August 1st, 2023 at 4:58:14 AM
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But then gas prices could soar for the rest of the year and I need to win enough to pay for the gas if I'm travelling long distance for the cheaper tables. This may not work.

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$25 tables are the norm most everywhere now.

If there are $10 tables, expect them to be slowed with sidebets and crowds.

I wouldn't be surprised if a number of tribal properties will comp you a tank of gas, if your style of play allows for a club card.

May the cards fall in your favor.

August 5th, 2023 at 2:39:44 AM
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I was playing Pai Gow Poker for the first time at the Wizard's site. I got interested in the game after watching Victor win a session on YouTube recently.

I noticed I kept getting little nag screens that I can't raise my bet because I just became banker. What?

I had to dig more for information about Pai Gow Player Banker and ran across these items.

So while I was playing on the Wizard's site I got a push I didn't expect as I was a Banker. I clearly lost the high hand with high card vs. one pair, but the dealer pushed on my low hand.

I haven't seen any live casino videos of people going around the table being Banker, and a few references I ran across said you can't be Banker unless you have $30K on the table. Being Banker is supposed to lower the house edge to near 0% for those few hands that you play as Banker. From what I can gather it's about 3 wins to 3 losses to 4 ties per 10 hands.

I was getting stuck on player's paying a 5% commission on winning hands then I ran across this commission-free table Victor was playing at.

I had one session on the Wizard's site where I won about 10 hands ahead, lost 15 hands back, then won 15 hands again. So I'm thinking I could just play Pai Gow Poker without making the Fortune bet (Victor's luck on that is so bad sometimes, ouch!), and if I find a $20 table I could either bet the $5 minimum on the Fortune Bet, bet $0 on the Fortune Bet, or integrate it to 20%-25% of my regular bet until I hit the table max for the Fortune bet. But will I get to $30K with or without betting on & winning the Fortune bets? If I run across table maximums that are too low, I could just play 2 spots with double the session money. But I think I'll start expecting to win 10 bets ahead then calling it quits per gaming day.

I noticed I kept getting little nag screens that I can't raise my bet because I just became banker. What?

I had to dig more for information about Pai Gow Player Banker and ran across these items.

So while I was playing on the Wizard's site I got a push I didn't expect as I was a Banker. I clearly lost the high hand with high card vs. one pair, but the dealer pushed on my low hand.

I haven't seen any live casino videos of people going around the table being Banker, and a few references I ran across said you can't be Banker unless you have $30K on the table. Being Banker is supposed to lower the house edge to near 0% for those few hands that you play as Banker. From what I can gather it's about 3 wins to 3 losses to 4 ties per 10 hands.

I was getting stuck on player's paying a 5% commission on winning hands then I ran across this commission-free table Victor was playing at.

I had one session on the Wizard's site where I won about 10 hands ahead, lost 15 hands back, then won 15 hands again. So I'm thinking I could just play Pai Gow Poker without making the Fortune bet (Victor's luck on that is so bad sometimes, ouch!), and if I find a $20 table I could either bet the $5 minimum on the Fortune Bet, bet $0 on the Fortune Bet, or integrate it to 20%-25% of my regular bet until I hit the table max for the Fortune bet. But will I get to $30K with or without betting on & winning the Fortune bets? If I run across table maximums that are too low, I could just play 2 spots with double the session money. But I think I'll start expecting to win 10 bets ahead then calling it quits per gaming day.

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August 5th, 2023 at 7:49:20 PM
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Playing on the Wiz's games site again and had 3 hands in a row that would have paid off had I been betting the Fortune Bet if there was one. I was betting $45 on the regular bet and if I was betting 20% of that extra on the Fortune Bet, or $9, that would have paid

25 to 1 or $225 twice for two 4 of a kind winners in a row and spread an Envy Bonus of $5 twice around the table. The third hand was a 4 flusher straight and would have paid $18 instead of $450 for a straight flush.

I didn't split the Kings in the first hand and pushed with an Ace-7. I did split the Aces in the 2nd hand. My rubbish beat their rubbish for low hand in the 3rd hand.

Winning the Fortune Bet would have brought me back to near even with the starting $1K bankroll, but I've lost track of how many hands wouldn't have paid anything to get this far, so maybe I'm ahead anyway by not betting the Fortune Bet.

I turned off the rotating Banker option early in the session because it was interfering with my betting style.

Continuing play - I raised my bet to $60 and ran across this head scratcher. I went against the prompt and played it anyway. Flush beats a straight they say. I guess my low hand was supposed to be 10-7 with a 9 high straight behind it. That would have been a push.

I'm on a roll of hot hands that would have made the Fortune bet a winner by now. It comes down to whether the hands are awful all the time or great much of the time. I'm losing most hands but the Fortune wins would have put me ahead. Fortune wins are the way to win when the dealer has an Ace-High Pai Gow to push the hand but the Fortune bet pays off.

I'm down to $30 bets now and with a 20% side bet of $6, a straight flush would pay off 50 to 1 or $300. I'm almost tapped out. I've read the wheel is the 2nd highest straight in this game, so just one notch lower than a Royal Straight Flush. Don't forget the $20 Envy payout around the table.

This session ended down about 25 bets. The bad beats never stopped.

I could play with or without the Fortune Bonus, but I'm thinking of all the good hands that would have paid and kept me afloat, I should bet the Fortune Bonus.

If 5 Aces is the proverbial "impossible hand" I've got to figure the ones higher than that are even more impossible, and they all are taxable.

I am really losing at this game badly. I've lost $1,000 four times tonight, so I'm down 100 bets. I thought maybe my beginner's luck on this would make a great alternative to BJ with that game's obvious slant towards losing hands at 60%. Seems I'm losing worse than that on this game. I've even tried progressions looking for 6 in a rows and 9 in a row wins, but as helpful as they are when they arrive, they aren't enough against this game. I'm beginning to doubt how good the Fortune side bet would be, but I'd have to use a progression on that that matched my regular bet, and same bet on a push. I'm sure a well timed win on the Fortune bet could make up for like 5 to 25 $1,000 session losses in one hand flat.

25 to 1 or $225 twice for two 4 of a kind winners in a row and spread an Envy Bonus of $5 twice around the table. The third hand was a 4 flusher straight and would have paid $18 instead of $450 for a straight flush.

I didn't split the Kings in the first hand and pushed with an Ace-7. I did split the Aces in the 2nd hand. My rubbish beat their rubbish for low hand in the 3rd hand.

Winning the Fortune Bet would have brought me back to near even with the starting $1K bankroll, but I've lost track of how many hands wouldn't have paid anything to get this far, so maybe I'm ahead anyway by not betting the Fortune Bet.

I turned off the rotating Banker option early in the session because it was interfering with my betting style.

Continuing play - I raised my bet to $60 and ran across this head scratcher. I went against the prompt and played it anyway. Flush beats a straight they say. I guess my low hand was supposed to be 10-7 with a 9 high straight behind it. That would have been a push.

I'm on a roll of hot hands that would have made the Fortune bet a winner by now. It comes down to whether the hands are awful all the time or great much of the time. I'm losing most hands but the Fortune wins would have put me ahead. Fortune wins are the way to win when the dealer has an Ace-High Pai Gow to push the hand but the Fortune bet pays off.

I'm down to $30 bets now and with a 20% side bet of $6, a straight flush would pay off 50 to 1 or $300. I'm almost tapped out. I've read the wheel is the 2nd highest straight in this game, so just one notch lower than a Royal Straight Flush. Don't forget the $20 Envy payout around the table.

This session ended down about 25 bets. The bad beats never stopped.

I could play with or without the Fortune Bonus, but I'm thinking of all the good hands that would have paid and kept me afloat, I should bet the Fortune Bonus.

If 5 Aces is the proverbial "impossible hand" I've got to figure the ones higher than that are even more impossible, and they all are taxable.

I am really losing at this game badly. I've lost $1,000 four times tonight, so I'm down 100 bets. I thought maybe my beginner's luck on this would make a great alternative to BJ with that game's obvious slant towards losing hands at 60%. Seems I'm losing worse than that on this game. I've even tried progressions looking for 6 in a rows and 9 in a row wins, but as helpful as they are when they arrive, they aren't enough against this game. I'm beginning to doubt how good the Fortune side bet would be, but I'd have to use a progression on that that matched my regular bet, and same bet on a push. I'm sure a well timed win on the Fortune bet could make up for like 5 to 25 $1,000 session losses in one hand flat.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Aug 6, 2023

August 17th, 2023 at 2:25:55 PM
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I'm trying out a new Paroli 4 hit system suggested by a new poster, monodactyl.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/38467-is-there-something-to-huge-paroli-bets-in-blackjack-or-am-i-just-getting-really-lucky/#post896410

My base bet is $300. On a win I double to $600, on the next win I double to $1.2K, then finally I double to $2.4K and maintain that bet until a loss. This works great when winning a lot at max bet! But there could be a 100-200 unit loss-wait between runs that put me well ahead. I played my typical session of at least 400 hands, well I cut it short a few hands because I ended up on a winning streak. I went from $80K to $115K early on then slowly lost down to $90K, so a 50 unit loss back. I bounced around between $90K & $100K until a final streak of double downs and such at max bet put me up nearly $15K at the end.

I did bet $225 one time because I misclicked on a drop down menu.

So the stats will be vastly different from what I'm used to.

Now I'm getting antsy to do full parlays of the double-ups I win; say $300 double to $600 wins $600 then there's $1200 in the spot for the next bet because getting to 4 in a row wins is hard. But scraping off the excess chips to a strictly double-up adds a unit or two or four here and there so I'm not sure which way to go. But it seems getting to $2400 quickest would be the priority, so maybe I'll try that on the next session.

I didn't use surrenders this time because I was trying to get these double-ups. Well, I did surrender a couple times early on then changed my mind.

