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January 3rd, 2022 at 10:13:28 AM permalink
I'm playing Blackjack on my Roku 3. I get $500 a day and the minimum bet is $5. I start out betting $60, and reduce my bets to $40 or $30 depending on certain chip balances; and raise them to $90, $120, $180, and more depending on certain chip balances. In previous sessions, I've lost $2,000 (that's what they started me off at but have restricted me to $500/day since I lost that) and I played four $500 sessions and lost them all pretty quick on a 6 deck shoe in 291 hands with $15,050 total bet for an 86.71% rate of return.

Now they want me to buy extra coins: $500 for 99 cents; $1,000 for $1.99; $2,000 for $2.99; $5,000 for $3.99; or $10,000 for $4.99.

My next $500 losing session on a different day was on a single deck with 331 hands with $12,175 total bet, for a 95.89% rate of return.
My next $500 losing session was today on a double deck, that I played for, (idk, 45 minutes?), was 639 hands with a total bet of $45,040, or a 98.89% rate of return.

I hit a high of $2,000+ and raised my bets to $180, but the backsliding occurred and I never recovered. It is pretty nifty that I came back from under $100 to over $1,000 a few times with some sustained winning streaks, but what the machine gives, the machine will take away. I would say the game has poor rules and it is not a table game to play, but as a slot machine it might do OK to waste time at for lower stakes.

I've got to learn to cash-out my $500, or $1500 wins early before they get whittled away by how long this session is going. Every time I change my bets, I'm losing some eventually and that adds up to more than $500 pretty quick. But I do hope to turn $500 into $4,000 by my chart, so where's the top?

I've played 1973 hands with a total bet of $92,580 and a loss of $3,000 for a 96.76% rate of return. This game is better than 6:5 BJ so I shouldn't expect the comps to be as high as all that. But if I had a 1% game that'd be around a $900 expected loss times 30% for $270 in comps. But if that were 50 hands an hour, it'd be around 40 hours, and who knows how they would track my bets but my first bet of $60 times 10 4-hour blocks would be $600 in comps. My real average bet is just north of $45, but there's no real way to figure that will be constant.

There's 712 hands with $20,315 that aren't in the shoe breakdown somehow and there is a Reset Statistics button, so maybe I played a session months ago, forgot about it, and the shoe numbers were deleted either by time or by button. Maybe I quit at $2,000 in my first session anyway so there was no loss.
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January 5th, 2022 at 11:14:59 AM permalink
My next session of Roku 3 BJ was a WIN! I got from $500 to $4,060 in 250 hands totaling $25,070 in bets. So I'm ahead $560 in total now. I've had $3,500 given to me by the fake money gods already. But as my bankroll got bigger, the table minimum crept up. Over maybe $1,000 it went from $5 to $10; and over $2,000 it went from $10 to $25. Since my minimum bet is $30, it's not a problem, but if my BR gets to over $5,000, I may be facing a $50 minimum and I'll have to play $1,000 sessions with a $60 minimum bet.
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January 8th, 2022 at 10:57:25 PM permalink
Well, the table limits went to $100-$5,000 when I hit just over a $5,000 balance on the Roku 3 BJ game. I ramped it up to $7.5K balance on 2 separate days, but then the game seemed to take advantage of the table minimum and I went on massive losing streaks. I'm winning one hand for every 5 or 6 it seemed and this game did not hesitate to send my BR on a tumble down a steep hill, many times. I even changed my strategy to only raise my bets after 2 wins in a row, or on a double down/split win, but this game 9 out of 10 times wouldn't get me past another win at the next bet level. The few times I did get past, I'd get my BR back up, but then after that streak was done, a hard losing streak settled back in.

After 4771 hands, I'm down $4,500 (I lost it all until I check in another day for a new $500), on a total bet of $394,520, or a 98.86% rate of return.

I've got a new chart to play this game by next time, but as I said, this game won't hesitate to put me 30-60+ hands behind as fast as possible. If it went the other way, I might turn $2K into $40K or more.
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January 9th, 2022 at 2:24:15 AM permalink
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Well, the table limits went to $100-$5,000 when I hit just over a $5,000 balance on the Roku 3 BJ game. I ramped it up to $7.5K balance on 2 separate days, but then the game seemed to take advantage of the table minimum and I went on massive losing streaks. I'm winning one hand for every 5 or 6 it seemed and this game did not hesitate to send my BR on a tumble down a steep hill, many times. I even changed my strategy to only raise my bets after 2 wins in a row, or on a double down/split win, but this game 9 out of 10 times wouldn't get me past another win at the next bet level. The few times I did get past, I'd get my BR back up, but then after that streak was done, a hard losing streak settled back in.

After 4771 hands, I'm down $4,500 (I lost it all until I check in another day for a new $500), on a total bet of $394,520, or a 98.86% rate of return.

