Discussion III about the Suspension List
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I think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
Yes.
Quote: SOOPOOA person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group.
I think that is a fair definition.
I used to argue, perhaps erroneously, that ‘racism’ included benign mention of differences in races…. Blacks are more likely to suffer from hypertension. Whites are more likely to attend Princeton. Asians are more likely to succeed in Calculus classes. Hispanics are more likely to be MLB shortstops.
I now think that ‘racism’ has to include some negative connotation rather than just mentioning factual differences between races.
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I think you have to better define "antagonistic."
I would not date a black woman. Is that racist? Or is it no different than saying I would not date a woman over or under a certain age?
Many blacks voted for Obama because he is black. Does that make them racist?
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Many blacks voted for Obama because he is black. Does that make them racist?
I would say yes. Also, anyone who did not vote for him because he was black would also be racist.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: WizardQuote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
link to original postQuote: billryanHow loosely do you have to define it before you fit the description? I don't believe I'm racist and challenge you to the term loosely enough that I'll fit it.
I'm personally offended by your suggestion but I would love to know how you think of yourself as possibly racist if you loosen the definition a bit.
Making claims about everyone being racist is a poor attempt to normalize hate. Shame on you. You know better.
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I have turned myself in to the other active moderators for sentencing on this complaint. Perhaps I will answer the question at DT.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but you were not cut out to be a dictator.
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You say that as if it is a bad thing.
Quote: AZDuffman
I would not date a black woman. Is that racist?
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That depends on the reason why. Is it because you are not attracted to them or because you feel black women and white men should not copulate or mix together?
Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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Quote: billryanMaking claims about everyone being racist is a poor attempt to normalize hate. Shame on you. You know better.
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As mentioned before, I turned myself in to the other active moderators. One didn't respond and the other felt that issuing a warning to myself would suffice. However, there is a long-standing tradition that moderators are held to a higher standard. Despite the fact that there are many other posts in this discussion equal or worse than mine, I am suspending myself for one day per the higher standards precedent.
Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffman
I would not date a black woman. Is that racist?
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That depends on the reason why. Is it because you are not attracted to them or because you feel black women and white men should not copulate or mix together?
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I am not attracted to them. Some white guys famously are, Robert DiNero for one. I do not care who he dates.
Quote: WizardQuote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
link to original postQuote: billryanMaking claims about everyone being racist is a poor attempt to normalize hate. Shame on you. You know better.
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As mentioned before, I turned myself in to the other active moderators. One didn't respond and the other felt that issuing a warning to myself would suffice. However, there is a long-standing tradition that moderators are held to a higher standard. Despite the fact that there are many other posts in this discussion equal or worse than mine, I am suspending myself for one day per the higher standards precedent.
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You want we should put some money on your commissary?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffman
I would not date a black woman. Is that racist?
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That depends on the reason why. Is it because you are not attracted to them or because you feel black women and white men should not copulate or mix together?
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I am not attracted to them. Some white guys famously are, Robert DiNero for one. I do not care who he dates.
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I recently saw a montage of women Robert De Niro has dated and had relationships with. To say he's got a thing for black women as an understatement.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffman
I would not date a black woman. Is that racist?
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That depends on the reason why. Is it because you are not attracted to them or because you feel black women and white men should not copulate or mix together?
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I am not attracted to them. Some white guys famously are, Robert DiNero for one. I do not care who he dates.
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Well I won't date white women. I'm not attracted to them.
I'm closing this thread temporarily in hopes that it will sort itself out.
Friendly reminder that "DSL" threads are generally meant to discuss recent suspensions (and how blithely detached from normal reality your moderator team may be), not racism, spousal abuse, nor loaded questions.
Well, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: WizardQuote: Zcore13That's because most of your posts are nonsense.
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Three days.
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What for? He was criticizing the posts, not the poster.
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my posts are who i am
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Not according to the rules of the forum.
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Going as far as to say that most or all of someone's posts are nonsense, untrue, fictional, and so on, is definitely insulting.
