Flying With Money
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:03:46 AM
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Headline: DEA mines U.S. travel logs
I recently read a long, LONG thread started by Keyser titled, "Driving With Money." Most educational, and highly recommended for anyone with an interest who has not seen it. (Look at threads Keyser started as an easy way to locate it because it's from 2014-2015.)
Mod edit: Link to that thread.
In that thread, when the topic of flying with money came up, most said it wasn't a problem. However, it may be time for a reality check. I recently saw an article in USA Today that reports TSA (usually) doesn't seize cash. But, it seems it now may point out to DEA (or to local law enforcement) people who carry significant cash when traveling. Here's the link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/08/10/dea-travel-record-airport-seizures/88474282/
I'm not sure if my access level allows the link to show, but (if not) perhaps some admin can make it appear.
I wouldn't have (as much of) a problem if if law enforcement had to charge a person (co-conspirator) with a crime to seize the property. No $100 bill has ever committed a crime without the active intervention of a person. But, in more than 1,000 seizures made at LA airports, totaling over $52 million, only one (just ONE!) resulted in a criminal indictment. No national estimate because there is no standard reporting system.
IMO, what now happens in this country is raw, out-and-out theft by law enforcement. And, police seem not to realise this affects their credibility with the public. Go figure.
I recently read a long, LONG thread started by Keyser titled, "Driving With Money." Most educational, and highly recommended for anyone with an interest who has not seen it. (Look at threads Keyser started as an easy way to locate it because it's from 2014-2015.)
Mod edit: Link to that thread.
In that thread, when the topic of flying with money came up, most said it wasn't a problem. However, it may be time for a reality check. I recently saw an article in USA Today that reports TSA (usually) doesn't seize cash. But, it seems it now may point out to DEA (or to local law enforcement) people who carry significant cash when traveling. Here's the link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/08/10/dea-travel-record-airport-seizures/88474282/
I'm not sure if my access level allows the link to show, but (if not) perhaps some admin can make it appear.
I wouldn't have (as much of) a problem if if law enforcement had to charge a person (co-conspirator) with a crime to seize the property. No $100 bill has ever committed a crime without the active intervention of a person. But, in more than 1,000 seizures made at LA airports, totaling over $52 million, only one (just ONE!) resulted in a criminal indictment. No national estimate because there is no standard reporting system.
IMO, what now happens in this country is raw, out-and-out theft by law enforcement. And, police seem not to realise this affects their credibility with the public. Go figure.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 11:06:01 AM
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Quote: LuckyPhowHeadline: DEA mines U.S. travel logs
I recently read a long, LONG thread started by Keyser titled, "Driving With Money." Most educational, and highly recommended for anyone with an interest who has not seen it. (Look at threads Keyser started as an easy way to locate it because it's from 2014-2015.)
In that thread, when the topic of flying with money came up, most said it wasn't a problem. However, it may be time for a reality check. I recently saw an article in USA Today that reports TSA (usually) doesn't seize cash. But, it seems it now may point out to DEA (or to local law enforcement) people who carry significant cash when traveling. Here's the link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/08/10/dea-travel-record-airport-seizures/88474282/
I'm not sure if my access level allows the link to show, but (if not) perhaps some admin can make it appear.
I wouldn't have (as much of) a problem if if law enforcement had to charge a person (co-conspirator) with a crime to seize the property. No $100 bill has ever committed a crime without the active intervention of a person. But, in more than 1,000 seizures made at LA airports, totaling over $52 million, only one (just ONE!) resulted in a criminal indictment. No national estimate because there is no standard reporting system.
IMO, what now happens in this country is raw, out-and-out theft by law enforcement. And, police seem not to realise this affects their credibility with the public. Go figure.
The intent of the law is to stop money laundering and other illegal activities. You can carry/transfer (electronically or physically) any amount of money, but the fed, the custom, or applicable law enforcement agencies must be notified if any amount is over limit (I believe $10,000 is the limit)
Law enforcement personnel properly will look at you with lots of suspicion if you are caught with amount of money larger than the limit or any gigantic amount There is no reason to worry if the source of your money is not from any illegal activities.
(Dennis Hastert withdrawn a total of $1 million from several banks by taking out less than $10,000 repeatedly to avoid a mandatory reporting. His repeated withdrawals became suspicious and subsequently he was questioned by the FBI. He lied to the FBI agents about what he had done with the money, and upon further investigation, the money trail led to the discovery that he was a child molester).
You can read more about the sexual predator/former GOP Speaker of the House here:
https://mises.org/blog/dennis-hastert-sentenced-15-months-non-crime-improper-cash-withdrawals
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:07:13 AM
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...pay $100 to get TSA Pre-Checked... Put cash in pockets and walk through metal detector...
We all know cops + money = cops ROBBING most people of non-drug money, but we also know the steps to prevent this.
1) Pre-check above.
2) Carry W2G's and bank statements
3) Carry Nersessians book(s) and other gambling related books.
4) Don't try to hide the money by sealing it/etc... looks more suspecious.
Seriously, I flew with $12k to vegas a few months back and I just held it in my hands over my head in the body scanner. I kept it in my palm, but at the same time I didn't actively look like I was "hiding" it. The security guard didn't even ask to leaf through it. I just walked through and was good to go.
We all know cops + money = cops ROBBING most people of non-drug money, but we also know the steps to prevent this.
1) Pre-check above.
2) Carry W2G's and bank statements
3) Carry Nersessians book(s) and other gambling related books.
4) Don't try to hide the money by sealing it/etc... looks more suspecious.
Seriously, I flew with $12k to vegas a few months back and I just held it in my hands over my head in the body scanner. I kept it in my palm, but at the same time I didn't actively look like I was "hiding" it. The security guard didn't even ask to leaf through it. I just walked through and was good to go.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 11:09:47 AM
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This sounds like PaiGowDan and "if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide!" I disagree. Asset forfiture is a very real and very scary thing and happens to WAY MORE people doing nothing illegal than it does to criminals. In giving the cops the keys to the criminals cash, we also gave them the keys to our own. Slippery slope. This is why we must take the proper precautions to avoid getting in these situations; did someone mention TSA Pre-check?Quote: 777...Law enforcement personnel properly will look at you with lots of suspicion if you are caught with amount of money larger than the limit or any gigantic amount There is no reason to worry if the source of your money is not from any illegal activities...
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:27:24 AM
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So, would traveling by car to Vegas with about $9,000 in cash be a problem? I'm assuming that the California Highway Patrol would need some kind of probable cause to search me or my vehicle. Speeding or unsafe lane change wouldn't meet this threshold. Can I just say that I don't give my permission to be searched? Can I ask for a supervisor to be called to the scene?
So having my bank withdrawl receipt with me is a good idea just in case? Should I hide the money in my vehicle or just have it in my pocket?
Should I be concerned about any of this in California?
Is this really an issue traveling by car in 2016?
So having my bank withdrawl receipt with me is a good idea just in case? Should I hide the money in my vehicle or just have it in my pocket?
Should I be concerned about any of this in California?
Is this really an issue traveling by car in 2016?
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:34:19 AM
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GJ, there's a great Gambling With An Edge about 2 AP's that were traveling with like $80k through Oklahoma and had this issue. They got targeted for out of state plates, followed, then pulled over for no reason. They were asked to search the car, said no, then the cop called in a dog, which of course gave the signal for drugs (which there were none of). Then they searched the car and found the money.
HOWEVER, the AP's did do several things right... They told the cops they were AP's, had W2's and W2G's proving their professional gambler status, had a map of all the places they had been and were going, and had gambling books with them. The reason I'm sharing is this is an old broadcast everyone should have heard and if not it will still be vastly informational/entertaining to go look up.
