Discussion III about the Suspension List
January 30th, 2022 at 9:40:26 AM
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Jail break!
Someone let KewlJ out of WOV jail by mistake.
VERY FIRST POST HE MAKES violates the April 2021 TRUCE, by commenting on content from the Adv of MDawg thread:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36881-shufflemaster/2/#post839660
He is quoting this post
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/8/#post839652
MarcusClark made in the Adv of MDawg thread. KewlJ is not allowed to comment on content from that thread by terms of the April 2021 Truce.
Seriously, it's like KewlJ is trying his best to thumb his nose at WOV.
Someone let KewlJ out of WOV jail by mistake.
VERY FIRST POST HE MAKES violates the April 2021 TRUCE, by commenting on content from the Adv of MDawg thread:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36881-shufflemaster/2/#post839660
He is quoting this post
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/8/#post839652
MarcusClark made in the Adv of MDawg thread. KewlJ is not allowed to comment on content from that thread by terms of the April 2021 Truce.
Seriously, it's like KewlJ is trying his best to thumb his nose at WOV.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
January 30th, 2022 at 9:42:30 AM
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The discussion I commented on was started in the shufflemaster thread. YOU moved it to another thread that I could not respond. I moved it back so I could.
Serious question for you: If your claims are true, why do you fight so hard to have people that challenge and question the claims silenced? The truth can always withstand a little scrutiny. Only BS need be covered up and protected such as you do.
You claim to be a lawyer. Isn't the law really about getting to the truth, before it became perverted?
Serious question for you: If your claims are true, why do you fight so hard to have people that challenge and question the claims silenced? The truth can always withstand a little scrutiny. Only BS need be covered up and protected such as you do.
You claim to be a lawyer. Isn't the law really about getting to the truth, before it became perverted?
January 30th, 2022 at 9:53:10 AM
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IMO. KewlJ you quoted the portion of my post that had to do with BACCARAT and it was in the Adventures of MDawg thread. Plus you made a sort of sly insulting slight to me and to MDawg about winning at will. I don't know what you are supposed to do or not supposed to do but please do not use me as an excuse to violate the Truce you have agreed to.
Also it seems like you are back to saying negative things about MDawg that have to do with his claims in the Adventures of MDawg thread, which ALSO I think violates your Truce.
Please respect The Wizard as well as the forum itself. Which to myself you are verbally not doing.
Also it seems like you are back to saying negative things about MDawg that have to do with his claims in the Adventures of MDawg thread, which ALSO I think violates your Truce.
Please respect The Wizard as well as the forum itself. Which to myself you are verbally not doing.
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January 30th, 2022 at 10:01:45 AM
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Quote: Marcusclark66
Please respect The Wizard as well as the forum itself.
Back at you. This forum when started was based on math and reality. Throughout the history of this forum any person coming here and spouting nonsense, like winning by martingale for example, or claims of long term winning playing -EV received appropriate pushback.
This forum was also very aggressive in outlawing the use of sock puppets. I don't know if the moderators now here are not up to that challenge or what but other forums are able to identify sockpuppets even around VPN's. There is a reason sockpuppets aren't allowed. It isn't all fun and games like when tasha/nathan or buzz creates sockpuppets. People with an agenda to mislead other members use sockpuppets as credibility when there are no real members that support them to give real credibility to.
Is that what is should come to....everyone creating sockpuppets? I can do that.
January 30th, 2022 at 10:12:07 AM
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Quote: kewljQuote: Marcusclark66
Please respect The Wizard as well as the forum itself.
Back at you. This forum when started was based on math and reality. Throughout the history of this forum any person coming here and spouting nonsense, like winning by martingale for example, or claims of long term winning playing -EV received appropriate pushback.
This forum was also very aggressive in outlawing the use of sock puppets. I don't know if the moderators now here are not up to that challenge or what but other forums are able to identify sockpuppets even around VPN's. There is a reason sockpuppets aren't allowed. It isn't all fun and games like when tasha/nathan or buzz creates sockpuppets. People with an agenda to mislead other members use sockpuppets as credibility when there are no real members that support them to give real credibility to.
Is that what is should come to....everyone creating sockpuppets? I can do that.
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Fine. Great. So what? Not my agenda. I am not a sock of anyone here nor am I am any other forum spurting anything else whatsoever.
I am real, I am in the casino industry and I am a casino player as well. I post the truth as I have lived it or witnessed it. Period.
