rainman
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November 30th, 2014 at 11:48:12 PM permalink
For those who don't know about civil forfeiture here's a funny explanation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/06/john-oliver-civil-forfeiture_n_5938686.html

Search civil forfeiture on YouTube or bing videos and you can find dash cam footage.

http://wn.com/civil_forfeiture_highway_shakedowns_in_tennessee
AxelWolf
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December 1st, 2014 at 12:09:41 AM permalink
First off there's at least one good thread about this, even with links to some good Videos. Why a new thread when there's a perfectly good one?

One shows video or audio of 2 poker players driving to vegas for the WSOP.
I didn't see any legitimate reason for the search.

BOZ do some research please, It's scary. A guy who wins the lottery should be sufficient reason right? Apparently not

I can't find the video but here is the story and transcripts of 2 poker players .. read ... thisxhttp://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-players-who-had-100k-stolen-by-iowa-police-officers-talks-about-case


Tonight with John Oliver: Civil Forfeiture (HBO)
http://zeeklytv.com/video/2813/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John-Oliver-Civil-Forfeiture-HBO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU_nh51FU14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2iJ7UBODw8


For the people saying travel with travelers checks, that's all well and fine if you have time to plan.
As Djatc pointed out, what if you travel to a obscure place?
Even with your travelers checks that doesn't solve everything, what if you get lucky and win 30k at 3am on saturday in a small obscure place and you want to drive home?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dieter
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December 1st, 2014 at 12:39:13 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Even with your travelers checks that doesn't solve everything, what if you get lucky and win 30k at 3am on saturday in a small obscure place and you want to drive home?



It's just another tool at your disposal that you may find helpful. That's all.

As for cashing out, would the cage be unable to cut you a check?
May the cards fall in your favor.
DrawingDead
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:14:11 AM permalink
Do people see any particular advantages or disadvantages to having your regular wagering bankroll or designated 'working capital' in the form of chips vs. folding green stuff? Maybe it is a silly question, I'm not sure, but chips happen to be the one other thing they can take at the desk of the parts of the casino I'm usually there for. Seems they pretty much advertise themselves where they're from and what they're at least ostensibly for, right there on this one in front of me, between the dollar denomination and the artsy rendering of brightly colored palm trees where it says "The Mirage" rather than "kilo of cocaine & sack of bomb triggers." Yeah, I know, someone could theoretically do a deal to trade anything for anything of their mutual choice, but still. Ya wanna know where are these clay disk things from in my bag that say "Wynn Las Vegas" or "Caesars Palace" on them? Duh.
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AxelWolf
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:20:56 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

It's just another tool at your disposal that you may find helpful. That's all.

As for cashing out, would the cage be unable to cut you a check?

probably not at 3am. Even then I don't trust a check from a indian casino. They might be indian givers.

You might need that cash for another play.

If you play often do you know how much of a pain in the ass that would be?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:26:25 AM permalink
Assuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?

Toss a mail box in the trunk (;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
RS
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:30:24 AM permalink
I would prefer chips if I primarily played table games (at that specific casino) and if my BR was large enough for that. Having $5,000 in Wynn chips is not helpful if you're trying to play VP at Mandalay Bay. They might be useful at MB if you're trying to play a table game....or maybe they aren't. Depends if they let you cash them (duh). If you're wonging into shoes, very good to have chips. If you don't want to continuously be buying-in when you're "chasing", good to have chips. If you're going to all-play in BJ or some other game, eh, doesn't really matter IMO.

It really depends on your situation, what you play and how you play.



If you're talking about traveling with money / safety, I'd think you're much safer with chips than actual cash.
RS
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:33:44 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Assuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?



I believe it's a federal crime to send cash through the USPS (United States Postal Service). Then again, how would they find out if there's cash in the envelope if they're not allowed in it?


What about having your lawyer (or CPA?) write some sort of letter showing that you are a big gambler and tend to have large quantities of money on you....like "proof" that it's gambling money..in a way?
AxelWolf
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:36:04 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I would prefer chips if I primarily played table games (at that specific casino) and if my BR was large enough for that. Having $5,000 in Wynn chips is not helpful if you're trying to play VP at Mandalay Bay. They might be useful at MB if you're trying to play a table game....or maybe they aren't. Depends if they let you cash them (duh). If you're wonging into shoes, very good to have chips. If you don't want to continuously be buying-in when you're "chasing", good to have chips. If you're going to all-play in BJ or some other game, eh, doesn't really matter IMO.

It really depends on your situation, what you play and how you play.



If you're talking about traveling with money / safety, I'd think you're much safer with chips than actual cash.

possibly however they can take anything of value. There is a list of items(easy to sell) like TV's they should target.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DrawingDead
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:38:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Assuming your money is in a stamped envelope would that be a federal crime for a state or local police to tamper with it?

I wouldn't want to try to answer that, but if one is prepared to pay for her/his services I imagine an attorney could make hay with ripping open your mail. After the Supreme Court recently made this not too wordy or hard to interpret pronouncement on the circumstances of when it is okay to go poking at the information people carry around in their cell phones:
Quote: United States Supreme Court

Get a warrant.

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