If you have the same state plates I would worry a bit less, unless you're in a high drug trafficking area. Then I would carry all of the same things above and not give any reasons to be pulled over. In fact, if you see a cop you could start recording with your phone on a dash-holster or something too. You should be fine at that point, but yes plenty of cops have turned in to robbers.
HOWEVER, the AP's did do several things right... They told the cops they were AP's, had W2's and W2G's proving their professional gambler status, had a map of all the places they had been and were going, and had gambling books with them. The reason I'm sharing is this is an old broadcast everyone should have heard and if not it will still be vastly informational/entertaining to go look up.
If you have the same state plates I would worry a bit less, unless you're in a high drug trafficking area. Then I would carry all of the same things above and not give any reasons to be pulled over. In fact, if you see a cop you could start recording with your phone on a dash-holster or something too. You should be fine at that point, but yes plenty of cops have turned in to robbers.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 11:40:13 AM
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Amazing how 40k turns into 80k when Romes tells a story;)
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:48:26 AM
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This isn't really a problem. As several others have pointed out, there are several steps you can take to "legitimize" your possession of large amounts of cash, even if you feel passionately that it is yer Gawd-given right as an AMURRICAN CIT O' ZEN to carry cash and you shouldn't have to take such steps. But what if you run afoul of an overzealous TSA agent and lose your cash? Simple. Document everything. Get witnesses' contact information. File a claim for the seized money ASAP. If you aren't found guilty of a crime, you WILL get the money back. Though true, if you do nothing, you might never see it again (because the Feds will, because of that, assume that the money was indeed the result of illegal activity and you therefore prefer to just skulk away). The reports of "theft" are distortions for the most part. Behave like an honest citizen who has that cash for legitimate reasons and you'll get it back, or likely never lose it in the first place. Act like you have something to hide, yell at the cops, refuse to provide ID, and then when you get home, put your efforts into furious blog posts rather than recovering the money, then...not so much.
Believe me, the cops have PLENTY of ways to squeeze money out of us without doing this. Case in point: illegal U-turn traffic ticket in Henderson last year. Fine: $550--and that's after I showed up in court!
Though as I said in another post, carrying large amounts of cash is supremely dumb, for a host of reasons that have nothing to do with the feds or TSA. People who do that might be engaging in anachronistic thinking, when gambling was a societally frowned-upon shady activity and banks were only open Mon-Fri until 3 pm. Back then, you HAD to carry a lot of cash just so you could always stay in action. But now? No point in running the risk.
Believe me, the cops have PLENTY of ways to squeeze money out of us without doing this. Case in point: illegal U-turn traffic ticket in Henderson last year. Fine: $550--and that's after I showed up in court!
Though as I said in another post, carrying large amounts of cash is supremely dumb, for a host of reasons that have nothing to do with the feds or TSA. People who do that might be engaging in anachronistic thinking, when gambling was a societally frowned-upon shady activity and banks were only open Mon-Fri until 3 pm. Back then, you HAD to carry a lot of cash just so you could always stay in action. But now? No point in running the risk.
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:48:53 AM
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777,
>> ...Dennis Hastert
And, Dennis Hastert got charged with a crime. That's the difference.
If police say they think my money must be involved in some illegal activity, then so am I. The money never does anything by itself. Charge me with whatever crime I may have committed, and let me defend myself (and my property) in a court of law.
Even if cash forfeiture is a good crime-fighting tool, I don't think it is sound policy to say the police get to keep the $$ and use it off-budget for whatever purpose(s) they choose. One of the big problems is that law enforcement now sees this as a way to supplement its budget, with few, if any controls or public oversight of money collected or how it is used.
If we as a society decide cash asset forfeiture is a good policy, let's put it into the public budget, and have the people and their elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Folks responding to Keyser's thread (in my original post) showed where police said they used it for "toys" and showed where police used it to buy a Margarita machine for the employees. (That long thread will possibly open your eyes to a lot about the subject, and it's something everyone should take the time to read. It's a gem.)
Believe whatever you want. I believe current cash asset forfeiture policy is wrong.
>> ...Dennis Hastert
And, Dennis Hastert got charged with a crime. That's the difference.
If police say they think my money must be involved in some illegal activity, then so am I. The money never does anything by itself. Charge me with whatever crime I may have committed, and let me defend myself (and my property) in a court of law.
Even if cash forfeiture is a good crime-fighting tool, I don't think it is sound policy to say the police get to keep the $$ and use it off-budget for whatever purpose(s) they choose. One of the big problems is that law enforcement now sees this as a way to supplement its budget, with few, if any controls or public oversight of money collected or how it is used.
If we as a society decide cash asset forfeiture is a good policy, let's put it into the public budget, and have the people and their elected representatives decide where it should be spent. Folks responding to Keyser's thread (in my original post) showed where police said they used it for "toys" and showed where police used it to buy a Margarita machine for the employees. (That long thread will possibly open your eyes to a lot about the subject, and it's something everyone should take the time to read. It's a gem.)
Believe whatever you want. I believe current cash asset forfeiture policy is wrong.
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:54:55 AM
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Quote: GreasyjohnSo, would traveling by car to Vegas with about $9,000 in cash be a problem? I'm assuming that the California Highway Patrol would need some kind of probable cause to search me or my vehicle. Speeding or unsafe lane change wouldn't meet this threshold. Can I just say that I don't give my permission to be searched? Can I ask for a supervisor to be called to the scene?
So having my bank withdrawl receipt with me is a good idea just in case? Should I hide the money in my vehicle or just have it in my pocket?
Should I be concerned about any of this in California?
Is this really an issue traveling by car in 2016?
$10,000 non-reporting limit is Federal law. So the law is applicable to all 50 states.
There is no reason to worry with $9000 amount you mention, or even if the amount you carried is greater than $10,000 as long as your money is not from illegal activities. The only time you should worry is if you encounter bad cops, or Arizona’s Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio (or should I add perhaps if you are black or hispanic ????) and there are plenty of bad cops out there.
If you are stopped 99 times by the police and each time your $9000 cash is visibly displayed, then it would certainly raise some level of suspicion.
Speeding and unsafe lane change are not probable cause for property search or body search.
This is a type of cop or law enforcement personnel you should worry whether you carry a tiny or a large sum of money regardless of your race or ethnicity:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FArpaio%2C%20Joseph%20M.&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0
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August 23rd, 2016 at 12:02:14 PM
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Hahaha, I couldn't recall the amount but I knew it was for sure more than like $10-$20k. Hey, if everytime I mentioned $40k it rutned in to $80k that would be a good thing ;)Quote: mcallister3200Amazing how 40k turns into 80k when Romes tells a story;)
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August 23rd, 2016 at 12:16:34 PM
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I added the driving with money link to the op for convenience; as Lucky said, it's a great thread.
A very good aricle from there, provided by AoS. Worth repeating here:
https://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/when-can-police-search-your-car/
A very good aricle from there, provided by AoS. Worth repeating here:
https://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/when-can-police-search-your-car/
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August 23rd, 2016 at 12:21:22 PM
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Romes,
>>...I flew with $12k to vegas a few months back and I just held it in my hands
Outtasite! Seems the problem might not be carrying cast TO Vegas, as perhaps returning FROM Vegas (perhaps with a stop-over somewhere). True, TSA doesn't seize cash. But, I've seen reports TSA is beginning to point cash-heavy travelers out to local law enforcement.
Were you waving a similar cash amount through screening when you returned to some small airport, like Huntsville, AL or Savannah, GA?
>>...I flew with $12k to vegas a few months back and I just held it in my hands
Outtasite! Seems the problem might not be carrying cast TO Vegas, as perhaps returning FROM Vegas (perhaps with a stop-over somewhere). True, TSA doesn't seize cash. But, I've seen reports TSA is beginning to point cash-heavy travelers out to local law enforcement.
Were you waving a similar cash amount through screening when you returned to some small airport, like Huntsville, AL or Savannah, GA?