There are numerous accusations by yourself as to me being a sock as well as falsehoods I have posted, along with innuendos that you post towards myself that are unfair, untrue and just plain unprofessional.
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January 30th, 2022 at 10:22:01 AM
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Quote: Marcusclark66
and just plain unprofessional.
Unprofessional ??
I think it is pretty damn unprofessional for you to come on this forum worshipping a member making claims that defy math and reality. Saying things like he has taught you how to win and calling him the greatest ever.
If he is the greatest even that can win at will....and this is really what this is all about....then how about he unmuzzle wizard and allow Wizard to say what he thinks. Again, the truth does not need to be hid and covered up, only non truth does.
Math is the low bar on claims. people can claim whatever they want as long as the math works. I will never say anything, despite what I may believe. But when claims fail to meet or worse yet defy the low bar of math, then the obligation falls on the claimant to prove something.
January 30th, 2022 at 10:31:09 AM
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We are coming up on a year now of these math defying claims. And reality defying claims. A YEAR!
With the exception of 2 weeks that the person returned to California, He claims he has lived in high end suites in one of the highest end casinos on the strip for a solid year. ALL while winning huge amounts. THAT is not the way Las Vegas or the casino industry works. People can claim that kind of nonsense on some of these voodoo forums. I object to it at WoV, which is supposed to be based on math and reality of gambling and Las Vegas
A year!!!!! It is time, long past to get back to reality.
I am tired of people, people in authority of this forum telling me that I am 100% right, but I can't say that. If telling the truth violates forum rules then it is the rules that need to be changed. This isn't the fiction section of the library. This is WOV, a forum supposed to be based in math and Gambling/Las Vegas reality.
With the exception of 2 weeks that the person returned to California, He claims he has lived in high end suites in one of the highest end casinos on the strip for a solid year. ALL while winning huge amounts. THAT is not the way Las Vegas or the casino industry works. People can claim that kind of nonsense on some of these voodoo forums. I object to it at WoV, which is supposed to be based on math and reality of gambling and Las Vegas
A year!!!!! It is time, long past to get back to reality.
I am tired of people, people in authority of this forum telling me that I am 100% right, but I can't say that. If telling the truth violates forum rules then it is the rules that need to be changed. This isn't the fiction section of the library. This is WOV, a forum supposed to be based in math and Gambling/Las Vegas reality.
January 30th, 2022 at 10:33:35 AM
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I think MDawg is marking a golden path for easy living in the high rollers suites, and I'd like to hear more, especially with eviction moratoriums ending and all that.
January 30th, 2022 at 10:36:21 AM
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Quote: kewljQuote: Marcusclark66
and just plain unprofessional.
Unprofessional ??
I think it is pretty damn unprofessional for you to come on this forum worshipping a member making claims that defy math and reality. Saying things like he has taught you how to win and calling him the greatest ever.
If he is the greatest even that can win at will....and this is really what this is all about....then how about he unmuzzle wizard and allow Wizard to say what he thinks. Again, the truth does not need to be hid and covered up, only non truth does.
Math is the low bar on claims. people can claim whatever they want as long as the math works. I will never say anything, despite what I may believe. But when claims fail to meet or worse yet defy the low bar of math, then the obligation falls on the claimant to prove something.
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Quite possibly my understanding as well as the interpretation of the word unprofessional, might be very different than yours.
For example when I restrain and hold someone for arrest by law enforcement of jurisdiction or the state gaming board investigators, I have to still respect and not violate that persons rights, liberties and applicable legal amendments that person has no matter what I think or choose to believe he/she should have.
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January 30th, 2022 at 10:43:56 AM
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my point of view is nobody should be allowed to claim endless winnings dozens of times in a row or with very, very few losses in between of pretty huge $ without explaining themselves
either saying it was a fantastic run of luck ( although luck almost never happens in the kinds of ways posted here) or explaining what their method was and having that method soundly challenged
it's ridiculous
what's the big secret?___________card counting is a way to win and it's no secret - you can out find anything you want to know about it. lots of the machine APs give out methods of gaining an advantage - they don't keep all of the secrets to themselves - the Wizard himself has revealed all kinds of ways to milk promos and bonuses by getting the best out of machines
posting that you have "a secret sauce" and you can't reveal it because you want just yourself to know about it__________?
