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EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 12:59:18 PM permalink
My wife is irate. She went to her chiropractor last week
for her usual appointment and he gave her a form to fill
out first. It was asking all kinds of intrusive questions,
like her age, weight, blood pressure, drugs she takes,
education level, marriage status, all kinds of stuff. But
what really got her going were the race and religion
questions.

What race was she, what was her religious affiliation.
What was her ethnicity. In other words, if she put down
white for race, where were her 'people' from. Poland?
Russia? England? If Asian, are you Chinese, Vietmese,
etc. My wife works for an incurance company and they
can't ask any of these type of questions.

She gave the form back and said she wouldn't do it. Thats
when the nurse said it was an Obamacare form and she
has to fill it out, if she doesn't they can refuse to treat her.
So she did it, gritting her teeth. The doctor told her he can
get in big trouble if everybody doesn't fill out these forms.
He said its their way of tracking everybody, of getting every
person in the country into the 'system' and pigeonholing
them. He hates it, but what can he do.

Welcome to Socialism, and this is just the start.
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Doc
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:11:27 PM permalink
I have never seen that form, so this post is strictly an uninformed opinion.

I highly doubt that a form with those questions is a required federal government form for any kind of medical or chiropractic care. I think your wife should ask for a copy of her submitted form for her her own records and check for the OMB/HHS/other form number. If you could post that, it would give us more basis for a good conversation here.
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:20:16 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

I have never seen that form, so this post is strictly an uninformed opinion.

I highly doubt that a form with those questions is a required federal government form for any kind of medical or chiropractic care.



Yes, my wife was lying to me, thats what happened.
Thats why she was so pissed, it was a government
form asking questions that are supposed to be just
between her and her doctor. And what does a bone
crunching doctor need with all that info. Its because
he's included in Obamacare, thats why. My wife said
he was very upset and had lost a few patients already
because they refused to fill it out and went to find
another doctor.

This is a very touchy subject with a lot of people. Here's just
one comment from an article on race I was reading.

"I am personally so offended by the very question of "RACE/ETHNICITY" because it's roots were birthed in ignorance & produced discriminatory practices & segregation. EVERY time I'm questioned about the race of myself or my children (even those foreign born) I ALWAYS write in the MARGIN that I am refusing to answer the question on the basis that "WE ARE ALL OF ONE HUMAN RACE"--their?'s are ignorant & baseless except to keep us pigeonholed & to perpetuate the separateness that continues to divide us a people!"

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethnicity_vs_Race
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Mosca
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:20:38 PM permalink
I just filled out a form for a new doctor, and there were none of those questions. I believe the receptionist was lying about the form being required.

One thing, though; ethnicity can be important in treatment.
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buzzpaff
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:21:04 PM permalink
" medical or chiropractic care." glad you made that distinction.
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:24:29 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

I just filled out a form for a new doctor, and there were none of those questions. I believe the receptionist was lying about the form being required.



So this doctor, who my wife has been seeing for 15+
years, is lying about a new form he has patients filling
out. What could possibly be his motive. He told her
specifically that if he didn't get every patient to comply,
he would be penalized by the gov't. The forms were
mandatory, not optional. And he was real sick of explaining
it to people.
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Doc
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:33:17 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yes, my wife was lying to me, thats what happened.


No, I am not suggesting that your wife was lying to you or that you are lying to the forum. I just highly doubt that this was really a required government form. Someone may even have supplied it to the chiropractor, saying that he needed to have his patients fill it out. But that doesn't make it a required government form. That's why I would be very interested in knowing the agency that provided the form and the form number.

Quote: EvenBob

He told her
specifically that if he didn't get every patient to comply,
he would be penalized by the gov't. The forms were
mandatory, not optional. And he was real sick of explaining
it to people.


It would still be useful to know WHAT government agency was "requiring" this and would be penalizing the chiropractor.
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:38:43 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

No, I am not suggesting that your wife was lying to you or that you are lying to the forum. I just highly doubt that this was really a required government form. .



I just asked and the doctor said he got a whole
packet of stuff from Obamacare and the form
is just the first of many to come. He said if you
don't fill out the form he'll get paid a fraction of
what he gets paid if you do fill it out. Its so little
that he couldn't treat the patient for that small
an amount and would have to let them go. But
I'm sure he's lying, doctors love to spring practical
jokes on their patients.
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FinsRule
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:49:17 PM permalink
I can guarantee you the government doesn't require you to state your religion in order for doctors to receive payment. I'm sure there is a "prefer not to state" option.
AZDuffman
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October 7th, 2012 at 1:50:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just asked and the doctor said he got a whole
packet of stuff from Obamacare and the form
is just the first of many to come. He said if you
don't fill out the form he'll get paid a fraction of
what he gets paid if you do fill it out. Its so little
that he couldn't treat the patient for that small
an amount and would have to let them go. But
I'm sure he's lying, doctors love to spring practical
jokes on their patients.



I can absolutely believe the government is requiring collection of racial information. The US Government is fixated on collecting such info. Given how Obamacare was passed I would not be suprised if a motive is to sue someone, somewhere because "minorities are being discriminated against in medical care." Just watch!
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