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:31:03 PM
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I did the same thing back... and if you connect through some weird city you shouldn't have to go back through security, so your cash and your bags stay on you at all times and you don't get searched again. Plus, leaving Vegas with a lot of cash shouldn't look too shady. After all, you were just in VEGAS. I'd think flying TO Vegas would be more difficult, but even then I've literally never been stopped. ONE time the guy asked me to leaf through the cash just to make sure I didn't have any drug packets or something burried in the bills. He did it very quickly then handed it back to me and I was on my way no problem. Didn't pull me asside or anything, just quick check and done.Quote: LuckyPhow...Were you waving a similar cash amount through screening when you returned to some small airport, like Huntsville, AL or Savannah, GA?
Don't know if it matters... but those machines don't see through bone. So I hold it with my right hand against the back of my left hand. Gotta figure it doesn't even show up on the scan at that point.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 12:31:11 PM
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Greasy,
>>...Is this really an issue traveling by car in 2016?
The original thread I mentioned is almost totally about seizures from folks driving cars, and about what to say and do when stopped. It's long, but it tells you what you need to know.
And, IMHO, the answer to your question is, Yes!
>>...Is this really an issue traveling by car in 2016?
The original thread I mentioned is almost totally about seizures from folks driving cars, and about what to say and do when stopped. It's long, but it tells you what you need to know.
And, IMHO, the answer to your question is, Yes!
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:57:45 PM
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It isn't a problem until it is. As I said before Roams if you don't think it's a big problem please sell us some insurance(you should be able to clean up). Just have people follow all your advice and if they do you will pay whatever is taken -a a small percentage /deductible so people follow your advice.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:02:48 PM
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WRONG please research all the people who have not recovered their money and they were never even charged with a crime.Quote: JoeshlabotnikFile a claim for the seized money ASAP. If you aren't found guilty of a crime, you WILL get the money back.
That article gives an example of someone who showed proof where the money came from ( a retirement fund) and what it was for. They still kept 4k of the money.
I really think people should stop telling people this is not a problem, it is a problem and it only takes one time and one bad person or situation.
It's easy to sit back and say it's OK when it's not you going though the airport with money. It's some poker player bringing his bankroll to the WSOP.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:13:12 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI added the driving with money link to the op for convenience; as Lucky said, it's a great thread.
A very good aricle from there, provided by AoS. Worth repeating here:
https://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/when-can-police-search-your-car/
Big +1 to this. If you don't know it, learn it now. And if you have kids / loved ones, it is your duty to inform them of this.
I was stopped recently and had at least 5 violations, one of them involving weapons. Not only was the stop full of smiles, it ended with 1 ticket that was conditional'd in court. The whole shindig cost me about an hour total and zero dollars, because of information like that found above.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:13:44 PM
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I'm thinking of cancelling my travel plans by vehicle across a boarder because of the issues regarding civil forfeiture. I'm thinking about doing an ATM withdrawal once I get there but the problem will then be the return trip back with the cash.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:27:10 PM
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Could you turn it in to a bank draft/travelers check/etc? I assume this would require a branch of your bank to be across the boarder as well though perhaps?Quote: WinoI'm thinking of cancelling my travel plans by vehicle across a boarder because of the issues regarding civil forfeiture. I'm thinking about doing an ATM withdrawal once I get there but the problem will then be the return trip back with the cash.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:35:39 PM
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Quote: RomesThis sounds like PaiGowDan and "if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide!" I disagree. Asset forfiture is a very real and very scary thing and happens to WAY MORE people doing nothing illegal than it does to criminals. In giving the cops the keys to the criminals cash, we also gave them the keys to our own. Slippery slope. This is why we must take the proper precautions to avoid getting in these situations; did someone mention TSA Pre-check?
Paigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.
I exchange sometimes LARGE amounts of money between my brother in Alabama and myself in Vegas, all legit; yet we still wire money or use other means, - particularly using the Chase bank's AP payment system, all legit. I transferred $82,000 from a New York bank to buy the property I still live in here in Las Vegas in about 10 minutes at a real estate office ten years ago. This is even easier at a casino cage where they want your action.
Traveling to a casino? - I withdraw $5K at the cage from my account with my ID and bank or credit card, with no cops on the highway involved. Really, Not Hard To Do. More than that? Then have a casino host arrange it, - and get comped big time at the same time.
Mix it up...travel with American Express Traveler's checks, How CAN a police department possibly cash it or claim that your vacation money is possibly theirs? (Keep the receipts at home or with your sister in Cleveland) - It's yours for your gambling vacation. Write a personal check for your destination's expenses, and withdraw it at your destination, whether Chase, of BOA, or Wells Fargo, the casino will certainly honor it at the cage if they want your business. Spend 10 minutes at your local branch to arrange this, if you are on the up-and-up.
Carry ten Postal Money orders for $500 each made out to you, for $5,000, and send the receipts under separate cover. Better yet, make a payroll check out to you and cash it at a bank at your destination, if you own a business.
So Yeah, if you are doing nothing wrong, travel with documented and cashable financial instruments. You may travel with Traveler's Checks, payroll checks, or wire transfers.
If you carry cash, even the cops will rob you. But they can't cash your payroll or Traveler's checks.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 1:37:07 PM
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I have flown with $10k+ in cash on multiple occasions.
I usually have it in a few different zippered compartments in my backpack, and some on my person, just in case I get pick-pocketed/pick-backpacked I still have most of my money.
I just send the $$ through the x-ray machine, albeit I am close to watch it, and I wait to let it though the machine until the person in front of me has gone through the security machine, and then I step up and go through the machine and watch for my bag on the other side.
I was once picked to get the "extra loving" on a flight from Denver back home. TSA didn't have issue with me not leaving until I got my bag, and actually seemed glad I thought of if before I went into a special room.
They rummaged through my bag for a couple minutes, found a couple rubberbanded groups of $2k (didn't find a few others) and ran a patch that indicates bomb residue (and maybe drug residue, but he only mentioned explosives) through some of the money and let me go.
I usually have it in a few different zippered compartments in my backpack, and some on my person, just in case I get pick-pocketed/pick-backpacked I still have most of my money.
I just send the $$ through the x-ray machine, albeit I am close to watch it, and I wait to let it though the machine until the person in front of me has gone through the security machine, and then I step up and go through the machine and watch for my bag on the other side.
I was once picked to get the "extra loving" on a flight from Denver back home. TSA didn't have issue with me not leaving until I got my bag, and actually seemed glad I thought of if before I went into a special room.
They rummaged through my bag for a couple minutes, found a couple rubberbanded groups of $2k (didn't find a few others) and ran a patch that indicates bomb residue (and maybe drug residue, but he only mentioned explosives) through some of the money and let me go.
Statistics don't lie, they deceive.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:46:55 PM
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For a normal gambler that's all fine and dandy.
However let's assume your an AP and you are going to some icolated casino and arrive Friday night to make a play. There may be obvious reasons you don't want to wire money to the casino or cash travelers checks or whatever there. Banks are closed until Monday.
Let's say win on Friday and want to fly or drive back home on Sunday. You can have all the proper paperwork you want they can and still do take money when people had and have legitimate reasons for having the money.
There's many situations where people might want to carry cash.
AP or not the law's on this need to be changed. FYI it's not just money they take either. Let's say you went and bought some gold from somome to keep just in case a financial meltdown. They could keep that to.
However let's assume your an AP and you are going to some icolated casino and arrive Friday night to make a play. There may be obvious reasons you don't want to wire money to the casino or cash travelers checks or whatever there. Banks are closed until Monday.
Let's say win on Friday and want to fly or drive back home on Sunday. You can have all the proper paperwork you want they can and still do take money when people had and have legitimate reasons for having the money.
There's many situations where people might want to carry cash.