Even saying that one of a person's posts is embarrassing, ridiculous, or so on, is insulting.
I believe the only acceptable (or certainly, best) way to do it here is to say simply that I don't believe that post.
Quote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying something a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: TigerWuQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: WizardQuote: Zcore13That's because most of your posts are nonsense.
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Three days.
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What for? He was criticizing the posts, not the poster.
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my posts are who i am
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Not according to the rules of the forum.
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Going as far as to say that most or all of someone's posts are nonsense, untrue, fictional, and so on, is definitely insulting.
Even saying that one of a person's posts is embarrassing, ridiculous, or so on, is insulting.
I believe the only acceptable (or certainly, best) way to do it here is to say simply that I don't believe that post.
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I find it insulting that anyone disagrees with me ever. Why would I post something stating it as fact if it isn’t true?
before I actually do this I would like to know if it's okay if I start a thread implying that in my past I have been one of the world's greatest sports bettors and one of the world's greatest horseplayers
I might just report my big wins and fail to report many of big losses just by accident - I wouldn't be intentionally trying to deceive anybody
also, I might stretch things just a little
for example - when I have won $50.00 - I might post that I actually won $50,000 - just to keep things interesting
I just wanna make sure that that's going to be 𝙊𝙆𝘼𝙔
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MDawgQuote: TigerWuQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: WizardQuote: Zcore13That's because most of your posts are nonsense.
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Three days.
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What for? He was criticizing the posts, not the poster.
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my posts are who i am
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Not according to the rules of the forum.
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Going as far as to say that most or all of someone's posts are nonsense, untrue, fictional, and so on, is definitely insulting.
Even saying that one of a person's posts is embarrassing, ridiculous, or so on, is insulting.
I believe the only acceptable (or certainly, best) way to do it here is to say simply that I don't believe that post.
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I find it insulting that anyone disagrees with me ever. Why would I post something stating it as fact if it isn’t true?
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You expect us to trust someone who does not like Buffalo Brew Pub??
Quote: lilredrooster.
before I actually do this I would like to know if it's okay if I start a thread implying that in my past I have been one of the world's greatest sports bettors and one of the world's greatest horseplayers
I might just report my big wins and fail to report many of big losses just by accident - I wouldn't be intentionally trying to deceive anybody
also, I might stretch things just a little
for example - when I have won $50.00 - I might post that I actually won $50,000 - just to keep things interesting
I just wanna make sure that that's going to be 𝙊𝙆𝘼𝙔
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No, it is not okay. Anyone who publicly announces a plan to deliberately and knowingly lie and misrepresent the truth on a grand scale within this forum simply to be provocative and then proceeds to execute that plan will be unwelcome in this forum.
If your intention was to satirize and mock MDawg's posts then IMO you have been unsuccessful because what you are actually revealing to some of us is that you are unaware of what MDawg does to achieve his results. I imagine that you think of yourself as the hero of your story, as the righteous judge of what is folly and what is truth in other people's posts. But you may wish to consider that it is possible that you don't know what you don't know because there are indeed some things that we cannot talk publicly about in this forum.
lilredrooster, I personally do enjoy your posts about sports, sports betting and other subjects, but this post above is not your finest moment, IMO.
okay, gordon888 re the above post - I accept your criticism as being valid
please delete my OP and your response if you feel that is appropriate
or just leave your critical response
I apologize for the post
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Quote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Silence from moderation.
Is a response allowed? Or does my sig say it all? Asking for a friend.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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You’ve been granted more leeway in this thread than just about anyone.
Take a seat.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Silence from moderation.
Is a response allowed? Or does my sig say it all? Asking for a friend.
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The thread was actually closed for less than 18 hours and reopened without fanfare.
If you would prefer less moderation in moderation, and a more "tough on crime" flavoured crackdown... (30 days in the hole for perceived impure thoughts? 90 days for actually saying 'heck' or 'darn!'?)
I don't know if 2 legs or 4 legs is better.
Quote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
THIS IS OFF TOPIC!
