I was raped at mile marker 164
Quote: EvenBobA pirate is somebody who steals from law abiding
people. Police enforce the law. You were breaking
the law. Police are not pirates, that's ludicrous.
They're just smarter than you. Obviously. Now you
have the taste of sour milk in your mouth and are
throwing a tantrum. They bested you, like I'm sure
they will again.
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Quote: BuzzardMy Point of Reference. And who I was responding to. That's the comment that lit my fuse !
Ah, my apologies then.
"The cop could make up any violation he wants to stop me. He would find nothing and I would most likely be on my way in a few minutes with a warning. "
Is that the AMERICAN justice system at work ?
And of course driving 80 miles to visit a dog, that's ok too ?
Not that hard a question, really !
Quote: BuzzardStill waiting for any answer or guess on what's the most important thing a lawyer can do for his client, criminal or civil ?
Win! DUH!
lol...
Quote: treetopbuddyOf course they bested me. They have guns and no regard for civil liberties. What is wrong with you? You call yourself an American?
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Quote: FaceYup.
In a lot of ways, this reminds me of the debate we had about ethics, when we talked about Wiz's Red Light Challenge, ...
Face, (or anyone who knows what he's referring to)
Can you link to this thread? I'd be very interested in reading it, but couldn't find it on an initial search. Thanks!
Quote: BuzzardBob can't hit the bong. His supplier got busted at Mile Marker 164. LOL
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PM me when you have a horse race lined up to recoup that money.
I promise to only bet $200 at local OTB.
Quote: beachbumbabsFace, (or anyone who knows what he's referring to)
Can you link to this thread? I'd be very interested in reading it, but couldn't find it on an initial search. Thanks!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/6113-friendly-bet-dispute/
Quote: BuzzardGlad you can laugh now. Healing process must have started !
PM me when you have a horse race lined up to recoup that money.
I promise to only bet $200 at local OTB.
Yeah, I don't need you pounding the price down in lieu of current events.......
Quote: Buzzard'If you have nothing to hide, you're not all that worried about it.
ZCore13
My Point of Reference. And who I was responding to. That's the comment that lit my fuse !
I have to agree with Buzz on this. It's kind of a "when did you stop beating your wife?" statement. TTB may well have done nothing illegal AT THE TIME the cop stopped him, and had legal reasons to have what he had. Circumstantial evidence does not, in itself, provide proof of guilt. Make all the assumptions, conclusions, or connections you like, and they still don't add up to having to prove a negative.
TTB could easily have exhibited nervousness or stress, knowing that what he had in his trunk would lead exactly where it has led. He should not have had to prove that he had a legal right to have things in his possession, no matter how suspicious it may have seemed, if he had no illegal substances. That's why he wasn't arrested then; they could prove nothing.
Now who can not answer my lawyer question ? DUH ! ! !
Quote: beachbumbabsI have to agree with Buzz on this. It's kind of a "when did you stop beating your wife?" statement. TTB may well have done nothing illegal AT THE TIME the cop stopped him, and had legal reasons to have what he had. Circumstantial evidence does not, in itself, provide proof of guilt. Make all the assumptions, conclusions, or connections you like, and they still don't add up to having to prove a negative.
TTB could easily have exhibited nervousness or stress, knowing that what he had in his trunk would lead exactly where it has led. He should not have had to prove that he had a legal right to have things in his possession, no matter how suspicious it may have seemed, if he had no illegal substances. That's why he wasn't arrested then; they could prove nothing.
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Quote: beachbumbabsI have to agree with Buzz on this. It's kind of a "when did you stop beating your wife?" statement. TTB may well have done nothing illegal AT THE TIME the cop stopped him, and had legal reasons to have what he had. Circumstantial evidence does not, in itself, provide proof of guilt. Make all the assumptions, conclusions, or connections you like, and they still don't add up to having to prove a negative.
TTB could easily have exhibited nervousness or stress, knowing that what he had in his trunk would lead exactly where it has led. He should not have had to prove that he had a legal right to have things in his possession, no matter how suspicious it may have seemed, if he had no illegal substances. That's why he wasn't arrested then; they could prove nothing.
The fact that he was doing nothing is actually just the opinion of a person carrying illegal items, including items used to distribute and cash in his car. You might want to consider the source.
Also, my Son is an Army Ranger. He puts his life on the line for our freedom every day. He does not put his life on the line for the benefit of drug dealers or people trying to hidie behind search and seizure laws.
If this was a sporting event, I would put my money on the Officer in this case.
ZCore13
I would never have guessed it. NO WAY !
As for this " drug dealers or people trying to hide behind search and seizure laws. " you can blame the Constitution's framers and those nasty 9 old men on the Supreme Court.
Anybody got a rope ? No need for a trial. Let's hang Tree to protect our kids !
Bet you think the movie Oxbow Incident had a happy ending.
Quote: Zcore13The fact that he was doing nothing is actually just the opinion of a person carrying illegal items, including items used to distribute and cash in his car. You might want to consider the source.
+1
Quote: Zcore13The fact that he was doing nothing is actually just the opinion of a person carrying illegal items, including items used to distribute and cash in his car. You might want to consider the source.
Also, my Son is an Army Ranger. He puts his life on the line for our freedom every day. He does not put his life on the line for the benefit of drug dealers or people trying to hidie behind search and seizure laws.
If this was a sporting event, I would put my money on the Officer in this case.
ZCore13
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Quote: treetopbuddyHe puts his life on the line for our freedom?.......Are you nuts?
I rest my case.
ZCore13
As for this " drug dealers or people trying to hide behind search and seizure laws. " you can blame the Constitution's framers and those nasty 9 old men on the Supreme Court.