AP or not the law's on this need to be changed. FYI it's not just money they take either. Let's say you went and bought some gold from somome to keep just in case a financial meltdown. They could keep that to.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:26:08 PM
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Quote: Maverick17I have flown with $10k+ in cash on multiple occasions.
I usually have it in a few different zippered compartments in my backpack, and some on my person, just in case I get pick-pocketed/pick-backpacked I still have most of my money.
Smart thinking. Hard to do a total take-down robbery in an airport, though actually less secure than a casino.
Quote: MVI just send the $$ through the x-ray machine, albeit I am close to watch it, and I wait to let it though the machine until the person in front of me has gone through the security machine, and then I step up and go through the machine and watch for my bag on the other side.
Still, stay close to your bags.
Quote: MVI was once picked to get the "extra loving" on a flight from Denver back home. TSA didn't have issue with me not leaving until I got my bag, and actually seemed glad I thought of if before I went into a special room.
They rummaged through my bag for a couple minutes, found a couple rubberbanded groups of $2k (didn't find a few others) and ran a patch that indicates bomb residue (and maybe drug residue, but he only mentioned explosives) through some of the money and let me go.
On a domestic flight, they're swab-checking for traces of epinephrine (a cold medicine that is a precursor to Methamphetamine), as well as methamphetamine itself, cocaine, fentanyl, oxycodone, and the benzodiazepams - along with explosive traces - if they see a bit of unusual money. As in "You are picked." I went through this returning from Puerto Rico with a girl I knew then, a number of years ago. We avoided the Special room, which involves rubber gloves and X-ray machines.
(If you wanted to screw a travel companion who's traveling with money, you could pretty much spray a little NyQuil on his bags, as Dextromethorphan may also be picked up as a "dissassociative-class drug"., or some firecracker or street drug contents...remember, angry wives packing their husbands' travel bags have placed loaded .38's into their carry-ons, if the late Sam Kinison is any example....) Don't let your travel bags of your sight, from the bedroom packing to the flight's boarding!
Again, $1,500 or $2,000 in cash in this case may be about the limit caught, before they may seriously search your ass.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 2:28:37 PM
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Oh god... What have I done?Quote: PaigowdanPaigowdan here:...
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:31:12 PM
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Rome people are looking for some AF insurance, you could be the go to guy what do you say? Sounds like a good business opportunity for you.Quote: RomesOh god... What have I done?Quote: PaigowdanPaigowdan here:...
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:48:01 PM
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All or nearly all responds in this thread seem to express great concern about cops or law enforcement personnel when it comes to money seizure activity. So my question to all is this: Is this the case of bad law or bad cop, or both?
In contrast to other cops’ brutality or questionable/controversial action caught in videos discussion on other threads, many defended cops’ brutal or questionable/controversial behaviors through various justifications or reasonings.
It is hard for me to fathom of such complete contrast of people’s opinions about cops regarding money seizure activity and non-money seizure activity by cops?
In contrast to other cops’ brutality or questionable/controversial action caught in videos discussion on other threads, many defended cops’ brutal or questionable/controversial behaviors through various justifications or reasonings.
It is hard for me to fathom of such complete contrast of people’s opinions about cops regarding money seizure activity and non-money seizure activity by cops?
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:56:22 PM
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Funny , disturbing, educational. If you haven't seen it it's a must see.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:57:22 PM
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Quote: Romes[Calling upon Paigowdan...]Oh god... What have I done?
You summoned the devil yourself.
Quote: 777All or nearly all responds in this thread seem to express great concern about cops or law enforcement personnel when it comes to money seizure activity. So my question to all is this: Is this the case of bad law or bad cop, or both?
Both.
1. Bad cops exist. - check!
2. Bad laws exist (that allow bad cops to do this!). - check!
3. Traveling with cash that is not physically on your person cannot be taken from you by such cops, or any cops. [As this would require judges and lawyers, who know more about the law and are less likely to do this than cops.]
Quote: 777In contrast to other cops’ brutality or questionable/controversial action caught in videos discussion on other threads, many defended cops’ brutal or questionable/controversial behaviors through various justifications or reasonings.
It's totally indefensible by them in the end - but you can still lose the cash on you if you are not smart before travelling.
They can say either one of two things:
1. Cry me a river, and you're broke, and you're now free to go.
2. Cry me a river, and you still have your assets, and you are now free to go.
It's NOT a question if bad cops exit. It's a question of keeping what's yours in spite of them while traveling.
In this regard, trust wire transfers, other defensive measures, and the casino cage more than them if you are concerned.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 3:42:01 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanPaigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.
I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...
Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?
No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.
Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.
Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.
It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 4:25:23 PM
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Great post.Quote: FaceQuote: PaigowdanPaigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.
I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?
No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.
Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.
Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.
It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:38:21 PM
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I used to have a devil may care attitude toward this subject, but Axel and a few others made me realize I was wrong. While I never had a problem, I now travel prepared with justification for everything I carry. The smart ones learn to be proactive , fair or unfair. Debating what has happened to America is valid, but once you lose your cash, it's on an entire different level. I hope everyone realizes how serious this subject can be and does the research before traveling.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:43:03 PM
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Very well said! Restore the IVth amendment.Quote: FaceQuote: PaigowdanPaigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.
I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?
No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.
Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.
Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.
It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.
"Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things."
-- Isaac Newton
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:50:51 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfGreat post.
Quote: BozI used to have a devil may care attitude toward this subject, but Axel and a few others made me realize I was wrong.
Thank the gods.
The deeply Dem here have told me that "fixing" comes by way of effort, action, and time. I beg all to do just that. Take the time to learn your legal rights. Put in the effort to exercise them. Take action and teach those around you. In gambling terms, you have NO idea how much EV each and every one of you piss away on any given traffic stop. This isn't about being a d#$%head or YouTube cowboy. It's about being a informed, strong individual.
6 years as the eye in the sky and I can count the number of crimes followed through with on one freaking hand. Every time, bar (almost) none, people roll over. I've seen people have hundreds stolen, the person caught, restitution unavailable, and they're fine with getting back $280 out of the $800 that was taken. Issue totally dropped. It's disgusting and shameful.
The only way for evil to succeed and all that. Stop letting it.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:08:06 PM
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It sickened me to hear the story about some young kid (I think he was young) who's father gave him some money to relocate and find a job. Only to have it "legally" taken from him with little recourse.
I just imagine here's a father who probably scraped up as much money as he could to help his son go do something good. Probably a kid who didn't have a bank account, didn't even fathom something like this could or would ever happen. Now the kid is stuck in NV with no money, no food, no gas, no job and no resources. This is the kind of sh*t that could mess someone's entire life up.
I guess Dan thinks that's OK because the kid should have known better and protected himself.
I just imagine here's a father who probably scraped up as much money as he could to help his son go do something good. Probably a kid who didn't have a bank account, didn't even fathom something like this could or would ever happen. Now the kid is stuck in NV with no money, no food, no gas, no job and no resources. This is the kind of sh*t that could mess someone's entire life up.
I guess Dan thinks that's OK because the kid should have known better and protected himself.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:13:13 PM
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Quote: FaceI can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...
Let me cut through the Malarkey and clear this thing up for you, FACE or Axel-Rod: Everyone is resposible for covering his ass and assets - regardless of class level or accusations.
And don't worry about talking nice to me, shoot, no one does, and I really don't care.
If you're traveling far from home with fifteen-plus C-notes on person/in pocket,
1. Expect that you may get robbed, - highway cops included;
2. Don't cry us or yourself a river - if done warned in plain English how to take reasonable precautions while out on the road.
3. "Almost" serves you right if not otherwise smart enough in the modern world, and;
4. No sympathy. Zero. None. Bordering on "serves you right to lose it." Seriously.
Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
Quote: FaceLiberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?