naaaaaah_______________that dog won't hunt
actually, it's really kinna pathetic when you think about it
this is gambling - this is not a field where a person is wise to take someone at their word when $$$$$ are involved - a person needs to pony up a really sound explanation or get the hell out of Dodge - as they used to say in "Gunsmoke" - we don't need your kind around here
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my point of view is nobody should be allowed to claim endless winnings dozens of times in a row or with very, very few losses in between of pretty huge $ without explaining themselves
either saying it was a fantastic run of luck ( although luck almost never happens in the kinds of ways posted here) or explaining what their method was and having that method soundly challenged
it's ridiculous
what's the big secret?___________card counting is a way to win and it's no secret - you can out find anything you want to know about it. lots of the machine APs give out methods of gaining an advantage - they don't keep all of the secrets to themselves - the Wizard himself has revealed all kinds of ways to milk promos and bonuses by getting the best out of machines
posting that you have "a secret sauce" and you can't reveal it because you want just yourself to know about it__________?
naaaaaah_______________that dog won't hunt
actually, it's really kinna pathetic when you think about it
this is gambling - this is not a field where a person is wise to take someone at their word when $$$$$ are involved - a person needs to pony up a really sound explanation or get the hell out of Dodge - as they used to say in "Gunsmoke" - we don't need your kind around here
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January 30th, 2022 at 10:52:44 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster______________
my point of view is nobody should be allowed to claim endless winnings dozens of times in a row or with very, very few losses in between of pretty huge $ without explaining themselves
either saying it was a fantastic run of luck ( although luck almost never happens in the kinds of ways posted here) or explaining what their method was and having that method soundly challenged
it's ridiculous
what's the big secret?___________card counting is a way to win and it's no secret - you can out find anything you want to know about it. lots of the machine APs give out methods of gaining an advantage - they don't keep all of the secrets to themselves - the Wizard himself has revealed all kinds of ways to milk promos and bonuses by getting the best out of machines
posting that you have "a secret sauce" and you can't reveal it because you want just yourself to know about it__________?
naaaaaah_______________that dog won't hunt
actually, it's really kinna pathetic when you think about it
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If there was actually some "secret sauce" meaning the claimant has discovered the Holy Grail, to Bacarrat (and of late other casino games) winning, that mathematician had overlooked for centuries, then of course he would be within his right to withhold such secrets. But that is not what happened here. We KNOW that is not what has happened because Wizard on 2 occasions told us what he thought, until he was reminded that he had agreed not to say anything via a NDA.
Again, anytime you are preventing the truth from coming out. Well, I don't even need to continue.
January 30th, 2022 at 10:59:10 AM
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I will also say this. After 7 months of claims of winning nearly every day, claiming winnings of half million dollars, there was a one line statement posted at the bottom of a post that read " Wizard and I went over my records and I am about even for this trip".
That is what you call sweeping something under the rug. 7 months of winning claims disappeared with those few words. There should have been a penalty for that. A penalty for lying and misleading for 7 months. Instead almost the next day, a new chapter of ridiculous claims started and has continued until this day. I suppose at some point Wizard will examine the records and we will again get a one line statement telling us he is REALLY ABOUT EVEN.
I want to be clear. I object to the misrepresentation and claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas and the casino industry works. When I raise such concerns and objections, it is never personal. When someone goes as far as to try to harm my career, it becomes personal, but it never starts out personal. I enjoy a good "story". I love to hear about gambling stories and trip reports. I like to read about almost any player that wins, because I am a bit anti-casino. I love to read about higher end players that get extraordinary comps because they win AND LOSE. And if someone is winning by way of advantage play, I am interested in anything they want to share. But years long stories of magically winning vs -EV play and living in a highend suite on the strip on top of it..... FOR ALMOST A SOLID YEAR... is just not right. That is 18 y.o. in a row stuff and should be called out every step of the way. (no offense Alan).
That is what you call sweeping something under the rug. 7 months of winning claims disappeared with those few words. There should have been a penalty for that. A penalty for lying and misleading for 7 months. Instead almost the next day, a new chapter of ridiculous claims started and has continued until this day. I suppose at some point Wizard will examine the records and we will again get a one line statement telling us he is REALLY ABOUT EVEN.
