Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: MrVIf you miss MC, go follow him on the other boards he's still active at.
Allowing him back here would be a bad idea.
What, give him a mulligan, but no one else?
Really?
Actually, I think he got a mulligan or two.
I was in a bad mood last night.
I'm better today, but it's still early ;-)
Katie bar the door.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLIt's Sunday,
Katie bar the door.
Who dies and left this chump in charge. Seriously it is an internet board, 17,000 plus posts and you guys admire someone that is truly an asswipe.
Quote: DeMango24 minutes and counting.....
Sorry. Been a long day.
hardon20minus4 has been banned.
* waits for 1BB patiently *
Quote: djatcSometimes letting the crazed ones go rampant for a while makes for great quality entertainment, but I know WoV is too classy for that.
Those posts (unfortunately) speak volumes. About the poster. I think professional counseling would be in order, and perhaps quite a bit of it.
And if I were one of the four, I'd think about a possible restraining order.
In my opinion, anybody this obsessed is a potential threat. This guy isn't well. He's far from it.
It's not even funny anymore.
Quite possibly.Quote: texasplumrI think this one may be beyond counseling.
Quite probably.Quote: texasplumr
This guy isn't well. He's far from it.
I'm not sure it ever was.Quote: texasplumr
It's not even funny anymore.
Quote: freelancer1234.
I need a couple of these:
Perhaps make it so new members can't use certain words that contain ID references. A warning could appear saying, Due to spam new members are restricted from using various words, please contact a moderator if you feel this is in error and you have a legitimate question or post.
Quote: freelancer1234Buy high quality fake and real Passport, Visa, driving license, ID cards, diplomas, etc. freelancerhackingltd@gmail.com
These posts can be reported to the U.S. Dept. of State
Copy and paste.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm surprised there isn't a way to prevent people from posting this fake ID stuff. They can obviously easily block posts that have key words.
Perhaps make it so new members can't use certain words that contain ID references. A warning could appear saying, Due to spam new members are restricted from using various words, please contact a moderator if you feel this is in error and you have a legitimate question or post.
From the original Forum Rule 4: "When enough members have flagged a post as inappropriate, it will automatically be removed". Really? Are we to believe, even for a second, that "enough" members did not flag the post by hardon that started the thread now titled "Thread Title Removed", a thread started with the sole purpose of bashing, insulting and hurting forum members? A thread that went 44 posts and five pages with obvious ill intent. In my opinion, closing it is too little too late and solves nothing. I'm sure aceofspades is thrilled to see how we have his back. Sorry, ace.
The five fake ID posts have been up for 5 hours. If flagging worked they may have already disappeared. Other posts seem to have no problem disappearing and the posters get banned for life. There are ways to prevent this spam and there certainly are ways to deal with it post haste. Maybe these issues will be addressed when the forum undergoes it's inevitable overhaul.
Quote: 1BBFrom the original Forum Rule 4: "When enough members have flagged a post as inappropriate, it will automatically be removed". Really? Are we to believe, even for a second, that "enough" members did not flag the post by hardon that started the thread now titled "Thread Title Removed", a thread started with the sole purpose of bashing, insulting and hurting forum members? A thread that went 44 posts and five pages with obvious ill intent. In my opinion, closing it is too little too late and solves nothing. I'm sure aceofspades is thrilled to see how we have his back. Sorry, ace.
The five fake ID posts have been up for 5 hours. If flagging worked they may have already disappeared. Other posts seem to have no problem disappearing and the posters get banned for life. There are ways to prevent this spam and there certainly are ways to deal with it post haste. Maybe these issues will be addressed when the forum undergoes it's inevitable overhaul.
IBB, I love you man...
But, really?
I've read your post several times, but all I walk away with,
All I see is a complaint that the Admins aren't working
hard enough or fast enough. They are working,
they reached out and slapped me on the wrist.
Just how hard, and how fast,
Would be enough for you?
And that question is not a sex joke..
Quote: TwoFeathersATLIBB, I love you man...
But, really?
