I had lost down from nearly $30K down to $2K.


One time I had a Match of 5X on a BJ but the Dealer had an Ace and I was asked if I wanted insurance. I pushed the button to bet for insurance. It actually asked me it I wanted even money instead. So I thought I would get 5X even money but I only got even money. I forgot if the dealer had BJ.

I've been trying desperately to find a Spanish 21 game to play because my basic strategy is so rusty on this game and the local tables have the lowest minimums. So I found Draft Kings has an online demo game at https://tinyurl.com/2amnz447 but it's usually only good for one session whether that be 10 minutes or 1 to 4 hours. Once I quit it resets the bankroll at $2,000, so I can't keep it going for days and months like I do with other home games.
This game has a Match the Dealer side bet which I always avoid, but since it's play money I thought I'd give it a try. I tried just straight $5 side bets then made them 1/3rd of my original bets so if a minimum payout of 3 to 1 came out it would at least match my base bet. But I'm losing far too many of these bets to make sense and it's just turning into a constant drain on my bankroll. I tried $30 + $10 for the minimum bet and jumped it to $45 + $15 and even $60 + $20 but the game seems to have a mind of its own in thwarting every advance I'm making upwards. I lost two $1,000 sessions playing with the side bet, then I started a new game without it. I started off pretty even and eventually started making progress. At some point I lost track of which thousand dollars I was supposed to keep track of and bet on so the credit meter became my whole session. I ran it up to over $7,000. I got a screenshot of it at $6,000. My maximum bet was just $450 today, far from the $7,000 allowed by the table sign. I guess I could have tried my luck and done double or nothing a bit at $7K and stayed at max bet. If I got to 20 bets ahead at max bet I'd have $140,000. But odds are I'd be right back at $0 before I ever got to $50,000.
I wasn't able to redouble down on this game, much less double double double down.

Played my regular demo game without excess progressions for this session. The previous session I won 7 buy-ins or $35K in 416 hands.


This time I was trying to abide by my rule of quitting when I get past 400 hands and winning to at least +1 buy-in after that. I played 820 hands to get to +1 buy-in or +$5K.


I've been on a terrible losing streak lately and these are the first two win streaks where I cashed out ahead in over a $70K loss with $5K session buy-ins. I'm getting desperate just to cash-out ahead on a session. I've got to say the computer has cranked up the level of difficulty to extreme.

Hit my win goal in 210 hands, +10 buy-ins or +$50K+, in this case just under +$55K. I'm back up to $230K from $130K in 2 nights. I was winning about 50.5% of the hands including pushes, 55.5% excluding pushes. Top bet was $3,000/hand.

Just played 476 hands of Deuces Wild VP in an hour on the Roku 3 home game and finally hit the 5 of a kind for 75 credits, and I'm down $16.25 or 65 credits. So with $595 coin-in and a $16.25 loss, that's an RTP of 97.27%. Pay table is 4,000; 1,000; 125; 75; 45; 25; 15; 10; 10; 5. Just needed an extra straight flush, four of a kind, and 3 of a kind to break even. I didn't get that many straight flushes. I did get a few quads which I'm not used to seeing on the Double Double Bonus game.
I'm not used to going an hour without losing 100 to over 200 credits, maybe this is the game I should play at the casino, or maybe this was just a semi-decent session without the usual 8% HA. I guess I was down about 9.4% (140 credits) before I hit the 5 of a kind, so there's that.

Just played 532 hands of Deuces Wild in 62 minutes on the Roku 3 home game and finally hit 5 of a kind for 75 credits. This time I'm down $160 for the session. I was up to just over $300, now I'm down to just over $140 on this session alone. So with $665 total bet and $505 returned to me, that's an RTP of 75.94%. I usually call it a session when I hit a 75 credit or better win on this game. There's been other times where I've hit a 75 credit win in 52 hands for a $6.25 win and an RTP of 109.6%; I even hit the Wild Royal Flush for 125 credits in 63 minutes one time for a session loss of $6.25 after 538 hands for an RTP of 99.07%.