I want to be clear. I object to the misrepresentation and claims that defy math and the way Las Vegas and the casino industry works. When I raise such concerns and objections, it is never personal. When someone goes as far as to try to harm my career, it becomes personal, but it never starts out personal. I enjoy a good "story". I love to hear about gambling stories and trip reports. I like to read about almost any player that wins, because I am a bit anti-casino. I love to read about higher end players that get extraordinary comps because they win AND LOSE. And if someone is winning by way of advantage play, I am interested in anything they want to share. But years long stories of magically winning vs -EV play and living in a highend suite on the strip on top of it..... FOR ALMOST A SOLID YEAR... is just not right. That is 18 y.o. in a row stuff and should be called out every step of the way. (no offense Alan).
January 30th, 2022 at 11:03:04 AM
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Quote: kewlj______________
he had agreed not to say anything via a NDA.
an NDA (non disclosure agreement) re this garbage_____________?
now we're straying into the comedic realm - something you might see George and Kramer demanding of Jerry in a Seinfeld episode in Atlantic City
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January 30th, 2022 at 11:03:41 AM
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Quote: kewljWell, I don't even need to continue.
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No KJ. You really don't.
I don't know who unsuspended you, or why, but all I see is that two people were instructed by Wizard not to address eachother. That is regardless of any prior instructions or agreement.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/276/#post839359
Quote: wizardMdawg & kewlj -- no more posts to each other. They in violation of the rule against bringing drama from other forums. Consider this a warning. There is a private message feature to this site for a reason.
I see that they ARE still addressing eachother.
I respectfully request that KJ and MDawg abide by that instruction unless and until Wizard publicly revokes it. And frankly what has been agreed in private is none of my concern.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
January 30th, 2022 at 11:11:50 AM
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I will honor that request Oncedear. I have had my say. But I do publicly request that it is time for this whole situation to be revisited and re-thought. A solid year!
January 30th, 2022 at 11:27:43 AM
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I also don't know who unsuspended kewlj.
I tend to be the "Good Cop" among the moderators, perpetually exhorting the moderator team to see what is good in each forum member and to treat members like they are adults rather than juveniles. I try to factor in that sometimes good people have bad days. But, personally I have lost patience with both kewlj and Mdawg.
Both Mdawg and kewlj are advised to immediately stop pleading to the moderators and venting their animus toward each other in posts; you will only make a bad situation worse. You will hear more from the moderator team(including Wizard) after decisions are made.
I tend to be the "Good Cop" among the moderators, perpetually exhorting the moderator team to see what is good in each forum member and to treat members like they are adults rather than juveniles. I try to factor in that sometimes good people have bad days. But, personally I have lost patience with both kewlj and Mdawg.
Both Mdawg and kewlj are advised to immediately stop pleading to the moderators and venting their animus toward each other in posts; you will only make a bad situation worse. You will hear more from the moderator team(including Wizard) after decisions are made.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
January 30th, 2022 at 11:31:51 AM
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I would like to say one more thing.
WOW. So a guy who makes a post last night that earns him a serious suspension insulting the Wizard and MDawg and breaking all sorts of rules and is now coming in here and trying to DICTATE that things should change? That sounds crazy to me. People are free to post what they like and that it gets under KewlJ's skin should not matter to the rest of the world even though it seems that KewlJ thinks that what he cares about should be what all the rest of the world should care about. If you don't like something, as the Wizard has said, just don't read it. IMHO we don't need the KewlJ's of the world or anyone else to tell us what to think or read. We can and should decide on our own.
here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/36338-discussion-iii-about-the-suspension-list/14/#post839683
WOW. So a guy who makes a post last night that earns him a serious suspension insulting the Wizard and MDawg and breaking all sorts of rules and is now coming in here and trying to DICTATE that things should change? That sounds crazy to me. People are free to post what they like and that it gets under KewlJ's skin should not matter to the rest of the world even though it seems that KewlJ thinks that what he cares about should be what all the rest of the world should care about. If you don't like something, as the Wizard has said, just don't read it. IMHO we don't need the KewlJ's of the world or anyone else to tell us what to think or read. We can and should decide on our own.
here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/36338-discussion-iii-about-the-suspension-list/14/#post839683
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January 30th, 2022 at 11:36:03 AM
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If you don't feed someone. They will eventually die of starvation.
January 30th, 2022 at 12:31:45 PM
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Quote: Marcusclark66I would like to say one more thing.
WOW. So a guy who makes a post last night that earns him a serious suspension insulting the Wizard and MDawg and breaking all sorts of rules and is now coming in here and trying to DICTATE that things should change?
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One night in the hoosegow is hardly a serious suspension.