It looks like I was down 9 units at the $300 level, up 3 units at the $600 level, up 30 units at the $1.2K level and up 84 units at the $2.4K level.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/38467-is-there-something-to-huge-paroli-bets-in-blackjack-or-am-i-just-getting-really-lucky/#post896410

My base bet is $300. On a win I double to $600, on the next win I double to $1.2K, then finally I double to $2.4K and maintain that bet until a loss. This works great when winning a lot at max bet! But there could be a 100-200 unit loss-wait between runs that put me well ahead. I played my typical session of at least 400 hands, well I cut it short a few hands because I ended up on a winning streak. I went from $80K to $115K early on then slowly lost down to $90K, so a 50 unit loss back. I bounced around between $90K & $100K until a final streak of double downs and such at max bet put me up nearly $15K at the end.

I did bet $225 one time because I misclicked on a drop down menu.

So the stats will be vastly different from what I'm used to.

Now I'm getting antsy to do full parlays of the double-ups I win; say $300 double to $600 wins $600 then there's $1200 in the spot for the next bet because getting to 4 in a row wins is hard. But scraping off the excess chips to a strictly double-up adds a unit or two or four here and there so I'm not sure which way to go. But it seems getting to $2400 quickest would be the priority, so maybe I'll try that on the next session.

I didn't use surrenders this time because I was trying to get these double-ups. Well, I did surrender a couple times early on then changed my mind.

It looks like I was down 9 units at the $300 level, up 3 units at the $600 level, up 30 units at the $1.2K level and up 84 units at the $2.4K level.

August 17th, 2023 at 4:17:18 PM
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I tried another session where I just doubled the double down wins, but that only affected 2 or 3 hands and was inconsequential to the totally bad losing streak this game perpetrated on me! ONLY ONE WINNING 4 in a row to be had out of 172 hands and ONLY ONE MAX BET WON OUT OF 7! I keep saying these computer games build me up with a winning streak only to tear me down the next time and this was the very next session! I'm hardly winning 28.5% of my hands, that has to be a near record low on this game for me for a session! I only had THREE $300 Blackjacks, compare that to the previous session of 15 BJ's!.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Aug 17, 2023

August 20th, 2023 at 11:29:40 PM
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Because the forum has been modified to include 50 posts per page instead of 10, I find myself posting on page 2 instead of supposedly page 10 or so.

I just played the Wiz's Pai Gow Poker game without any Fortune Bonus adventures. I played during a couple of hour long TV episodes of something on a streaming service and had some good luck. It was up & down and I can try to push my luck, and I did get higher, but I'm gonna post a win goal that I reached. I'm stopping at $3K up from a $1K buy-in for a $2K profit. I think that's at least 15 wins ahead even without counting the 5% discounts on each win which would make it higher. I could try to get to $4K or $8K or higher, but since I've been playing so long tonight I've got to lock in some profits. I'm not sure what to expect for upward swings on this game, but the cards can turn awful on a dime and result in too many dealer wins in a row.

I got up to $5K before dropping back an hour or so later.

I just played the Wiz's Pai Gow Poker game without any Fortune Bonus adventures. I played during a couple of hour long TV episodes of something on a streaming service and had some good luck. It was up & down and I can try to push my luck, and I did get higher, but I'm gonna post a win goal that I reached. I'm stopping at $3K up from a $1K buy-in for a $2K profit. I think that's at least 15 wins ahead even without counting the 5% discounts on each win which would make it higher. I could try to get to $4K or $8K or higher, but since I've been playing so long tonight I've got to lock in some profits. I'm not sure what to expect for upward swings on this game, but the cards can turn awful on a dime and result in too many dealer wins in a row.

I got up to $5K before dropping back an hour or so later.

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August 30th, 2023 at 1:12:36 AM
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Playing Buffalo 1024 Ways slots on demo mode at a website with play money. I get $5,000 to start with. There's all kinds of betting levels.

https://www.casino.org/games/free/

I started betting $4/spin and I was down a bit but got the 3 coins and in the 1st free spin round, got to 23 free spins and won $189.60 (or just under 50X my bet), and that brought me back above even. It was labelled as a BIG WIN!

I raised my bet to $6 for 50 spins and didn't get the 3 coins so I doubled my bet to $12/spin for another 50 spins round. I hit the 3 coins for 91 free spins. There were a lot of 2 coin wins adding 5 free spins to the total, and a very few 3 coin wins adding 8 free spins. I won almost 525X my bet! It was labelled as an ULTRA WIN!

Then I raised my bet to $40/spin and hit 4 gold coins across for 15 free spins to start off. I was already down over $2.6K from the last JP. I ran it up to 111 free spins! I was awarded a MEGA WIN that was about 290X my bet.

I didn't know what to do at this point, so I set my bet for $120/spin and set the auto spin for 100 spins again. I lost $6,675 or 55X my bet in the 1st 100 spins and ended up at $14,410. I lost another $4,476 or 37X my bet in the next 100 spins and ended up at $9,664. I lowered my bet to $80 then lost another $1,478 or 18X my bet in the next 100 spins and ended up at $8,186. Then it was another 68 spins before I hit the 3 gold coins and all I got was 8 free spins that won me $1,414 and I wound up at $8,240, or up $56 from the previous 68 spins. I tried another 100 spins at $80/spin and lost $2,864 or 35X my bet and ended up at $5,376.35.

I've never played this game before and there were only 3 handpays to worry about but they totaled $19,327.70 and I lost just about all of it back with reckless betting hoping the 3 coin free spin rounds would come around in 50 to 150 spins, but one took 368 spins to come around and it was a flat nothing burger. If I won 500X my $120 bet, I would have won another $60K.

https://www.casino.org/games/free/

I started betting $4/spin and I was down a bit but got the 3 coins and in the 1st free spin round, got to 23 free spins and won $189.60 (or just under 50X my bet), and that brought me back above even. It was labelled as a BIG WIN!

I raised my bet to $6 for 50 spins and didn't get the 3 coins so I doubled my bet to $12/spin for another 50 spins round. I hit the 3 coins for 91 free spins. There were a lot of 2 coin wins adding 5 free spins to the total, and a very few 3 coin wins adding 8 free spins. I won almost 525X my bet! It was labelled as an ULTRA WIN!

Then I raised my bet to $40/spin and hit 4 gold coins across for 15 free spins to start off. I was already down over $2.6K from the last JP. I ran it up to 111 free spins! I was awarded a MEGA WIN that was about 290X my bet.

I didn't know what to do at this point, so I set my bet for $120/spin and set the auto spin for 100 spins again. I lost $6,675 or 55X my bet in the 1st 100 spins and ended up at $14,410. I lost another $4,476 or 37X my bet in the next 100 spins and ended up at $9,664. I lowered my bet to $80 then lost another $1,478 or 18X my bet in the next 100 spins and ended up at $8,186. Then it was another 68 spins before I hit the 3 gold coins and all I got was 8 free spins that won me $1,414 and I wound up at $8,240, or up $56 from the previous 68 spins. I tried another 100 spins at $80/spin and lost $2,864 or 35X my bet and ended up at $5,376.35.

I've never played this game before and there were only 3 handpays to worry about but they totaled $19,327.70 and I lost just about all of it back with reckless betting hoping the 3 coin free spin rounds would come around in 50 to 150 spins, but one took 368 spins to come around and it was a flat nothing burger. If I won 500X my $120 bet, I would have won another $60K.

August 30th, 2023 at 3:00:56 AM
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I played a Grease slot machine for the first time at the same site as above, I was clear out on page 8 of slots. I started betting 10 Euros per spin or 0.50 on 20 lines with a starting buy-in of €1,000. I was down 26 units then I got to the pick a picture bonus and won €1,600 (alt+0128 for €). There's not much to win on this game unless you get to the bonus rounds, and waiting for that bonus round can be traumatic. So I put it on 50 spin autospin and after 14 spins and being down €7.50 from the last bonus balance of €2,340 I hit yellow Grease balls on reels 1,3 & 5 for the next bonus round. I chose the 12 free games in Better Shape Up Bonus and won €1,090 and that put me up to €3,422.50.

And while it was counting up it went from BIG WIN to MEGA WIN somewhere around €750-€900 as shown below.

My autoplay ended at €3,245 so I doubled my bet to €20 and played for 99 spins. I ended up at €1,770 for a loss of €1,475 or 73.75X my bet. Come again? I just bet €1,980 and lost €1,475 of it? That's a RTP of 25.5%! That's traumatic!

I lowered my bet back to €10 and I lost another €400 then got to the bonus round. I chose 4 Summer Nights Free Games and won €1,030! I was now at €2,260 and I raised my bet to €20/spin on 20 lines which is the maximum. I lost down to €2,205 and wound up with another bonus round in quick succession and chose pick a picture. I won €3,840 on that and was up to €6,045.

So I played another 99 spins at €20/spin and lost down to €4,955, or a €1,090 loss or a 45% RTP! Damn!

I played another 99 spins and lost down to €4,000, or a €955 loss or a 51.7% RTP! Damn!

So I quit the game at €4,000 left, but I could have quit after the last JP at €6K.

The soundtrack is catchy if you like Grease at all but I think it's mainly for tourists who will only play the machine to get a taste of it.

A couple of the JP's were not available which is odd, so I didn't hit those.

And while it was counting up it went from BIG WIN to MEGA WIN somewhere around €750-€900 as shown below.

My autoplay ended at €3,245 so I doubled my bet to €20 and played for 99 spins. I ended up at €1,770 for a loss of €1,475 or 73.75X my bet. Come again? I just bet €1,980 and lost €1,475 of it? That's a RTP of 25.5%! That's traumatic!

I lowered my bet back to €10 and I lost another €400 then got to the bonus round. I chose 4 Summer Nights Free Games and won €1,030! I was now at €2,260 and I raised my bet to €20/spin on 20 lines which is the maximum. I lost down to €2,205 and wound up with another bonus round in quick succession and chose pick a picture. I won €3,840 on that and was up to €6,045.

So I played another 99 spins at €20/spin and lost down to €4,955, or a €1,090 loss or a 45% RTP! Damn!

I played another 99 spins and lost down to €4,000, or a €955 loss or a 51.7% RTP! Damn!