Anybody got a rope ? No need for a trial. Let's hang Tree to protect our kids !
Bet you think the movie Oxbow Incident had a happy ending.
Forgot to ask, why Constitutional rights does you son think are not worth protecting besides this one ?
ZCore13
You should, definetly.
Hopefully you son is a better American than you. How could he not be ?
Quote: Zcore13I rest my case.
ZCore13
My freedom has nothing to do with your son.....sorry to burst your bubble
Quote: treetopbuddyHe puts his life on the line for our freedom?.......Are you nuts?
Wow. Just wow. You did it, you rendered me speechless.
The child my wife is most proud of is the son who's a
major in the AF and has served 3 tours of Afghanistan.
You're a real piece of work there, ol buddy.
Quote: EvenBobWow. Just wow. You did it, you rendered me speechless.
If only Bob, if only.
Extensive case law has been and continues to be developed about searches after being stopped for traffic violations. They include the fact that law enforcement can look through the vehicle windows at the shelves, seats and floor. Anything that can pass muster, including factors like odors, noise and people's actions, as grounds for reasonable suspicion can bring additional and more intrusive searching.Quote: BuzzardPolice enforce the law. Just exactly what traffic violation allows your car to be searched ?
Quote: EvenBobWow. Just wow. You did it, you rendered me speechless.
The child my wife is most proud of is the son who's a
major in the AF and has served 3 tours of Afghanistan.
You're a real piece of work there, ol buddy.
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Quote: treetopbuddyHe puts his life on the line for our freedom?.......Are you nuts?
TREEvon Martin?
Quote: Beethoven9thTREEvon Martin?
try some independent thinking.....your pocket protector need cleaning
Quote: SanchoPanzaExtensive case law has been and continues to be developed about searches after being stopped for traffic violations. They include the fact that law enforcement can look through the vehicle windows at the shelves, seats and floor. Anything that can pass muster, including factors like odors, noise and people's actions, as grounds for reasonable suspicion can bring additional and more intrusive searching.
people's action ? I am sure no police officer ever abused this interpretation. ROFLMAO
What exactly is the textbook re-action ? Talk too much, don't talk enough, stare straight ahead, look around, stutter, don't stutter,
does not have a Republican bumper sticker, etc.
All this so called evidence and have a nice day Tree. Just leave the money here !
Quote: treetopbuddytry some independent thinking.....your pocket protector need cleaning
Let me guess...this is an example of how "polite" you were to the cop, right?
Quote: Beethoven9thLet me guess...this is an example of how "polite" you were to the cop, right?
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How about we skip the drugs and money talk, and get to the part where you were raped.
Quote: KeyserSozeWe are nearly 300 posts into this thread.
How about we skip the drugs and money talk, and get to the part where you were raped.
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Quote: treetopbuddyUnfortunately, rocket scientist, I was extremely polite.
Doubt it. Based on your conduct in this thread alone, you probably either said or did something to make the cop suspicious.
show in the 90's. He was in prison for years and says he never
met a single guilty inmate the whole time. Every one believed
they were wronged by the police. Just like the OP, they cried
like new born babies about it. There are no crooks, I guess,
just bad cops. Lol
You would look very silly just saying I always carry this on me. Who in a rental car in the middle of no where carries 32k on them without any valid reason, they either are criminals, or not thinking clearly.
Quote: BuzzardThanks for your son's service.
As for this " drug dealers or people trying to hide behind search and seizure laws. " you can blame the Constitution's framers and those nasty 9 old men on the Supreme Court.
Anybody got a rope ? No need for a trial. Let's hang Tree to protect our kids !
Bet you think the movie Oxbow Incident had a happy ending.
Forgot to ask, why Constitutional rights does you son think are not worth protecting besides this one ?
You obviously have no grasp on reality. First, nobody is getting a rope or a tree ready. The officer did his job and now it's the Courts turn. You weren't there. You've heard one side of the story. If the accused was legally stopped and has legal reasons for all the items found, he'll have no problems. If he doesn't then he's got problems.
There is no Constitutional right to carry drugs and drug money. There's no Constitutional right to not be searched if the Officer has reason to believe a crime is being committed. The chances are very slim that the officer randomly picked one car driving down and major highway for no reason, haphazardly, after talking to the occupant, guessed there might be something in the car and just by chance there was drug residue, drug sale supplies and a HUGE amount of cash. All just because he wanted to pick on some innocent man driving down the road.
Use your brain.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13You obviously have no grasp on reality. First, nobody is getting a rope or a tree ready. The officer did his job and now it's the Courts turn. You weren't there. You've heard one side of the story. If the accused was legally stopped and has legal reasons for all the items found, he'll have no problems. If he doesn't then he's got problems.
There is no Constitutional right to carry drugs and drug money. There's no Constitutional right to not be searched if the Officer has reason to believe a crime is being committed. The chances are very slim that the officer randomly picked one car driving down and major highway for no reason, haphazardly, after talking to the occupant, guessed there might be something in the car and just by chance there was drug residue, drug sale supplies and a HUGE amount of cash. All just because he wanted to pick on some innocent man driving down the road.
Use your brain.
ZCore13
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Quote: treetopbuddy
Hey, Old Sport, is this were I'm supposed to say to your step whatever......'thank you for your service'?
Quote: Zcore13The chances are very slim that the officer randomly picked one car driving down and major highway for no reason, haphazardly, after talking to the occupant, guessed there might be something in the car
Not only that, the OP even admitted in a subsequent post that after the officer told him why he was stopped, he replied, "Fine, issue me a warning!" (Not exactly a good idea to mouth off to a cop like that.)
So much for being "respectful" and "polite". *facepalm*