I've read your post several times, but all I walk away with,
All I see is a complaint that the Admins aren't working
hard enough or fast enough. They are working,
they reached out and slapped me on the wrist.
Just how hard, and how fast,
Would be enough for you?
And that question is not a sex joke..
Once again you have completely missed my point. Are you becoming one of those who just see a post of mine and automatically assume that I'm complaining? The purpose of my post was to get clarification on the flagging process. Nowhere did I complain about an administrator not doing their job. I'm quite cognizant of the work that they put in thanks to Face having shared some of that with us and I understand that they may have lives outside this forum that would prevent them from being here 24 hours a day.
I'm bringing up legitimate issues that could benefit the forum and you're the one complaining about it. The thread that I referred to is still there for everyone to see, a permanent insult to three of our members. I suggest that if flagging worked the way it used to there never would have been five pages to that thread and that the entire thing would have quickly disappeared. That's the way flagging used to work and that's the claim that is still in the rules. Flagging comes with responsibility and there are a lot more members than there were when the policy was instituted. Some thought would have to be put into it as every member cannot just be handed this privilege.
How fast you ask? I couldn't care less but I'll bet others do. It doesn't shed a good light on the forum. Flagging used to work, now it doesn't and I'm asking if that's something that should be explored. That's all. No complaining.
Other sites have up/downvoting functionality where sufficiently-negative posts get hidden. This site uses custom software so it's less easy to just turn on such features. I advised going with OSS a long time ago but that's not my call, and now it's probably not Mike's either.Quote: 1BBFlagging used to work, now it doesn't and I'm asking if that's something that should be explored. That's all. No complaining.
Quote: 1BBOnce again you have completely missed my point. Are you becoming one of those who just see a post of mine and automatically assume that I'm complaining? The purpose of my post was to get clarification on the flagging process. Nowhere did I complain about an administrator not doing their job. I'm quite cognizant of the work that they put in thanks to Face having shared some of that with us and I understand that they may have lives outside this forum that would prevent them from being here 24 hours a day.
I'm bringing up legitimate issues that could benefit the forum and you're the one complaining about it. The thread that I referred to is still there for everyone to see, a permanent insult to three of our members. I suggest that if flagging worked the way it used to there never would have been five pages to that thread and that the entire thing would have quickly disappeared. That's the way flagging used to work and that's the claim that is still in the rules. Flagging comes with responsibility and there are a lot more members than there were when the policy was instituted. Some thought would have to be put into it as every member cannot just be handed this privilege.
How fast you ask? I couldn't care less but I'll bet others do. It doesn't shed a good light on the forum. Flagging used to work, now it doesn't and I'm asking if that's something that should be explored. That's all. No complaining.
Dear 1BB
Thank you for the clarification on your previous post. I was admittedly posting in response to not that post only, but your cumulative posts about the administration of the Forum(s). I started by stating 'I love you man'. I end similarly, "the forum(s) wouldn't be the same without you."
You're not a secret administrator are you?...;-)
Quote: 1BBMaybe these issues will be addressed when the forum undergoes it's inevitable overhaul.
So you know something we don't? Any clues? Does it involve you buying it or being paid an advisory fee for your input?
Quote: BozSo you know something we don't? Any clues? Does it involve you buying it or being paid an advisory fee for your input?
I'm unable to talk about it at this time. Don't fret, Boz. When something becomes available I'll have my people contact your people. You do have people? In the meantime just keep being good ole Boz.
Quote: 1BBFrom the original Forum Rule 4: "When enough members have flagged a post as inappropriate, it will automatically be removed". Really? Are we to believe, even for a second, that "enough" members did not flag the post by hardon that started the thread now titled "Thread Title Removed", a thread started with the sole purpose of bashing, insulting and hurting forum members? A thread that went 44 posts and five pages with obvious ill intent. In my opinion, closing it is too little too late and solves nothing. I'm sure aceofspades is thrilled to see how we have his back. Sorry, ace.