No. Just for the non-stupid and reasonably world-wise - regardless of class. It isn't based on race or ethnicity or income or oppression, and DON'T try to say it is, Face, as you're implying. A POOR man doesn't travel in an old Chevy 600 miles with $19,000 in cash! He goes to Envios Cambios and protects himself just as I go to Chase Bank or the Bank of Las Vegas. I say, Don't give a crook an even chance on your stash, in any scenario, that's all.
Hence the easy advice. Don't be a Mark when warned not to in the real world,
Quote: FaceNo. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
C'mon now, Face, - don't be some sort of a Shangri-La Social Justice Warrior here, just pointing out the risk of traveling with too much cash.
In surveillance you bust AP players and crooks, and here you talk Shangri-La stuff, La-La stuff to me - I'm just not buying it.
Quote: FaceOpinions such as these make me literally sick.
Good, fine.
Personally, I consider it the mildest of punishments you might deserve if you take that naïve position. (On a new twist, they say: hurl me a river.)
Quote: FaceIt's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.
No, It's business as the world simply is today, and yes as such it is damn good advice. I meant it in only that way. To apologize a tad here, and to soften things, I agree it [corruption anywhere] is not right or good, but it is the world we deal with. Why set yourself up as a mark when you don't have to, and when it is simple to avoid all these headaches?
Quote: FaceMaybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.
Hey, I saw to it by work and by the school of hard knocks. NO apology here at all.
But the thing is, ANYONE can walk into a check-cashing or "Envios Cambios" place and buy money orders or a pre-paid debit card to thwart cash seizures and stick-ups, - regardless of social class, so don't play a class or race or immigrant thing to it. People have access to the same basic banking and precautions that I have, whether $19,000 a year or $104,572 a year. No apologizes, and it is NOT that much.
I'm sorry, but the lowliest immigrant knows as much when facing the business end of a switchblade or a crooked cop on the highway, for that matter. NOTHING elitist here, and to imply otherwise is Codswallop Poppycock Balderdash Malarkey. And Ron White is less of a false Social Justice Warrior than I am, but admittedly, not by much.
Quote: FaceMaybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route.
If you do this you're an idiot. You just need to protect yourself in travel, if you've done this then you've covered a reasonable nut.
Quote: FaceAm I an idiot?
I won't say, "There ya go..." - as I do think you're pretty sharp, Face.
Quote: FaceBut am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.
You DESERVE Liberty and Justice, hence taking precautions to preserve your liberty, justice, (and CASH when ON THE ROAD.)
However, - failure to do this may make you an idiot - a broke ass idiot who got robbed. Nothing wrong in wiring money for safety, or owning a Ruger .380, what have you. We live in MORE than just a rough world - we live in a real world.
Quote: FaceIt's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns.
Oh, The Hell It Does. (And this coming from Surveillance....wow...)
If I were an HONEST cop, I would accept a reasonable reason for a driver having $6,000 in C-notes - but I would have my suspicions and book it as evidence if NOT receiving a plausible (cop-wise) scenario - AND to be returned upon reasonable proof to the court.
And I tell you, Mr. Driver would receive a lecture on using and supporting Credit Unions "for the people" to protect them - as fellow Americans, or even illegals. Wire the money or use Travelers' checks or pre-paid cards, you Schmuck.
Quote: FACEIt's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation.
Yeah, that's exactly my point - protect yourself in this real world, and DON'T expect justice, even/especially from cops and the court. We're here on suffereance, so please don't volunteer to be the poster boy.
Quote: FaceNo harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night.
The onus IS on the common man, and he needs help and advice from his fellow gambling man every step of the way to protect his ass from the man.
Quote: FaceI have no idea how you can sleep at all.
And who the Hell are you to judge me, or how well I sleep? I sleep mighty fine, right after Jimmy Fallon.
I think you're a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior taking shots here at this board.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 5:35:12 PM
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Nice long post Dan, but based on your well known views, most wouldn't expect anything else. I.E., you wasted you time posting. Unless of course Jimmy is off tonight and we all need something to put us to sleep.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:51:44 PM
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Quote: BozNice long post Dan, but based on your well known views, most wouldn't expect anything else. I.E., you wasted you time posting. Unless of course Jimmy is off tonight and we all need something to put us to sleep.
Are you kiddin' ?
You read it, loved it, and cursed me for it because you disagree, and have trouble falsifying it. The real deal.
A gambler who travels protects himself.
Any and all should.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:58:35 PM
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I wonder if they ignore the so-called fifteen hundred dollar rule for people flying to Las Vegas?
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"What, me worry?"
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:04:00 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanLet me cut through the Malarkey and clear this thing up for you, FACE or Axel-Rod: Everyone is resposible for covering his ass and assets - regardless of class level or accusations.
And don't worry about talking nice to me, shoot, no one does, and I really don't care.
If you're traveling far from home with fifteen-plus C-notes on person/in pocket,
1. Expect that you may get robbed, - highway cops included;
2. Don't cry us or yourself a river - if done warned in plain English how to take reasonable precautions while out on the road.
3. "Almost" serves you right if not otherwise smart enough in the modern world, and;
4. No sympathy. Zero. None. Bordering on "serves you right to lose it." Seriously.Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
No. Just for the non-stupid and reasonably world-wise - regardless of class. It isn't based on race or ethnicity or income or oppression, and DON'T try to say it is, Face, as you're implying. A POOR man doesn't travel in an old Chevy 600 miles with $19,000 in cash! He goes to Envios Cambios and protects himself just as I go to Chase Bank or the Bank of Las Vegas. I say, Don't give a crook an even chance on your stash, in any scenario, that's all.
Hence the easy advice. Don't be a Mark when warned not to in the real world,Quote: FaceNo. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
C'mon now, Face, - don't be some sort of a Shangri-La Social Justice Warrior here, just pointing out the risk of traveling with too much cash.
In surveillance you bust AP players, and here you talk Shangri-La stuff, La-La stuff to me - I'm just not buying it.
Good, fine.
Personally, I consider it the mildest of punishments you might deserve if you take that naïve position. (On a new twist, they say: hurl me a river.)
No, It's business as the world simply is today, and yes as such it is damn good advice. I meant it in only that way. To apologize a tad here, and to soften things, I agree it [corruption anywhere] is not right or good, but it is the world we deal with. Why set yourself up as a mark when you don't have to, and when it is simple to avoid all these headaches?
Hey, I saw to it by work and by the school of hard knocks. NO apology here at all.
But the thing is, ANYONE can walk into a check-cashing or "Envios Cambios" place and buy money orders or a pre-paid debit card to thwart cash seizures and stick-ups, - regardless of social class, so don't play a class or race or immigrant thing to it. People have access to the same basic banking and precautions that I have, whether $19,000 a year or $104,572 a year. No apologizes, and it is NOT that much.
I'm sorry, but the lowliest immigrant knows as much when facing the business end of a switchblade or a crooked cop on the highway, for that matter. NOTHING elitist here, and to imply otherwise is Codswallop Poppycock Balderdash Malarkey. And Ron White is less of a false Social Justice Warrior than I am, but admittedly, not by much.
If you do this you're an idiot. You just need to protect yourself in travel, if you've done this then you've covered a reasonable nut.
I won't say, "There ya go..." - as I do think you're pretty sharp, Face.
You DESERVE Liberty and Justice, hence taking precautions to preserve your liberty, justice, (and CASH when ON THE ROAD.)
Oh, The Hell It Does. (And this coming from Surveillance....wow...)
If I were an HONEST cop, I would accept a reasonable reason for a driver having $6,000 in C-notes - but I would have my suspicions and book it as evidence if NOT receiving a plausible (cop-wise) scenario - AND to be returned upon reasonable proof to the court.
And I tell you, Mr. Driver would receive a lecture on using and supporting Credit Unions "for the people" to protect them - as fellow Americans, or even illegals.
