Paigowdan
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:35:39 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

This sounds like PaiGowDan and "if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide!" I disagree. Asset forfiture is a very real and very scary thing and happens to WAY MORE people doing nothing illegal than it does to criminals. In giving the cops the keys to the criminals cash, we also gave them the keys to our own. Slippery slope. This is why we must take the proper precautions to avoid getting in these situations; did someone mention TSA Pre-check?



Paigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.

I exchange sometimes LARGE amounts of money between my brother in Alabama and myself in Vegas, all legit; yet we still wire money or use other means, - particularly using the Chase bank's AP payment system, all legit. I transferred $82,000 from a New York bank to buy the property I still live in here in Las Vegas in about 10 minutes at a real estate office ten years ago. This is even easier at a casino cage where they want your action.

Traveling to a casino? - I withdraw $5K at the cage from my account with my ID and bank or credit card, with no cops on the highway involved. Really, Not Hard To Do. More than that? Then have a casino host arrange it, - and get comped big time at the same time.

Mix it up...travel with American Express Traveler's checks, How CAN a police department possibly cash it or claim that your vacation money is possibly theirs? (Keep the receipts at home or with your sister in Cleveland) - It's yours for your gambling vacation. Write a personal check for your destination's expenses, and withdraw it at your destination, whether Chase, of BOA, or Wells Fargo, the casino will certainly honor it at the cage if they want your business. Spend 10 minutes at your local branch to arrange this, if you are on the up-and-up.

Carry ten Postal Money orders for $500 each made out to you, for $5,000, and send the receipts under separate cover. Better yet, make a payroll check out to you and cash it at a bank at your destination, if you own a business.

So Yeah, if you are doing nothing wrong, travel with documented and cashable financial instruments. You may travel with Traveler's Checks, payroll checks, or wire transfers.

If you carry cash, even the cops will rob you. But they can't cash your payroll or Traveler's checks.
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Maverick17
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:37:07 PM permalink
I have flown with $10k+ in cash on multiple occasions.

I usually have it in a few different zippered compartments in my backpack, and some on my person, just in case I get pick-pocketed/pick-backpacked I still have most of my money.

I just send the $$ through the x-ray machine, albeit I am close to watch it, and I wait to let it though the machine until the person in front of me has gone through the security machine, and then I step up and go through the machine and watch for my bag on the other side.

I was once picked to get the "extra loving" on a flight from Denver back home. TSA didn't have issue with me not leaving until I got my bag, and actually seemed glad I thought of if before I went into a special room.

They rummaged through my bag for a couple minutes, found a couple rubberbanded groups of $2k (didn't find a few others) and ran a patch that indicates bomb residue (and maybe drug residue, but he only mentioned explosives) through some of the money and let me go.
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AxelWolf
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:46:55 PM permalink
For a normal gambler that's all fine and dandy.

However let's assume your an AP and you are going to some icolated casino and arrive Friday night to make a play. There may be obvious reasons you don't want to wire money to the casino or cash travelers checks or whatever there. Banks are closed until Monday.

Let's say win on Friday and want to fly or drive back home on Sunday. You can have all the proper paperwork you want they can and still do take money when people had and have legitimate reasons for having the money.

There's many situations where people might want to carry cash.

AP or not the law's on this need to be changed. FYI it's not just money they take either. Let's say you went and bought some gold from somome to keep just in case a financial meltdown. They could keep that to.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Paigowdan
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:26:08 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

I have flown with $10k+ in cash on multiple occasions.

I usually have it in a few different zippered compartments in my backpack, and some on my person, just in case I get pick-pocketed/pick-backpacked I still have most of my money.


Smart thinking. Hard to do a total take-down robbery in an airport, though actually less secure than a casino.

Quote: MV

I just send the $$ through the x-ray machine, albeit I am close to watch it, and I wait to let it though the machine until the person in front of me has gone through the security machine, and then I step up and go through the machine and watch for my bag on the other side.


Still, stay close to your bags.

Quote: MV

I was once picked to get the "extra loving" on a flight from Denver back home. TSA didn't have issue with me not leaving until I got my bag, and actually seemed glad I thought of if before I went into a special room.

They rummaged through my bag for a couple minutes, found a couple rubberbanded groups of $2k (didn't find a few others) and ran a patch that indicates bomb residue (and maybe drug residue, but he only mentioned explosives) through some of the money and let me go.


On a domestic flight, they're swab-checking for traces of epinephrine (a cold medicine that is a precursor to Methamphetamine), as well as methamphetamine itself, cocaine, fentanyl, oxycodone, and the benzodiazepams - along with explosive traces - if they see a bit of unusual money. As in "You are picked." I went through this returning from Puerto Rico with a girl I knew then, a number of years ago. We avoided the Special room, which involves rubber gloves and X-ray machines.

(If you wanted to screw a travel companion who's traveling with money, you could pretty much spray a little NyQuil on his bags, as Dextromethorphan may also be picked up as a "dissassociative-class drug"., or some firecracker or street drug contents...remember, angry wives packing their husbands' travel bags have placed loaded .38's into their carry-ons, if the late Sam Kinison is any example....) Don't let your travel bags of your sight, from the bedroom packing to the flight's boarding!

Again, $1,500 or $2,000 in cash in this case may be about the limit caught, before they may seriously search your ass.
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Romes
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:28:37 PM permalink
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Paigowdan here:...

Oh god... What have I done?
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AxelWolf
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:31:12 PM permalink
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Quote: Paigowdan

Paigowdan here:...

Oh god... What have I done?

Rome people are looking for some AF insurance, you could be the go to guy what do you say? Sounds like a good business opportunity for you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:48:01 PM permalink
All or nearly all responds in this thread seem to express great concern about cops or law enforcement personnel when it comes to money seizure activity. So my question to all is this: Is this the case of bad law or bad cop, or both?

In contrast to other copsí brutality or questionable/controversial action caught in videos discussion on other threads, many defended copsí brutal or questionable/controversial behaviors through various justifications or reasonings.

It is hard for me to fathom of such complete contrast of peopleís opinions about cops regarding money seizure activity and non-money seizure activity by cops?
AxelWolf
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:56:22 PM permalink
Funny , disturbing, educational. If you haven't seen it it's a must see.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Paigowdan
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:57:22 PM permalink
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[Calling upon Paigowdan...]Oh god... What have I done?


You summoned the devil yourself.

Quote: 777

All or nearly all responds in this thread seem to express great concern about cops or law enforcement personnel when it comes to money seizure activity. So my question to all is this: Is this the case of bad law or bad cop, or both?


Both.
1. Bad cops exist. - check!
2. Bad laws exist (that allow bad cops to do this!). - check!
3. Traveling with cash that is not physically on your person cannot be taken from you by such cops, or any cops. [As this would require judges and lawyers, who know more about the law and are less likely to do this than cops.]

Quote: 777

In contrast to other copsí brutality or questionable/controversial action caught in videos discussion on other threads, many defended copsí brutal or questionable/controversial behaviors through various justifications or reasonings.


It's totally indefensible by them in the end - but you can still lose the cash on you if you are not smart before travelling.
They can say either one of two things:
1. Cry me a river, and you're broke, and you're now free to go.
2. Cry me a river, and you still have your assets, and you are now free to go.

It's NOT a question if bad cops exit. It's a question of keeping what's yours in spite of them while traveling.
In this regard, trust wire transfers, other defensive measures, and the casino cage more than them if you are concerned.
Last edited by: Paigowdan on Aug 23, 2016
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August 23rd, 2016 at 3:42:01 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Paigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.



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Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.

Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.

Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.

Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.

It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.

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