May the cards fall in your favor.
January 30th, 2022 at 12:35:55 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: Marcusclark66I would like to say one more thing.
WOW. So a guy who makes a post last night that earns him a serious suspension insulting the Wizard and MDawg and breaking all sorts of rules and is now coming in here and trying to DICTATE that things should change?
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One night in the hoosegow is hardly a serious suspension.
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I do have serious respect for yourself and your peers.
I certainly hope I interpret your ‘one night’ statement the correct way.
Thank you for following through on this.
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January 30th, 2022 at 1:32:21 PM
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I find it endlessly amusing how emotional people get over Internet forums. I guess I’m in the dying minority. Sure it will only be worse for my kids.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
January 30th, 2022 at 1:40:24 PM
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Quote: Marcusclark66I
WOW. trying to DICTATE that things should change?
calm down
take a big ole chill pill
you have nothing to worry about
nothing is going to change
you and your good buddy can still post about your big wins umpteen times in a row without providing any proof or explanation
no problem
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January 30th, 2022 at 2:28:14 PM
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Quote: lilredroosteryou and your good buddy can still post about your big wins umpteen times in a row without providing any proof or explanation
What proof could they provide that would convince you of their wins?
January 30th, 2022 at 2:31:22 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: Marcusclark66I would like to say one more thing.
WOW. So a guy who makes a post last night that earns him a serious suspension insulting the Wizard and MDawg and breaking all sorts of rules and is now coming in here and trying to DICTATE that things should change?
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One night in the hoosegow is hardly a serious suspension.
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My thanks and admiration. Especially when you do not receive compensation.
Thumbs up.
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January 30th, 2022 at 6:14:28 PM
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I would have to side with a lengthier suspension for Kewlj than MDawg.
Just my 2.5 cents
Just my 2.5 cents
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January 30th, 2022 at 6:16:40 PM
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Let them eat cake.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
January 30th, 2022 at 6:19:14 PM
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Quote: Marcusclark66I would have to side with a lengthier suspension for Kewlj than MDawg.
Just my 2.5 cents
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We never would have guessed!
January 30th, 2022 at 8:00:41 PM
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didnt Mdawg start this recent bickering with Kewlj in this thread?Quote: Marcusclark66I would have to side with a lengthier suspension for Kewlj than MDawg.
Just my 2.5 cents
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/36338-discussion-iii-about-the-suspension-list/13/#post839659
or it started in some other thread and Mdawg brought it over here?
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Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
January 31st, 2022 at 3:49:08 AM
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Quote: MDawg
I was suspended from this forum for up to months at a time in the past
how horrible that must have been for you -
𝑴𝑶𝑵𝑻𝑯𝑺 in which you could not show pics of your luxury purchases
and which you could not tell your truths about how you have 𝙖𝙗𝙨𝙤𝙡𝙪𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙘𝙧𝙪𝙨𝙝𝙚𝙙 𝙘𝙖𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙤𝙨 while they award you comps of very high value just about every week
your burden was so very heavy - almost more than a person could bear
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
January 31st, 2022 at 8:50:21 AM
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I dunno roost. The person looking like a winner is Norm.
January 31st, 2022 at 12:27:13 PM
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Quote: lilredroosteryou and your good buddy can still post about your big wins umpteen times in a row without providing any proof or lanation
no problem
Yes, here on "Fantasy Island" mgt. endeavors to give strangers a platform where they can visualize and actualize their wildest dreams coming true.
Set down your cares and troubles before you log on, as this is the site where dreams come true ... well they don't, not really, but you can tell others they do with both impunity and a straight face.
What is reality?
"What, me worry?"
January 31st, 2022 at 2:33:26 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: lilredroosteryou and your good buddy can still post about your big wins umpteen times in a row without providing any proof or lanation
no problem
Yes, here on "Fantasy Island" mgt. endeavors to give strangers a platform where they can visualize and actualize their wildest dreams coming true.
Set down your cares and troubles before you log on, as this is the site where dreams come true ... well they don't, not really, but you can tell others they do with both impunity and a straight face.
What is reality?
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Reality is where people who can't handle their drugs go to die. It's just east of the cornfield.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
February 2nd, 2022 at 7:19:46 AM
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Apologies if I missed it due to not reading every thread anymore, but does anyone know why MarcusClark is red? I don't see anything on the list.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
February 2nd, 2022 at 7:41:33 AM
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Quote: Mission146Apologies if I missed it due to not reading every thread anymore, but does anyone know why MarcusClark is red? I don't see anything on the list.