Yeah, that's exactly my point - protect yourself in this real world, and DON'T expect justice, even/especially from cops and the court. We're here on suffereance, so please don't volunteer to be the poster boy.It's not just some rogue cops doing this. It's an organized legal theft. Even the bad cops are given permission and encouraged to do this on a grand scale(Billions worth)Quote: FaceNo harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night.
The onus IS on the common man, and he needs help and advice from his fellow gambling man every step of the way to protect his ass from the man.
And who the Hell are you to judge me, or how well I sleep? I sleep mighty fine, right after Jimmy Fallon.
I think you're a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior taking shots here at this board.
Everyone money or property is automatically is automatically guilty even when the people are obviously innocent. Due to shot deadlines and legal costs people lose their money. It's not some rare bad cop situation.
You think it's just people traveling with money? Well It's not, they are going into innocent peoples homes and taking their cash. Here's a quick case. Drug dealer on 2nd floor apartment was raided. Neighbors who had zero affiliation with him or drugs the cops I'm the midst of the raid break into their apartment find one person with $1500 and someone with $2000 and they take it. They neighbors only get back $1500 of the $3500 and only after getting a lawyer and 5 court apperiances and 18 months. Everyone's in on it not just a bad cop hete and there because the court's had the opportunity to make it right yet they didn't.
87 year old woman saves her pension money of $2000
They take it from her HOME. And guess what?
You might want to do some more research on this subject. There's a lot more to it than you think.♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:08:31 PM
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Quote: MrVI wonder if they ignore the so-called fifteen hundred dollar rule for people flying to for Las Vegas?
I
Yes.
if it the size of your regular paycheck, as well as the amount you'd at least on occasion typically carry, (and it is for many Americans), the TSA cannot make a claim to it as suspicious. They really can't say anything for you cashing and taking your paycheck amount on a Vegas vacation.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:18:01 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanYes.
if it the size of your regular paycheck, as well as the amount you'd at least on occasion typically carry, (and it is for many Americans), the TSA cannot make a claim to it as suspicious. They really can't say anything for you cashing and taking your paycheck amount on a Vegas vacation.
You would have a case if $2,000 or $3,000 were an issue for them. Going in, it's your vacation and gambling money for the trip, and going out, your hot dice roll winnings. In a car on an empty highway, it would be different.
Some Cops, seeing more cash than their own paychecks allot for, may react strangely, whether the driver was a salt of the earth American farm boy who's now a general, or what have you.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:21:25 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanLet me cut through the Malarkey and clear this thing up for you, FACE or Axel-Rod: Everyone is resposible for covering his ass and assets - regardless of class level or accusations.
And don't worry about talking nice to me, shoot, no one does, and I really don't care.
If you're traveling far from home with fifteen-plus C-notes on person/in pocket,
1. Expect that you may get robbed, - highway cops included;
2. Don't cry us or yourself a river - if done warned in plain English how to take reasonable precautions while out on the road.
3. "Almost" serves you right if not otherwise smart enough in the modern world, and;
4. No sympathy. Zero. None. Bordering on "serves you right to lose it." Seriously.Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
No. Just for the non-stupid and reasonably world-wise - regardless of class. It isn't based on race or ethnicity or income or oppression, and DON'T try to say it is, Face, as you're implying. A POOR man doesn't travel in an old Chevy 600 miles with $19,000 in cash! He goes to Envios Cambios and protects himself just as I go to Chase Bank or the Bank of Las Vegas. I say, Don't give a crook an even chance on your stash, in any scenario, that's all.
Hence the easy advice. Don't be a Mark when warned not to in the real world,Quote: FaceNo. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
C'mon now, Face, - don't be some sort of a Shangri-La Social Justice Warrior here, just pointing out the risk of traveling with too much cash.
In surveillance you bust AP players, and here you talk Shangri-La stuff, La-La stuff to me - I'm just not buying it.
Good, fine.
Personally, I consider it the mildest of punishments you might deserve if you take that naïve position. (On a new twist, they say: hurl me a river.)
No, It's business as the world simply is today, and yes as such it is damn good advice. I meant it in only that way. To apologize a tad here, and to soften things, I agree it [corruption anywhere] is not right or good, but it is the world we deal with. Why set yourself up as a mark when you don't have to, and when it is simple to avoid all these headaches?
Hey, I saw to it by work and by the school of hard knocks. NO apology here at all.
But the thing is, ANYONE can walk into a check-cashing or "Envios Cambios" place and buy money orders or a pre-paid debit card to thwart cash seizures and stick-ups, - regardless of social class, so don't play a class or race or immigrant thing to it. People have access to the same basic banking and precautions that I have, whether $19,000 a year or $104,572 a year. No apologizes, and it is NOT that much.
I'm sorry, but the lowliest immigrant knows as much when facing the business end of a switchblade or a crooked cop on the highway, for that matter. NOTHING elitist here, and to imply otherwise is Codswallop Poppycock Balderdash Malarkey. And Ron White is less of a false Social Justice Warrior than I am, but admittedly, not by much.
If you do this you're an idiot. You just need to protect yourself in travel, if you've done this then you've covered a reasonable nut.
I won't say, "There ya go..." - as I do think you're pretty sharp, Face.
You DESERVE Liberty and Justice, hence taking precautions to preserve your liberty, justice, (and CASH when ON THE ROAD.)
Oh, The Hell It Does. (And this coming from Surveillance....wow...)
If I were an HONEST cop, I would accept a reasonable reason for a driver having $6,000 in C-notes - but I would have my suspicions and book it as evidence if NOT receiving a plausible (cop-wise) scenario - AND to be returned upon reasonable proof to the court.
And I tell you, Mr. Driver would receive a lecture on using and supporting Credit Unions "for the people" to protect them - as fellow Americans, or even illegals.
Yeah, that's exactly my point - protect yourself in this real world, and DON'T expect justice, even/especially from cops and the court. We're here on suffereance, so please don't volunteer to be the poster boy.It's not just some rogue cops doing this. It's organized legal theft. Even the bad cops are given permission and encouraged to do this on a grand scale(Billions worth)Quote: FaceNo harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night.
The onus IS on the common man, and he needs help and advice from his fellow gambling man every step of the way to protect his ass from the man.
And who the Hell are you to judge me, or how well I sleep? I sleep mighty fine, right after Jimmy Fallon.
I think you're a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior taking shots here at this board.
Everyones money or property is automatically guilty even when the people are obviously innocent. Due to short deadlines and legal costs people lose their money. It's not some rare bad cop situation.
You think it's just people traveling with money? Well It's not, they are going into innocent peoples homes and taking their cash. Here's a quick case. Drug dealer on 2nd floor apartment was raided. Neighbors who had zero affiliation with him or drugs the cops I'm the midst of the raid break into their apartment find one person with $1500 and someone with $2000 and they take it. They neighbors only get back $1500 of the $3500 and only after getting a lawyer and 5 court apperiances and 18 months. Everyone's in on it not just a bad cop hete and there because the court's had the opportunity to make it right yet they didn't.
87 year old woman saves her pension money of $2000
They take it from her HOME. And guess what?
You might want to do some more research on this subject. There's a lot more to it than you think.
TSA agent told me the other day they will detain you and cease your money. I don't know if they are the ones to take it but who cares who takes it once it's gone.♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:43:50 PM
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Look:
I live in Vegas, so I can bring cash five blocks down the street and I'm in a big casino pit.
But I would just as quickly say don't travel very far with very big cash.
It is begging trouble, cop or thief crossing your path, and frequently one may be the same - under the justification of foreiture malarkey.
The longer the distance, the bigger the cash, the bigger the risk and better the reason to wire it or use Travelers Check with receipts kept at home, what have you/what do you.CASH they can take from you for the reasons given. This they cannot claim nor cash, nor put a stop on against you, short of a criminal filing in court.
