Keyser
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November 30th, 2014 at 7:59:47 PM permalink
After having read the civil forfeiture thread, I'm worried about driving with large sums of cash. If the cash is placed in addressed envelopes, with stamps, will that help prevent them from opening the envelopes when searching the car?


Recently an AP friend was driving from Gulfport, MS region when he was pulled over by the police. When my friend asked why he was being pulled over, the officer said that it was for following too closely.

After asking for ID, the officer says, "I see you've made this trip four times in the last year. Why?"

My friend was shocked that they knew exactly how many times he'd been down there during the last year. Evidently they have scanners on the highway and track where and how often you drive down certain roads.

The officer then asks, "Are you carrying any large sums of cash?"

My friend said, "No."

The officer then asks, "Would you mind if I searched the car?"

My friend says, "Id rather you didn't."

The officer then asked again, if he could search the car, and this time my friends said, "No."

Next, the officer returned to his car for a bit, then returned, and let my friend go.

Any suggestions on how to travel with cash? (In some casinos, it helps to play in cash, rather than putting up cashier checks or wiring money. Especially when timing is important.)

Furthermore, what has happened to our civil rights?


-Keyser
aceofspades
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:20:27 PM permalink
Civil rights are being eroded every day. Especially in the PC culture we now live in.

If they find $10k in cash in your car and they say, why are you carrying so much money, reply with "If you think that's a lot of money, they aren't paying you enough"

good information on traffic stop searches
Boz
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:20:32 PM permalink
Ok, I'll bite. Why do you think he asked about cash? I have seen cops ask if you have anything illegal or such but never about cash. There is nothing illegal about having large amounts of cash that you can justify. Cash is not illegal. If you just sold $100K worth of blow and have no reportable income you have some explaining to do. But for even the biggest pro gambler who keeps accurate records, you have nothing to fear. Sounds like someone had something else to be worried about because sorry, they don't track cars who pass by once every 3 months.
Keyser
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:24:13 PM permalink
Boz,

I keep very detailed records. But in the real world, they don't have to charge me with anything, and they can still keep the cash by simply claiming that the cash is involved in a crime. Then my chances of getting it back are very slim.

For more info see...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

Now that an associate has experienced this first hand, I'm worried about driving with cash to the casino.
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Aceofspades,

Thanks for the link.

-Keyser
Boz
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:35:54 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Boz,

I keep very detailed records. But in the real world, they don't have to charge me with anything, and they can still keep the cash by simply claiming that the cash is involved in a crime. Then my chances of getting it back are very slim.

For more info see...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

Now that an associate has experienced this first hand, I'm worried about driving with cash to the casino.




Sorry I disagree. You may have heard from someone who says this happened to them but I don't think they gave you the entire story. This is still America and they don't just keep your money if you can explain why you have it. I think you are worrying about something that rarely happens, but perhaps I am way off base. If so, I would like others to share their experiences.
Keyser
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:40:41 PM permalink
Boz,

Please take the time to watch the video. Then you'll understand. Bob Nercessian, an attorney, has warned some gamblers about this type of situation.

Yes, this is the US, but each year the liberals, and some conservatives, take away more of our civil rights.

This used to be America. Unfortunately we no longer have the freedom that we used to have.
Dieter
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:43:03 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

If the cash is placed in addressed envelopes, with stamps, will that help prevent them from opening the envelopes when searching the car?

Any suggestions on how to travel with cash?



I am not a lawyer. (Talk to your lawyer.) I am not a banker. (Talk to your banker.)

I wouldn't count on sealed envelopes protecting anything.

Don't travel with more cash than you need to.

Travelers Cheques seem to still be a thing, aren't cash, and are available in $1000 denominations. They can be a hassle, but might be refunded if stolen. There are ways to purchase them without a fee.

Alternately, a high-daily limit ATM card (or 6) may work better. It might be helpful to get an account with a nationwide bank that is tolerant of large unscheduled cash withdrawals, so you can travel short distances with the cash, limiting your exposure.
May the cards fall in your favor.
RS
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:55:44 PM permalink
I was stopped in (Kansas?) about a year ago for "speeding". The car I was driving at the time was 100x nicer than any car within a hundred miles (I suspect that's why I got pulled over, but don't know for sure). After the usual BS " why did I get pulled over" blah blah blah, the cop was on a mission to find drugs in my car. I said no to a search. So they brought out a k9 dog unit and sniffed it. Of course it was a false hit or whatever it's called (when the policeman does something and the dog starts barking/scratching because of that...not because the dog smells any drugs). No drugs were found. Thankfully the only money I had was in my pocket which wasn't searched.


Pretty sure it's mostly just a southern thing. I don't plan on being in the South any time soon....at least without a gun I won't be.
FleaStiff
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November 30th, 2014 at 9:07:55 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Sorry I disagree. You may have heard from someone who says this happened to them but I don't think they gave you the entire story. This is still America and they don't just keep your money if you can explain why you have it. I think you are worrying about something that rarely happens, but perhaps I am way off base.

You are unfortunately way off base.

Seizure of rightfully owned cash and vehicles is a serious problem because it is a major source of funds for local departments. Explanations may be given on the spot but even if believed, the seizure will take place. You will need to pay legal fees to get anything back and your first "hearing" is NOT before a magistrate, its before the prosecutor.

Sure sometimes the magic word "casino" is similar to invoking the "chamber of commerce", no cop wants bad headlines for the businesses in town, but sometimes its "drug money" and the cop is salivating more than his dog is. An empty secret compartment in the car can get the vehicles seized as being modified for transporting contraband.

License plate scanners? They exist. Whether the cops in the Gulfport area use them or not I don't know.

Repo men now have scanners for parked cars as well as moving cars.
DrawingDead
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November 30th, 2014 at 9:25:45 PM permalink
I've been hearing a rising volume and frequency of people bringing this up in a variety of places. I use to think this concern was either a little nutty, or maybe a lot nutty, or just coming from people who were doing a not so clever back door broadcast of "hey everybody look at what a big baller I am." I'm still sure in a few cases that I know of that it is the last one of those, but the growing variety of sources of this concern and second hand reports of alleged problems has started to erode my skepticism. I am starting to wonder a little bit if I should take a few precautions, and what in the world they could possibly be.

I don't use cash to actually buy squat anymore, not even a donut, and I'm having a hard time trying to remember the last time I reached for a money clip instead of a card at any cash register. But. Actual folding pieces of green paper with ornate portraits on them are the only raw material accepted for some things I regularly do, I can't put "Aqueduct, sixth race, gimmie a four-seven-nine exacta box, ten times, please" on my American Express card, per gaming regs, my Individual Player Terminal advance deposit wagering accounts I use to do the same stuff have to be cashed out of weekly and then reactivated and re-funded with a fresh new balance when I return the next week, also per gaming regs, so I'm not a tourist checking into a resort on vacation with a hotel reservation, but I am actually commuting to and from town pretty often with currency that doesn't resemble anything like casual parking meter change. If someone's fevered imagination wanted to interpret it as a dope courier profile or somesuch, I suppose they probably could.

The purposefully marked envelope thing sounds interesting, in that it is something simple and easy and doesn't require becoming an obsessive kook about the end of days and fleets of black helicopters to do something like that. And I have absolutely no clue whether it would be likely to have any real practical benefit at all in keeping any uniformed official hands from messing with my casino money.

The part about "I know where and when you've been and how often" is just plain creepy and weird. I don't get that. Did this person also say he had the uniformed & armed public servant recite to him by the side of the road what he was wearing those days? Lemme guess: "Khakis. Jake was wearing wrinkled khakis. Four times. Negligent wardrobe offense."
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