Considering I'm still down $1,756.25 after betting $25,365 in 20,292 hands for an RTP of 93.07% over different games (machines), I'm losing 8.65 cents per spin times thousands; but it's an improvement over the 10 cents per spin I was losing. Maybe that's why Deuces Wild is a better game for me.

It just looks like VP is a waste of time unless I'm trying to rack up W-2G's on the $5 VP machine in the high limit lounge. Even so, I'd have to get 4 Deuces (1,000 credits) or a Natural Royal Flush (4,000 credits) to get a tax form on this game on a $5 machine ($25/spin). Playing Double Double Bonus Poker with so many wins of 250 credits or more for quads or better will generate at least the minimum $1,250 tax forms; at least until the IRS raises the threshold for tax forms to something inflation-worthy like $6,000; then I'd only have to worry about hitting for $10K or $20K on the top 2 jackpots.

Just hit a quads win for 250 credits on Double Double Bonus Poker in 37 hands, up $51.25 for that session, or an RTP of 210.8%.

If I'm hitting 500 hands an hour on this game, and I've played 20K hands, that's 40 hours of play. Just need to double that to 80 hours for a shot at the Royal on any machine.

After losing $90K on $10K buy-ins and only winning (cashing out) twice along the way for a total win of another 3 buy-ins, I'm down 300 bets with only a minor reprieve to the upside for those small wins. There was one point early on where I was up $90K (I broke the $400K balance barrier), but I was hoping to get an extra $10K out of it before cashing out but the bottom fell out. There was another point where I was down $60K and won it back but failed to cash-out because I thought I could get another $40K out of it but the bottom fell out. I don't think this win graph is accurate for the 5,155 hand session I just had, it seems to be missing some peaks and valleys that maybe don't have the resolution in this type of graph when there's so many hands and so short of a transient.


I had some unusual losing streaks with the dealer running up long winning streaks.


Lately I've made my debut at actual BJ tables this decade and with a short bankroll, I've been buying in for 15 bets instead of 25 bets. The dealer trays are running low so even getting 10 bets worth of reds with some backup greens seems to make the dealers want me to color up reds whenever possible or they will give me a green chip on a $20 bet win and it confuses me when I have to grab another red chip so my bet stays at $20.
So last night I made up new charts for how to have smaller sessions based on a 15 bet buy-in and winning 12 bets ahead for a cash-out win goal. These should be good for 0.5 to 3.0 hour BJ sessions but could go on longer. If I win a session, I move up a level about 50% higher and start another session. If I win 4 sessions in a row, I'll have won about 10+ times my original buy-in, then I get to do it again. If I do it twice, I'll have 20+ times my original buy-in. 20 times 15 bets is 300 bets. I mean I could go on and try to win 10 sessions in a row and keep going up if I have the luck. It would put me into 5 figures quickly. But if I lose a session, I have to start a new session with the previous sessions' buy-in. So while I may win 4 sessions ahead, they could be lost with a 60 bet losing streak. If I just consolidate my win after 4 sessions, I'd have 150+ bets. If I'm feeling adventurous later on I may continue on past 4 sessions ahead before repeating, but I'm just trying to scrape together a small bankroll without a big loss at this point.
So I tried the home game version of this. I started at $215K with a $4.5K buy-in, and ran that up to a $6K win. Next session was a $6K buy-in and ran that up to a $9K win. Next session was a $9K buy-in and ran that up to a $12K win. Next session was a $12K buy-in and ran that up to an $18K win. So a $45K win over 4 sessions and ready to start another set of 4 wins with $4.5K X 10 buy-ins as backup. These 4 sessions were over 762 hands and I did lose the 2nd session so I had to repeat the first one over again. I finished the 4 sessions at a just over $260K balance.
Here's a graph of how this looked.


For comparison here's the streaks chart for that session.


