AxelWolf
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August 23rd, 2016 at 4:25:23 PM permalink
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Paigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.



I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...

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"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"



Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.

Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.

Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.

Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.

It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.

Great post.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 23rd, 2016 at 4:38:21 PM permalink
I used to have a devil may care attitude toward this subject, but Axel and a few others made me realize I was wrong. While I never had a problem, I now travel prepared with justification for everything I carry. The smart ones learn to be proactive , fair or unfair. Debating what has happened to America is valid, but once you lose your cash, it's on an entire different level. I hope everyone realizes how serious this subject can be and does the research before traveling.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 4:43:03 PM permalink
Quote: Face

Quote: Paigowdan

Paigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.



I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...

Quote: Ancient Booer


"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"



Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.

Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.

Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.

Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.

It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.

Very well said! Restore the IVth amendment.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 4:50:51 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Great post.



Quote: Boz

I used to have a devil may care attitude toward this subject, but Axel and a few others made me realize I was wrong.



Thank the gods.

The deeply Dem here have told me that "fixing" comes by way of effort, action, and time. I beg all to do just that. Take the time to learn your legal rights. Put in the effort to exercise them. Take action and teach those around you. In gambling terms, you have NO idea how much EV each and every one of you piss away on any given traffic stop. This isn't about being a d#$%head or YouTube cowboy. It's about being a informed, strong individual.

6 years as the eye in the sky and I can count the number of crimes followed through with on one freaking hand. Every time, bar (almost) none, people roll over. I've seen people have hundreds stolen, the person caught, restitution unavailable, and they're fine with getting back $280 out of the $800 that was taken. Issue totally dropped. It's disgusting and shameful.

The only way for evil to succeed and all that. Stop letting it.
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AxelWolf
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:08:06 PM permalink
It sickened me to hear the story about some young kid (I think he was young) who's father gave him some money to relocate and find a job. Only to have it "legally" taken from him with little recourse.

I just imagine here's a father who probably scraped up as much money as he could to help his son go do something good. Probably a kid who didn't have a bank account, didn't even fathom something like this could or would ever happen. Now the kid is stuck in NV with no money, no food, no gas, no job and no resources. This is the kind of sh*t that could mess someone's entire life up.

I guess Dan thinks that's OK because the kid should have known better and protected himself.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:13:13 PM permalink
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I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...


Let me cut through the Malarkey and clear this thing up for you, FACE or Axel-Rod: Everyone is resposible for covering his ass and assets - regardless of class level or accusations.
And don't worry about talking nice to me, shoot, no one does, and I really don't care.

If you're traveling far from home with fifteen-plus C-notes on person/in pocket,
1. Expect that you may get robbed, - highway cops included;
2. Don't cry us or yourself a river - if done warned in plain English how to take reasonable precautions while out on the road.
3. "Almost" serves you right if not otherwise smart enough in the modern world, and;
4. No sympathy. Zero. None. Bordering on "serves you right to lose it." Seriously.

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Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?


No. Just for the non-stupid and reasonably world-wise - regardless of class. It isn't based on race or ethnicity or income or oppression, and DON'T try to say it is, Face, as you're implying. A POOR man doesn't travel in an old Chevy 600 miles with $19,000 in cash! He goes to Envios Cambios and protects himself just as I go to Chase Bank or the Bank of Las Vegas. I say, Don't give a crook an even chance on your stash, in any scenario, that's all.
Hence the easy advice. Don't be a Mark when warned not to in the real world,

Quote: Face

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.


C'mon now, Face, - don't be some sort of a Shangri-La Social Justice Warrior here, just pointing out the risk of traveling with too much cash.
In surveillance you bust AP players and crooks, and here you talk Shangri-La stuff, La-La stuff to me - I'm just not buying it.

Quote: Face

Opinions such as these make me literally sick.


Good, fine.
Personally, I consider it the mildest of punishments you might deserve if you take that naïve position. (On a new twist, they say: hurl me a river.)

Quote: Face

It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.


No, It's business as the world simply is today, and yes as such it is damn good advice. I meant it in only that way. To apologize a tad here, and to soften things, I agree it [corruption anywhere] is not right or good, but it is the world we deal with. Why set yourself up as a mark when you don't have to, and when it is simple to avoid all these headaches?