So I quit the game at €4,000 left, but I could have quit after the last JP at €6K.

The soundtrack is catchy if you like Grease at all but I think it's mainly for tourists who will only play the machine to get a taste of it.

A couple of the JP's were not available which is odd, so I didn't hit those.

September 7th, 2023 at 1:45:04 AM
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I finally found a Fortune Pai Gow Poker place to play with play money.

I did OK for an hour, then the bottom fell out with like a dozen losses in a row not counting ties. I came upon a quirk in the game where it would pay me like a tie when I actually won. It happened a few times so I'll post them here. There's no Ace high Pai Gow that the dealer has that would cause a push.

The first one is an actual tie where my low hand was the same as the dealer's low hand so the dealer wins because he's the banker, but my high hand beat his high hand so I win that one. It's an L + W = P. Count up my $40 bet and return it to me as a +$40.

The next one I have 3 of a kind Queens beating 3 of a kind 8's, and Ace-King beating a 9-5. I should get a +$80 back in my betting spot but the site called it a tie. I was betting $8 on the Fortune Bonus and won 4 for 1 or +$32. In the lower right you can see my total bet was $48. The win amount on the bottom is added to my balance after the hand is discarded when I click on my winning amount in the center large rectangle.

What should have happened in the previous screenshot was I needed a +$80 in the betting spot when I win both hands.

I did hit 4 of a kind and won a 26 for 1 Fortune Bonus on my $8 bet. I'm not sure if I should decouple my Fortune Bet amount from my regular bet amount and have 2 stacks of chips at the table and play them separately. When I'm stuck with just a score on the internet I can't really decouple them into 2 stacks without excess handwriting.

Here's another deal where I won both hands but got paid like it was a tie.

I lowered my bet for this one and still got ripped off with a tie instead of a win.

I'll have to find another place to play that doesn't have quirks like that. But this was the place that wanted real money, so I didn't click that button and played with play money.

https://www.vegasslotsonline.com/table-games/fortune-pai-gow-poker/

I did OK for an hour, then the bottom fell out with like a dozen losses in a row not counting ties. I came upon a quirk in the game where it would pay me like a tie when I actually won. It happened a few times so I'll post them here. There's no Ace high Pai Gow that the dealer has that would cause a push.

The first one is an actual tie where my low hand was the same as the dealer's low hand so the dealer wins because he's the banker, but my high hand beat his high hand so I win that one. It's an L + W = P. Count up my $40 bet and return it to me as a +$40.

The next one I have 3 of a kind Queens beating 3 of a kind 8's, and Ace-King beating a 9-5. I should get a +$80 back in my betting spot but the site called it a tie. I was betting $8 on the Fortune Bonus and won 4 for 1 or +$32. In the lower right you can see my total bet was $48. The win amount on the bottom is added to my balance after the hand is discarded when I click on my winning amount in the center large rectangle.

What should have happened in the previous screenshot was I needed a +$80 in the betting spot when I win both hands.

I did hit 4 of a kind and won a 26 for 1 Fortune Bonus on my $8 bet. I'm not sure if I should decouple my Fortune Bet amount from my regular bet amount and have 2 stacks of chips at the table and play them separately. When I'm stuck with just a score on the internet I can't really decouple them into 2 stacks without excess handwriting.

Here's another deal where I won both hands but got paid like it was a tie.

I lowered my bet for this one and still got ripped off with a tie instead of a win.

I'll have to find another place to play that doesn't have quirks like that. But this was the place that wanted real money, so I didn't click that button and played with play money.

https://www.vegasslotsonline.com/table-games/fortune-pai-gow-poker/

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Sep 7, 2023

September 28th, 2023 at 4:50:03 PM
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Calling a session double-up after 16 hands with an 11 in a row win streak. (+$10K)

Logs of getting from the $30K bankroll to the $200K bankroll.

Trip 1 win/loss graph: $30K starting bankroll after starting at $1K by mistake.

Trip 2 win/loss graph.

Trip 3 win/loss graph.

Trip 5 win/loss graph. Trip 4 utterly skipped and doesn't exist.

The dealer is usually beating the player on winning streaks of 3 in a row or higher.

Whatever I'm doing, I'm up 1.31% so far on $12 million bet during 34.2K hands. The >$2K bets are anything not listed and are likely below $2K, but a very few are above $2K.

Logs of getting from the $30K bankroll to the $200K bankroll.

Trip 1 win/loss graph: $30K starting bankroll after starting at $1K by mistake.

Trip 2 win/loss graph.

Trip 3 win/loss graph.

Trip 5 win/loss graph. Trip 4 utterly skipped and doesn't exist.

The dealer is usually beating the player on winning streaks of 3 in a row or higher.

Whatever I'm doing, I'm up 1.31% so far on $12 million bet during 34.2K hands. The >$2K bets are anything not listed and are likely below $2K, but a very few are above $2K.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Sep 28, 2023

October 25th, 2023 at 6:33:10 AM
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I'm on a new 3 Card Poker kick inexplicably. I'm going to copy a post of mine from that thread and put it here since it's so hot.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/1194-3-card-poker/#post905557

I found the game on the Wizard's site at https://wizardofodds.com/play/three-card-poker/

I started out with a $10,000 bankroll but kept my bets to a minimum to get a feel for the game. I tried betting just $10 on the Ante bet with a matching Play bet when called for and lost nearly $300 fairly quickly. So I switched it up to $15 on the Ante and $5 on the Pair Plus bet and $15 on the Play bet when called for. I won my $300 back but lost a couple hundred back. Then this happened. I won a straight flush vs a flush. I had a mini-Royal. I wonder if some tables pay for mini-Royals. The Wiz's site has no 6 Card bet. No 5 card Royal was won here. A 5 card straight flush (non-Royal) pays 200 to 1 or on a $5 6 Card Bonus bet would pay $200.

My $15 Ante bet paid $15 + $75; my Play bet paid $15; my $5 Pair Plus bet paid $200; and my $35 wager came back for a total of $340 Win in the box shown. That $1 progressive would have paid off whatever it was worth, but it hit very early.

I played a handful of hands more, like 5 maybe and hit 3 of a kind.

My $15 Ante bet paid $15 + $60; my Play bet paid $15; my $5 Pair Plus bet paid $150; and my $35 wager came back for a total of $275 Win in the box shown.

I doubled my bets and played for another half hour before I hit another 3 of a kind for myself.

My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $120; my Play bet paid $30; my $10 Pair Plus bet paid $300; and my $70 wager came back for a total of $550 Win in the box shown.

10 minutes later I hit a second straight flush!

My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $150; my Play bet paid $30; my $10 Pair Plus bet paid $400; and my $70 wager came back for a total of $680 Win in the box shown.

3 hands later I hit another straight flush. I had increased my Pair Plus bet to half of the ante bet or upped it $5 to $15.

My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $150; my Play bet paid $30; my $15 Pair Plus bet paid $600; and my $75 wager came back for a total of $885 Win in the box shown.

My computer crashed or shutdown involuntarily so when I got back my game had started over. I started out betting $50 on the Ante and Play bets and $25 on the Pair Plus bet. Within 10 minutes I hit another 3 of a kind. Real time table conditions would be much much slower.

My $50 Ante bet paid $00 (Dealer did not qualify) + $200; my Play bet paid $50; my $25 Pair Plus bet paid $750; and my $125 wager came back for a total of $1,125 Win in the box shown. I came back up $50 short of even.

When my Pair Plus bet is half of my Ante bet and I get a Flush but lose to the Dealer, at least I get a Push out of it and win back my total bet amount.

$25 Pair Plus bet pays $100 for a $125 Win with the winning wager returned. Total wagers were $125.

Flushes pay 4 to 1 in this old school game. Las Vegas tables have been lowered to 3 to 1. But if you're outside of Vegas, look for 4 to 1 payouts.

I upped my bets to $100 on the Ante/Play and $50 on the Pairs Plus. I was on quite the losing streak but hit 3 of a kind to get back to even.

My $100 Ante bet paid $100 + $400; my Play bet paid $100; my $50 Pair Plus bet paid $1,500; and my $250 wager came back for a total of $2,350 Win in the box shown.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/1194-3-card-poker/#post905557

I found the game on the Wizard's site at https://wizardofodds.com/play/three-card-poker/

I started out with a $10,000 bankroll but kept my bets to a minimum to get a feel for the game. I tried betting just $10 on the Ante bet with a matching Play bet when called for and lost nearly $300 fairly quickly. So I switched it up to $15 on the Ante and $5 on the Pair Plus bet and $15 on the Play bet when called for. I won my $300 back but lost a couple hundred back. Then this happened. I won a straight flush vs a flush. I had a mini-Royal. I wonder if some tables pay for mini-Royals. The Wiz's site has no 6 Card bet. No 5 card Royal was won here. A 5 card straight flush (non-Royal) pays 200 to 1 or on a $5 6 Card Bonus bet would pay $200.

My $15 Ante bet paid $15 + $75; my Play bet paid $15; my $5 Pair Plus bet paid $200; and my $35 wager came back for a total of $340 Win in the box shown. That $1 progressive would have paid off whatever it was worth, but it hit very early.

I played a handful of hands more, like 5 maybe and hit 3 of a kind.

My $15 Ante bet paid $15 + $60; my Play bet paid $15; my $5 Pair Plus bet paid $150; and my $35 wager came back for a total of $275 Win in the box shown.

I doubled my bets and played for another half hour before I hit another 3 of a kind for myself.

My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $120; my Play bet paid $30; my $10 Pair Plus bet paid $300; and my $70 wager came back for a total of $550 Win in the box shown.

10 minutes later I hit a second straight flush!

My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $150; my Play bet paid $30; my $10 Pair Plus bet paid $400; and my $70 wager came back for a total of $680 Win in the box shown.

3 hands later I hit another straight flush. I had increased my Pair Plus bet to half of the ante bet or upped it $5 to $15.

My $30 Ante bet paid $30 + $150; my Play bet paid $30; my $15 Pair Plus bet paid $600; and my $75 wager came back for a total of $885 Win in the box shown.