I'm adding this strategy to my craps game since getting big wins on the PL is ridiculously slow and hard. Just having smaller buy-ins and smaller win goals, maybe in 4 nights I can string together 4 winning sessions with double odds on the PL or DP. With $90 buy-ins that means $2 on the line and $4 odds to start with on the bubble craps machine, or $6 bets with no odds on a real table. If I win 4 sessions ahead I'll be up $900. I've got this figured out to get me to a million dollars at the local casino in 80 sessions. I've got a feeling I may just stymie myself with sub-$10K cash-outs for awhile when I get halfway there. It also depends on how much heat the casino is going to put on me. They've shut down a table before on someone who won $30K in one night at the craps table.

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Norms Demo software removes all fives and replaces them with sixes what is
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In my calculation, the Player EV goes from -0.64% to +1.89% -without any changes to Basic Strategy. Of course, the player should never hit a hard 16 vs 7-A; that strategy would help player even more.

I never knew I was playing a +EV game, I was just trying to save the $100 or whatever on buying the software. It might explain my positive luck on this game over the long haul. Card counters are always trying to get that extra +1% EV on the regular game. All they had to do was keep it in demo mode and not count cards. So my other BJ home games seem to be a bit tougher but I can still beat them on occasion. But with the Bell Curve shifted over 2.5% to play regular games, being on the winning side may be much more difficult than I was experiencing in Demo mode on this game. Throw in another -1.5% EV for 6:5 BJ and it just seems to be on the impossible side. I just surrendered with a 15 against 9, 10, A and a 16 against a 10. So maybe my +EV wasn't bigger than as Gordon calculated.


I'm beating the card counters on my home game, but it's probably a very inaccurate statistic because I don't bet like they do. But being 34 SD ahead would qualify as something out of the ordinary, maybe even MDawg-like, lol.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/39243-my-dice-influence-data-1000-rollls/#post929402



Today's update has me winning $230K out of $34.45 million total bet in 61K hands for a win rate of 0.67%. Seems I needed a boost to keep on going. I'm losing 1.22% from Gordon's number. If I had won to $650K ahead, I'd be up at Gordon's number by now. I think in the first installation of the game I was breaking $1 million by 30K hands (100 hours of 300 hands/hr table time). From 2 years ago I had $31.8 million in total bets over 33.76K hands and was up $1.25 million for a win rate of 3.93%. If I subtract the 2.5% advantage I had, I would have only been up $450K on the first installation. But really my strategy relies on upward win streaks of significance and it's hard to factor that into my results.

I started watching this video and immediately hopped on my Roku 3 to play Double Double Bonus Poker while listening. I should have been watching the video. They advertise 500 free hands. I don't know what to do with that or how much they charge to play after that, but here's the video. I played for too long, wondering if I'd ever get my quads to end the session. After 35:36 and 253 hands I hit 4 deuces with a Jack for a $100 win and ended the session down $1.25.

Learn to Play Double Double Bonus Part 1! 5 Misplayed Hands - The Jackpot Gents

Playing various video poker on my Roku 3, and I've hit the $2K loss mark at 28,082 hands played with a lifetime total bet of $35,102.50 and lifetime total winnings of $33,102.50. This is not a progressive JP sort of game, so I need two $1,000 Royal Flushes in the next two hands to get back to even; not gonna happen. The RTP so far is 94.3%, and I've never been ahead except maybe during the first hundred hands. The RTP is rising as a percentage the longer I go, but I'm still on a downward trend with the amount lost. I had one $500 win and that brought me up for awhile and I've lost it back quickly. I'm losing $100 in half an hour at this game even without a quads hit for 250 quarters; I might get up to an hour of play on $100 if I do hit the 250 coin quads JP.
At about 600 hands an hour using my remote control with rechargeable batteries, that divides into 28K hands as 46.67 hours of play. I would have lost 20X $100 bills in this machine by now so that averages out to 2.33 hours per $100 bill, but as I said, it goes much faster until there is a bigger JP won.

I've been playing WinCraps for a couple days trying to brush up on a 3 point Molly strategy. I tried $20 PL & 2 Comes with 3X, 4X, 5X odds and found I need hot shooters for that to work and there aren't enough of them often enough. So in order to replenish my dwindling bankroll, I played $500 PL with 2X odds and 2X $500 Come bets with no odds. It went down badly, but I must have had a few winning shooters because I won around $15K pretty quickly (74 rolls).
So I'm gonna try $2 PL with $4 odds and 2X $2 come bets for an estimated allotment of $10 per shooter and start with 15 rounds of that for $150 on the bubble craps machine. I got wiped out recently at BJ so I have to see about getting back in the game with small wins on the bubble craps and free play again.

