Driving with Money
Quote: GreasyjohnIf you're ever pulled over while carrying alot of cash, I would think that having your destination being a gambling resort, where you have a reservation, would be pretty good evidence as to what the cash was for.
That would be true if you are dealing with cops with legitimate motives. The problem is that the cops taking this money do not. They are looking for any excuse at all to take it.
A few months ago I was driving with mid six figures worth of cash in my car. I had to deliver it about two hours away. Fortunately, i wasn't too concerned because it wasn't my money. Had it been my money I would have been nervous as hell.
Quote: AxelWolfI can probably fit 7k in pill bottle with brand spanking new bills. However that's not a good Idea for many reasons. PRESCRIPTION PILLS ARE A BIG TARGET. I posted multiple links supporting why this is a bad idea. Show me anything legitimate other than your opinion supporting your opinion.
Every time I've been pulled over, bar none, the cop digs in my pills. Doesn't matter if it's amoxicillan or oxycodone, the cop gets the bottle.
Quote: DRichThat would be true if you are dealing with cops with legitimate motives. The problem is that the cops taking this money do not. They are looking for any excuse at all to take it.
A few months ago I was driving with mid six figures worth of cash in my car. I had to deliver it about two hours away. Fortunately, i wasn't too concerned because it wasn't my money. Had it been my money I would have been nervous as hell.
Ya about that cash I didn't receive it yet...... Where'd you take it?
Quote: AxelWolf
Even cops know to verify and check prescription bottles.
So what. If you've got cops using dogs
and opening prescription bottles, your
done anyway. The point is, you don't
want them to get that far. A lot of
people take scripts now and having them
in your toiletry kit in your bag is a norm.
I knew a guy in the 80's who used to run
drugs cross country, he was a mule. He
said the first rule is, never do anything
suspicious. He drove a white rental, wore
average clothes, had short hair and no
beard, never went over the speed limit
and broke no traffic laws. The cops ignored
him.
And no, cops do not think people who do
the speed limit are suspicious. Next time
you're on the freeway count how many
cars you pass doing 70, they have the
cruise set on it.
Quote: djatcYa about that cash I didn't receive it yet...... Where'd you take it?
Uh Oh!!! I thought that pink Miata I left it in was yours.
Quote: FaceEvery time I've been pulled over, bar none, the cop digs in my pills. Doesn't matter if it's amoxicillan or oxycodone, the cop gets the bottle.
I carry bottles and never get asked. Must
be something about the way you look. No
cop in my life has ever asked me anything
about anything.
Quote: FaceEvery time I've been pulled over, bar none, the cop digs in my pills. Doesn't matter if it's amoxicillan or oxycodone, the cop gets the bottle.
Quote: EvenBobI carry bottles and never get asked. Must
be something about the way you look. No
cop in my life has ever asked me anything
about anything.
No offense Face, but you mentioned that you have dealt with the cops 100 times. Perhaps they get that vibe, like a tell.
Quote: DRichUh Oh!!! I thought that pink Miata I left it in was yours.
Wrong car now im going to have to dispose of your friend Doug unless Mr. Chow gets his money.
Quote: GreasyjohnNo offense Face, but you mentioned that you have dealt with the cops 100 times. Perhaps they get that vibe, like a tell.
No offense taken.
I suppose I do fit the profile. Too old to be raving with the X users, but of the perfect age and demographic to abuse a little prescribed pick-me-up. Low value pick up truck. On a drug corridor. Shaved head. Lot of miles on the face. Out at a time when most working men should be in bed, and with none of the "oh, jeepers" demeanor common in those with little to no experience in dealing with the law.
It could totally be situational. I'm just giving an alternate experience. Maybe most of y'all will just look like an old timer toting his heart meds. But with the increased war on prescription abuse, I thought it was worth pointing out.