My computer crashed or shutdown involuntarily so when I got back my game had started over. I started out betting $50 on the Ante and Play bets and $25 on the Pair Plus bet. Within 10 minutes I hit another 3 of a kind. Real time table conditions would be much much slower.

My $50 Ante bet paid $00 (Dealer did not qualify) + $200; my Play bet paid $50; my $25 Pair Plus bet paid $750; and my $125 wager came back for a total of $1,125 Win in the box shown. I came back up $50 short of even.

When my Pair Plus bet is half of my Ante bet and I get a Flush but lose to the Dealer, at least I get a Push out of it and win back my total bet amount.

$25 Pair Plus bet pays $100 for a $125 Win with the winning wager returned. Total wagers were $125.

Flushes pay 4 to 1 in this old school game. Las Vegas tables have been lowered to 3 to 1. But if you're outside of Vegas, look for 4 to 1 payouts.

I upped my bets to $100 on the Ante/Play and $50 on the Pairs Plus. I was on quite the losing streak but hit 3 of a kind to get back to even.

My $100 Ante bet paid $100 + $400; my Play bet paid $100; my $50 Pair Plus bet paid $1,500; and my $250 wager came back for a total of $2,350 Win in the box shown.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Oct 25, 2023

December 7th, 2023 at 4:14:18 PM
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I got a bit flustered and thought I'd play the Field bet (12 pays triple) on a progression of $100, $150 (2X), $200, $300 etc. but it never got above $300, aka no more than 4 wins in a row. So in 254 rolls with no other bets and not stopping for come-outs I lost 50 units or $5,000 (from the dotted red line on to the right on the graph). To the left of the dotted red line I was getting mostly nearly point 7-outs and lost about 50 points (PL with some odds) from the upper left of the graph. WinCraps does not let up on the bad streaks. I mean I won to 20 points ahead the night before, so I thought I had a system all ready for today. I even added $15 side bets on the 4 and 10 to run up a progression. What's fun about those is that I could win each one 3 times and win the same $140 as hitting one of them 4 times and hitting the other once. That's as far as I got. But when everything is point 7-out, it's just $30 wasted each time because they don't even get a single hit. Just trying to figure out a way to win $9.4K times two for hitting the 4 & 10 10 times each on one shooter.

I lost another $1,000 playing variously. The following graph is a continuation of the bad luck but to the right of the red line is where the dice turned around and rewarded my DP with some odds (two DP with odds bets per shooter before switching sides to the PL with odds for that shooter). I was up maybe 15 points in 212 rolls and won back $673 to get back to even on the 2nd $1,000 session buy-in. I was betting $12 on the DP with either $12, $24, $36, or $48 on odds depending on my balance. Of course I'd bet higher if I get on the plus side of this session. But the main gist of this strategy is for $500 buy-ins and running it up to $6K with 35 points to my favor.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Dec 7, 2023

December 24th, 2023 at 8:59:12 AM
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Played MS Stud on the Wiz's site for several hours in 2 sessions of flat betting. I started out with the usual $50K bankroll and bet $10 antes with bets totaling up to $100 per hand over the 4 spots.

I hit quad 2's on a folded hand and won nothing.

Later, I hit a Full House for $1,000 and raised my balance to $48K after being down 300 X $10 units.

Then I lost patience and thought about high rolling it a bit. I tried a $50 ante for a few hands, and that would win me $50K with a straight flush if I had a full bet down of $500 on it. But I'm finding I may not have a full bet down on straight flushes and may miss a 3 bet or two. So I increased my ante to $125 so a $1250 full bet times 40 for quads would pay $50K which is the maximum payout at my local casino for this game. If I only had $500 down (4 X $125) on the full bet for a straight flush, that would pay $50K also. I quickly won back the couple thousand I was down and even hit a full house for a $10K payout.

But that was the last full house I saw while I lost $31K (-250 units) before winning the next $10K full house. Actually, I was down to $12.5K (-375 units) but had recovered with smaller wins in quicker succession before hitting this full house.

I lost another $5K quickly (-40 units) then won another $10K payout on a full house.

I made a couple smaller movements to $49K but lost back to $40K, like the machine knew not to let me get back to even.

Then the bottom fell out and there were no more full houses all the way down to $10K (-300+ units).

I hit quad 2's on a folded hand and won nothing.

Later, I hit a Full House for $1,000 and raised my balance to $48K after being down 300 X $10 units.

Then I lost patience and thought about high rolling it a bit. I tried a $50 ante for a few hands, and that would win me $50K with a straight flush if I had a full bet down of $500 on it. But I'm finding I may not have a full bet down on straight flushes and may miss a 3 bet or two. So I increased my ante to $125 so a $1250 full bet times 40 for quads would pay $50K which is the maximum payout at my local casino for this game. If I only had $500 down (4 X $125) on the full bet for a straight flush, that would pay $50K also. I quickly won back the couple thousand I was down and even hit a full house for a $10K payout.

But that was the last full house I saw while I lost $31K (-250 units) before winning the next $10K full house. Actually, I was down to $12.5K (-375 units) but had recovered with smaller wins in quicker succession before hitting this full house.

I lost another $5K quickly (-40 units) then won another $10K payout on a full house.

I made a couple smaller movements to $49K but lost back to $40K, like the machine knew not to let me get back to even.

Then the bottom fell out and there were no more full houses all the way down to $10K (-300+ units).

January 30th, 2024 at 10:42:15 PM
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I thought I would stop wasting time playing my Roku 3 Black Jack game but I still can't help myself. After several recent losing sessions this week I had a breakthrough. Tonight's starting bankroll was $515 and I played like I was at a $15 to $1,000 table. In 21 minutes and 14 seconds I played 163 hands and got my bankroll to $13,092.50 with a session bet of $46,605 and a session won of $12,577.50, or +27% return on the betting.

Now, since I'm over a $5,000 bankroll, the table limits of the game have moved to $100 to $5,000, so I've got to find a chart for that. I could do $3,250 sessions, but this game will put me on a never ending losing streak soon enough. That's the problem with this game. The table limits get pushed up too high and it wrecks the way I'd normally play. I'd still be playing on a $25 table if this were my game.

Here's an update on my cumulative totals today. 46,921 hands played. Total bet of $9,797,310. Total won of -$33,907.50. So I've knocked $12K off my losses in just a few shoes. The reason I actually have any losses is because I was given $500 free each day to play with and I lost it along the way. So $47K / $500 = 94 days of play.

I've had this game to over $100K before but it ran me through a never-ending losing streak down to $0. I think I was playing $10K sessions at the time, and a winner on any one of those would put me back up $100K. I'll see if I can do $3,250 sessions this time.

I lost the 1st $3250 session in 129 hands. I lost the 2nd session in 62 hands. I lost the 3rd session in 103 hands. I lost the 4th session in 513 hands. So all of those had an opportunity to get me to over $40K, but they went into never-ending loser mode instead.

Now, since I'm over a $5,000 bankroll, the table limits of the game have moved to $100 to $5,000, so I've got to find a chart for that. I could do $3,250 sessions, but this game will put me on a never ending losing streak soon enough. That's the problem with this game. The table limits get pushed up too high and it wrecks the way I'd normally play. I'd still be playing on a $25 table if this were my game.

Here's an update on my cumulative totals today. 46,921 hands played. Total bet of $9,797,310. Total won of -$33,907.50. So I've knocked $12K off my losses in just a few shoes. The reason I actually have any losses is because I was given $500 free each day to play with and I lost it along the way. So $47K / $500 = 94 days of play.

I've had this game to over $100K before but it ran me through a never-ending losing streak down to $0. I think I was playing $10K sessions at the time, and a winner on any one of those would put me back up $100K. I'll see if I can do $3,250 sessions this time.

I lost the 1st $3250 session in 129 hands. I lost the 2nd session in 62 hands. I lost the 3rd session in 103 hands. I lost the 4th session in 513 hands. So all of those had an opportunity to get me to over $40K, but they went into never-ending loser mode instead.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Jan 30, 2024

February 5th, 2024 at 9:06:35 PM
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My latest 22 sessions of Blackjack.

1st table is from $105K balance to $190K in about 7K hands.

2nd table is from $190K to $290K in about 5K hands.

The purpose of this is to mark down Winning and Losing sessions in anticipation of tax time.

This is a play money game in demo mode so not a real casino game. But to get a handle on how to figure out how to report wins and losses by sessions is how this is coming out.

1st table is from $105K balance to $190K in about 7K hands.

2nd table is from $190K to $290K in about 5K hands.

The purpose of this is to mark down Winning and Losing sessions in anticipation of tax time.

This is a play money game in demo mode so not a real casino game. But to get a handle on how to figure out how to report wins and losses by sessions is how this is coming out.

Lose | Win |
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-$4,987.50 | $32,850.00 |

-$5,100.00 | $35,475.00 |

-$4,825.00 | $95,700.00 |

-$5,137.50 | Cum = $164,025 |

-$4,950.00 | |

-$32,700.00 | |

-$5,250.00 | |

-$5,000.00 | |

-$10,750.00 | |

Cum = -$78,700.00 |

Lose | Win |
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-$10,375.00 | $21,175.00 |

-$10,030.00 | $10,000.00 |

-$10,025.00 | $10,000.00 |

-$10,450.00 | $102,750.00 |

-$10,100.00 | $7,125.00 |

Cum = -$50,980.00 | Cum = $151,050.00 |

February 7th, 2024 at 3:32:23 AM
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This morning's triple session: lost about 6% of $1/2 million bet over 812 hands, down $30K or 3X 25 unit buy-ins. That's getting near off the charts bad luck right there, near -4 SD for the last third of the chart.

This was played after this post was made: Blackjack Returns, where I tried to fathom the match bonus for online deposits with 50X playthrough for Black Jack.