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To be announced shortly.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 9:13:46 AM
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Quote: OnceDearQuote: Mission146Apologies if I missed it due to not reading every thread anymore, but does anyone know why MarcusClark is red? I don't see anything on the list.
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To be announced shortly.
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Such suspense!
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
February 2nd, 2022 at 9:23:37 AM
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Quote: unJonQuote: OnceDearQuote: Mission146Apologies if I missed it due to not reading every thread anymore, but does anyone know why MarcusClark is red? I don't see anything on the list.
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To be announced shortly.
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Such suspense!
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I see what you did there.
May the cards fall in your favor.
February 2nd, 2022 at 9:25:50 AM
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Groan. That couldn't be deliberateQuote: DieterQuote: unJonSuch suspense!
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I see what you did there.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 9:40:14 AM
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An investigation has shown this 1/1/22 post, by Marcusclark66, was not truthful. The implausibility of the photo compared with the story was called into question in subsequent posts. In spite of the challenges, Marcus stuck to his story. Meanwhile, an investigation showed the table in the photo was a new format of baccarat. The only casino to offer this table had it at a $400 maximum bet, much less than the $10,000 Marcus’ wife was allegedly betting per hand.
I privately gave Marcus a chance to defend himself when presented with the evidence about the game. He had a response, but it was directed to my eyes only, so I’m not allowed to share it. However, I will say I found his explanation unsatisfactory.
At this point, let me clarify forum policy on lying. There is no rule against making false statements, especially if the claimant believes a statement to be true, but is simply in error. A perfect example would be Alan’s 18 yo’s in a row. That clearly didn’t happen, but I give Alan the benefit of the doubt that he simply miscounted or misremembered the event.
There is not even a policy against outright deliberate lying. If there were, moderators would be asked to launch investigations all the time about the truthfulness of posts. We are not going to take on that responsibility. However, we still reserve the right to.
If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling. I allege this to be the case with Marcus' posts since he started the I have learned a lot here and am ready to play thread. I'm not saying every post was untruthful, but to consistently win at baccarat straight up since June does not pass the reasonable doubt test.
Going forward, in the tradeoff between free speech and truthful information, I plan to bend a bit in favor of truthful information. I will grant immunity to all posts prior to 2/2/22, so please don't request reconsiderations of other members. Thank you.
In closing, not every moderator agrees with my action on Marcus. That said, I will take any heat for it alone.
In closing, I wish Marcus well, elsewhere.
I privately gave Marcus a chance to defend himself when presented with the evidence about the game. He had a response, but it was directed to my eyes only, so I’m not allowed to share it. However, I will say I found his explanation unsatisfactory.
At this point, let me clarify forum policy on lying. There is no rule against making false statements, especially if the claimant believes a statement to be true, but is simply in error. A perfect example would be Alan’s 18 yo’s in a row. That clearly didn’t happen, but I give Alan the benefit of the doubt that he simply miscounted or misremembered the event.
There is not even a policy against outright deliberate lying. If there were, moderators would be asked to launch investigations all the time about the truthfulness of posts. We are not going to take on that responsibility. However, we still reserve the right to.
If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling. I allege this to be the case with Marcus' posts since he started the I have learned a lot here and am ready to play thread. I'm not saying every post was untruthful, but to consistently win at baccarat straight up since June does not pass the reasonable doubt test.
Going forward, in the tradeoff between free speech and truthful information, I plan to bend a bit in favor of truthful information. I will grant immunity to all posts prior to 2/2/22, so please don't request reconsiderations of other members. Thank you.
In closing, not every moderator agrees with my action on Marcus. That said, I will take any heat for it alone.
In closing, I wish Marcus well, elsewhere.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 2nd, 2022 at 10:19:04 AM
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Quote: Wizard
Going forward, in the tradeoff between free speech and truthful information, I plan to bend a bit in favor of truthful information.
In closing, not every moderator agrees with my action on Marcus. That said, I will take any heat for it alone.
Heat? I think you will get accolades instead!
I am very happy you have decided to err on the side of truthful information over free speech!
