Discussion about the Suspension List
My lord you're the JJ expert and you talk down everyone else for being involved with some of these things. Send me the link for the video-missed it.Quote: Beethoven9thJust a slight correction. She didn't post that video. Another member looked it up and posted it. Also, she did post photos of herself, but only after other members specifically asked her to. (I do agree though that after all that's gone down, it's probably better without her here)
Damn, no need to rub salt in the Wizard's wounds! lol
Haha...looks like I have another "fan" here who can't resist taking a shot. :D FYI, you don't need to be a JJ expert to remember her video and pictures. Hell, how can you forget them?!?!Quote: onenickelmiracleMy lord you're the JJ expert and you talk down everyone else for being involved with some of these things.
Who really cares?
Some men on this site don't mind the pay for play model: chippies for fun. Others find it morally reprehensible. For those who do find it morally wrong, how many of us had paid for a date hoping for a sexual return? How many of us have bought our significant others things and effectively paid for sex? For some of us, it isn't our cup of tea. It doesn't make JJ worse or better than any one of us, just different.
Quote: FaceHere, a random bird inspires tens of thousands of words of interest, while the Wiz compares the future of this site to the most atrocious and horrendous event in human history, one which made the Holocaust look like a bad weekend, and not a single person noticed.
I noticed. I just couldn't think of anything funny to say about it.
Quote: mickeycrimmA good pool hustler knows not to go into a town and knock off the top dog first. If u do that u won't get any action from anyone else. If anything let the whole town see u get your butt spanked by the top dog, albeit for chump change. Its best to start with the lower rung of players and working your way up the list. Next time, Jennie, save the top dog for last.
And you need to remember that if you stick around long enough in a city like Baltimore, sooner or later, someone will clean your clock. Either Beanie Weenie from DC at bank pool, Ed Kelly at 9 ball, or Rich Riggie at 1 hand pool. Aw forget it Mickey. Them days are mostly gone. SIGH
She just lives in another world, different morals.
I used to live there. If I believed in God, I would thank him I no longer live there !
OOPS. Forgot Babs in a moderator now. Came back to edit " thank him or her ".
Quote: BuzzardAnd you need to remember that if you stick around long enough in a city like Baltimore, sooner or later, someone will clean your clock. Either Beanie Weenie from DC at bank pool, Ed Kelly at 9 ball, or Rich Riggie at 1 hand pool. Aw forget it Mickey. Them days are mostly gone. SIGH
Yes, I've had my wings clipped by players of that caliber before.
Quote: BuzzardThem days are mostly gone. SIGH
"The Atlantic Ocean was something then. You should have seen the Atlantic Ocean in those days."
Quote: FaceAs I have so often lamented, we live in a world where Beiber's arrest is front page news the world over, while the Ukraine burns and isn't found until page nine, at best. Here, a random bird inspires tens of thousands of words of interest, while the Wiz compares the future of this site to the most atrocious and horrendous event in human history, one which made the Holocaust look like a bad weekend, and not a single person noticed.
Respectfully submitted, the typical participant on an Internet forum devoted primarily to gambling is unlikely to want to discuss, or even think about, genocide. Still, I doubt very much that the Wizard intended the phrase to be used in precisely the same manner that Mao did.
Quote: FaceAgree. Agree. Agree.
I think "embarrassing" is the best word I can use to describe what I feel and have been feeling, with maybe a touch of wonder at how women have not yet taken over the world. As JJ has shown, it really is that easy.
As I have so often lamented, we live in a world where Beiber's arrest is front page news the world over, while the Ukraine burns and isn't found until page nine, at best. Here, a random bird inspires tens of thousands of words of interest, while the Wiz compares the future of this site to the most atrocious and horrendous event in human history, one which made the Holocaust look like a bad weekend, and not a single person noticed.
Today's a new day. Make it better than the last.
Face, can you help me with that phrase? I don't read all the threads or comments and they are vast so are you referring to Mao's eliminating the 60 million or what are you referencing that no one noticed? Are you referring to Stalin's 20-40 million?
Someone would have to know the real you and your secret identity, as I call it. whatevers hey heyQuote: soxfanI have to say I'm still kinda suprised that a cat can get the gavel from this forum for stuff that happens outside and away from the forum. Oh well, I guess I'll hve to behave myself at future WoV meetups, hey hey.