My answer was: "You'll probably want to withdraw your original $1,000 when you get down to $1,000 if you want it back for something else. Flat betting at $5 is what you should be doing with $2,000 here." The OP was losing 6% over 500 hands and was wondering if the game was rigged. Hmmm, when I just lost 6% here, it looks rigged. It's more like the machine is not going to allow a Player winning streak to go unpunished and then some with extended Dealer winning streaks.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/38917-blackjack-returns/#post917425

This was played after this post was made: Blackjack Returns, where I tried to fathom the match bonus for online deposits with 50X playthrough for Black Jack.

My answer was: "You'll probably want to withdraw your original $1,000 when you get down to $1,000 if you want it back for something else. Flat betting at $5 is what you should be doing with $2,000 here." The OP was losing 6% over 500 hands and was wondering if the game was rigged. Hmmm, when I just lost 6% here, it looks rigged. It's more like the machine is not going to allow a Player winning streak to go unpunished and then some with extended Dealer winning streaks.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/38917-blackjack-returns/#post917425

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Feb 7, 2024

February 9th, 2024 at 1:22:44 AM
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Lost $10K in 120 hands, won it back starting a new session in the first 9 hands.

I lost 12% of my total bets in this round, double what I was complaining about last time.

Win rate was over 76%

I lost 12% of my total bets in this round, double what I was complaining about last time.

Win rate was over 76%

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Feb 9, 2024

February 18th, 2024 at 6:44:51 AM
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After sidling up to a roulette table to play for the very first time, I was at a $25 table and all I had were 2 green chips and two $25 Match Plays. I had to get them signed before use and I accidently gave him a drawing slip instead of my 2nd Match Play slip. So he had to sign that between my first bet and my second bet. The dealer exchanged balls before the first spin, and she looked away from the wheel as she was letting go of the ball. The first spin was a green 0 or 00. I was betting even money on the even numbers, so I repeated my bet and she exchanged balls again and spun a 4, so I won the second spin. That's -$25 on the 1st spin and +$50 on the 2nd spin for a grand total of +1 green chip on 2 spins.

I was figuring last night that if I hung around for 5 weeks or 20 Match Plays and the results were even such that if I were betting $50 all by myself, I'd be up $250 in a 10W-10L round of 20 spins because of the Match Play. Variance will move that dream, around.

So I got out my home game of roulette this morning and with my abacus counting the number of spins and a handheld calculator totaling up the total bet amount, I set out on a session to either lose $1,000 or win $1,000 within 50 spins using my (-13, +7) strategy. The starting bet amount was $120, the high bet amount was $180 for the last 3 wins to the goal, and I'd lower my bet amount to $80 if I fell below an $800 balance, and $60 if I fell below a $380 balance. I started the session with $1,040 instead of $1,000 even, and that did play into how this ended a little. This was a better session because I wasn't coming from far behind with lower bets. But it still ran 3X as long as I would have liked just to get to 7 bets ahead. There's slippage when I vary my bets and that adds to how many bets my final goal will require, and I don't really fathom that, it's just all or nothing on win/loss goals with these sessions.

After 158 spins, my total bet was $19,460, and I was up $1,080. So at 50 spins an hour in a casino, that'd be a 3 hour session. I was wondering what comps I could get for that with an HA of just over $1,000, probably $300, but if I was playing on a machine, it'd be more like $30 in points, and no tier points. But it's something to try if I want to stay on the mailer, maybe with a $500 session buy-in instead at the $25 table, or $250 at the $15 table. This session was more about a $50 minimum bet table, and trying to deal with $1,000 sessions.

The sign at the local roulette tables say Min $15 or $25 and Max of $100. I had to ask questions to find out what that meant. The Min number is how much the inside numbers need total up to in bets, or the minimum value of the outside numbered bets. The Max number is how much can be bet on a single number on the inside. I'm sure there's lots of math involved trying to figure that out at times. But in the ultra tiny print on the sign which I could barely read even with magnifying glasses on while I was right next to it, it said the dozens bet max is $2,500 and the even money bet is $5,000. For years I thought they just crimped the game with a $100 maximum bet on the outside. I had no reason to play at the table since the minimums went up with COVID, and a machine was brought in to supplement play.

I was figuring last night that if I hung around for 5 weeks or 20 Match Plays and the results were even such that if I were betting $50 all by myself, I'd be up $250 in a 10W-10L round of 20 spins because of the Match Play. Variance will move that dream, around.

So I got out my home game of roulette this morning and with my abacus counting the number of spins and a handheld calculator totaling up the total bet amount, I set out on a session to either lose $1,000 or win $1,000 within 50 spins using my (-13, +7) strategy. The starting bet amount was $120, the high bet amount was $180 for the last 3 wins to the goal, and I'd lower my bet amount to $80 if I fell below an $800 balance, and $60 if I fell below a $380 balance. I started the session with $1,040 instead of $1,000 even, and that did play into how this ended a little. This was a better session because I wasn't coming from far behind with lower bets. But it still ran 3X as long as I would have liked just to get to 7 bets ahead. There's slippage when I vary my bets and that adds to how many bets my final goal will require, and I don't really fathom that, it's just all or nothing on win/loss goals with these sessions.

After 158 spins, my total bet was $19,460, and I was up $1,080. So at 50 spins an hour in a casino, that'd be a 3 hour session. I was wondering what comps I could get for that with an HA of just over $1,000, probably $300, but if I was playing on a machine, it'd be more like $30 in points, and no tier points. But it's something to try if I want to stay on the mailer, maybe with a $500 session buy-in instead at the $25 table, or $250 at the $15 table. This session was more about a $50 minimum bet table, and trying to deal with $1,000 sessions.

The sign at the local roulette tables say Min $15 or $25 and Max of $100. I had to ask questions to find out what that meant. The Min number is how much the inside numbers need total up to in bets, or the minimum value of the outside numbered bets. The Max number is how much can be bet on a single number on the inside. I'm sure there's lots of math involved trying to figure that out at times. But in the ultra tiny print on the sign which I could barely read even with magnifying glasses on while I was right next to it, it said the dozens bet max is $2,500 and the even money bet is $5,000. For years I thought they just crimped the game with a $100 maximum bet on the outside. I had no reason to play at the table since the minimums went up with COVID, and a machine was brought in to supplement play.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Feb 18, 2024

February 28th, 2024 at 4:33:43 PM
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Just losing session after session today and a few days before. Of course when I have sessions where I'm losing over 25% of my total bet almost all the way through it, I'll lose that much faster. I'm down to $200K from $290K, so down $90K or 9 sessions or 225 bets. This session was only 105 hands.

March 1st, 2024 at 12:39:41 PM
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Had a 58 hand come-back and I'm gonna lock up some wins with a +28% profit to total bet session ($110K bet).

I was winning 62% of my hands excluding pushes.

I went from a buy-in that brought me down to $190K and won me back to $230K. I'm getting skittish about extreme bad luck runs following good luck runs like this especially after the shuffle and it's almost the end of the shoe.

The next session was with a new shuffle and lasted 59 hands with a loss of $10,775, or about -44% of my total bet of just under $25K. That must be a new record or close to one. I only won 27.45% of the hands excluding pushes.

Next session I was at my top betting level by hand #128 and split an $8K hand and doubled down on one for a $24K win on a $24K bet. When I swipe them off the betting spot it will put me over $300K. I thought I'd keep up with the top level betting just a little bit longer, but the bottom fell out and I lost the session.

I had 552 hands with a total bet of $916K and lost just under $10K for a net loss of -1.08% of the total bet on the below session.

I was winning 62% of my hands excluding pushes.

I went from a buy-in that brought me down to $190K and won me back to $230K. I'm getting skittish about extreme bad luck runs following good luck runs like this especially after the shuffle and it's almost the end of the shoe.

The next session was with a new shuffle and lasted 59 hands with a loss of $10,775, or about -44% of my total bet of just under $25K. That must be a new record or close to one. I only won 27.45% of the hands excluding pushes.

Next session I was at my top betting level by hand #128 and split an $8K hand and doubled down on one for a $24K win on a $24K bet. When I swipe them off the betting spot it will put me over $300K. I thought I'd keep up with the top level betting just a little bit longer, but the bottom fell out and I lost the session.

I had 552 hands with a total bet of $916K and lost just under $10K for a net loss of -1.08% of the total bet on the below session.

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March 9th, 2024 at 2:54:14 AM
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Came back from nearly last bet on demo BJ and won to $30K ahead, then lost 50 bets in one shoe and was back down to nearly the last bet again.

I can't get stats on how often the dealer gets BJ but 6 times in 10 hands is not far off the mark. I'm getting PTSD everytime I'm asked for insurance on the dealer's Ace now. I'm just getting flustered with the unbelievable wins the dealer is getting.

I've got a streak chart that adds up to a difference of 50, which doesn't make sense to me when my session was supposed to be for a 25 bet buy-in.

I was there too long and the clock malfunctioned after 5 hours. Since the time starts with -86.3K seconds, I'm gonna infer bad things happened. It doesn't move from there, the last two digits keep rolling around from 99 to about 30 and back again.

I've lost 15 sessions in a row, but I've had the chance to cash out at a profit a few times, I've not timed it right and the machine took over with a prompt losing streak each time.

The total bet amount was just under $1.23 million over 1.3K hands at $933/hand. The running average was just over $1K for a little bit but slid during the last losing streak. The HA on $1.23 million is $6,150 at 0.5%, so if my total bet gets to $2 million then the HA exceeds my $10K buy-in. At 2K hands at $1K/hand average that could happen. But there's no way to count my total bet at a real casino table or how many hands I've played or what the HA is, just how many hours I've been sitting there playing.

I can't get stats on how often the dealer gets BJ but 6 times in 10 hands is not far off the mark. I'm getting PTSD everytime I'm asked for insurance on the dealer's Ace now. I'm just getting flustered with the unbelievable wins the dealer is getting.

I've got a streak chart that adds up to a difference of 50, which doesn't make sense to me when my session was supposed to be for a 25 bet buy-in.

I was there too long and the clock malfunctioned after 5 hours. Since the time starts with -86.3K seconds, I'm gonna infer bad things happened. It doesn't move from there, the last two digits keep rolling around from 99 to about 30 and back again.