The five fake ID posts have been up for 5 hours. If flagging worked they may have already disappeared. Other posts seem to have no problem disappearing and the posters get banned for life. There are ways to prevent this spam and there certainly are ways to deal with it post haste. Maybe these issues will be addressed when the forum undergoes it's inevitable overhaul.
Flagging still works, at least as of the last time I asked, which was the last time you brought it up. I don't recall exactly when that was, but it wasn't long ago. Maybe a few months. So unless it has been since turned off, and I have no reason to believe it was or ever will be without an announcement, it's still there.
The way I react to such posts follows my own code of beliefs, which put a premium on freedom and personal responsibility. I feel justified in doing so because I feel it follows the line laid down by Wiz for all the years I've been here. Just as we know he hates system discussion yet allows it, so too do I not allow my own personal opinions guide how I moderate. So whether it's a thread I think is dumb but others seem to like, or a thread I think is dumb and I believe others hate it too, I let most all of it remain.
On the topic of the monkey or any other tenacious troll, I'm sort of at a loss. My personal belief is whatever someone posts, assuming it is not incredibly vulgar, should stand as a testament to their character. I didn't leave the thread in question up because I thought Axel, EB, and Ace deserved to be cut down. Rather, I thought they were all the types to be more than able to handle childish taunts, and said taunts were more harmful to the OP.
Now, I got and have gotten many calls from many members to nix such posts immediately. Almost all of these requests have a common thread - the only way to make him go for good is to cut off the reactions he seeks, and insta-nixing all of his stuff would be a way to do that. A good suggestion, and logical. However, nearly every member who has suggested this also happens to be a member who is right in the offenders thread replying to them each and every time.
Sort of strange, innit? Like Wiz, I will change my moderation based on a sound argument. But if said argument is betrayed by action, it sort of removes the soundness of it all, and my moderation remains the same. Hence leaving most all of the monkey's posts untouched.
Additionally, while I do see the "damage", I also see the value, and in my opinion the value outweighs. The years go by quick, and every now and again, there is talk of parole. Many on the nuke list have had threads campaigning for their reinstatement. Many of these people are given a chance at it, typically based on their history. Say we binned the monkey at Bac79 and insta-nixxed every dupe after. Few if any would know of the tens of accounts made since, the outrageous claims, the depth of his instability. Then along comes a parole request, and "gee, the guy only made up a story about an accident and a fire, it's not that big a deal, bring him back". And since his instability would never have had the chance to manifest, he could theoretically be brought back in as a member in good standing.
Ace is gone, Axel and EB are big boys, so I let it stand. Dunno if it was "right", just explaining "why".
Quote: 1BBA few people here have all of the troublemaker's information. I don't suppose you would think it fair game if one were to start posting it in retaliation.
Hey, I get those feelings, too. But while I cannot control what individuals do, I would make an effort to not allow it to be done within these virtual walls. If Ace decided to pursue charges of cyber stalking or electronic terrorism, good for him. If 1BB decided to distribute said information to certain types within Dorchester, ain't nothing I can do about that. But anything done or attempted to be done here would be something I'd correct, and I assume every other mod and / or owner would do the same.
I get free speech. I really do. We're all adults here so why is the F-word prohibited? It's not a word that I use but many do and I'm not bothered by it. I think it says something about those who continually use it but it's just a word. It's a word that can be heard by turning on any TV. Is this a true free speech site?
Quote: 1BBIs this a true free speech site?
No, but it's not N. Korea either.
Quote: 1BBFrom the original Forum Rule 4: "When enough members have flagged a post as inappropriate, it will automatically be removed". Really? Are we to believe, even for a second, that "enough" members did not flag the post by hardon that started the thread now titled "Thread Title Removed", a thread started with the sole purpose of bashing, insulting and hurting forum members? A thread that went 44 posts and five pages with obvious ill intent. In my opinion, closing it is too little too late and solves nothing. I'm sure aceofspades is thrilled to see how we have his back. Sorry, ace.
The five fake ID posts have been up for 5 hours. If flagging worked they may have already disappeared. Other posts seem to have no problem disappearing and the posters get banned for life. There are ways to prevent this spam and there certainly are ways to deal with it post haste. Maybe these issues will be addressed when the forum undergoes it's inevitable overhaul.