Age and manner of interaction can be factors, one cop knew he had stopped a guy with a record because the motorist addressed him as Boss. (Cool Hand Luke: You call the Captain, Captain; you call the rest of us, Boss. It was filmed in Bakersfield, CA but it was set in Texas.)
Is this really happening and yet no one is doing much about it?
Quote: FleaStiffAn old timer with his heart meds
Lots of people in their 30's take heart
meds, not just old people. Blood pressure,
a-fib, and other ailments all require heart
meds. Don't fit a profile and don't have
an attitude and cops won't bother you.
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1. It's hard to get good help nowadays, and dope couriers are among the stupidest people on Earth;
2. These are apprentice dope couriers, who haven't passed the "intro to dope moving technology 101" course;
3. The cops who patrol that stretch make up a lot of stuff;
4. (?)
Quote: DrawingDead
1. It's hard to get good help nowadays, and dope couriers are among the stupidest people on Earth;
That's it. They get lazy, they've done
it 15 times and never got caught, so
in their minds they will never be caught.
Drunk drivers get caught one out of every
40 times they do it, so they get lazy too.
Ditto with shoplifters.
Quote: DrawingDeada sack of Benjamins and an Ouzi
is that the Greek booze, plural?
[sorry]
Quote: EvenBobLots of people in their 30's take heart
meds, not just old people. Blood pressure,
a-fib, and other ailments all require heart
meds. Don't fit a profile and don't have
an attitude and cops won't bother you.
I agree with the age part. I had a heart attack in my 30's and have taken meds since.
Not fitting a profile and not breaking the law will greatly help your chances of avoiding trouble but will not prevent it. We know there are some bad people out there including cops just looking for opportunities.
Try carrying cash through an airport and you have a very likely chance of being harassed. I don't carry cash often but once won some money in a poker tournament overseas. It was only about $25k but I was nervous going through the airport scanners. All worked out for me but it was the only time I was nervous carrying cash. I was never nervous carrying $50k cash many times when hitting royals on $10 machines locally.
Quote: DRichTry carrying cash through an airport and you have a very likely chance of being harassed. I don't carry cash often but once won some money in a poker tournament overseas. It was only about $25k but I was nervous going through the airport scanners. All worked out for me but it was the only time I was nervous carrying cash. I was never nervous carrying $50k cash many times when hitting royals on $10 machines locally.
Flying DOMESTICALLY, within the US though, you will NOT be harassed, even if you're carrying 50k.
However, driving is another story. I wish there was an attorney that could provide us with more advice on the forum. Unfortunately, most attorneys are dumbfounded and alarmed by civil forfeiture as well. I'm still shocked that this can and does happen within the US.
-Keyser
It appears to be a Lebanese baked lamb & spiced rice recipe, per Google. In this case probably marinated with some kind of weapon underneath. Looks rather good actually.Quote: odiousgambitis that the Greek booze, plural?
[sorry]
Quote: KeyserFlying DOMESTICALLY, within the US though, you will NOT be harassed, even if you're carrying 50k.
There are plenty of documented cases where that is incorrect. The DEA likes to assume large amounts of cash is used in drug deals. They may keep it until you prove otherwise and then still keep some for their associated costs.
Hear is one example: http://www.fear.org/ffjournal/$242,484.html
A Texas Monthly journalist just did a rough audit of an asset forfeiture log, most of what they gave him was blacked out or buried in abbreviations.
The money is NOT kept by local agencies, it is returned to them as a bounty after processing but the amounts are substantial and clearly affects why there are so many local speeders passing a cop car that is following a vehicle with out of state plates. Cops know its harder for out of state drivers to fight a seizure and a consent will be easier to obtain.
Quote: DRichTry carrying cash through an airport and you have a very likely chance of being harassed.
I've made quite a few flights from PDX to LAS, and each and every time I have a lot of cash in a bank envelope in my carry on. Never been hassled at all.
As if somebody going to or from Las Vegas wouldn't have a plausible excuse for packing cash with them.