Quote: boymimboWe confirmed that JJ is real and her character is pretty much as described: "aspiring model" who likes to get paid for a "good time" using methods that are not characterized as morally sound (to some of us).
Some men on this site don't mind the pay for play model: chippies for fun. Others find it morally reprehensible. For those who do find it morally wrong, how many of us had paid for a date hoping for a sexual return? How many of us have bought our significant others things and effectively paid for sex? For some of us, it isn't our cup of tea. It doesn't make JJ worse or better than any one of us, just different.
To 'effectively pay for sex' is to be less efficient than to actually pay for said services. That's why I hate 'pay for play' types as you put it, since it is often no fun. To respond to Ayecarumba, I assume the Wizard's banning was to protect other members from becoming targets, and that it purposely lacked detail to avoid the possibility of a trumped-up libel allegation (i.e. not going to make himself a target). If it truly was a clear-cut misunderstanding as opposed to that word being euphemistic, then it seems pretty harsh. But reading between the lines, I doubt that is the case. It is pretty simple math to figure out how much was won and lost at a blackjack table, hard to misunderstand if you are older than 6. The Wizard also plainly stated he would not elaborate.
Quote: SonuvabishTo 'effectively pay for sex' is to be less efficient than to actually pay for said services. That's why I hate 'pay for play' types as you put it, since it is often no fun. To respond to Ayecarumba, I assume the Wizard's banning was to protect other members from becoming targets, and that it purposely lacked detail to avoid the possibility of a trumped-up libel allegation (i.e. not going to make himself a target). If it truly was a clear-cut misunderstanding as opposed to that word being euphemistic, then it seems pretty harsh. But reading between the lines, I doubt that is the case. It is pretty simple math to figure out how much was won and lost at a blackjack table, hard to misunderstand if you are older than 6. The Wizard also plainly stated he would not elaborate.
I will agree with the Wizard walking a fine line. I think he wanted to get us as much info as he could without being subject to a lawsuit from JJ. I think that is pretty clear when he said he was on the 4th statement. I would love to read the 1st one as I bet it is much detail to it.
Quote: soxfanI have to say I'm still kinda suprised that a cat can get the gavel from this forum for stuff that happens outside and away from the forum. Oh well, I guess I'll hve to behave myself at future WoV meetups, hey hey.
I don't think it is something that the average member here need worry about...obviously, there was something special about JJ that sent her packing. I don't believe it is quite as simple as the Wizard put it; his statement was enough to tell us simply that he thought the banning was necessary without going to far...
Considering the hot mess the hot thread and many others have turned into, I see it as almost hard to get tossed the way JJ did...
I also think we'll evolve away from this everyone being scared to say anything for fear of the uber-sensitive anti-insult police getting us for our transgressions to one where we understand what is okay and what is not and move on from there...
The same day he gets banned he comes back with another nick!
LOL.
egalite/RolexWatch and now Bmayo319!
Quote: GWAEI will agree with the Wizard walking a fine line. I think he wanted to get us as much info as he could without being subject to a lawsuit from JJ. I think that is pretty clear when he said he was on the 4th statement. I would love to read the 1st one as I bet it is much detail to it.
I would like to read his first draft on VENETIAN !
+1Quote: BuzzardI would like to read his first draft on VENETIAN !
Quote: boymimboWe confirmed that JJ is real and her character is pretty much as described: "aspiring model" who likes to get paid for a "good time" using methods that are not characterized as morally sound (to some of us).
Some men on this site don't mind the pay for play model: chippies for fun. Others find it morally reprehensible. For those who do find it morally wrong, how many of us had paid for a date hoping for a sexual return? How many of us have bought our significant others things and effectively paid for sex? For some of us, it isn't our cup of tea. It doesn't make JJ worse or better than any one of us, just different.