Played again on WinCraps and tried $500 PL with 2X odds and $500 on the 2X Comes, and LOST over $30K! I tried to switch to a 3 Point Dolly using the same amount on bets and I came up around $15K but lost it back and then some. The point 7-outs on this game rules, except for sometimes when a hot shooter comes along and that's always a setback for the darkside.
I switched up my bets to $300 on the DP with $900 odds, and it was working but it didn't seem enough to gain the ground I lost, so I doubled the odds again to $1,800. If I won 3 odds bets in a row, I'd press the odds $600 until I hit $3,600 odds then stick with that until a loss on the odds bet then reset to $1,800. Also I switched sides if I lost the DP odds bet twice on one shooter for the remainder of that shooter. So basically I'm betting $2,100 on the felt with a few presses for the winning streaks. I won over $43K back in 524 rolls! This is why I like this strategy, especially on WinCraps because it is so negative and cold to me. Maybe at a real table where I can't throw for points this would work. I would raise my overall bets on the way up, but I didn't want to trigger the game into setback mode while I was in comeback mode.

Playing Double Double Bonus Poker on my Roku 3 again. Played for 20 minutes and 196 hands and lost $100 at $1.25/hand. That's a total of $145 won divided by $245 bet = 59.18% RTP. I'm setting new personal records for bad luck at this game since I've lost near $800 on this game straight after a $500 win put me up near an $800 balance and I'm back down to $50. I'll have to get $100 refills soon and add to my $2.3K debt coming up on 30K hands. I'd only get $0.40 of tier points for that kind of betting action this session at my local casino. For 30K hands, that'd be about 1 basic quads win in points (250 coins).

Playing Double Double Bonus Poker on my Roku 3 again and finally hit a Royal Flush for the first time ever. I was holding the Jack & King of Spades as the two outside cards, and the 10, Queen, and Ace filled in the middle spaces. I was about to quit this session. I started at $50, won a quads 6's earlier at 51 hands in and ran it back down to my 2nd to last bet before quitting at $50 again. So on the 228th hand of this session I hit the Royal, but long term it was hand number 29,526; and my total loss is $1,250.00. Lifetime bet is $36,907.50, winnings is $35,657.50 for an RTP of 96.61%. I'd need another Royal and 4 Aces with a 2, 3, or 4 for $500 to pull ahead at this point.

I played some more and got a quads Kings and played that down until my credit meter was at $1,050 and quit on hand 412 of the session. Basic quads only get me up to a couple hundred extra hands on this thing.

Played some UTH (Ultimate Texas Hold'em) at the Wizard's site at https://wizardofodds.com/play/ultimate-texas-hold-em/
I was trying out a new progression I just made up. Fairly early on I won 11 in a row and got to the max bet of $100 on the Ante and Blind for $50K aggregate payout tables.
I started out with $15 on the Ante & Blind & $10 on the Trips. If my Play bet wins with one exception, I'll advance on the progression. The one exception is if the Dealer didn't qualify and I only played 1X on the Play bet and it won then I won't advance on the progression.
So my Ante/Blind bets went up based on the minimum amount a 2X win on a Dealer not Qualified win would be or a 1X amount on the Dealer is qualified amount would be. Except for the 1st step where I'm a couple red chips short, the other points in the progression are met.
The progression was $15, $20, $25 with a $10 Trips; then $30, $35, $40, $50 with a $20 Trips; then $60, $70, $80, $100 with a $40 trips.
Some of the local casinos only have a $25K payout and may limit the bets to $50 instead of $100. In those cases I could get by with a 7 in a row progression.