So theres no need for you to hide it in a pill bottle then, it's probably a pain in the ass to get out. If someone looks old and disabled they probably don't suspect a dam thing. There are specific laws and harsher punishments when dealing with crimes against the elderly or vulnerable. Perhaps the cops know they should avoid making problems for seniors since it would get more attention and shame.Quote: EvenBobI carry bottles and never get asked. Must
be something about the way you look. No
cop in my life has ever asked me anything
about anything.
Never mind the cops, thieves target pill bottles. I posted a bunch of articles regarding this last time you suggested this bad Idea. You're among the few "special" people who think it's a good Idea.
American bicyclist in South America got cut off by a motorcyclist who flashed an automatic. The American knew the Spanish word for friend and so he kept saying Amigo because he couldn't comprehend why the hold-up man kept saying mustache in Spanish, he soon learned that the Spanish for Back Pack sounds like Little Mustache to an American.Quote: Dicenor33Carry some cash on you in case of a hold up, never ever fight back.
That's why cop number two watches you for a reaction while they search.Quote: Dicenor33Cars have many spots where nobody will look at. Door panels, air cond. vents- use a piece of wire to hang the box with cash, kick panels. Carry some cash on you in case of a hold up, never ever fight back.
Quote: FEAR websiteThe January 23 decision ordered return of the cash seized...
Quote: The 11th Circuit Court of the United States (as quoted by FEAR)under the law, a claimant is under no duty to show that "the property derived from a legitimate source" until the Government first can establish probable cause of a substantial connection to a controlled-substance transaction.2 Allowing the Government to base probable cause on the failure to identify a legitimate source of the currency unlawfully reverses this burden. Stanford’s failure to identify the people who gave her the currency and to provide receipts is relevant to her ability to show a legitimate source or innocent ownership, but she is not required to make this showing until the Government establishes probable cause.
<SNIP>
Given the weakness of the elements presented, and the complete lack of evidence connecting the seized money directly to illegal narcotics, the Government’s case falls short of the probable-cause line. This citizen can keep her property.
Not the door panels that's the first place they look after the pill bottles.Quote: Dicenor33Cars have many spots where nobody will look at. Door panels, air cond. vents- use a piece of wire to hang the box with cash, kick panels. Carry some cash on you in case of a hold up, never ever fight back.
He said, "Fine, I don't need to see it."
I agree they normally don't hassle you with that. However I'd still be cautious. Never let the cash out of your site and definitely don't hide it in a pill box.Quote: KeyserIf you're flying domestically, you're fine. I've had money in envelopes when TSA asked what was in the envelopes. I said, "Money,"
He said, "Fine, I don't need to see it."
Quote: AxelWolf
Never mind the cops, thieves target pill bottles. .
So what, if I step in front of a truck
I'll get hit. If I'm being mugged, he's
getting the money no matter where
it is. The pill bottle has worked for
me for years because nobody thinks
that much cash can fit in so tiny a
container. It's always on my person,
somebody has to frisk me in a robbery
to get it. You don't like it, who cares.
I could write a book on what you don't
know.
Quote: GreasyjohnIs this really happening and yet no one is doing much about it?
I believe it's happening.
To effectively do anything about it, we probably need to change the laws. That will be difficult, as so many lawmakers don't want to be seen as "soft on crime", and so many police departments are using it as their operating budget.
http://www.ij.org/policing-for-profit-the-abuse-of-civil-asset-forfeiture-private-property-rights
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/10/363102433/police-can-seize-and-sell-assets-even-when-the-owner-broke-no-law
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/civil-asset-forfeiture
Pretty sure someone already linked the John Oliver video.
It's absolutely legalized highway robbery. Until the law gets changed, maybe you don't want to carry "large amounts of cash" on the highway.
