I was raped at mile marker 164
Quote: BuzzardThere you go Bob, he had 35K so drugs must be his. What if he only had 29 dollars and 60 cents. Would the drugs belong to somebody else ?
Rental cars are cleaned before you get them. You don't rent cars with drug tainted containers in them. You put drug tainted containers in yourself.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhen it comes to large amounts of money, you're guilty before proven innocent and it's up to you to prove you're innocent.
Yep that's the way I understand it too. From what I've read you have to basically sue to get your money back and of course they'll try to prove - without any evidence - that the money is from some illegal activity such as drug dealing.
"Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!"
Seems no rape actually occurred, which is the good news.
Quote: Page2Many expressed concern that state laws designed to go after high-flying crime lords are routinely targeting the workaday homes, cars, cash savings, and other belongings of innocent people who are never charged with a crime.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman
Quote: thecesspitI thought this was going to be a story about how someone was sexually violated.
LOL!
Quote: EvenBobAlmost a hundred replies in just a couple hours,
this has to be a record. He has yet to explain why
he had drug paraphernalia and a large amount
of cash in the car. Whatever the reason, there's
a -0 chance of ever getting the money back.
They gave the info to the DEA for sure, so this
ride ain't over yet. Lawyer up is my advice.
then give me 1,000,000:1 odds on a $10 bet, tough guy.
Still waiting on the Gina Fiore verdict in November.
Quote: EvenBobAlmost a hundred replies in just a couple hours,
this has to be a record. He has yet to explain why
he had drug paraphernalia and a large amount
of cash in the car. Whatever the reason, there's
a -0 chance of ever getting the money back.
They gave the info to the DEA for sure, so this
ride ain't over yet. Lawyer up is my advice.
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(1) was the marijuana smelling containers yours, and what were they originally containing? If they were not yours, then why did you take an unclean car from the rental location?
(2) was the $35K yours, or was it found in the vehicle?
If the $35K was your money, why wouldn't you declare that when you got pulled over and announced that they were going to do a search? If it was not yours, what is the issue? The cops found the money and it was likely proceeds (due to the marijuana smelling containers) of crime. It seems to me that the marijuana containers would be connected with the money. If the money was not yours, why do you care?
You don't know if the cops on I-70 were looking for rental vehicles for drug interdiction, and I don't have a problem with drug interdiction program as your country has been declaring a war on drugs for years.
If the money was yours, good luck. Here's a story: Trucker fights $550,000 seizure. You will HAVE to hire LAWYERS to get your money back and to prove that this was not proceeds of crime.
Uh...yeah? It's better than getting on the internet and asking for advice from random people on a public forum. Duh!Quote: treetopbuddyLawyer up.....that's your advice.
+1Quote: boymimboYou haven't made part of the story clear, treetop.
(1) was the marijuana smelling containers yours, and what were they originally containing? If they were not yours, then why did you take an unclean car from the rental location?
(2) was the $35K yours, or was it found in the vehicle?
Quote: treetopbuddyLawyer up.....that's your advice. Why would I take your advice?
That's your only option. I suppose "walk away from $35k" and "Black Ops your way into the evidence locker" are also options, but let's keep it real.
Once he said "warning", the only words that should've left your face are "Thank you, sir. Be safe". It seems you tried for a moral victory and ended up with a Pyrrhic one. Who cares if he lied, or got the story wrong, or thought your car sucks and you smelled of elderberries?
IANAL, but I've spent the last 5+ years in the company of my many cop friends, and the previous 10 years running from them and getting pulled over with contraband in my car. Yeah, everyone says "shut your trap, stand up for your rights" and all that nonsense, but there is some common sense that needs to come into play. If you have the stickiest of the icky and thirthy five large in your car, getting out of a bullshit lane change ticket is not your priority. Getting away as fast as possible is. "Unsafe lane change? Gee, I'm sorry. OK, Thank you, be safe".
As for the rest, yeah, lawyer up. I always avoided searches by playing the "dumb kid" and graciously accepting the speeding / seatbelt / no front plate tickets, so have no advice for getting pinched. But I don't see any other way to get your stuff back.
+1Quote: FaceIt seems you tried for a moral victory and ended up with a Pyrrhic one.
Great line.....lol!
There should be laws preventing the police from stealing in this way from innocent victims, but I don't know of any.
Quote: Face
Once he said "warning", the only words that should've left your face are "Thank you, sir. Be safe". It seems you tried for a moral victory and ended up with a Pyrrhic one. .
Face nails it yet again. Reading this again today,
there has to be way more to this story than we're
being told. Cops as a rule are not crazy about having
somebody follow them 80 miles to a drug dog. They
must be pretty sure something is up, wasting time is not
high on their list.
Quote: EvenBobCops as a rule are not crazy about having
somebody follow them 80 miles to a drug dog. They
must be pretty sure something is up, wasting time is not
high on their list.
Are you kidding? The guy's job is to sit on the side of the road watching the clock until it's time to stop a soccer mom from driving 83 in a 75. Now he had a chance at a drug bust. Dude had wood for the whole drive to the dog...