February 2nd, 2022 at 10:30:06 AM
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Long before he was nailed to a cathedral and forced to eat a diet of worms, Martin Luther King said the arc of the moral universe is long but curves towards justice.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
February 2nd, 2022 at 11:46:08 AM
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Quote: WizardAn investigation has shown this 1/1/22 post, by Marcusclark66, was not truthful. The implausibility of the photo compared with the story was called into question in subsequent posts. In spite of the challenges, Marcus stuck to his story. Meanwhile, an investigation showed the table in the photo was a new format of baccarat. The only casino to offer this table had it at a $400 maximum bet, much less than the $10,000 Marcus’ wife was allegedly betting per hand.
I privately gave Marcus a chance to defend himself when presented with the evidence about the game. He had a response, but it was directed to my eyes only, so I’m not allowed to share it. However, I will say I found his explanation unsatisfactory.
At this point, let me clarify forum policy on lying. There is no rule against making false statements, especially if the claimant believes a statement to be true, but is simply in error. A perfect example would be Alan’s 18 yo’s in a row. That clearly didn’t happen, but I give Alan the benefit of the doubt that he simply miscounted or misremembered the event.
There is not even a policy against outright deliberate lying. If there were, moderators would be asked to launch investigations all the time about the truthfulness of posts. We are not going to take on that responsibility. However, we still reserve the right to.
If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling. I allege this to be the case with Marcus' posts since he started the I have learned a lot here and am ready to play thread. I'm not saying every post was untruthful, but to consistently win at baccarat straight up since June does not pass the reasonable doubt test.
Going forward, in the tradeoff between free speech and truthful information, I plan to bend a bit in favor of truthful information. I will grant immunity to all posts prior to 2/2/22, so please don't request reconsiderations of other members. Thank you.
In closing, not every moderator agrees with my action on Marcus. That said, I will take any heat for it alone.
In closing, I wish Marcus well, elsewhere.
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"The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine"
I also wish Marcus well. I thank him for his polite contributions here. If many of his posts were true, then he can go laughing all the way to the bank, safe in the knowledge that he has something that we don't.
I thank Wizard for this clarification.
Note that it would be inappropriate and impossible to fact check every one of Marcus's ( or anyone else's ) posts.
The extent of 'falsity' in this ONE post and its follow-ups, was such that he was clearly trolling the forum. It was this ONE post and it's follow-ups that sealed his fate. Nothing in his other posting history could counter that impression.
It is my opinion, and only my opinion, that it's fine to occasionally change minor facts to retain anonymity. For example time shifting an event or adopting a real name sounding user Id, would not be a problem. It falls to intention and impact.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 12:07:37 PM
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An old Irish saying, at least in Woodside- A man who lies over drinks has many friends. The man who lies about drinking does not.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
February 2nd, 2022 at 12:23:13 PM
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You've exiled the acolyte, but what about his gamblin' guru?
I guess the sins of the father are not to be laid upon their children.
Also, a cursory review of forum rules does not show that your new rule has been codified in the form of an additional rule; please take pains to draft one so that all of us (ahem) are on notice.
I guess the sins of the father are not to be laid upon their children.
Also, a cursory review of forum rules does not show that your new rule has been codified in the form of an additional rule; please take pains to draft one so that all of us (ahem) are on notice.
"What, me worry?"
February 2nd, 2022 at 12:38:38 PM
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Dieter has self suspended for thread hijacking.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36891-james-grosjean-secret-codes/#post839997
I would have just issued him a warning, but will not override his decision.
Note that he will retain PM rights and will only use his moderator powers to the minimal extent, under supervision of fellow mods. He will not post to explain such actions.
And he won't show as red!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36891-james-grosjean-secret-codes/#post839997
I would have just issued him a warning, but will not override his decision.
Note that he will retain PM rights and will only use his moderator powers to the minimal extent, under supervision of fellow mods. He will not post to explain such actions.
And he won't show as red!
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 12:52:01 PM
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Quote: MrVYou've exiled the acolyte, but what about his gamblin' guru?
I guess the sins of the father are not to be laid upon their children.
Also, a cursory review of forum rules does not show that your new rule has been codified in the form of an additional rule; please take pains to draft one so that all of us (ahem) are on notice.
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You refer implicitly to member MDawg as Marcus's gamblin' guru ( fair enough to do )
Marcus has been penalised solely for his own mischief.
IF he felt influenced by his guru, that is his lookout. IF he only feigned influence from his guru, then that too, is his lookout.
MDawg will be judged only by MDawg's own actions, not by those of his disciples. We have no evidence of undue influence or mischief by MDawg. If that changes, we will deal with that as it happens.