Flagging doesn't work if everybody assumes that everybody else will flag the post, resulting in nobody (or not enough people) flagging the post. The code that handles flagging definitely works properly, so it's a participation issue.
Quote: JBFlagging doesn't work if everybody assumes that everybody else will flag the post, resulting in nobody (or not enough people) flagging the post. The code that handles flagging definitely works properly, so it's a participation issue.
Cool, the lesson of Glinda the good witch. You've had the power all along.
Quote: JBFlagging doesn't work if everybody assumes that everybody else will flag the post, resulting in nobody (or not enough people) flagging the post. The code that handles flagging definitely works properly, so it's a participation issue.
It's called the bystander effect. "Oh yeah, the other guy's got it." Meanwhile nothing happens. Didn't realize it happened online too.
Quote: rxwineNo, but it's not N. Korea either.
Thanks for the geography lesson. I've been seeing a lot of the Hyundai and Kia brands lately so I wasn't sure. Oh, they're made in South Korea.
Quote: JBFlagging doesn't work if everybody assumes that everybody else will flag the post, resulting in nobody (or not enough people) flagging the post. The code that handles flagging definitely works properly, so it's a participation issue.
Thank you, JB! That makes perfect sense.
Did you happen to go to Foxwoods over the holiday?
Quote: Dalex64Flagging works. I was the deciding vote recently - I flagged an item, and it disappeared.
Happened to me too. Not recently, though. A while ago.
Question: Does flagging do anything, like does something show up to the admins that a post was flagged by a member? One board I was an admin on, it would automatically create a new post on the mod forum, with a quote of the flagged post, and a comment made by the reporting member about why the post was flagged. Or does the flagging system just work behind the scenes?
Quote: Dalex64Flagging works. I was the deciding vote recently - I flagged an item, and it disappeared.
Thanks a lot, bud. That post took me twenty minutes!!! j/k
Quote: 1BB
I get free speech. I really do. We're all adults here so why is the F-word prohibited? It's not a word that I use but many do and I'm not bothered by it. I think it says something about those who continually use it but it's just a word. It's a word that can be heard by turning on any TV. Is this a true free speech site?
Sure it's a true free speech site, just like America 2015. You CAN post the F word or anything else you want to type including opinions of others. However there are consequences for it up to and including being banned from the site. Just like America, you can say you don't like (fill in your favorite group) or don't want () in your business. See how that works out for you business moving forward. But you did have the RIGHT to say what you believe, that has to be worth something.
But only YOU can change all that by buying the site or starting your own and running it your way. Many of us are still waiting for that day.
Quote: 1BBThanks for the geography lesson. I've been seeing a lot of the Hyundai and Kia brands lately so I wasn't sure. Oh, they're made in South Korea.
Hyundai's are made in Alabama. Kia's are made in Georgia.
It's the "American" cars that are built outside of the US (usually Mexico and Canada).
Quote: BozSure it's a true free speech site, just like America 2015. You CAN post the F word or anything else you want to type including opinions of others. However there are consequences for it up to and including being banned from the site. Just like America, you can say you don't like (fill in your favorite group) or don't want () in your business. See how that works out for you business moving forward. But you did have the RIGHT to say what you believe, that has to be worth something.
But only YOU can change all that by buying the site or starting your own and running it your way. Many of us are still waiting for that day.
Umm.......
The site is not a true free speech site, and it shouldn't be [to an extent]. The owners should have the right, which they do, to decide what is permitted and what is disallowed (is that even a word, disallowed?). And I'm OK with that.....even though I don't completely agree with all the rules (ie: which is why I don't b**** about the rules 24/7, *ahem*).
I think we should be able to swear more freely. I believe as it stands right now, swearing is not permitted except in certain situations, like you're telling a story or something and it isn't the same without the swear word. At least that's my interpretation.
And I think the way people are suspended is too lax. Or rather, the point at which someone is suspended is greater than where I think it should be. IE: Mods/rules are too lenient when it comes to suspending someone for trolling or harassment or whatever else people do.