Quote: boymimboYou haven't made part of the story clear, treetop.
(1) was the marijuana smelling containers yours, and what were they originally containing? If they were not yours, then why did you take an unclean car from the rental location?
(2) was the $35K yours, or was it found in the vehicle?
If the $35K was your money, why wouldn't you declare that when you got pulled over and announced that they were going to do a search? If it was not yours, what is the issue? The cops found the money and it was likely proceeds (due to the marijuana smelling containers) of crime. It seems to me that the marijuana containers would be connected with the money. If the money was not yours, why do you care?
You don't know if the cops on I-70 were looking for rental vehicles for drug interdiction, and I don't have a problem with drug interdiction program as your country has been declaring a war on drugs for years.
If the money was yours, good luck. Here's a story: Trucker fights $550,000 seizure. You will HAVE to hire LAWYERS to get your money back and to prove that this was not proceeds of crime.
Seems to me the police officer did a great job. He stopped you based on some sort of suspicion. He then asked if he could check your car with a K-9 based on some sort of suspicion. They end up finding drug paraphernalia in your car and a large sum of money.
His suspicions were correct and he did his job. Now a Judge takes over. End of story as far as the police officer is concerned.
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Quote: rdw4potusDude had wood for the whole drive to the dog...
So no probable cause, just pick a random guy
and hope for the best? Yeah, that'll work. LOL
First off, treetopbuddy is a fine member of this forum, having contributed to this forum for 900 posts now, and counting. I don't have a doubt that he is making up this story, though parts of it are unclear.
He made a comment about conservatives with boners which obviously pissed some people off, and instead of expounding on the story, he was forced to defend his political views instead. It's bullying.
If you look out on recent seizures on the DoJ website (which are publicly available), you can see seizures for cash in that vicinity of Kansas along the I-70 corridor. For cops, it's a very high reward with little risk. Most seizures of cash are never returned. The cop probably didn't see anything except a new car and a glimpse of a single male driver, which may have piqued his interest. When following the car, the cop probably ran the plates and found that it was a rental, which piqued his interest even more. Thinking of risk/reward, he probably stopped the car as the driver fit the profile of a drug runner.
Now, we don't know if the $35K belonged to Treetop or if it was money found by the cops. We don't know if the containers were treetops or found by the cops as well. If the $35K was Treetop's, then he needs to hire legal help to attempt to get the money back and explain the containers (if they were also his). Likely, the cops have already written up the report to prove a case of civil seizure and the money will never be seen again. And treetop should probably tell us the legitimate reason why he was travelling with $35K.
Quote: boymimboEvenBob (and others):
And treetop should probably tell us the legitimate reason why he was travelling with $35K.
No, he shouldn't say anything, in case a statement here is used in a court of law against him.
He should explain it to his lawyer.
Quote: boymimboHe made a comment about conservatives with boners which obviously pissed some people off
I actually laughed when I read that comment from him. :)
(I only wondered what the heck it had to do with his predicament)
Quote: boymimboAnd treetop should probably tell us the legitimate reason why he was travelling with $35K.
I just assumed he was driving from KC to Blackhawk on a gambling trip and that was his bankroll. Why else would we be discussing any of this on a gambling-related forum? :-)
And treetop should probably tell us the legitimate reason why he was travelling with $35K."
Hey, this is AMERICA. Why the F*** does anybody have to explain the reason they are traveling with $35 K ? ? ?
GUILTY until proven innocent in not a phrase I remember seeing in the US Constitution.
Face, respectfully disagree. Treetop could have been a deaf mute without a pencil and he was still gonna be nailed !
Quote: boymimboHe made a comment about conservatives with boners which obviously pissed some people off
I guess you could call me a conservative?, but I don't have a boner right now.
Either way, his comment didn't piss me off.
He made a comment about conservatives with boners which obviously pissed some people off
I see no reference that the cop was a conservative. His actions don't seem to support that fact.
I thought conservatives were against unwarranted searches and seizures.
But I do think the cop was excited knowing if treetop had any cash, the dog would hit on it!
Quote: KeyserSozeI guess you could call me a conservative?, but I don't have a boner right now.
ff.
Lol, me either. Also, why are we supposed to have boners
all the time anyway, I don't remember.
In that case, you're just too darned old. Time to get the ole PSA checked again. By the way, the answer is Cialis. As if four hours is symptomatic of a problem.Quote: EvenBobWhy are we supposed to have boners all the time anyway, I don't remember.
Because he gave you the warning. That should have been the end of it.Quote: treetopbuddyAre you just playing with me? The MF wouldn't let me leave! I politely asked to go! You probably know that car chases never end well for the pursued. I had no choice! Why is this so hard to understand?
I have been warned before about carrying that much cash. I brought $20,600 cash to the table at the Silverton. I literally got laughed at by several people there as they counted all my money. But it was also made to me the point: it is dangerous carrying around that kind of cash! It's fun, but it is dangerous too.