You have been driving across states where this is prevalent? For years with large amounts of cash in a pill bottle, at a time where you have been pulled over while they searched your car?Quote: EvenBobSo what, if I step in front of a truck
I'll get hit. If I'm being mugged, he's
getting the money no matter where
it is. The pill bottle has worked for
me for years because nobody thinks
that much cash can fit in so tiny a
container. It's always on my person,
somebody has to frisk me in a robbery
to get it. You don't like it, who cares.
I could write a book on what you don't
know.
Were are not talking about flying they don't really target money like the cops do.
Perhaps you have been lucky that doesn't make it a good Idea. I'm sure there people who over eat, drink, smoke and do drugs that live a long time however that doesn't make it a good idea.
It's irrelevant if they think that much cash can fit in a pill bottle because they are after the drugs.
Quote: AxelWolf
Perhaps you have been lucky
Perhaps you watch to many TV crime dramas.
Perhaps you don't know everything about
everything.
Perhaps..
You must have me confused with the member who gets his legal advice from the good wife. Im more of a Wapner guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uS0GMfJUU0Quote: EvenBobPerhaps you watch to many TV crime dramas.
Perhaps you don't know everything about
everything.
Perhaps..
The following is a Good argument (not).Perhaps you don't know everything about
everything. We can both say that to each other but it's meaningless that tak2s it back to square one.
I don't need to know everything about everything to know hiding money is a bad Idea.
Previously posted.
In a Book called, Keep It Together a chapter about tips about cleverly Hiding things: it's the #2 place to NOT hide things.
From NY times T.S.A. itself has had some trouble over the years from a handful of screeners who have been charged with stealing prescription medicine from passengers' checked and even carry-on bags. In the most recent incident, two former T.S.A. screeners at the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport pleaded guilty in June to stealing medication from passengers' carry-on bags at checkpoints. The two screeners surreptitiously swiped pills.
http://www.fox16.com/mostpopular/story/TSA-screener-arrested-for-drug-theft-at-Little/d/story/oMbCSazQZkOUkvmyCKn03Q
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2004/jul/14/airport-baggage-screener-charged-with-stealing/
Transportation Security Administration employee Wendy Susan Swanson was caught stealing prescription drugs from two bags while under surveillance, court documents state.
Inside Swanson’s purse, police also found three prescription bottles containing various prescription pills.
http://diytravelexpert.com/beware-of-airport-theft/
Favourite things to steal, in decreasing order: “fine jewellery”, digital cameras, laptops, DVD players. They also gladly steal prescription drugs,
http://www.aviationpros.com/news/10404035/security-screeners-busted-for-stealing-prescription-drugs
The screener, who worked for the Transportation Security Administration, later confessed to stealing meds at least 20 times over a six-month period, the feds say. Another screener allegedly confessed to stealing prescription drugs from passenger >>>>CARRY-ON BAGS <<<<on five occasions.
Ps. Judge judy Rocks to (even if she is a bitch)
Quote: KeyserIf you're flying domestically, you're fine. I've had money in envelopes when TSA asked what was in the envelopes. I said, "Money,"
He said, "Fine, I don't need to see it."
I agree that it is not typical but I bet if you were carrying $400,000 in cash you would be interrogated at least 10% of the time.
Quote: AxelWolfit's the #2 place to NOT hide things.
Never had a problem with it, never will.
I'm not a criminal.
Quote: EvenBobNever had a problem with it, never will.
I'm not a criminal.
Why on Earth would we discuss this if you were right? To top that, you just damaged your credibility in many discussions with such a statement.Quote: dirty cop robbing EvenbobThen whatchu doin' with all that drug money then, boy? I believe this cash is the proceeds from a drug deal. This is going home with us.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhy on Earth would we discuss this if you were right?.
Sigh. In ALL the times I've been stopped
since I started driving in the 60's, no cop
has EVER asked me to see anything I had
in the car. Not even when I drove cab. I
got stopped last year for a brake light,
and this year going 40 is a school zone, which
he let me out of. I've been stopped in Vegas
over the years. Never had one problem.
