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October 7th, 2012 at 3:23:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just asked and the doctor said he got a whole
packet of stuff from Obamacare and the form
is just the first of many to come.


Just exactly who is Obamacare? Are they a specific federal department or agency? To they number their forms? Which form requires that these questions be answered in order for the provider to be paid?

As for answering race/ethnicity questions that you feel are too intrusive, I think that "Don't know" or "Not sure" is a reasonable answer. Personally, I've only heard rumors from my parents and made guesses on my own -- surely they don't want official government forms filled out with rumors and guesses.
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October 7th, 2012 at 4:08:07 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Just exactly who is Obamacare? Are they a specific federal department or agency? To they number their forms? Which form requires that these questions be answered in order for the provider to be paid?



These are fair questions. I don't think anyone is calling you or your wife a liar EvenBob, but it should be pretty easy for you to substantiate the claims you've made. Then, and likely only then, can the conversation proceed to discussing the implications of such forms.
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 5:24:18 PM permalink
And here it is:

Overview of Section 4302 of the Affordable Care Act

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) includes several provisions aimed at eliminating health disparities in America. Section 4302 (Understanding health disparities: data collection and analysis) of the ACA focuses on the standardization, collection, analysis, and reporting of health disparities data. While data alone will not reduce disparities, it can be foundational to our efforts to understand the causes, design effective responses, and evaluate our progress.

Section 4302 requires the Secretary of DHHS to establish data collection standards for race, ethnicity, sex, primary language, and disability status. The law requires that, once established, these data collection standards be used, to the extent practicable, in all national population health surveys.


Health 'disparities', this means info that only your
doctor was privy to before. Now any gov't flunky
can see it without a warrant, without even asking.
Feel better now? And we still don't have Bill Clinton
or Obama's health records. No, those are private.
But not our health info, no no, thats soon to be a
matter of public record.
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rxwine
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October 7th, 2012 at 5:42:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Health 'disparities', this means info that only your
doctor was privy to before. Now any gov't flunky
can see it without a warrant, without even asking.
Feel better now?



I still don't see any compelling reason for you to answer truthfully, if you don't want to. I feel fine, thankyou.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 6:22:18 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I still don't see any compelling reason for you to answer truthfully, if you don't want to. I feel fine, thankyou.



Whats answering truthfully got to do with anything?
This is a major invasion of our privacy, its none of
the gov't goddam business what my BP or weight
or race is. Good grief, what a bunch of sheep some
of you are, just line up let them stick a chip in your
neck so they know what you're doing all the time.
Thats whats next.
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AZDuffman
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October 7th, 2012 at 6:23:34 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I still don't see any compelling reason for you to answer truthfully, if you don't want to. I feel fine, thankyou.



Why should EB or anyone have to lie on a health form to protect their privacy. EB did the research, but it is as I thought--affirmitive action for medical care.


"I need an MRI"
"Sorry, sir, we have taken our quota of <insert ethnic group, sex, sexual orientation, or whatever else the government wants> this week. Try again next month."

THANKS, OBAMA!
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Doc
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October 7th, 2012 at 6:27:36 PM permalink
Excellent post, Bob. Thank you very much. Can you give us the link for the quoted material?

Now, provided that the Secretary of DHHS has established these standards, some of the relevant questions that arise might be (1) Was your wife participating in a national population health survey? (2) Does she have to participate in the survey? (3) Does some other provision say that the service provider won't be paid if (s)he doesn't collect the answers from everyone?

There are probably a lot more questions, but if this applies to every patient/health-care-provider relationship, then that alone should be sufficient basis for repealing the act.
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 6:38:49 PM permalink
Quote: Doc


(1) Was your wife participating in a national population health survey? (2) Does she have to participate in the survey? (3) Does some other provision say that the service provider won't be paid if (s)he doesn't collect the answers from everyone?



I already answered all this. She doesn't have
to answer the questions, and the doctor doesn't have to
give her the form. And when he goes to file an Obamacare
invoice to get paid for treating her, because no form was
filled out, he will get pennies on the dollar, so little that
he's almost treating her for nothing.

Its insideous. Nobody HAS to do anything, but if you don't,
you get punished by being left out in the cold.
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AZDuffman
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October 7th, 2012 at 6:55:13 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I already answered all this. She doesn't have
to answer the questions, and the doctor doesn't have to
give her the form. And when he goes to file an Obamacare
invoice to get paid for treating her, because no form was
filled out, he will get pennies on the dollar, so little that
he's almost treating her for nothing.

Its insideous. Nobody HAS to do anything, but if you don't,
you get punished by being left out in the cold.



Sounds like "Animal Farm" where the animals were offered voluntary work but any animal who did not do it had his or her food rations cut in half.
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Paradigm
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October 7th, 2012 at 7:02:32 PM permalink
EB and I don't always agree, but I got to tell you, I think he may be on to something here and this is a bit unbelievable. I just perused the first few paragraphs of the article, but check out this link on the HHS. I think EB is right and this is a bit scary!

Data_Gathering

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