PLEASE SHUT-UP!
THANK YOU.
Quote: DieterQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Thread closed 5 days for hijacking.
Very first post when opened continues the hijacking.
Silence from moderation.
Is a response allowed? Or does my sig say it all? Asking for a friend.
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The thread was actually closed for less than 18 hours and reopened without fanfare.
If you would prefer less moderation in moderation, and a more "tough on crime" flavoured crackdown... (30 days in the hole for perceived impure thoughts? 90 days for actually saying 'heck' or 'darn!'?)
I don't know if 2 legs or 4 legs is better.
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Heck, it worked then because it took 5 days for a reply. But it is not about "less" or "more" moderation. It is about "consistent" moderation. While not suspension worthy, a person does what the thread was closed for and not even a "hey, Bo, you know better than that" ??????
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: DieterQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Thread closed 5 days for hijacking.
Very first post when opened continues the hijacking.
Silence from moderation.
Is a response allowed? Or does my sig say it all? Asking for a friend.
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The thread was actually closed for less than 18 hours and reopened without fanfare.
If you would prefer less moderation in moderation, and a more "tough on crime" flavoured crackdown... (30 days in the hole for perceived impure thoughts? 90 days for actually saying 'heck' or 'darn!'?)
I don't know if 2 legs or 4 legs is better.
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Heck, it worked then because it took 5 days for a reply. But it is not about "less" or "more" moderation. It is about "consistent" moderation. While not suspension worthy, a person does what the thread was closed for and not even a "hey, Bo, you know better than that" ??????
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Perfect consistency in moderation is not usually possible, as the posts we moderate differ.
Duplicate posts are shockingly easy to respond to consistently - it just doesn't come up that often. (When it does, it's often a no-foul technical glitch.)
I'll spare you my lame excuses for why I didn't "Bro, you know, or you should know, so no-no, you know?", but it's not based on who posted it.
Quote: unJonQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Did you mean to respond to me or Axelwolf? Because MY post was pointing out the flaw in HIS logic....
Quote: DieterQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Thread closed 5 days for hijacking.
Very first post when opened continues the hijacking.
Silence from moderation.
Is a response allowed? Or does my sig say it all? Asking for a friend.
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The thread was actually closed for less than 18 hours and reopened without fanfare.
If you would prefer less moderation in moderation, and a more "tough on crime" flavoured crackdown... (30 days in the hole for perceived impure thoughts? 90 days for actually saying 'heck' or 'darn!'?)
I don't know if 2 legs or 4 legs is better.
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Tie two birds together, and though they have four wings, still they cannot fly.
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Tie two birds together, and though they have four wings, still they cannot fly.
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They could fly if one was bigger than the other one and his wings were free.
Quote: lilredrooster.
okay, gordon888 re the above post - I accept your criticism as being valid
please delete my OP and your response if you feel that is appropriate
or just leave your critical response
I apologize for the post
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Peace.
And you are one of the very few people on this site who has ever apologized for anything, which is to your credit!
Mods probably said nothing about my post being off-topic because I *acknowledged* in my post that it was off-topic [but I did it anyway because I wanted to respond to what was said here]. And I wouldn't have been surprised if I'd been reprimanded, or disagreed with it. I've also been suspended on WoO more times than I can remember. And other forum members have often insulted me with impunity, with no consequences, despite my complaints, which is a factor in my falling out with the Wizard. In fact, other forum members have suggested that maybe the powers that be have been harder on me and more lenient on my abusers specifically to avoid perceived favoritism of me.Quote: AZDuffmanBut it is not about "less" or "more" moderation. It is about "consistent" moderation. While not suspension worthy, a person does what the thread was closed for and not even a "hey, Bo, you know better than that" ??????link to original post
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
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First of all, if you are active in this forum principally for the purpose of telling people that some X% of their posts are nonsense then we will be happy to suspend you for at least X% of the next 12 months. You may disagree with a specific post but I doubt that you have been reviewing every post that a person has ever made in order to develop a basis for a claim that 51% of their posts are nonsense; such a statement is gratuitous and presumably is made solely for the purpose of insulting a person.