Quote: SonuvabishTo 'effectively pay for sex' is to be less efficient than to actually pay for said services. That's why I hate 'pay for play' types as you put it, since it is often no fun. To respond to Ayecarumba, I assume the Wizard's banning was to protect other members from becoming targets, and that it purposely lacked detail to avoid the possibility of a trumped-up libel allegation (i.e. not going to make himself a target). If it truly was a clear-cut misunderstanding as opposed to that word being euphemistic, then it seems pretty harsh. But reading between the lines, I doubt that is the case. It is pretty simple math to figure out how much was won and lost at a blackjack table, hard to misunderstand if you are older than 6. The Wizard also plainly stated he would not elaborate.
The apocryphal Sinatra quote applies: You don't pay a hooker to come, you pay her to go.
I have a question, what if a statement is absolutely true?Quote: beachbumbabsLemieux66 is suspended for 3 days for this personal insult.
Quote: AxelWolfI have a question, what if a statement is absolutely true?Quote: beachbumbabsLemieux66 is suspended for 3 days for this personal insult.
Interesting. If you call someone a moron, and it turns out they actually are a moron... What happens.
Quote: michael99000Interesting. If you call someone a moron, and it turns out they actually are a moron... What happens.Quote: AxelWolfI have a question, what if a statement is absolutely true?
Doesn't matter. For example, in one thread a member flat out lied about one of my prior posts. After producing the full quote and proving the lie, I told him that he was dishonest [for lying]. He had the audacity to take offense at my (true) statement, yet _I_ was the one who ended up getting warned. No biggie, since I don't create/enforce the rules, but hopefully that answers your question.
Quote: Beethoven9thDoesn't matter. For example, in one thread a member flat out lied about one of my prior posts. After producing the full quote and proving the lie, I told him that he was dishonest [for lying]. He had the audacity to take offense at my (true) statement, yet _I_ was the one who ended up getting warned. No biggie, since I don't create/enforce the rules, but hopefully that answers your question.
"You are a legit moron." My hands are tied. Personal insult by any standard.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: Beethoven9thDoesn't matter. For example, in one thread a member flat out lied about one of my prior posts. After producing the full quote and proving the lie, I told him that he was dishonest [for lying]. He had the audacity to take offense at my (true) statement, yet _I_ was the one who ended up getting warned. No biggie, since I don't create/enforce the rules, but hopefully that answers your question.
"You are a legit moron." My hands are tied. Personal insult by any standard.
Agreed, and I think it would be too much responsibility to put judging the accuracy of a statement like that on your shoulders. I guess the rule is, true or not true.. Just don't say it.
Quote: beachbumbabs"You are a legit moron." My hands are tied. Personal insult by any standard.
Totally agree about that line.
Quote: beachbumbabsLemieux66 is suspended for 3 days for this personal insult.
Overruling Mission!!! (sorry, couldn't resist)
>who likes to get paid for a "good time" using methods that are not characterized as morally sound (to some of us).
Actually I stopped reading that JJ thread after a while, but it was clear something was amiss and I even wondered if there had been radical surgery.
Lets face it. All taxi drivers and most dealers eventually have to deal with this problem. Taxi drivers make less money from hookers than Limo drivers do. Many taxi drivers have had hookers run full speed into that back seat and scream "Two hundred bucks if you get me out of this" as some less than fully dressed male is in hot pursuit of them. Or should I say the male is in hot pursuit of his wallet/chips/watch/pants or whatever.
Many male dealers in Vegas have hookers number on speed dial simply because the dealer know he will get a cut. Of course if casino security finds out he is doing this his job is toast.
One very attractive model at a convention was photographed and her dress happened to have two broad straps going over her shoulders. Apparently some rather inebriated males asked for some "special" photographs and the next photo depicted her with a winsome smile and sans straps, but the photo did not prove why there was such a proud smile on her face. Was she unwise? Probably, but the men had promised the photos were just for them. And the gentlemen did live up to their reputations by cropping the strapless image. Had she sampled too many of the drinks she was serving? Perhaps. Was she simply flattered that a group of inebriated but very married men had asked her? Perhaps. But in fact she was a convention model, not a hooker.
But let's face it. Las Vegas has been known as Sin City for a long time and they are not limiting the term to gambling. Loiter at the airport as the weekend approaches and its easy to spot females who will be flying back Monday morning after having spent the weekend as "escorts" of some sort.
The JJ thread was obviously crossing a line. It was entertaining. The same way that watching the hooker trying to escape is entertaining or hearing her tell the cop who found the man's wallet under her wig "I didn't know it was there" is entertaining.