I don't like the world's condition any more than FACE does, but I see it as it is: sometimes very rough the way it is. I can't consider buying a few prepaid cards or travelers checks to be an issue or an injust inconvenience, or if you can't have the casino accept a wire transfer - if you're a roller.
This is something your bank or credit union or casino cage can advise you on in a moment
I live in Vegas, so I can bring cash five blocks down the street and I'm in a big casino pit.
But I would just as quickly say don't travel very far with very big cash.
It is begging trouble, cop or thief crossing your path, and frequently one may be the same - under the justification of foreiture malarkey.
The longer the distance, the bigger the cash, the bigger the risk and better the reason to wire it or use Travelers Check with receipts kept at home, what have you/what do you.CASH they can take from you for the reasons given. This they cannot claim nor cash, nor put a stop on against you, short of a criminal filing in court.
I don't like the world's condition any more than FACE does, but I see it as it is: sometimes very rough the way it is. I can't consider buying a few prepaid cards or travelers checks to be an issue or an injust inconvenience, or if you can't have the casino accept a wire transfer - if you're a roller.
This is something your bank or credit union or casino cage can advise you on in a moment
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:44:22 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanQuote: Romes[Calling upon Paigowdan...]Oh god... What have I done?
You summoned the devil yourself.
Both.
1. Bad cops exist. - check!
2. Bad laws exist (that allow bad cops to do this!). - check!
3. Traveling with cash that is not physically on your person cannot be taken from you by such cops, or any cops. [As this would require judges and lawyers, who know more about the law and are less likely to do this than cops.]
It's totally indefensible by them in the end - but you can still lose the cash on you if you are not smart before travelling.
They can say either one of two things:
1. Cry me a river, and you're broke, and you're now free to go.
2. Cry me a river, and you still have your assets, and you are now free to go.
It's NOT a question if bad cops exit. It's a question of keeping what's yours in spite of them while traveling.
In this regard, trust wire transfers, other defensive measures, and the casino cage more than them if you are concerned.
It is very common for a black father or mother to advice their sons on how to deal with cops in certain ways to avoid becoming a victim of police brutality. And your expression or "advice" here is not an advice by any mean, but it is really a statement of blaming the victim.
Your attitude in the money seizure is a classic case of blaming the victim. Your attitude of blaming the money seizure victim is no different than blaming a rape victim because the way she dressed.
The fact that money seizure incidents discussed here is very rare, and it is very common for people to choose convenience over the low probability of having their cash legally or illegally confiscated by bad law enforcement personnel or by a corrupted enforcement agency. And there is nothing stupid for choosing such convenience. Traveling with large cash on hand for the sake of convenience is NOT the same as walking through a crime laden neighborhood at night with pocketful of cash.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:52:05 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanAre you kiddin' ?
You read it, loved it, and cursed me for it because you disagree, and have trouble falsifying it. The real deal.
A gambler who travels protects himself.
Any and all should.
No, I just see you as the ploppy you present yourself as. If I missed something along the way, feel free to inform me. Always willing to admit when I'm wrong. Because that's what smart people do. Make an educated evaluation and still be open to admitting they are wrong. My evaluation is based on your posts of what you play. But again I am not too proud to admit I was wrong based on your posted results of your play. After all, most of us are not too stubborn to learn from those who are beating the HA.
August 23rd, 2016 at 7:05:48 PM
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I am a false self-righteous Social Justice Warrior, and I been lobbing shots all month. No argument there. I certainly decry things while enjoying the advantages of them. I do engage in action in conflict with my rhetoric. Guilty as charged.
But I try. I see what not trying gets you. Since when are we not supposed to resist things which are harmful, or call out when we see it in others? I'm not perfect in that regard, I'm not asking it of others. But I try. And I am asking that.
I'm not challenging your help, your assistance. I said it straight out, as a warning as to the ways of today, it's great. It's exactly what one should do, and kudos to you for offering the advice as one who savvy to the game. But the lack of concern for such an obvious wrong apparent in your boo-hoo, cry a river post should not be tolerated. It should not be held. Hell, man, you have such deep seated views when it comes to "casino law". Do you only hold regard for your specific company, or for the gaming industry as a whole?
It's just wrong. And comparing it to criminal theft, that is, theft committed by a citizen, is unfair to the max. There are plenty of way to avoid, deter, and prevent that sort. Being aware of your surroundings, body posture, avoiding shady areas and times of day, resistance, force. What are your options when it comes to 5-0? There is but ONE. State that you do not consent, remain calm, and allow them to do any single thing they so choose. To resist means pain, if not death, and a certain criminal charge no matter how right you were.
And by the folks we employ to act in our best interest. Those who we employ to protect us, to allow us to prosper. No sir, not the same at all. It's a wrong on so many levels. Too many levels.
And yes, I did do it. Recently, too. There are plenty who are not "third world poor" but my kind of poor. I don't buy from dealers as it's too expensive, and ain't no pickins out in the sticks. Car, truck, boat... BIG purchases are made via Craigslist. And unless you're buying, say, electronics still in the package, the value is TBD. How do you do that with a cashier's check? Just make it for asking price and lose dollars you cannot afford? Or make a 12 hour round trip for nothing, because although you came to a deal, your amount of funds is concrete and doesn't fit. Unless I'm reading this wrong, for doing this I am both an idiot (an opinion I've no complaint against) but also not deserving of liberty and justice. No. I don't stand for that. I'd ask no one to stand for that, and I'd hope you'd change your mind, too.
Lastly, I have been lobbing shots. I have been more extremist than I've ever been. I just can't help it. I see things I feel are so obviously wrong, and when light is shone upon them, I feel most people just shrug and continue plodding along their path. It all ties into every other one of my rants. You want to fix the world? It's on YOU. It means doing the work and putting in the effort to stand by what is right and resist that which is wrong. Not shrug and sulk because you just got ripped off $500, but stand and fight it. Encourage others to do the same. And if there's any rah-rah warrior balderdashery here, it's out of frustration as I can't believe that asking for such base things as standing up for yourself and doing the right things are being met with RESISTANCE and DISAGREEMENT. The mind boggles.
So yes. Pow-pow, shots across the bow. I want to see passion. I want to stir you, to make you act without thinking. I want to see what's at the core, because what I see on the surface is s#$%. And I want to see if I'm not alone. It's tough doing the right thing, and I need inspiration, too.
But I try. I see what not trying gets you. Since when are we not supposed to resist things which are harmful, or call out when we see it in others? I'm not perfect in that regard, I'm not asking it of others. But I try. And I am asking that.
I'm not challenging your help, your assistance. I said it straight out, as a warning as to the ways of today, it's great. It's exactly what one should do, and kudos to you for offering the advice as one who savvy to the game. But the lack of concern for such an obvious wrong apparent in your boo-hoo, cry a river post should not be tolerated. It should not be held. Hell, man, you have such deep seated views when it comes to "casino law". Do you only hold regard for your specific company, or for the gaming industry as a whole?
It's just wrong. And comparing it to criminal theft, that is, theft committed by a citizen, is unfair to the max. There are plenty of way to avoid, deter, and prevent that sort. Being aware of your surroundings, body posture, avoiding shady areas and times of day, resistance, force. What are your options when it comes to 5-0? There is but ONE. State that you do not consent, remain calm, and allow them to do any single thing they so choose. To resist means pain, if not death, and a certain criminal charge no matter how right you were.
And by the folks we employ to act in our best interest. Those who we employ to protect us, to allow us to prosper. No sir, not the same at all. It's a wrong on so many levels. Too many levels.