You may not insult people. That is a rule.
May I suggest that you post statements with these intentions?:
1. Encourage someone
2. Praise someone
3. Thank someone
4. Articulate an idea
5. Inform others of your experiences or of information you have recently learned
But if you want to rant against someone and express your low opinion of them may I suggest X|Twitter? or Diversity Today? However, I do not suggest Wizard of Vegas.
Quote: MichaelBluejayMods probably said nothing about my post being off-topic because I *acknowledged* in my post that it was off-topic [but I did it anyway because I wanted to respond to what was said here]. And I wouldn't have been surprised if I'd been reprimanded, or disagreed with it. I've also been suspended on WoO more times than I can remember. And other forum members have often insulted me with impunity, with no consequences, despite my complaints, which is a factor in my falling out with the Wizard. In fact, other forum members have suggested that maybe the powers that be have been harder on me and more lenient on my abusers specifically to avoid perceived favoritism of me.Quote: AZDuffmanBut it is not about "less" or "more" moderation. It is about "consistent" moderation. While not suspension worthy, a person does what the thread was closed for and not even a "hey, Bo, you know better than that" ??????link to original post
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Many people are saying that, right? They just are afraid to say it in public for some reason.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Do you know the difference between prejudice, bigotry, and real racism?? The Wizard and you have blended those terms to actually obscure the different levels of hatred.
Your post is highly political, and responding in a proper way would garner a suspension, so I shall abstain.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Do you know the difference between prejudice, bigotry, and real racism?? The Wizard and you have blended those terms to actually obscure the different levels of hatred.
Your post is highly political, and responding in a proper way would garner a suspension, so I shall abstain.
tuttigym
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I think you have both made reasonable and thoughtful comments on an emotionally-charged subject, but we are asking again that you put the kibosh on posting about racism (and certainly not in the Suspension List thread!)
Quote: gordonm888Quote: tuttigymQuote: MichaelBluejayWell, I'm kind of with the Wizard on this one, though I'd say that being racist isn't a black/white, yes/no kind of thing, it's more like a spectrum, with the KKK on one end, zero racism on the other, and a lot of subconscious racism in the middle. As an example, I've never hesitated to acknowledge that systemic racism is a real thing, and I've got a Black Lives Matter sign in my yard, but have I ever had racist thoughts? Yeah, probably.Quote: WizardI think we're all racist, if we use a loose definition of the word.
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P.S. Sorry for hijacking, but I'm just an outlaw like that.
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Do you know the difference between prejudice, bigotry, and real racism?? The Wizard and you have blended those terms to actually obscure the different levels of hatred.
Your post is highly political, and responding in a proper way would garner a suspension, so I shall abstain.
tuttigym
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I think you have both made reasonable and thoughtful comments on an emotionally-charged subject, but we are asking again that you put the kibosh on posting about racism (and certainly not in the Suspension List thread!)
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Done
tuttigym
Quote: gordonm888Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
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First of all, if you are active in this forum principally for the purpose of telling people that some X% of their posts are nonsense then we will be happy to suspend you for at least X% of the next 12 months. You may disagree with a specific post but I doubt that you have been reviewing every post that a person has ever made in order to develop a basis for a claim that 51% of their posts are nonsense; such a statement is gratuitous and presumably is made solely for the purpose of insulting a person.
You may not insult people. That is a rule.
May I suggest that you post statements with these intentions?:
1. Encourage someone
2. Praise someone
3. Thank someone
4. Articulate an idea
5. Inform others of your experiences or of information you have recently learned
But if you want to rant against someone and express your low opinion of them may I suggest X|Twitter? or Diversity Today? However, I do not suggest Wizard of Vegas.
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I feel like people keep quoting me and responding to my comments without even understanding what I am saying...
The post said "Gordon enforces with the hand of a Tyrant."
Now I can see a mod wanting to step in to "protect" another mod, but seriously, where is the insult here?