Quote: Face

Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.


Hey, I saw to it by work and by the school of hard knocks. NO apology here at all.
But the thing is, ANYONE can walk into a check-cashing or "Envios Cambios" place and buy money orders or a pre-paid debit card to thwart cash seizures and stick-ups, - regardless of social class, so don't play a class or race or immigrant thing to it. People have access to the same basic banking and precautions that I have, whether $19,000 a year or $104,572 a year. No apologizes, and it is NOT that much.
I'm sorry, but the lowliest immigrant knows as much when facing the business end of a switchblade or a crooked cop on the highway, for that matter. NOTHING elitist here, and to imply otherwise is Codswallop Poppycock Balderdash Malarkey. And Ron White is less of a false Social Justice Warrior than I am, but admittedly, not by much.

Quote: Face

Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route.


If you do this you're an idiot. You just need to protect yourself in travel, if you've done this then you've covered a reasonable nut.

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Am I an idiot?


I won't say, "There ya go..." - as I do think you're pretty sharp, Face.


Quote: Face

But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.


You DESERVE Liberty and Justice, hence taking precautions to preserve your liberty, justice, (and CASH when ON THE ROAD.)
However, - failure to do this may make you an idiot - a broke ass idiot who got robbed. Nothing wrong in wiring money for safety, or owning a Ruger .380, what have you. We live in MORE than just a rough world - we live in a real world.

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It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns.


Oh, The Hell It Does. (And this coming from Surveillance....wow...)
If I were an HONEST cop, I would accept a reasonable reason for a driver having $6,000 in C-notes - but I would have my suspicions and book it as evidence if NOT receiving a plausible (cop-wise) scenario - AND to be returned upon reasonable proof to the court.
And I tell you, Mr. Driver would receive a lecture on using and supporting Credit Unions "for the people" to protect them - as fellow Americans, or even illegals. Wire the money or use Travelers' checks or pre-paid cards, you Schmuck.

Quote: FACE

It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation.


Yeah, that's exactly my point - protect yourself in this real world, and DON'T expect justice, even/especially from cops and the court. We're here on suffereance, so please don't volunteer to be the poster boy.

Quote: Face

No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night.


The onus IS on the common man, and he needs help and advice from his fellow gambling man every step of the way to protect his ass from the man.

Quote: Face

I have no idea how you can sleep at all.


And who the Hell are you to judge me, or how well I sleep? I sleep mighty fine, right after Jimmy Fallon.
I think you're a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior taking shots here at this board.
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Boz
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:35:12 PM permalink
Nice long post Dan, but based on your well known views, most wouldn't expect anything else. I.E., you wasted you time posting. Unless of course Jimmy is off tonight and we all need something to put us to sleep.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:51:44 PM permalink
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Nice long post Dan, but based on your well known views, most wouldn't expect anything else. I.E., you wasted you time posting. Unless of course Jimmy is off tonight and we all need something to put us to sleep.


Are you kiddin' ?
You read it, loved it, and cursed me for it because you disagree, and have trouble falsifying it. The real deal.
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Any and all should.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:58:35 PM permalink
I wonder if they ignore the so-called fifteen hundred dollar rule for people flying to Las Vegas?
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August 23rd, 2016 at 6:04:00 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Let me cut through the Malarkey and clear this thing up for you, FACE or Axel-Rod: Everyone is resposible for covering his ass and assets - regardless of class level or accusations.
And don't worry about talking nice to me, shoot, no one does, and I really don't care.

If you're traveling far from home with fifteen-plus C-notes on person/in pocket,
1. Expect that you may get robbed, - highway cops included;
2. Don't cry us or yourself a river - if done warned in plain English how to take reasonable precautions while out on the road.
3. "Almost" serves you right if not otherwise smart enough in the modern world, and;
4. No sympathy. Zero. None. Bordering on "serves you right to lose it." Seriously.