I've lost 15 sessions in a row, but I've had the chance to cash out at a profit a few times, I've not timed it right and the machine took over with a prompt losing streak each time.

The total bet amount was just under $1.23 million over 1.3K hands at $933/hand. The running average was just over $1K for a little bit but slid during the last losing streak. The HA on $1.23 million is $6,150 at 0.5%, so if my total bet gets to $2 million then the HA exceeds my $10K buy-in. At 2K hands at $1K/hand average that could happen. But there's no way to count my total bet at a real casino table or how many hands I've played or what the HA is, just how many hours I've been sitting there playing.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Mar 9, 2024

March 9th, 2024 at 10:14:46 PM
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Lowered my session buy-in to $5K so I'd have 30X buy-ins left out of $150K, but I'd likely lower my buy-ins as my bankroll gets smaller but I'd revaluate that later. Played 1427 hands in 3.75 hours or 380 hands per hour. I had two spots where I could have cashed in at a profit: of either $5K or $15K, but from the graph, there wasn't much plateau at those levels, just a sharp drop. I'm playing hundreds and hundreds of hands at lower bet levels going up and down, but when I get into profit territory, the machine just goes straight up and straight back down. Several times I was down to my last bet and recovered to my full buy-in. I wasn't using a progression on a win this time or on last night's post. It doesn't really matter if I use the progression except the machine seems to tighten up considerably when I use it and I can't get into profit territory as much but it does help me recover from last bet situations that turn favorable suddenly. The machine seems looser when I don't use it it. Check out this streak chart.

When I don't use progressions, I can play with this $5K buy-in at my local high limit room that has $100 - $3K BJ tables.

Damn, just overheard Lucy Ewing calling a casino looking for her father Gary Ewing (a dealer) at a casino on a rerun of Dallas S2 E9 on Freevee. She's an orphan at the Ewing mansion.

When I don't use progressions, I can play with this $5K buy-in at my local high limit room that has $100 - $3K BJ tables.

Damn, just overheard Lucy Ewing calling a casino looking for her father Gary Ewing (a dealer) at a casino on a rerun of Dallas S2 E9 on Freevee. She's an orphan at the Ewing mansion.

March 20th, 2024 at 2:46:18 AM
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Played $12 on the PL, PB 6 & 8 and odds ($10 odds on the 6/8) and ran a progression that really pays off when there's a hot shooter. But there was no hot shooter racking my progressions up to their limits. So out of about 500 rolls, I lost almost $1200, or 100 X $12. The power of Point 7-out is at play here because that's what WinCraps does to me after some beginner's luck.

I'm getting the feeling it is easier to lose to 25 times behind on the PL than to win 25 times ahead on the PL and a switch to the Don't Pass is in order. But as soon as I switch sides, the table heats up like never before so I'm just jinxed.

I'm getting the feeling it is easier to lose to 25 times behind on the PL than to win 25 times ahead on the PL and a switch to the Don't Pass is in order. But as soon as I switch sides, the table heats up like never before so I'm just jinxed.

March 22nd, 2024 at 2:20:55 AM
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Playing home game roulette and betting Black with a progression. The latest number picked is to the top left, then goes across the top row, then continues across the bottom row from left to right. So starting with the first black 35, I hit 6 in a row; then there was a red, then 2 blacks (I need 2 blacks in a row for this progression), then 9 losers in a row including 3 greens, then 5 blacks in a row including three 35's in a row! That's five 35's in 26 spins!

I'm kind of getting sick of my poor luck at bubble craps and thinking of trying a buy-in or two on the roulette machine for a couple of hours or more. It's about 54 spins an hour, so 3 greens an hour. If I ever get this strategy going, I don't know how I'll deal with 1,000 $5 or $10 chips at a real table after 2-3 hours if I win.

I started a session with around $650 with 25 bets to start. I'm running my progression. I was run down to about $200 but won back to over $1,500. I didn't get to my final win goal of $4,050, or even triple my buy-in at $1,950. So I kept playing for too long. Then I get streaks like this where reds make up 16 hits to 8 hits of black & 2 hits of green; I'm down 10 bets not counting the progression just on the colors.

I included an artist rendition of myself in this game. My name and money balance usually appear where Just Lost appears, so I usually edit/omit that out.

I'm kind of getting sick of my poor luck at bubble craps and thinking of trying a buy-in or two on the roulette machine for a couple of hours or more. It's about 54 spins an hour, so 3 greens an hour. If I ever get this strategy going, I don't know how I'll deal with 1,000 $5 or $10 chips at a real table after 2-3 hours if I win.

I started a session with around $650 with 25 bets to start. I'm running my progression. I was run down to about $200 but won back to over $1,500. I didn't get to my final win goal of $4,050, or even triple my buy-in at $1,950. So I kept playing for too long. Then I get streaks like this where reds make up 16 hits to 8 hits of black & 2 hits of green; I'm down 10 bets not counting the progression just on the colors.

I included an artist rendition of myself in this game. My name and money balance usually appear where Just Lost appears, so I usually edit/omit that out.

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March 22nd, 2024 at 8:56:33 PM
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Playing Roku 3 Video Poker and finally had a good night. I was up $300 at one point. $200 of the win was from being dealt quad deuces and a 4 but I forgot to save the 4 (I meant to save it after thinking about it but hit the wrong button) and drew an Ace and got the $200 win on Double Double Bonus Poker anyway. That's my highest win so far after 14,833 hands, and it put me up to $1,288.75 behind.

I got a straight flush for $62.50 at hand 14,981 that boosted me to $1,218.75 behind. I'm almost at $18,750 total bet which would be about $31.25 in points at $6/point, so the comps are virtually pointless except for a couple burgers or subs.

I got a straight flush for $62.50 at hand 14,981 that boosted me to $1,218.75 behind. I'm almost at $18,750 total bet which would be about $31.25 in points at $6/point, so the comps are virtually pointless except for a couple burgers or subs.

March 23rd, 2024 at 5:17:54 PM
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I played an extra session of DDB VP this morning and went an hour without hitting quads. So when I did finally hit it I was down $142.50 over 551 hands or $688.75 total bet, or down 20.7%! In this game it depends which quads I get. If it's the normal quads that pay $62.50 (250 coins), I would have been down $80 or down 11.62%. If it's the quads that pay 400 coins ($100), like this one was, I would have been down $42.50 or down 6.2%. If it was the quads that pay 800 coins ($200), I would have been up $57.50 or up 8.3%.

I've played for 2.33 hours before getting quads previously, so the losses would be much larger.

I've played for 2.33 hours before getting quads previously, so the losses would be much larger.

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April 5th, 2024 at 8:40:24 PM
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I played for an hour on Double Joker Poker, which should be worse than just Joker Poker, but I lasted longer for some reason. I lost $100 on each of them. I had 391 hands played on Double Joker Poker and 337 hands played on Joker Poker. On Deuces Wild I hit a 1,000 coin quad deuces in 64 hands. I was hitting a lot of quads on Double Joker Poker that pay more than on Deuces Wild, but I'd be losing $50 between hits on Double Joker poker if they weren't hitting in near succession.

Anyway, if I'm losing $100 in 400 hands, that's a 20% loss rate, near 23.75% for the 337 hand session. Yeah I could play another 40,000 hands, but I'll be down a few Royal Jackpots by then. So far I'm down about 8.75% after 18.5K hands. There's no need for me to expect that I'd do better on this bet than on a craps hardway 6 or 8 bet or something like that at this point.

Anyway, if I'm losing $100 in 400 hands, that's a 20% loss rate, near 23.75% for the 337 hand session. Yeah I could play another 40,000 hands, but I'll be down a few Royal Jackpots by then. So far I'm down about 8.75% after 18.5K hands. There's no need for me to expect that I'd do better on this bet than on a craps hardway 6 or 8 bet or something like that at this point.

May 9th, 2024 at 7:22:30 PM
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I got a bit addicted to playing Bingo Blackjack on Draft KIngs due to this thread.

SPLITTING 10'S AGAINST DEALER 2'S-6'S. at the start of the month.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/39114-splitting-10s-against-dealer-2s-6s/#post925105

There's a link to the free play money site from the Wizard's page that explains the game.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/bingo-blackjack/

I've been playing the game session after session with no luck and it looks like an absolute loser to me because the 20% vig for the Bingo bet just eats up my bankroll and 95% of the the time that I get a Match, I lose the Bingo bet anyway (a push is a loss too), so I'm losing more than 99% of my Bingo bets.

I would start with $500 sessions and see if I can score $5K on any of them, but it hasn't happened yet, I can't do better than double my money and lose it right back.

I figure it's just free play money so I'll start with a $2,000 session tonight. The first session was a free fall loss. The second session was the complete opposite but it turned around into a free fall loss. So I just made a chart for myself how to play this game to the limit from $25 + $5 bets to $2,000 + $400 bets, and it's supposed to get me from $2K to $42K. I got as high as $32K then it turned and after a few recoveries it stopped recovering and went straight down as these games typically do to me. I got from $6K to $32K back down to $2K in 1 hour flat. I had some early wins that boosted my bankroll with the Bingo bets. Lemme see if I have some screenshots available.

I made a max bet and it blanked out the chip stack so I couldn't bet anymore chips.

I had a chance to win $39,000 on one hand that would have put me at $65,975, but it was not to be.

I went on a losing streak of over $10K and had to lower my bet from $2K to $1.5K to $1K (plus Bingo Match bets) then I hit a BJ with a 10X Match and won $10K + my $1K bet back so that put me back to $29K. But within one minute I had lost that $11K back, but won another $9K Match!

Within the last 10 minutes I had lost down from nearly $30K down to $2K.

One time I had a Match of 5X on a BJ but the Dealer had an Ace and I was asked if I wanted insurance. I pushed the button to bet for insurance. It actually asked me it I wanted even money instead. So I thought I would get 5X even money but I only got even money. I forgot if the dealer had BJ.