So on the game play at the website, I was down a little bit from $5K but came up to $6680 at the end of the progression and folded with $240 in bets.
Typically, when I get $500 ahead, I double my base bet to $30 on the Ante/Blinds and $20 on the Trips, so I'd have 3 fewer steps in the progression.
When I get to $1500 ahead, I triple my base bet to $45 on the Ante/Blinds and $30 on the Trips. I have another progression chart for those numbers. It's $45, $60, $75 on the Ante/Blinds with $30 Trips and $90 on the Ante/Blinds with $60 Trips.

I maxed out my betting at $90 Ante/Blinds with $60 Trips and reached my win goal of $8,000 ($13K - $5K). I would typically buy-in with $2.5K and leave with $10.5K at a casino under these circumstances.
A quads win would pay $900 on the Blind and $1,800 on the Trips and $90 on the Ante and $360 on the Play for a total of $3,150; but I didn't anything like that this session. I've been getting $1,020 from Full Houses. I tried to bet more than $100 on this game and it won't do it.



I kept playing at my max bet of $90/$60 to see how far I could get. I got up to $15K but fell to $8K and recovered to $14K but then the Dealer Bad Beat Mode set in and the bad luck was getting worse and worse until eventually I lost all $15K on the way down. I normally would reduce my bets on the way down, but I was testing the cards to see how it goes near max bet. If the minimum folding bet is $240 and the max total losing bet is $600, it's easy to see the thousands digits go down quickly. What's jarring is the occasional full house or flush was nowhere near enough to offset this run of bad luck. I guess I had my good luck getting to $13K the first time and cashing out and starting new $2.5K buy-in sessions with that is what is supposed to happen instead of pushing my luck at max bet, but this is a free web game so I don't care as much.
Losing $15K at $90/$60 is the same as losing $2.5K at $15/$10.

I ran across a video explaining a new to me craps strategy but I didn't quite like it so I developed my own based on that on WinCraps and lost so badly as only WinCraps can do to me. It involves only Place/Buy bets. I place the 6 & 8 for $360 each. If one of them hits, I parlay to $780. If the other number hits before the $780 hits, I bring both bets down and collect the wins and re-up my $360 PB on the 6 & 8. If I get a hit on the $780 parlay, that pays another $910 for a total of $1690. Then I disperse that across the rest of the numbers. I buy the 4, 5, 9, & 10 for $300 each and fill in the $360 on the 6 or 8 bet that just won, and pocket the remaining $130. Then I do my regular progressions on each of those numbers instead of press and collect as shown in the video.
What's really bad are the short rolls and the never spreading the bets across and collecting anything. It takes monster rolls to collect anything substantial, in the meantime I'm losing shooter after shooter like I should be laying all these numbers instead of placing them. I lost around $15K with this strategy in around 500 rolls, I included a graph below which shows barely any substantial upswing from serious progressions on monster rolls.
It might also explain why just betting the 6 & 8 doesn't work out in normal times because the numbers don't hit enough relative to 7-outs. I'm loading up my DP with 2X odds strategy for my next visit to the casino.



I did have one shooter that was up $12K including $4.5K on the felt when a 7-out came after around 28 rolls. But I lost another $10K and I'm back to a $100K balance and quitting this strategy. I even tried to let both numbers parlay and collect on the second one, and the 7-outs were quick on the heels of collecting on that 2nd one so spreading across a 2nd time was not quite a good move. I even collected when the 4 & 10 hit the 2nd time each for $1200 instead of doubling my bet. I'm losing $720 on each early 7-out and there were far too many to count. Also, when I delay spreading across to collect on the parlay, the shooter's turn is that much closer to ending. The point of this strategy was to reduce the cost of buying bets across which invariably would get wiped out by early 7-outs just as well for cheaper. It seems like a neat idea. But when some strategies take 9 rolls to get over the 50% hump of profitability when the average shooter is at 8.5, well, turns are short and they may be shooting crap numbers all the way!

Hey, CC, I asked you this question on another thread, but no answer, so again, if an individual can beat the Wizard's carps simulation CONSISTENTLY 9 out of 10 times, can he do the same at the tables for real?

Win defined:
$15 table; $1,000 buy in; color out between $1250 and $1500.