Quote: HowManyHyundai's are made in Alabama. Kia's are made in Georgia.
It's the "American" cars that are built outside of the US (usually Mexico and Canada).
Thanks. Somewhere deep down inside I think I knew that. I know people who go to the dealer looking for cars made in Japan because they think they are better. If a Toyota's serial number started with the letter J, for example, it supposedly was made in Japan. They don't call them "rice burners" any more.
Quote: 1BBThanks. Somewhere deep down inside I think I knew that. I know people who go to the dealer looking for cars made in Japan because they think they are better. If a Toyota's serial number started with the letter J, for example, it supposedly was made in Japan. They don't call them "rice burners" any more.
Where is the the Porcshe Cayenne made?
I need me one of them, but outside my budget.
If they are made nearby, I might be able to scam one right off the assembly line ;-)
Quote: RSUmm.......
The site is not a true free speech site, and it shouldn't be [to an extent]. The owners should have the right, which they do, to decide what is permitted and what is disallowed (is that even a word, disallowed?). And I'm OK with that.....even though I don't completely agree with all the rules (ie: which is why I don't b**** about the rules 24/7, *ahem*).
I think we should be able to swear more freely. I believe as it stands right now, swearing is not permitted except in certain situations, like you're telling a story or something and it isn't the same without the swear word. At least that's my interpretation.
And I think the way people are suspended is too lax. Or rather, the point at which someone is suspended is greater than where I think it should be. IE: Mods/rules are too lenient when it comes to suspending someone for trolling or harassment or whatever else people do.
Would swearing help you to better present your points? You can always petition the new owners for that right. Maybe ask for a swearing section just like casinos have smoking sections.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLWhere is the the Porcshe Cayenne made?
I need me one of them, but outside my budget.
If they are made nearby, I might be able to scam one right off the assembly line ;-)
You can get it One Piece at a Time, but you'll need a visa. A Cayenne is just a fancy Toureg, so it's made in Slovakia with the rest of the VDubs. Finished in Germany, though, so you can nab one and wreck it on the Nurburgring post haste. 15 euros p/lap
Quote: 1BBQuote: RSUmm.......
The site is not a true free speech site, and it shouldn't be [to an extent]. The owners should have the right, which they do, to decide what is permitted and what is disallowed (is that even a word, disallowed?). And I'm OK with that.....even though I don't completely agree with all the rules (ie: which is why I don't b**** about the rules 24/7, *ahem*).
I think we should be able to swear more freely. I believe as it stands right now, swearing is not permitted except in certain situations, like you're telling a story or something and it isn't the same without the swear word. At least that's my interpretation.
And I think the way people are suspended is too lax. Or rather, the point at which someone is suspended is greater than where I think it should be. IE: Mods/rules are too lenient when it comes to suspending someone for trolling or harassment or whatever else people do.
Would swearing help you to better present your points? You can always petition the new owners for that right. Maybe ask for a swearing section just like casinos have smoking sections.
I wonder how many discussions you have had with the new owners? Just a guess but my history with do gooders is that if they don't get the response they are looking for when trying to solve the injustices of the world they usually elevate the complaint to the next highest person......and there are "changes coming".
Quote: BozQuote: 1BBQuote: RSUmm.......
The site is not a true free speech site, and it shouldn't be [to an extent]. The owners should have the right, which they do, to decide what is permitted and what is disallowed (is that even a word, disallowed?). And I'm OK with that.....even though I don't completely agree with all the rules (ie: which is why I don't b**** about the rules 24/7, *ahem*).
I think we should be able to swear more freely. I believe as it stands right now, swearing is not permitted except in certain situations, like you're telling a story or something and it isn't the same without the swear word. At least that's my interpretation.
And I think the way people are suspended is too lax. Or rather, the point at which someone is suspended is greater than where I think it should be. IE: Mods/rules are too lenient when it comes to suspending someone for trolling or harassment or whatever else people do.