No accusation for MDawg to answer to.
I don't think we have a new rule to codify. We have a fresh interpretation, which I would characterise as
"A pattern of ( apparent ) lying to the forum might constitute trolling of the forum" and interpretation of that is by the moderators
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 1:17:43 PM
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Quote: OnceDearDieter has self suspended for thread hijacking.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36891-james-grosjean-secret-codes/#post839997
I don't think Deiter should have been suspended or even should have self suspended
yes, it was a technical violation but so is not coming to a full stop at a right turn on red, but most cops will overlook it
Dieter is a very valuable, and insightful poster and a very courteous mod
i think teliot's protest was too strong
I understand he did a lot of work to come up with the answer but still
I was also one of the hijackers he referred to so I apologize to him for that since it was very important to him
I wouldn't have guessed that
so many threads are "hijacked" which is a very strong word - it often seems like a natural thing to veer off the topic somewhat
I don't really care when one of my threads gets "hijacked" because I don't believe "The Complete Works of Lilredrooster" will ever become a best seller
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
February 2nd, 2022 at 1:18:38 PM
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Quote: OnceDearI don't think we have a new rule to codify. We have a fresh interpretation, which I would characterise as
"A pattern of ( apparent ) lying to the forum might constitute trolling of the forum" and interpretation of that is by the moderators
Just so we're clear: you propose this to be an "Interpretation" of rule 20, the anti-trolling / nuclear option rule?
If so, should it not be written and enunciated as such, as failure to do so will not put posters on notice?
Rules are guideposts to keep us on the correct path, and if the correct path is not made known how then can people be fairly punished for stepping off of it?
"What, me worry?"
February 2nd, 2022 at 1:26:15 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: OnceDearI don't think we have a new rule to codify. We have a fresh interpretation, which I would characterise as
"A pattern of ( apparent ) lying to the forum might constitute trolling of the forum" and interpretation of that is by the moderators
Just so we're clear: you propose this to be an "Interpretation" of rule 20, the anti-trolling / nuclear option rule?
If so, should it not be written and enunciated as such, as failure to do so will not put posters on notice?
Rules are guideposts to keep us on the correct path, and if the correct path is not made known how then can people be fairly punished for stepping off of it?
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All good points.
Everything in the rules is as applied and interpreted by the moderators. They are there as much for our benefit as for the members.
I'll flag it for discussion with the other moderators, when we get the chance.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 1:37:13 PM
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Quote: WizardIf the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling.
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Someone has edited rule 12 to add...
Quote: rule 12
If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling.
Generally, only Wizard edits that rule set, apart from fixing typos.
Quote: RulesThese rules should be considered as a guideline of what we will not tolerate. Just because a behavior is not on this list does not mean it will be tolerated or go unpunished. The administration reserves the right to punish any activity it deems disruptive to the forum, whether against these rules or not.
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The punishment for violating these rules will be meted out on a case by case basis. Options include a warning, temporary ban, and permanent ban.
So there you have it. Break the rules and any arbitrary penalty might be meted out. Don't break the rules and under rule 20, you can get banned. Rule 20 is a rule, so under rule 20 you might get a warning or temporary ban instead.
We have enough rules, IMHO..
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 2nd, 2022 at 1:52:42 PM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: OnceDearDieter has self suspended for thread hijacking.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/36891-james-grosjean-secret-codes/#post839997
I don't think Deiter should have been suspended or even should have self suspended
yes, it was a technical violation but so is not coming to a full stop at a right turn on red, but most cops will overlook it
Dieter is a very valuable, and insightful poster and a very courteous mod
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I agree and have already said as much.
First, let me be clear. I consider thread hijacking a very trivial misdemeanor. Most times it would get no more than a mild rebuke, certainly not a suspension for the odd occasion. I would certainly not have suspended anyone for this event.
We moderators are held to a somewhat higher standard, but even with that, i would not have extended to more than a rebuke to Dieter and a reminder to the others.
I don't think for one second that Wizard would have imposed a penalty either! So please don't think of this as favouritism or turning a blind eye to my colleague.
However Dieter, being ever the honourable Mod, saw fit to self suspend. It is not my place to over-rule him, though wizard might.
I have requested Dieter to still do some duties as moderator, as though he were a secret mod (I.e he gets another mod to write up any actions ) He doesn't get a 3 day holiday that easily $:o)
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