And yes, I did do it. Recently, too. There are plenty who are not "third world poor" but my kind of poor. I don't buy from dealers as it's too expensive, and ain't no pickins out in the sticks. Car, truck, boat... BIG purchases are made via Craigslist. And unless you're buying, say, electronics still in the package, the value is TBD. How do you do that with a cashier's check? Just make it for asking price and lose dollars you cannot afford? Or make a 12 hour round trip for nothing, because although you came to a deal, your amount of funds is concrete and doesn't fit. Unless I'm reading this wrong, for doing this I am both an idiot (an opinion I've no complaint against) but also not deserving of liberty and justice. No. I don't stand for that. I'd ask no one to stand for that, and I'd hope you'd change your mind, too.
Lastly, I have been lobbing shots. I have been more extremist than I've ever been. I just can't help it. I see things I feel are so obviously wrong, and when light is shone upon them, I feel most people just shrug and continue plodding along their path. It all ties into every other one of my rants. You want to fix the world? It's on YOU. It means doing the work and putting in the effort to stand by what is right and resist that which is wrong. Not shrug and sulk because you just got ripped off $500, but stand and fight it. Encourage others to do the same. And if there's any rah-rah warrior balderdashery here, it's out of frustration as I can't believe that asking for such base things as standing up for yourself and doing the right things are being met with RESISTANCE and DISAGREEMENT. The mind boggles.
So yes. Pow-pow, shots across the bow. I want to see passion. I want to stir you, to make you act without thinking. I want to see what's at the core, because what I see on the surface is s#$%. And I want to see if I'm not alone. It's tough doing the right thing, and I need inspiration, too.
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August 23rd, 2016 at 7:38:24 PM
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Quote: FaceQuote: PaigowdanPaigowdan here: Let me say if you're carrying more than a paycheck's worth of cash when traveling domestically ($1,500 with a pay check stub), then something may be up, in the eyes of law enforcement. If you're innocent, fine, if you're dead-to-rights guilty, also fine - but you're a SCHMUCK if you're so stupid as to travel with tons to cash; little sympathy from me if you have no brains on the road and how to travel with money. Sad? - Yes, oftentimes very sad, but a bit of Cry me a river if you fail to think before you travel.
I can't tell if I'm losing my mind, or if everyone around me is losing theirs. Gimme a sec to settle down and I will say the nicest thing I can about this post...Quote: Ancient Booer
"Boo! Boo! Rubbish, filth, slime, muck! Boo! Boo! Boo!"
Liberty and justice for the wise? For the wealthy? For the poor? For the intelligent? For the simple?
No. Liberty and justice for ALL. Jesus Christ.
Opinions such as these make me literally sick. It's good advice, sure. I can't argue that it's "wise" to "avoid trouble". But damn each and every one of you who looks at this as "business as usual". F#$% that.
Maybe YOU have nice and easy access to financial institutions. Maybe YOU have time to spare to transact some sort of check. Maybe YOU have the time to return it if the deal goes south. Maybe YOU have a job that allows you free 9-5 time to do so. Maybe YOU have a spouse that can help if you can't. Good for you.
Maybe I wanna keep all my money in my mattress. Maybe I only wanna deal in cash. Maybe I don't have the time, ability, or sources to go that "safe" route. Am I an idiot? Debatable. But am I undeserving of liberty and justice? NO.
It's stances like PGD's that give credence to these shakedowns. It's one thing to advise folks in how to deal with a f#$%ed up situation. No harm in that; it's actually a kind and generous thing to do. But to put the onus on the common man? Shameful to the nth. The fact that these views are held is already gonna keep me up at night. I have no idea how you can sleep at all.
+100. Cringed at the dead eagle, though.
Tired but oh so true Franklin paraphrase. Those who would exchange a bit of liberty for a bit of safety deserve neither.
It's legal to travel with cash. There are many legit reasons to do so. All the war in drugs has done in this regard is inconvenience millions, steal from thousands, and enrich the collective police state.
We are the Evil Empire in this regard. Thanks, RWR. So much. I was subject to illegal search several times a year as ATC; drug testing was implemented after I was hired. Made required retroactive. Still resent peeing in a crowd.
Seizing money and sorting it out months later, if ever, just because you HAVE it is completely Bogus. Not to mention the attorney fees likely, and or the civic fees. Reminds me of China charging the family for the bullet they used to execute the prisoner.
Enough rant. Hot food.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:04:13 PM
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Quote: 777It is not common for a black father or mother to advice their sons on how to deal with cops in certain ways to avoid becoming a victim of police brutality. And your expression or "advice" here is not an advice by any mean, but it is really a statement of blaming the victim.
Bullshit.
I said "don't carry large amounts of cash that crooked cops or thieves can steal" - or impound when they don't have to, - and when you are on the road.
I said wire money, or use Prepaid cards, or use Traveler's Checks. Nothing racial in that. YOU said color 777, not me. Shades of Godwin's Law coming.
Quote: 777Your attitude in the money seizure is a classic case of blaming the victim. Your attitude of blaming the money seizure victim is no different than blaming a rape victim because the way she dressed.
No.
I said protect yourself from becoming a freaking victim of thieves and corrupt police, and I listed various techniques to "fight the oppressors ways" here.
I don't blame the victim. But I will blame a moron who should have known better; that's different. If you walk down a ghetto street in North Las Vegas at 1AM in a Mister Roger's Cardigan and Polo shirt with $10,000 sticking out of your pocket, yes, PLEASE get robbed of that money while looking at the rifling of a .45 ACP. If you don't end up in the Emergency room of UMC, then it was a wonderful day in the neighborhood. There can be NO claims of victimhood here, just stupidity and naivety. Same thing with driving through some small town hick county area in a hick state with the same money sitting on the dashboard. I'd hope Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane takes half of it, calling you a fool, while welcoming you to Farnsworthville, Mississippi, home of the 10-foot Cheese Wheel.
Quote: 777The fact that money seizure incidents discussed here is very rare, and it is very common for people to choose convenience over the low probability of having their cash legally or illegally confiscated by bad law enforcement personnel or by a corrupted enforcement agency. And there is nothing stupid for choosing such convenience. Traveling with large cash on hand for the sake of convenience is NOT the same as walking through a crime laden neighborhood at night with pocketful of cash.
As a matter of fact, the money seizure incidents discussed here are so common that John Oliver of HBO (as well as this forum and Time magazine) made it an issue of prominence in the U.S., if you had notice this thread or watched the media. In fact "Highway Robbery" is a part of English Language lexicon, apparently not going away any time soon. And Police-Fabricated Asset Seizure is just as bad neighborhood robbery, just done by cops or the state, which is a more serious issue when the state itself commits it. No excuse of "my wife needed to feed the kids here" can be applied, as it is now government institutionalized.
As for "Convenience": I also think there is NO convenience in carry $10,000 in cash that can be lost at the point of a switchblade, or a 5th drink, or handgun, - or at a corrupt police stop on a highway; in fact, it's all very stupid and a very great inconvenience when you think about it or the risk in losing it. Once you get stuck-up for ten grand or so out of your car OR pocket, I think the "convenience point" is quite moot. Same with having a few drinks and misplacing it. Only a damn fool carries needed excess cash needlessly, to lose, no matter what the social-economic class.
In fact, the lower the socio-economic class, the dumber the risk in losing your family's needed cash, hence Darwinism of it all, and as politically incorrect to say.
Traveling with large cash on the highway is the same as walking through a crime laden local neighborhood at night - if you get stuck the hell up. One is not a "softer, kinder, and gentler" stick-up than the other - as you attempt to imply here. Bullshit. And either is stupid if avoidable. Town or highway, white or black, male or female, gambler or non-gambler - none is excusable or superior, as you 777 are attempting to imply here. All robbery sucks - and, I think a cop of the State doing it makes it even worse.
Do You have a preference??!! I don't. Stupid Exposure is simply that, - a lesson from the tables.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:14:11 PM
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Glad I started reading this thread now....got to the point where PGD's posts are now entirely in the "I have no idea wtf is being said" category, while ping-ponging from "I'm just trying to help" and "blame the victim".