Loss= color out at $300.

tuttigym

That's some EvenBob logic there to be winning 9 out of 10 sessions being up 83.3% to 166.67%% of your session money.
The dice are always turning against me so I've got no consistency in winning sessions. All I can do is plan a path for betting if the dice go a certain way for me.
At a live table, a lot comes down to who else is shooting and how my own luck as a shooter is faring. Some days everybody else is bringing me down and I have to make it up with 5 to 8 PL wins when I shoot. Other days I can't shoot to save anybody, especially myself, and the other shooters may not be doing so well themselves. When 10 shooters in a row can't hit a PB 6 or 8 when I'm betting on them, how is it my fault that the dice turned so cold? There's a lot more action on the PL or DP, usually. A shooter can make 4 points in 8 rolls and never hit a PB 6 or 8 before a 7-out. There's just bankroll whiplash everywhere I turn out there. I just hope that sometimes it turns in my favor and I pull ahead.

Just last night on my Roku 3 BJ game, I was at $1500, and fell to $1300, and won to $2,000 with a win goal of $4,000, but I lost back to $1,300 3 more times while peaking at $2,000 with +/- 15 bet swings. The session lasted 550 hands and I finished it at $1,000 with a loss of 15 bets from $1,500. In craps, 550 PL bets would take a lot longer, I don't know how long, but maybe all night.

Tried my PL progression from $600 and lost from $100K down to $90K. Switched it up to $100 PL with $500 odds and kept going down to $80K. Figured it was a Don't game and reverted to $100 DP and $600 odds then upped it to $300 DP and $600 odds and switched to PL with same bets after two DP odds losses on the same shooter, and reverted back to DP on the next shooter. I started to recover some from $80.9K to over $86.3K in about 190 rolls. I was almost back at $90K but had a couple adverse shooters (hits 2 points but not a third) knock me back.

Saw a video on Color Up and tried to adapt it to what I'm currently betting. It's a regression betting system, and I have never done a regression betting system, it's just not my thing. I do have a John Patrick book from quite awhile back but it's misplaced.
This regression on my WinCraps involves spreading $1,400 across as $150 buy bets on the 4 & 10, $250 buy bets on the 5 & 9 and $300 on the 6 & 8. after the come-out roll the puck is ON, then I wait to get one hit on any of those numbers, then I regress the inside numbers down to $150 buy bets on the 5 & 9 and $180 on the 6 & 8 (for $960 across). If I get one more hit on any number then I regress again to $100 buy bets on the 4, 5, 9, & 10 and $120 on the 6 & 8 except for the point number whichever it may be (for ~$540 across). Then after the next hit, I collect the bet and use it to fill in the point number bet. This is so that after two hits, if a 7-out comes, I will have reclaimed all my original $1400 or close to it. After 3 hits, I start using my usual progressions on my box numbers, but since I'd likely be doing this on a bubble craps machine in a casino with maximum bets of $400, I'll have to top it off there. I could hit the 10 multiple times but only collect a couple times on it because it was the point, so. I would not expect a dealer to do all this kind of work, and there's no buy bets for the 5 & 9 at the table and the vig up front at the table in my area raises the HA too much.. To be clicking the Buy button on WinCraps was too much work and probably resulted in quicker 7-outs.

Early on in the chart I made significant progress. I was up $7.3K in 196 rolls. Then the luck changed and the early 7-outs crashed my bankroll $1,400 at a time or less. Towards the end I could barely get my $10/$12 bets up across and get hit with a 7-out, over and over and over again. So out of the next 298 rolls I lost $4.5K.

For my check stacks on WinCraps, I've got a $30 stack which I use to top off my PB 6 & 8's with $150 on them to make $180, a $100 stack which defaults to $120 on the PB 6 & 8, a $150 stack which just goes across as $150, and a $250 stack which rounds up to $300 on the PB 6 & 8.