For a website dealing with Las Vegas these topics will from time to time arise. But no matter how entertaining, it clearly was
that JJ thread surely crossed a line.
Quote: RonCI also think we'll evolve away from this everyone being scared to say anything for fear of the uber-sensitive anti-insult police getting us for our transgressions to one where we understand what is okay and what is not and move on from there...
Eventually, over-moderated forums lose their appeal cuz cats tire of treading on needles and pins hopin to avoid gettin the gavel. Of course, lack of moderation, like on the old gambling glen can be problematic as well, so a happy medium needs to be found, hey hey.
I also think we'll evolve away from this everyone being scared to say anything for fear of the uber-sensitive anti-insult police getting us for our transgressions to one where we understand what is okay and what is not and move on from there...
Quote: soxfanEventually, over-moderated forums lose their appeal cuz cats tire of treading on needles and pins hopin to avoid gettin the gavel. Of course, lack of moderation, like on the old gambling glen can be problematic as well, so a happy medium needs to be found, hey hey.
RonC echoes my own thoughts on that. Very little has changed, but the reaction has been IMO a bit over the top compared to what's actually happening. I don't think it's been an uber-sensitive anti-insult initiative as much as a more uniform enforcement of a standard that already existed, with a couple of tweeks to the verbiage. We'll see, but it would be my preference that folks continue to post and say what they think, with vigorous debate disparaging the subject if that's how they feel, but just leave the personal insults to other forums. I look for ways NOT to ban people making bannable posts, such as a PM or a warning, like I did with Axel's typo (it was a lot of work trying to get what happened confirmed, involved 6 people, about 10 PM's, some editing out the slur in 3rd party copies, and then undoing the ban - all worth it in trying to be fair); but serve up a juicy slowball over the plate, and I'm gonna have to swing, as are the others.
Quote: aceofspadesThe apocryphal Sinatra quote applies: You don't pay a hooker to come, you pay her to go.
What he actually said was, you don't hire
a hooker for sex, you hire her to leave
when you tell her to. Which every man
knows is a luxury few of us have.
Quote: BuzzardIs it allowed to change your screen name. I am thing about changing mine to Felix Unger. So I can sign all my posts FU !
It must be allowed...you've already done it once:-)
Does converting the sentiment to an explicit opinion eliminate the reason for expulsion?
Quote: BlackHawkDownIs it ok to say, for example, "I believe you are a legit moron"?
Does converting the sentiment to an explicit opinion eliminate the reason for expulsion?
Also, if "legit moron" is an insult, does that mean that "bastard moron" is a complement?
Quote: BlackHawkDownIs it ok to say, for example, "I believe you are a legit moron"?
Does converting the sentiment to an explicit opinion eliminate the reason for expulsion?
One member has proven somewhat conclusively that simile is accepted. So, "you are like a legit moron" would seem to be OK. Also, indirect insults have been shown to be allowed. So "people who agree with you are morons/people who think that are morons" would be acceptable.
Quote: rdw4potusIt must be allowed...you've already done it once:-)
I actually have no idea how that happened. REALLY !
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAlso, if "legit moron" is an insult, does that mean that "bastard moron" is a complement?
Good one!
English is a fun language, no?!
Quote: BlackHawkDownIs it ok to say, for example, "I believe you are a legit moron"?
Nope. Unless something is prefaced as an absolute fact, I take everything said here to be a matter of opinion. So prefacing an insult that it is an opinion doesn't soften the edge at all.
Quote: MoscaHow about, "You are a totally wonderful person who is acting like an asshole." That would probably be okay, wouldn't it?
Nope. The rule of thumb is you can attack the writing, not the writer, or the behavior of the writer.
Quote: WizardNope. Unless something is prefaced as an absolute fact, I take everything said here to be a matter of opinion. So prefacing an insult that it is an opinion doesn't soften the edge at all.
Nope. The rule of thumb is you can attack the writing, not the writer, or the behavior of the writer.
OK. "You're great, but your thoughts, as you have expressed them here in writing, are completely asinine." Or better, "I think you are wonderful, but what you have written is as if it were written by a complete nincompoop, which is puzzling to me."