I've got a new chart to play this game by next time, but as I said, this game won't hesitate to put me 30-60+ hands behind as fast as possible. If it went the other way, I might turn $2K into $40K or more.
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So you are saying that that software is not randomly shuffling the cards and then dealing them from the front of the virtual shoe and then letting hands form exactly as they would in a fair game of blackjack. You seem to assert that an algorithm decides when you will lose and makes up hands to make that so. Whatever reason would they have to complicate the software in that way?
It's not as if you are staking real money.
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January 9th, 2022 at 10:00:59 AM permalink
That's the observation. I don't have real B & M casino BJ experience to compare it to, and it'd be possible to go to another table after 5 losses as most table huggers do when there's enough tables open.
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January 15th, 2022 at 11:57:50 PM permalink
Playing another session of Roku 3 BJ and I lost down to $7.50, I bet $5 and got a BJ.
Then I bet $15 and won.
Then I bet $30 and won,
Then I bet $60 and won,
Then I bet $120 and won,
Then I bet $240 and won, and I'm back up to $480.

The table maximum is $500 so I could bet $480 and get to $960. If I bet small so I get to $505 then bet $500, I'll get to $1005 and the table maximum goes to $1,000 then I can bet $1,000 and get to $2,005. Then the table maximum goes to $2,000 and I can bet that and get to $4,005. If I bet another $1,000 and get to $5,005, then the table maximum goes to $5,000 and I can bet that and get to $10,005.

I lowered my bets to $30/$45 and lost the entire $480 and in no time flat. But the next hand was a winner so I could have gotten to $960 before losing it all.
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January 17th, 2022 at 10:40:49 PM permalink
Another terrible day on the Roku 3 BJ app. It's letting me double down for the 4th card if I have a 9, 10, or 11, which I've only seen in Spanish 21. Maybe I don't pay enough attention but did it offer to let me DD on a 12 too? idk. I gave up on another lost day and went to my Hoyle BJ game.

I started Hoyle with around $310K and planned to play a $10K session of a 25 bet buy-in. I was gonna try my new progressions.
3 (2X), 4 (2X), 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20X on winners in a row; and winning a DD or both splits, I would advance to the next spot to the right on the progression. The first two bets are the same, the next two bets are increased but the same, then I start increasing on each win after that. The reason for the first two bets being the same is because of table chop and there's almost nothing but 'chop' in BJ. The reason for the 2nd 2 bets being the same is for the progression I was originally gonna use if I didn't repeat the 1st bet. If I get to the last bet in the progression, I stay at that bet until a loss; pushes are not a loss, surrenders are. If I'm high up in the progression, I'll probably take even money with a BJ against an Ace so I can advance with the progression still.

I don't want to ruin a lot of hard work I've done on this over the past few weeks by revealing my charts, so I'll give the session results.

I lost the $10K pretty quickly. I started a new session and won the $10K back pretty quickly with actual winning hands this time, instead of 25 losers. I was so far ahead after the end of one progression when I lost, I was at around $315K, so I reset my starting session by virtually pocketing an extra $10K back and lowering my bets like I was at $15K instead of $25K. I kept winning and raising my bets and I was above $340K with a base bet of $3K (which means my top bet at the time would be $20K in the progression, but I'm at the Unlimited table). Then my luck turned when I didn't settle for 4 x $10K sessions worth 4 x 25 bet buy-ins, and I went on a losing streak of over 45 hands over time and I was back at $300K. I started a new $10K session, same as before, and won back to $311K with winner hands that weren't coming before I changed my bet amounts, and I quit.

On a previous day I turned $210K into $310K using this same system/strategy on a $10K buy-in.
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January 19th, 2022 at 12:45:37 AM permalink
I played a session of Casino Verite BJ in demo mode (still). Started with a $1K session at $17K, won up to $18K, but lost it all back to $16K. My bets were 1/10th of what the $10K sessions were in the above post.
From the graph below, I started off with a losing streak, recovered to even, then went on a couple of very short up/down streaks, then resumed the regularly scheduled losing streak where I wasn't even losing more than 5%. This was over 411 hands, which at a 50 hands per hour table would be an 8 hour day. I started off with a near 25 bet buy-in, lost about 10 hands, won 20 hands back, then lost 35 hands to finish the session.

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January 19th, 2022 at 10:39:35 PM permalink
I continued my session because I forgot to start a new one and I was on a massive losing streak at the start just like last time. I dropped to a $500+ loss right off the bat again. I clawed back from -$1600 to even and I'm back at $17K with 607 hands played (196 hands more today).
I'm getting tired after driving 2 hours to recharge my dead car battery.
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January 20th, 2022 at 6:27:49 PM permalink
I continued the session and peaked at over $1,000 ahead, but I've fallen back to even at hand 821 (played another 214 hands, 4 hours worth so worth a comp of $90+).
821 hands/50 hands per hr = 16+ hrs / 4 hours = 4 sessions x $90 initial bet = $360 comps total.
If I play 2,000 hands and have a 0.5% HA against me: $90 initial bet x 2000 hands = $180,000 total bet x 0.5% = $900 loss to HA. So if after 2,000 hands, I should just take a $1,000 win for a new session 25 bet buy-in. Alternatively, 40 hours of play equals 10 x 4 hour sessions times $90 initial bet = $900 in comps.


Well, I'm up 20 hands ahead at $20K and $3K ahead for the session at 1187 hands played. I was down to my last $200 of the session and lucked a come-back.

Weirdest hand that took me down to -$1,000 on a new session, but the dealer busted.
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