SPLITTING 10'S AGAINST DEALER 2'S-6'S. at the start of the month.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/39114-splitting-10s-against-dealer-2s-6s/#post925105

There's a link to the free play money site from the Wizard's page that explains the game.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/bingo-blackjack/

I've been playing the game session after session with no luck and it looks like an absolute loser to me because the 20% vig for the Bingo bet just eats up my bankroll and 95% of the the time that I get a Match, I lose the Bingo bet anyway (a push is a loss too), so I'm losing more than 99% of my Bingo bets.

I would start with $500 sessions and see if I can score $5K on any of them, but it hasn't happened yet, I can't do better than double my money and lose it right back.

I figure it's just free play money so I'll start with a $2,000 session tonight. The first session was a free fall loss. The second session was the complete opposite but it turned around into a free fall loss. So I just made a chart for myself how to play this game to the limit from $25 + $5 bets to $2,000 + $400 bets, and it's supposed to get me from $2K to $42K. I got as high as $32K then it turned and after a few recoveries it stopped recovering and went straight down as these games typically do to me. I got from $6K to $32K back down to $2K in 1 hour flat. I had some early wins that boosted my bankroll with the Bingo bets. Lemme see if I have some screenshots available.

I made a max bet and it blanked out the chip stack so I couldn't bet anymore chips.

I had a chance to win $39,000 on one hand that would have put me at $65,975, but it was not to be.

I went on a losing streak of over $10K and had to lower my bet from $2K to $1.5K to $1K (plus Bingo Match bets) then I hit a BJ with a 10X Match and won $10K + my $1K bet back so that put me back to $29K. But within one minute I had lost that $11K back, but won another $9K Match!

Within the last 10 minutes I had lost down from nearly $30K down to $2K.

One time I had a Match of 5X on a BJ but the Dealer had an Ace and I was asked if I wanted insurance. I pushed the button to bet for insurance. It actually asked me it I wanted even money instead. So I thought I would get 5X even money but I only got even money. I forgot if the dealer had BJ.

May 13th, 2024 at 1:45:06 AM
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I've been trying desperately to find a Spanish 21 game to play because my basic strategy is so rusty on this game and the local tables have the lowest minimums. So I found Draft Kings has an online demo game at https://tinyurl.com/2amnz447 but it's usually only good for one session whether that be 10 minutes or 1 to 4 hours. Once I quit it resets the bankroll at $2,000, so I can't keep it going for days and months like I do with other home games.

This game has a Match the Dealer side bet which I always avoid, but since it's play money I thought I'd give it a try. I tried just straight $5 side bets then made them 1/3rd of my original bets so if a minimum payout of 3 to 1 came out it would at least match my base bet. But I'm losing far too many of these bets to make sense and it's just turning into a constant drain on my bankroll. I tried $30 + $10 for the minimum bet and jumped it to $45 + $15 and even $60 + $20 but the game seems to have a mind of its own in thwarting every advance I'm making upwards. I lost two $1,000 sessions playing with the side bet, then I started a new game without it. I started off pretty even and eventually started making progress. At some point I lost track of which thousand dollars I was supposed to keep track of and bet on so the credit meter became my whole session. I ran it up to over $7,000. I got a screenshot of it at $6,000. My maximum bet was just $450 today, far from the $7,000 allowed by the table sign. I guess I could have tried my luck and done double or nothing a bit at $7K and stayed at max bet. If I got to 20 bets ahead at max bet I'd have $140,000. But odds are I'd be right back at $0 before I ever got to $50,000.

I wasn't able to redouble down on this game, much less double double double down.

This game has a Match the Dealer side bet which I always avoid, but since it's play money I thought I'd give it a try. I tried just straight $5 side bets then made them 1/3rd of my original bets so if a minimum payout of 3 to 1 came out it would at least match my base bet. But I'm losing far too many of these bets to make sense and it's just turning into a constant drain on my bankroll. I tried $30 + $10 for the minimum bet and jumped it to $45 + $15 and even $60 + $20 but the game seems to have a mind of its own in thwarting every advance I'm making upwards. I lost two $1,000 sessions playing with the side bet, then I started a new game without it. I started off pretty even and eventually started making progress. At some point I lost track of which thousand dollars I was supposed to keep track of and bet on so the credit meter became my whole session. I ran it up to over $7,000. I got a screenshot of it at $6,000. My maximum bet was just $450 today, far from the $7,000 allowed by the table sign. I guess I could have tried my luck and done double or nothing a bit at $7K and stayed at max bet. If I got to 20 bets ahead at max bet I'd have $140,000. But odds are I'd be right back at $0 before I ever got to $50,000.

I wasn't able to redouble down on this game, much less double double double down.

June 3rd, 2024 at 10:40:08 PM
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Played my regular demo game without excess progressions for this session. The previous session I won 7 buy-ins or $35K in 416 hands.

This time I was trying to abide by my rule of quitting when I get past 400 hands and winning to at least +1 buy-in after that. I played 820 hands to get to +1 buy-in or +$5K.

I've been on a terrible losing streak lately and these are the first two win streaks where I cashed out ahead in over a $70K loss with $5K session buy-ins. I'm getting desperate just to cash-out ahead on a session. I've got to say the computer has cranked up the level of difficulty to extreme.

This time I was trying to abide by my rule of quitting when I get past 400 hands and winning to at least +1 buy-in after that. I played 820 hands to get to +1 buy-in or +$5K.

I've been on a terrible losing streak lately and these are the first two win streaks where I cashed out ahead in over a $70K loss with $5K session buy-ins. I'm getting desperate just to cash-out ahead on a session. I've got to say the computer has cranked up the level of difficulty to extreme.

June 4th, 2024 at 4:49:12 PM
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Hit my win goal in 210 hands, +10 buy-ins or +$50K+, in this case just under +$55K. I'm back up to $230K from $130K in 2 nights. I was winning about 50.5% of the hands including pushes, 55.5% excluding pushes. Top bet was $3,000/hand.

June 9th, 2024 at 9:20:54 PM
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Just played 476 hands of Deuces Wild VP in an hour on the Roku 3 home game and finally hit the 5 of a kind for 75 credits, and I'm down $16.25 or 65 credits. So with $595 coin-in and a $16.25 loss, that's an RTP of 97.27%. Pay table is 4,000; 1,000; 125; 75; 45; 25; 15; 10; 10; 5. Just needed an extra straight flush, four of a kind, and 3 of a kind to break even. I didn't get that many straight flushes. I did get a few quads which I'm not used to seeing on the Double Double Bonus game.

I'm not used to going an hour without losing 100 to over 200 credits, maybe this is the game I should play at the casino, or maybe this was just a semi-decent session without the usual 8% HA. I guess I was down about 9.4% (140 credits) before I hit the 5 of a kind, so there's that.

I'm not used to going an hour without losing 100 to over 200 credits, maybe this is the game I should play at the casino, or maybe this was just a semi-decent session without the usual 8% HA. I guess I was down about 9.4% (140 credits) before I hit the 5 of a kind, so there's that.

June 19th, 2024 at 2:56:01 AM
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Just played 532 hands of Deuces Wild in 62 minutes on the Roku 3 home game and finally hit 5 of a kind for 75 credits. This time I'm down $160 for the session. I was up to just over $300, now I'm down to just over $140 on this session alone. So with $665 total bet and $505 returned to me, that's an RTP of 75.94%. I usually call it a session when I hit a 75 credit or better win on this game. There's been other times where I've hit a 75 credit win in 52 hands for a $6.25 win and an RTP of 109.6%; I even hit the Wild Royal Flush for 125 credits in 63 minutes one time for a session loss of $6.25 after 538 hands for an RTP of 99.07%.

Considering I'm still down $1,756.25 after betting $25,365 in 20,292 hands for an RTP of 93.07% over different games (machines), I'm losing 8.65 cents per spin times thousands; but it's an improvement over the 10 cents per spin I was losing. Maybe that's why Deuces Wild is a better game for me.

It just looks like VP is a waste of time unless I'm trying to rack up W-2G's on the $5 VP machine in the high limit lounge. Even so, I'd have to get 4 Deuces (1,000 credits) or a Natural Royal Flush (4,000 credits) to get a tax form on this game on a $5 machine ($25/spin). Playing Double Double Bonus Poker with so many wins of 250 credits or more for quads or better will generate at least the minimum $1,250 tax forms; at least until the IRS raises the threshold for tax forms to something inflation-worthy like $6,000; then I'd only have to worry about hitting for $10K or $20K on the top 2 jackpots.

Just hit a quads win for 250 credits on Double Double Bonus Poker in 37 hands, up $51.25 for that session, or an RTP of 210.8%.

If I'm hitting 500 hands an hour on this game, and I've played 20K hands, that's 40 hours of play. Just need to double that to 80 hours for a shot at the Royal on any machine.

Considering I'm still down $1,756.25 after betting $25,365 in 20,292 hands for an RTP of 93.07% over different games (machines), I'm losing 8.65 cents per spin times thousands; but it's an improvement over the 10 cents per spin I was losing. Maybe that's why Deuces Wild is a better game for me.

It just looks like VP is a waste of time unless I'm trying to rack up W-2G's on the $5 VP machine in the high limit lounge. Even so, I'd have to get 4 Deuces (1,000 credits) or a Natural Royal Flush (4,000 credits) to get a tax form on this game on a $5 machine ($25/spin). Playing Double Double Bonus Poker with so many wins of 250 credits or more for quads or better will generate at least the minimum $1,250 tax forms; at least until the IRS raises the threshold for tax forms to something inflation-worthy like $6,000; then I'd only have to worry about hitting for $10K or $20K on the top 2 jackpots.

Just hit a quads win for 250 credits on Double Double Bonus Poker in 37 hands, up $51.25 for that session, or an RTP of 210.8%.

If I'm hitting 500 hands an hour on this game, and I've played 20K hands, that's 40 hours of play. Just need to double that to 80 hours for a shot at the Royal on any machine.