Rainman seemed bo be making a fair comment, that in his opinion Gordon's zeal is excessive: he just worded it differently.
Being described as a tyrant is not on its face insulting, is it?
If so, would it be insulting to claim the opposite, that the enforcement is fair and even-handed?
Quote: MrVDieter suspended Rainman for three days for "insult."
The post said "Gordon enforces with the hand of a Tyrant."
Now I can see a mod wanting to step in to "protect" another mod, but seriously, where is the insult here?
Rainman seemed bo be making a fair comment, that in his opinion Gordon's zeal is excessive: he just worded it differently.
Being described as a tyrant is not on its face insulting, is it?
If so, would it be insulting to claim the opposite, that the enforcement is fair and even-handed?
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This is fair critique of my actions.
My quick reference search for the definition of a tyrant is a "cruel and oppressive ruler".
Maybe I'm missing the signs of cruelty and oppression.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
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Or what about calling out each post that looks, smells and sounds like nonsense, individually?
Saying that a post any item is nonsense any description, is to express an opinion, and not an irrefutable fact. Me saying "xxx post in nonsense" is equivalent to "It's my opinion that xxx post in nonsense", the "It's my opinion" bit can go without saying. Should we be penalised under the insult rules for expressing an opinion? especially when it's about a post, not a poster?
That should be fine, as you are talking about the content of the post. This post is BS vs. you are full of BS is 2 different things. BS should be called out, especially when it defies math and logic. What's good is this forum if people can just sit around and sling their betting systems and fabricated always-winning BS?Quote: OnceDearQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. Saying most of your posts are nonsense is criticizing the person.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be suspended. I'm sure I'm guilty of the same while going back and forth with a few members. However, in this case, it seemed to be an out-of-the-blue personal attack for no reason.
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So what's the cutoff?
If saying "one" post is nonsense is fine, but "most" posts are nonsense is not, what is the limit?
Can I say "the minority of your posts are nonsense" and get away with it?
Or "50% of your posts are nonsense" and be fine? Is saying 51% of your posts are nonsense crossing the line?
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Or what about calling out each post that looks, smells and sounds like nonsense, individually?
Saying that a post any item is nonsense any description, is to express an opinion, and not an irrefutable fact. Me saying "xxx post in nonsense" is equivalent to "It's my opinion that xxx post in nonsense", the "It's my opinion" bit can go without saying. Should we be penalised under the insult rules for expressing an opinion? especially when it's about a post, not a poster?
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It's full of Baloney! With a slice of Salami.
Quote: AxelWolfI disagree, saying a particular post or something in a post is nonsense, is criticizing the post. ...
That should be fine, as you are talking about the content of the post. This post is BS vs. you are full of BS is 2 different things. BS should be called out, especially when it defies math and logic. What's good is this forum if people can just sit around and sling their betting systems and fabricated always-winning BS?
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I mostly agree with AW that we should not only have the right to call out BS, but that we should be actively encouraged to do so. However, with my ex WMOAT hat on I can see that the description of BS is less courteous than describing as nonsense. There's also a certain discourtesy in spouting such nonsense with such frequency.
So.... Let's see if censorship here favours the courtesy towards the poster of nonsense over those calling him out?
I'm not sure the balance is right.
I think a moderator's job is to enforce existing rules, not create new ones when something displeases them.
The race to the bottom continues.
Quote: billryanDo moderators now get to make up new rules?
I think a moderator's job is to enforce existing rules, not create new ones when something displeases them.
The race to the bottom continues.
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If you're talking about the thread with EB's name in the title, it seems like it could be a very loose application of this rule:
Quote:No bullying/trolling: Members are expected to act like ladies and gentlemen. Members may not be overly divisive or abusive to another member. This includes starting a thread only the for purpose of attacking another member. (Added 2/24/2012). This also includes threats against another member. (added 9/3/12) If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling. (Added 2/2/22)
Like I said, VERY loose application, and I'm not saying I agree with it one way or the other.
