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ams288
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January 1st, 2017 at 8:41:54 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

lol can't wait for the mental gymnastics on how all your problems will still be the dems fault, when the republicans own everything and royally F it up



Everything will always be the fault of freeloading liberals to boz....

The righties own Trump and all of his blunders and immense shadiness for the next four years. It's the liberals duty to hold the righties accountable.
Lock him up!
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January 1st, 2017 at 8:57:43 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Everything will always be the fault of freeloading liberals to boz....



Correct, because that's about all that's left of the party. The hard working middle class American of all races has been forgotten by the leadership. They counted on those who they have made dependent on them and forgot how lazy that group is.

Face it, there is not enough Religious fanatics on the right to win elections. The GOP learned that. I wonder if the Dems ever will or just continue to count on minority's to grow in this country. Somehow believing they don't have the same concern for their future as the rest of us.
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January 1st, 2017 at 9:20:34 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Correct, because that's about all that's left of the party. The hard working middle class American of all races has been forgotten by the leadership. They counted on those who they have made dependent on them and forgot how lazy that group is.

Face it, there is not enough Religious fanatics on the right to win elections. The GOP learned that. I wonder if the Dems ever will or just continue to count on minority's to grow in this country. Somehow believing they don't have the same concern for their future as the rest of us.


Sure, I don't disagree with you that the middle class is forgotten. But to think that Trump and his swamp of a cabinet is the solution to that is comical.

Personally I don't believe either party has the solutions we need, especially without bipartisan cooperation.

And in terms of Obama being a hero, I do consider him a personal hero for several reasons. Putting into motion the greatest civil rights advancement in 30+ years is among the most significant. But that doesn't mean I have to be in love with everything he's ever done, which is what so many people don't get. It doesn't have to be so binary. I disagree with quite a few things he's dipped his hand in.
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January 1st, 2017 at 9:26:45 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Face it, there is not enough Religious fanatics on the right to win elections. The GOP learned that.



Did they? You do realize Donald winning was a complete fluke, right?

The Republicans are a minority majority party. They win by getting less votes than the Democrats. That is unsustainable.

Donald lost by nearly 3 million votes, and would have lost the electoral college if it weren't for ~80,000 voters spread across three states (MI, WI, PA). If he maintains his current popularity and the Dems pick a candidate in 2020 who the FBI can't screw over a week and a half before Election Day, its bye-bye orange President.
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January 1st, 2017 at 10:00:41 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

It depends on what he does and says.

There are currently conflicts of interest galore, yes ?
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January 1st, 2017 at 10:39:13 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Did they? You do realize Donald winning was a complete fluke, right?

The Republicans are a minority majority party. They win by getting less votes than the Democrats. That is unsustainable.

Donald lost by nearly 3 million votes, and would have lost the electoral college if it weren't for ~80,000 voters spread across three states (MI, WI, PA). If he maintains his current popularity and the Dems pick a candidate in 2020 who the FBI can't screw over a week and a half before Election Day, its bye-bye orange President.



And we are counting on your thought process. Look at the State results, Dems are losing everywhere except their old strongholds. Unless they find another smooth talking minority community organizer to run again, they have big troubles. And If, yea it's a big if, Trump makes people feel better about the country and themselves it will only make their job tougher. But if he f's it up like you are hoping for, them it's open for the Dems.
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January 1st, 2017 at 10:58:42 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Did they? You do realize Donald winning was a complete fluke, right?

The Republicans are a minority majority party. They win by getting less votes than the Democrats. That is unsustainable.



I don't usually weigh in on political discussions here. I'm always willing to vote for either party.

Aside from the presidential race, I believe you'll find the Republicans had a lot more votes than the Democrats in the House of Reps races nationwide and they have for many years now. That's why they are a majority party. That can also easily translate to a bigger win in 4 years, as it did for GW Bush.

For 2020 the Dems will need a young candidate that can bring back that energy that Clinton couldn't manage and provide a bigger contrast to Trump. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gavin Newsom get the nod for the Dems, if he wins the governor of CA, and it should be a very competitive race depending, almost entirely, on how Trump can deliver on his domestic policies for the middle class.
KingoftheEye
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January 1st, 2017 at 11:06:01 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Ding ding ding!

If Dems controlled either chamber of Congress, Trump would be a goner.

Republicans have no problem putting party before country, and are completely ignoring his numerous conflicts.

There should be investigations galore. But there won't be.



Not so fast, my friend. Last I checked, it took 67 Senate votes to impeach anybody. I don't think the Dems have any chance of controlling 67 seats since not enough Repubs are even up for election in 2018.
MrV
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January 1st, 2017 at 11:06:02 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Since you say probably, that implies you would be getting a good bet at even money. I'll take the no for virtually any sum. What say yee, Mr. V?



I say: "I hope you're right, for the good of the country."

No bet.
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January 1st, 2017 at 11:17:13 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

And we are counting on your thought process. Look at the State results, Dems are losing everywhere except their old strongholds. Unless they find another smooth talking minority community organizer to run again, they have big troubles. And If, yea it's a big if, Trump makes people feel better about the country and themselves it will only make their job tougher. But if he f's it up like you are hoping for, them it's open for the Dems.



He doesn't have to make it better for them. He just has to make them think it is, or have excuses they'll buy. And that's his special gift. He lies, they buy. The truth is put out in refutation, they don't care. He's golden. Or the Teflon Don.

Gary Hart was put out of the running for a single photo on a boat with the wrong woman on his lap. Trump grabs them by the genitals (by his own admission and testimony of a dozen victims), walks in on naked teenagers, married a porn model for his 3rd wife, publicly screwed around on the first 2, considers women pigs and objects. Meh, say the Trump voters.

Repeat ad nauseum re: Trump University, Trump Foundation, Trump dissing Mexicans, blacks, disabled people, Trump offshoring his products, Trump not paying hundreds of contracted services, Trump bankruptcies, Trump international conflicts of interest, Trump with dozens of other outrages over decades, that would have tanked any other candidate. Meh.

How average Joe and Jane can imagine he's going to GAS about them when his entire track record is of screwing them over, I just don't know. Union or union-level job? Trump screwed you. Small businessman? Trump screwed you or didn't pay you. Student? Trump conned you and screwed you. Business partner? Trump screwed you, stripped the assets, declared bankruptcy, left you holding the bag.

Meh.
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