I refuse to throw my skirt over my head and run
down the street screaming because y'all are
too paranoid to leave your homes.
Quote: EvenBobNever had a problem with it, never will.
I'm not a criminal.
Just a self-confessed thief in your youth.
Quote: thecesspitJust a self-confessed thief in your youth.
Exactly. My misspent youth..
link pleaseQuote: onenickelmiracleWhy on Earth would we discuss this if you were right? To top that, you just damaged your credibility in many discussions with such a statement.Quote: dirty cop robbing EvenbobThen whatchu doin' with all that drug money then, boy? I believe this cash is the proceeds from a drug deal. This is going home with us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-mU77Pie44
One may have to leave his basement occasionally to have a problem.Quote: EvenBobNever had a problem with it, never will.
I'm not a criminal.
I highly doubt you have or ever will travel though California and Nevada with large amounts of cash so you haven't anything to worry about.
Besides, A lousy a $100 bill wrapped around 49 singles in a pill bottle, isn't enough to get paranoid about anyway.
Whether or not you are a criminal is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with finding a good place to hide things.
A criminal doesn't care if you're a thief or an angel . THEY TARGET PILL BOTTLES NOWADAYS.
Perhaps you never had a problem 30 years ago. Its now 2014 and prescription medication abuse is a much bigger problem. Cops and thieves target them.
They probably don't mess with elderly peoples prescriptions who have hemorrhoid cream slopped all over their bottles of centrum silver and donepezel.
Regarding the asset seizure forfeiture AKA. bend over and forget the lube. Whoever came up with the name, asset seizure forfeiture is a genius. It's a confusing hidden way to literally say highway robbery.
it's a billion dollar goldmine for law enforcement nowadays 2.5. billion since 2001
1989 $285,000,039
2005 313,866,115 2006 841,094,697
2010 1,786,567,692
Surprised he didn't toss in enough to make it go over 5k just so he could take it.Quote: mcallister3200About 4 months back, I was harassed with a number of questions about money and what I was doing in Sacramento during a routine traffic stop. No doubt targeted for out of state license plate traveling near northern California. He said my brake light wasn't working, I later checked it and it was. Had 5 k in my wallet, he may have seen the wad when I grabbed my license. Continually badgered me about drugs, and that it didn't make sense to play poker in a card room in Sacramento when I had a Vegas license. I should not have to answer crap like that on a minor traffic stop. Eventually he let me go. Given the direction of the conversation and pulled over for no reason, I have little doubt that if I had 10-15k rather than 5 it would have been confiscated under the assumption that I was on way to Humboldt county for drugs. Even though there was zero evidence of that and I did have some gambling related material along.
We were recently pulled over in a small town in california for speeding. The cop was nice enough to only the driver a ticket.I took my ID out and hid my wallet. He only asked the driver for ID. He didn't harass us or ask any questions.
Had he searched, he would have had a new margarita machine.
Same thing happened in searchlight.
Quote: AxelWolfSurprised he didn't toss in enough to make it go over 5k just so he could take it.
We were recently pulled over in a small town in california for speeding. The cop was nice enough to only the driver a ticket.I took my ID out and hid my wallet. He only asked the driver for ID. He didn't harass us or ask any questions.
Had he searched, he would have had a new margarita machine.
Same thing happened in searchlight.
Damn Axel, I'm from 2000 miles away and I know to drive 20 through Searchlight! Dropping the speed limit so fast is the only way they make money in that town.
This is true. There are people in England and Australia right now talking about the thing Searchlight is known for. The only thing that ever "happens in Searchlight." The one and only thing. The only point of its existence. For about as long as there have been motors on wheels, and electric lights. "Instructions are printed on the back, and have a nice day."Quote: BozDamn Axel, I'm from 2000 miles away and I know to drive 20 through Searchlight!