Quote: Ancient Booer


"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"




No. Just for the non-stupid and reasonably world-wise - regardless of class. It isn't based on race or ethnicity or income or oppression, and DON'T try to say it is, Face, as you're implying. A POOR man doesn't travel in an old Chevy 600 miles with $19,000 in cash! He goes to Envios Cambios and protects himself just as I go to Chase Bank or the Bank of Las Vegas. I say, Don't give a crook an even chance on your stash, in any scenario, that's all.
Hence the easy advice. Don't be a Mark when warned not to in the real world,

Quote: Face

No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.


C'mon now, Face, - don't be some sort of a Shangri-La Social Justice Warrior here, just pointing out the risk of traveling with too much cash.
In surveillance you bust AP players, and here you talk Shangri-La stuff, La-La stuff to me - I'm just not buying it.


Good, fine.
Personally, I consider it the mildest of punishments you might deserve if you take that naïve position. (On a new twist, they say: hurl me a river.)


No, It's business as the world simply is today, and yes as such it is damn good advice. I meant it in only that way. To apologize a tad here, and to soften things, I agree it [corruption anywhere] is not right or good, but it is the world we deal with. Why set yourself up as a mark when you don't have to, and when it is simple to avoid all these headaches?


Hey, I saw to it by work and by the school of hard knocks. NO apology here at all.
But the thing is, ANYONE can walk into a check-cashing or "Envios Cambios" place and buy money orders or a pre-paid debit card to thwart cash seizures and stick-ups, - regardless of social class, so don't play a class or race or immigrant thing to it. People have access to the same basic banking and precautions that I have, whether $19,000 a year or $104,572 a year. No apologizes, and it is NOT that much.
I'm sorry, but the lowliest immigrant knows as much when facing the business end of a switchblade or a crooked cop on the highway, for that matter. NOTHING elitist here, and to imply otherwise is Codswallop Poppycock Balderdash Malarkey. And Ron White is less of a false Social Justice Warrior than I am, but admittedly, not by much.


If you do this you're an idiot. You just need to protect yourself in travel, if you've done this then you've covered a reasonable nut.


I won't say, "There ya go..." - as I do think you're pretty sharp, Face.



You DESERVE Liberty and Justice, hence taking precautions to preserve your liberty, justice, (and CASH when ON THE ROAD.)


Oh, The Hell It Does. (And this coming from Surveillance....wow...)
If I were an HONEST cop, I would accept a reasonable reason for a driver having $6,000 in C-notes - but I would have my suspicions and book it as evidence if NOT receiving a plausible (cop-wise) scenario - AND to be returned upon reasonable proof to the court.
And I tell you, Mr. Driver would receive a lecture on using and supporting Credit Unions "for the people" to protect them - as fellow Americans, or even illegals.


Yeah, that's exactly my point - protect yourself in this real world, and DON'T expect justice, even/especially from cops and the court. We're here on suffereance, so please don't volunteer to be the poster boy.

Quote: Face

No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night.
The onus IS on the common man, and he needs help and advice from his fellow gambling man every step of the way to protect his ass from the man.


And who the Hell are you to judge me, or how well I sleep? I sleep mighty fine, right after Jimmy Fallon.
I think you're a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior taking shots here at this board.

It's not just some rogue cops doing this. It's an organized legal theft. Even the bad cops are given permission and encouraged to do this on a grand scale(Billions worth)
Everyone money or property is automatically is automatically guilty even when the people are obviously innocent. Due to shot deadlines and legal costs people lose their money. It's not some rare bad cop situation.

You think it's just people traveling with money? Well It's not, they are going into innocent peoples homes and taking their cash. Here's a quick case. Drug dealer on 2nd floor apartment was raided. Neighbors who had zero affiliation with him or drugs the cops I'm the midst of the raid break into their apartment find one person with $1500 and someone with $2000 and they take it. They neighbors only get back $1500 of the $3500 and only after getting a lawyer and 5 court apperiances and 18 months. Everyone's in on it not just a bad cop hete and there because the court's had the opportunity to make it right yet they didn't.

87 year old woman saves her pension money of $2000
They take it from her HOME. And guess what?


You might want to do some more research on this subject. There's a lot more to it than you think.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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