For a $25 table with $30 minimum bets, I have a $6 stack for topping off the PB 6 & 8 to $36 for the 3rd hit, a $30 stack for going across for the 3rd hit, a $45 stack for the 4 & 10 for the first 2 rolls, and it rounds up to $60 on the 6 & 8 for the 2nd hit, a $75 stack for the 5 & 9 that rounds up to $90 on the 6 & 8 for the 1st hit. I basically multiplied what I was betting in the session before by 3 and dividing by 10. That way my $30 minimums have more headroom for progressions with a $400 max bet on the bubble craps instead of going straight to max bet after 3 to 5 hits, but it seems hard to get 5 hits on this game per number like this.

On my home game, I'm just losing so bad I have to get ahead in tournament mode with big prizes and potential big losses. But here's a moment in time, today, where my negative count is $10 higher than the absolute value of my game play net. I usually play with progressions and the negative count is usually positive and the 0 count is near $0 plus or minus, and the positive count is hugely negative, in this case nearly double the loss of my negative count win. This is over thousands of hands but I don't have a hand count but I came up from a $5K start again. My computers keep crashing and I have to reinstall and start over. I don't buy in to card counters claims to wong out on negative counts, but I don't bet like they do and I don't count. My game play net could have been $50K to the positive but I didn't call a winning session a winning session and was immediately brought back down in a hurry after a winning streak. So I'm almost $50K in the red on regular play. I've been playing $10K & $20K buy-in sessions lately.
I'm going to rewrite my strategy soon and go after this game again.


I rewrote a new strategy for BJ on this game to get me from $5K to $1.25 Million by winning 3 sets of 4 sessions in a row. If I win a session, I advance to the next level and basically double my bets. If I bust out of the session, I halve my bets and go to the previous session out of the 12 listed. So I started the evening with around $230K and I was on the 10th of 12 sessions. I lost 25 bets and was down $100K and starting on the 9th session. I recovered on that one and won to $330K and switched back to the 10th session. I should have taken a screenshot of my stats but I didn't. I lost 35 bets on the 10th session and another 25 bets on the 9th session and another 25 bets on the 8th session. I only have to win 15 bets ahead to go up a session, but the computer game was set to destroy me. I fell to $60K and decided to play some $25K tournament games for several hours, and only won once then I started losing most of my $25K buy-ins for that inside of 25 hands dealt time and time again until I fell to $25K bankroll. I went back to playing my sessions starting with the 6th session and lost 25 bets there and lost another 25 bets on the 5th session and I was down to $12K, but I got a lucky streak going and won 50 bets back that got me to the 6th session with $30K, but I lost $10K back, so I'm going to quit on this sheet. I'll have to go back to my $1K buy-ins and I'll have 20 of those from $20K.
I got a stats screen after this mess.

Wasting time on my Roku 3 BJ game again and going for record quickness of losing my typical $500 buy-in. I can play it one of two ways, either as a $15 table or a $25 table. As a $25 table with a 15 bet buy-in, tonight's speed record was 38 hands in 3 minutes 25 seconds with a total bet of $1575 for a RTP of 68.1%. A few nights ago it was 550 hands in 55 minutes with a total bet of near $30K for an RTP of 98.23%

Vegas X requires a login, so maybe later when I feel like creating a login.
Playing my home game and I'm just appalled at how bad the dealer treats me. I'm not winning my hands like on the other game that had a slight player advantage I didn't know about. This one likes to take me down 10 hands at a time several times over, it's starting to be as mean as my Roku 3 BJ game, a futile waste of time. I have to believe real tables are nowhere near this bad but I don't have the money to find out. I get 15 bets ahead on a session and hang out for a dozen more hands to see if it goes anywhere and it does, straight down. Most times I can't even get to +15 hands in the session. This is just absurd. So I've lost 3 $1K sessions cumulatively after resetting the stats, but for sure there were more sessions than that because there were small windows of winning streaks that brought me from behind and wiped away a loss be it $1K, or $2K. I'll upload the stats for several hours of play. It shows I'm losing bad on 0 counts and positive counts and winning on negative counts. I think somebody mentioned splits and double downs are more frequent on negative counts and that may be why I excel with the small cards, but the dealer is winning on 19, 20, and 21 at maybe a 5:1 ratio, idk.