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July 1st, 2024 at 9:23:50 PM
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After losing $90K on $10K buy-ins and only winning (cashing out) twice along the way for a total win of another 3 buy-ins, I'm down 300 bets with only a minor reprieve to the upside for those small wins. There was one point early on where I was up $90K (I broke the $400K balance barrier), but I was hoping to get an extra $10K out of it before cashing out but the bottom fell out. There was another point where I was down $60K and won it back but failed to cash-out because I thought I could get another $40K out of it but the bottom fell out. I don't think this win graph is accurate for the 5,155 hand session I just had, it seems to be missing some peaks and valleys that maybe don't have the resolution in this type of graph when there's so many hands and so short of a transient.

I had some unusual losing streaks with the dealer running up long winning streaks.

Lately I've made my debut at actual BJ tables this decade and with a short bankroll, I've been buying in for 15 bets instead of 25 bets. The dealer trays are running low so even getting 10 bets worth of reds with some backup greens seems to make the dealers want me to color up reds whenever possible or they will give me a green chip on a $20 bet win and it confuses me when I have to grab another red chip so my bet stays at $20.

So last night I made up new charts for how to have smaller sessions based on a 15 bet buy-in and winning 12 bets ahead for a cash-out win goal. These should be good for 0.5 to 3.0 hour BJ sessions but could go on longer. If I win a session, I move up a level about 50% higher and start another session. If I win 4 sessions in a row, I'll have won about 10+ times my original buy-in, then I get to do it again. If I do it twice, I'll have 20+ times my original buy-in. 20 times 15 bets is 300 bets. I mean I could go on and try to win 10 sessions in a row and keep going up if I have the luck. It would put me into 5 figures quickly. But if I lose a session, I have to start a new session with the previous sessions' buy-in. So while I may win 4 sessions ahead, they could be lost with a 60 bet losing streak. If I just consolidate my win after 4 sessions, I'd have 150+ bets. If I'm feeling adventurous later on I may continue on past 4 sessions ahead before repeating, but I'm just trying to scrape together a small bankroll without a big loss at this point.

So I tried the home game version of this. I started at $215K with a $4.5K buy-in, and ran that up to a $6K win. Next session was a $6K buy-in and ran that up to a $9K win. Next session was a $9K buy-in and ran that up to a $12K win. Next session was a $12K buy-in and ran that up to an $18K win. So a $45K win over 4 sessions and ready to start another set of 4 wins with $4.5K X 10 buy-ins as backup. These 4 sessions were over 762 hands and I did lose the 2nd session so I had to repeat the first one over again. I finished the 4 sessions at a just over $260K balance.

Here's a graph of how this looked.

For comparison here's the streaks chart for that session.

I'm adding this strategy to my craps game since getting big wins on the PL is ridiculously slow and hard. Just having smaller buy-ins and smaller win goals, maybe in 4 nights I can string together 4 winning sessions with double odds on the PL or DP. With $90 buy-ins that means $2 on the line and $4 odds to start with on the bubble craps machine, or $6 bets with no odds on a real table. If I win 4 sessions ahead I'll be up $900. I've got this figured out to get me to a million dollars at the local casino in 80 sessions. I've got a feeling I may just stymie myself with sub-$10K cash-outs for awhile when I get halfway there. It also depends on how much heat the casino is going to put on me. They've shut down a table before on someone who won $30K in one night at the craps table.

I had some unusual losing streaks with the dealer running up long winning streaks.

Lately I've made my debut at actual BJ tables this decade and with a short bankroll, I've been buying in for 15 bets instead of 25 bets. The dealer trays are running low so even getting 10 bets worth of reds with some backup greens seems to make the dealers want me to color up reds whenever possible or they will give me a green chip on a $20 bet win and it confuses me when I have to grab another red chip so my bet stays at $20.

So last night I made up new charts for how to have smaller sessions based on a 15 bet buy-in and winning 12 bets ahead for a cash-out win goal. These should be good for 0.5 to 3.0 hour BJ sessions but could go on longer. If I win a session, I move up a level about 50% higher and start another session. If I win 4 sessions in a row, I'll have won about 10+ times my original buy-in, then I get to do it again. If I do it twice, I'll have 20+ times my original buy-in. 20 times 15 bets is 300 bets. I mean I could go on and try to win 10 sessions in a row and keep going up if I have the luck. It would put me into 5 figures quickly. But if I lose a session, I have to start a new session with the previous sessions' buy-in. So while I may win 4 sessions ahead, they could be lost with a 60 bet losing streak. If I just consolidate my win after 4 sessions, I'd have 150+ bets. If I'm feeling adventurous later on I may continue on past 4 sessions ahead before repeating, but I'm just trying to scrape together a small bankroll without a big loss at this point.

So I tried the home game version of this. I started at $215K with a $4.5K buy-in, and ran that up to a $6K win. Next session was a $6K buy-in and ran that up to a $9K win. Next session was a $9K buy-in and ran that up to a $12K win. Next session was a $12K buy-in and ran that up to an $18K win. So a $45K win over 4 sessions and ready to start another set of 4 wins with $4.5K X 10 buy-ins as backup. These 4 sessions were over 762 hands and I did lose the 2nd session so I had to repeat the first one over again. I finished the 4 sessions at a just over $260K balance.

Here's a graph of how this looked.

For comparison here's the streaks chart for that session.

I'm adding this strategy to my craps game since getting big wins on the PL is ridiculously slow and hard. Just having smaller buy-ins and smaller win goals, maybe in 4 nights I can string together 4 winning sessions with double odds on the PL or DP. With $90 buy-ins that means $2 on the line and $4 odds to start with on the bubble craps machine, or $6 bets with no odds on a real table. If I win 4 sessions ahead I'll be up $900. I've got this figured out to get me to a million dollars at the local casino in 80 sessions. I've got a feeling I may just stymie myself with sub-$10K cash-outs for awhile when I get halfway there. It also depends on how much heat the casino is going to put on me. They've shut down a table before on someone who won $30K in one night at the craps table.

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July 2nd, 2024 at 10:43:32 PM
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I never knew I was playing a +EV game, I was just trying to save the $100 or whatever on buying the software. It might explain my positive luck on this game over the long haul. Card counters are always trying to get that extra +1% EV on the regular game. All they had to do was keep it in demo mode and not count cards. So my other BJ home games seem to be a bit tougher but I can still beat them on occasion. But with the Bell Curve shifted over 2.5% to play regular games, being on the winning side may be much more difficult than I was experiencing in Demo mode on this game. Throw in another -1.5% EV for 6:5 BJ and it just seems to be on the impossible side. I just surrendered with a 15 against 9, 10, A and a 16 against a 10. So maybe my +EV wasn't bigger than as Gordon calculated.

I'm beating the card counters on my home game, but it's probably a very inaccurate statistic because I don't bet like they do. But being 34 SD ahead would qualify as something out of the ordinary, maybe even MDawg-like, lol.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/39243-my-dice-influence-data-1000-rollls/#post929402

Today's update has me winning $230K out of $34.45 million total bet in 61K hands for a win rate of 0.67%. Seems I needed a boost to keep on going. I'm losing 1.22% from Gordon's number. If I had won to $650K ahead, I'd be up at Gordon's number by now. I think in the first installation of the game I was breaking $1 million by 30K hands (100 hours of 300 hands/hr table time). From 2 years ago I had $31.8 million in total bets over 33.76K hands and was up $1.25 million for a win rate of 3.93%. If I subtract the 2.5% advantage I had, I would have only been up $450K on the first installation. But really my strategy relies on upward win streaks of significance and it's hard to factor that into my results.

Quote:rainmanNorms Demo software removes all fives and replaces them with sixes what is

the effect on H.E?

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Quote:gordonm888In my calculation, the Player EV goes from -0.64% to +1.89% -without any changes to Basic Strategy. Of course, the player should never hit a hard 16 vs 7-A; that strategy would help player even more.

I never knew I was playing a +EV game, I was just trying to save the $100 or whatever on buying the software. It might explain my positive luck on this game over the long haul. Card counters are always trying to get that extra +1% EV on the regular game. All they had to do was keep it in demo mode and not count cards. So my other BJ home games seem to be a bit tougher but I can still beat them on occasion. But with the Bell Curve shifted over 2.5% to play regular games, being on the winning side may be much more difficult than I was experiencing in Demo mode on this game. Throw in another -1.5% EV for 6:5 BJ and it just seems to be on the impossible side. I just surrendered with a 15 against 9, 10, A and a 16 against a 10. So maybe my +EV wasn't bigger than as Gordon calculated.

I'm beating the card counters on my home game, but it's probably a very inaccurate statistic because I don't bet like they do. But being 34 SD ahead would qualify as something out of the ordinary, maybe even MDawg-like, lol.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/39243-my-dice-influence-data-1000-rollls/#post929402

Today's update has me winning $230K out of $34.45 million total bet in 61K hands for a win rate of 0.67%. Seems I needed a boost to keep on going. I'm losing 1.22% from Gordon's number. If I had won to $650K ahead, I'd be up at Gordon's number by now. I think in the first installation of the game I was breaking $1 million by 30K hands (100 hours of 300 hands/hr table time). From 2 years ago I had $31.8 million in total bets over 33.76K hands and was up $1.25 million for a win rate of 3.93%. If I subtract the 2.5% advantage I had, I would have only been up $450K on the first installation. But really my strategy relies on upward win streaks of significance and it's hard to factor that into my results.

Last edited by: ChumpChange on Jul 3, 2024

July 22nd, 2024 at 2:39:11 PM
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I started watching this video and immediately hopped on my Roku 3 to play Double Double Bonus Poker while listening. I should have been watching the video. They advertise 500 free hands. I don't know what to do with that or how much they charge to play after that, but here's the video. I played for too long, wondering if I'd ever get my quads to end the session. After 35:36 and 253 hands I hit 4 deuces with a Jack for a $100 win and ended the session down $1.25.

Learn to Play Double Double Bonus Part 1! 5 Misplayed Hands - The Jackpot Gents

Learn to Play Double Double Bonus Part 1! 5 Misplayed Hands - The Jackpot Gents