The most I have carried around since then was $9,900, and even that has been a while. Even $2,000 cash is enough for someone looking over your shoulder to start thinking about how they could take some of it.
It's very smart to use casino markers and to wire funds to the casino before you arrive when you start dealing with that much money. I've been in a position where I have asked security to escort me out to my car after walking with a big win at a low-end property.
I have no experience with markers, however. But you guys reading might want to use this as a learning experience instead of just jumping all over TTB.
Quote: treetopbuddyyour right....'conservatives believe in..... less intrusive government'. Intrusive government nevertheless but just less intrusive. Couldn't have said it better.
Conservatives just believe in a different type of intrusion than liberals.
But man, the title of this thread is FREAKING AWESOME!
"I was raped at mile marker 164"
That's worthy of immediate entry into the WoV Hall of Fame, if there is such a thing.
Quote: KeyserSozeOP- sorry you lost your drugs and cash.
But man, the title of this thread is FREAKING AWESOME!
"I was raped at mile marker 164"
That's worthy of immediate entry into the WoV Hall of Fame, if there is such a thing.
Yeah, he mentioned the cash and the weed but he never said how the sex was.
Who wouldn't listen to the Western standard "I was raped at mile marker 164" by Evenbob and the Tinfoil Hats?
The burden of proof is not on the defendant, but on the prosecution. All the defendant and his counsel have to do is raise reasonable doubt.Quote: EvenBobHe'll have his chance to prove it's not true if it goes to
court.
One (presumably) white man in a rental car doesn't sound like a very narrow drug profile. It could apply to tens of thousands of renters of cars every day.Quote: boymimboThe cop probably didn't see anything except a new car and a glimpse of a single male driver, which may have piqued his interest. When following the car, the cop probably ran the plates and found that it was a rental, which piqued his interest even more. Thinking of risk/reward, he probably stopped the car as the driver fit the profile of a drug runner.
Quote: SanchoPanzaAll the defendant and his counsel have to do is raise reasonable doubt.
Right. That's why our prisons are bursting with drug offenders.
Quote: NareedCivil Forfeiture is a highly unfair practice bordering on the tyrannical.
See more about it here: http://www.ij.org/massachusetts-civil-forfeiture
http://www.ij.org/michigan-civil-forfeiture-background
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Quote: treetopbuddyThe day is coming that the pirates of I-70 are going to pull this shit on the wrong guy.
Meaning you were the right guy? When will you tell
us what really happened.
Quote: treetopbuddyThe day is coming that the pirates of I-70 are going to pull this shit on the wrong guy.
Shenanigans, Johnny Chimpo!
I said it once, and I'll say it again: There's more to this story than the OP is telling us.Quote: Beethoven9thHas the OP even specified whether the money/drugs were his? Something about this whole story is fishy.
*I don't believe he's lying, but I do believe that he has left out important parts of the story.
Quote: EvenBobMeaning you were the right guy? When will you tell
us what really happened.
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Quote: treetopbuddyI've explained in detail exactly what happened.
No, you didn't. Let me prove my point:
Were the money & drugs yours??
Quote: Beethoven9thNo, you didn't. Let me prove my point:
Were the money & drugs yours??
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Quote: treetopbuddyIf your going to shoot your mouth at least take the time to read OP. The Pirates found no drugs. Yes, the money was mine.
LOL. fine. Were the dank drug-smelling containers also yours? :-P
Quote: treetopbuddyIf your going to shoot your mouth at least take the time to read OP. The Pirates found no drugs. Yes, the money was mine.
Um...you didn't say that in the OP (unless you just edited it). Also, I'm not the only one who asked that question, you know.
...and I still think you've left out important parts of the story.
Quote: rdw4potusLOL. fine. Were the dank drug-smelling containers also yours? :-P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyy4yaVwsv0
On a dark Kansas highway, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of drugs & cash, rising up thru the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a flashing light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim,
I had to pull to the right
There he stood in my doorway
I heard him mention the smell
And I was thinking to myself
If he looks in the trunk, this could be hell
Then he lit up his flashlight, and he showed me the way
There were drugs on the trunk floor
I thought I heard him say......
Quote: SanchoPanzaThe burden of proof is not on the defendant, but on the prosecution. All the defendant and his counsel have to do is raise reasonable doubt.
Yeah, have your attorney put the dog on the witness stand. Try and subpena the financial records of that cop. Spend 40K to try and get your money back.
Think about it. No charges filed, money confiscated because the dog hit on it. Take that dog to the local bank and arrest all the people
who work there.
Quote: Beethoven9thUm...you didn't say that in the OP (unless you just edited it). And I'm not the only one who asked that question, you know.
Also, I still think you've left out important parts of the story.
The lack of drugs is clear in the OP. I think there were two distinct points in this most recent post: 1. no drugs (in the OP) 2. money is TTB's (new information).
Quote: rdw4potusThe lack of drugs is clear in the OP.
You're right...what I meant to ask was whether or not the baggies (which smelled of marijuana) was his. He never made that clear in the OP.