Would swearing help you to better present your points? You can always petition the new owners for that right. Maybe ask for a swearing section just like casinos have smoking sections.
I wonder how many discussions you have had with the new owners? Just a guess but my history with do gooders is that if they don't get the response they are looking for when trying to solve the injustices of the world they usually elevate the complaint to the next highest person......and there are "changes coming".
That would be zero discussions, Boz. You've always given me extra special attention but I do want to be serious for a moment and clear the air on a few things that you continue to post.
You've made numerous references to me buying this site. For those who may read something into that I'd like to say that there is no truth to it. It's just Boz being Boz. The fact is I have never considered any such thing, I have never spoken to or in any way contacted the owners of this site, I have no knowledge of this site being for sale nor would I consider purchasing it if the opportunity arose.
Most of the members can see what you're doing, Boz, but this is for those who don't and for any new members that may mistake your banter for something else. Everyone reading this please take Boz's comments to me and about me with a grain of salt. Thanks.
I have never met you and don't know **t about you, but I know people I believe you are like. They are never happy with how things operate and want to fix all the injustice in the world. If it is starving kids in Africa, someone not carrying their weight at work or how they feel a forum should be run. But they are smart enough to slide right along with the rules, never breaking them but secretly wishing others do. Then they get joy in defending them to make themselves look like the good guy, just out there to make the world a better place for everyone. But when push comes to shove, they never are willing to step up and be the person in charge to make the decisions. They never have created a better job for someone, never made a sacrifice for those starving kids or never start a competing business to do a better job. Because that takes real courage and risk.
Know enough people, usually more than 5 and you will know someone like that. You may or may not be that type person. Maybe you are just putting your suggestions out there because you truly want to make this a better place for anyone and everyone and just looking to help get more traffic to the site to help the owners. An all around good guy.
And anyone reading this who agrees or disagrees, its just me being me, so take it with a grain of salt. Thanks!
Quote: 1BBThanks. Somewhere deep down inside I think I knew that. I know people who go to the dealer looking for cars made in Japan because they think they are better. If a Toyota's serial number started with the letter J, for example, it supposedly was made in Japan. They don't call them "rice burners" any more.
Being in the auto industry myself, you can tell a lot about a vehicle based upon the VIN. What country it was manufactured in, the make of the vehicle, the model, the year, what type of vehicle it is (SUV, truck sedan etc) and what plant it was manufactured at. The most common one in use by most people is the 10th digit which will tell you the year of the car and those go in 30 year cycles. A new cycle began in 2010. They will spend 20 years going through the alphabet but will not use letters like O or Z which can be confused for a 0 or 2. So 2010 vehicles have a "A" in the 10th digit, "B" for 2011 "C" for 2012 and so on as the new models have a "G" there. When they go through those 21 years using the alphabet, they will do 9 years of numbers, so 2031-2039 models (Like 2001-2009 models) Will go 1-9 corresponding for the last digit in the model year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_identification_number
Quote: BozThanks for speaking for me, it is greatly appreciated.
I have never met you and don't know **t about you, but I know people I believe you are like. They are never happy with how things operate and want to fix all the injustice in the world. If it is starving kids in Africa, someone not carrying their weight at work or how they feel a forum should be run. But they are smart enough to slide right along with the rules, never breaking them but secretly wishing others do. Then they get joy in defending them to make themselves look like the good guy, just out there to make the world a better place for everyone. But when push comes to shove, they never are willing to step up and be the person in charge to make the decisions. They never have created a better job for someone, never made a sacrifice for those starving kids or never start a competing business to do a better job. Because that takes real courage and risk.
Know enough people, usually more than 5 and you will know someone like that. You may or may not be that type person. Maybe you are just putting your suggestions out there because you truly want to make this a better place for anyone and everyone and just looking to help get more traffic to the site to help the owners. An all around good guy.
And anyone reading this who agrees or disagrees, its just me being me, so take it with a grain of salt. Thanks!
Mat I suggest meditation or yoga? Martial arts? Maybe just a few deep breaths?
Stay well, Boz. I wish you the best.
