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September 19th, 2014 at 2:56:10 PM permalink
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AxelWolf
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:08:58 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Mike has no way of accessing PM's not related to him, is my understanding, so I doubt if the sale of the site would have changed the way the message board is coded. We have no access to PM's or passwords.

I think people are worried the new owners can find a way to mine this information.
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:12:41 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I find it *amazing* that the deal came together this quickly, and that Mike had no idea a fat payday was on the horizon when the tin cup was shaken.

But as I think Mike is credible, I accept as true the notion that he had no idea this deal was brewing when the tin cup was passed around and filled (although not by me: I never give money to roadside beggars, let alone quasi-genius actuaries).

Things can and do happen quickly, no doubt about it.



I think the reality of how this happened is different than how you're looking at it. I'm not speaking for Mike, but I'm looking at everything he's said in the past few months about this. He did everything he could think of to stay independent and continue to operate, including the humbling and embarrassing experience of asking for donations when he's always funded the site himself. He has probably had many offers of various types for the websites over the past few years, but did not want to sell, as he's mentioned before. A series of really ugly things happened; don't forget Cyprus confiscating an incredible amount of money, for example.

The time came when he had to make some really hard choices, and he had assets he could monetize. A man provides for his family first, and that's what it came down to. I think it's way too early to panic, and suggest folks give him a day or two to decide what he wants to say on here, because this has been a labor of love, and he is having a hard time with all of it.
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Mission146
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:12:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think people are worried the new owners can find a way to mine this information.



I suppose that's theoretically possible, but I still don't see it as a reason for everyone to leave. If anyone thinks this is something about which to be concerned, simply delete your PM history.
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:13:47 PM permalink
I should also say CONGRATULATIONS to Mike! I think it's about time all the hard work he put into these sites over the years pays off!
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thecesspit
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:18:29 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Mike has no way of accessing PM's not related to him, is my understanding, so I doubt if the sale of the site would have changed the way the message board is coded. We have no access to PM's or passwords.



If I have your site and the DB, I have access to your PMs you have sent that still exist in the Inbox. Especially on the WoV site, where it's been handcoded. I may not have your password, but I'm pretty sure I can change it to one I want to use and then log in as you.

Same here as well as 100's of other places.

I assume no-one gives a flying one, and not someone paying 2.35 Million to see if I did really send an email to X telling him about the AP opportunity as Y. If they do give a flying one, then well, there's easier ways than spending the money to buy the site to find it out. A new owner might look through for curiosities sake. You'll just have to trust 'em. If you don't yet, I'd delete your inbox and wait and see.

And by the way... well done to Mike for the sale. Good on him.... I have no issue with donating a few bucks to him for the years I've used his sites. If he then sells them, well I was only paying for what I had used, not what the future held.
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aceofspades
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:28:32 PM permalink
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Unless you pay them to take the picture.



Even if you pay them, unless they release the image to you fully, not just for certain use, they still own the copyright
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Asswhoopermcdaddy
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:28:51 PM permalink
Just want to send a shout out to Mike and say congratulations. I think this huge payday solves any financial worries. You've created an incredible site and loyal following. Well done sir!
Pokeraddict
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:35:56 PM permalink
I just read Mike's blog post. I've done work for the new owner on other projects. He is involved in internet marketing. Those that think this is some conspiracy to hunt B&M APs are jumping to a ridiculous conclusion. If you are that concerned delete your messages and only use them to get skype info etc.
boymimbo
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September 19th, 2014 at 3:56:02 PM permalink
Congratulations to Mike on an investment that paid off!!!

He put a good solid 17 - 18 years into WOO to make it the Go-To site for gambling information on the net. I remember using it back in '02 to learn how to play Pai Gow, Craps, and the other games. I remember printing his cards for blackjack strategy.

Certainly, Mike shared the visits and page views with Chan, and Chan decided that a site getting that many page views has the potential to have a good return on investment and may drive traffic to his casino sites and affiliates.

Mike deserves every penny.

As for the privacy thing, I am absolutely positive that this site has been mined by every bot out there looking for our information. Now the new owners will have access to our PMs and our email addresses, and deleting them now doesn't mean that they won't be available on a backup somewhere or archived. But whenever we put something out there, be it a PM or anything that is sitting in a database, it can be mined and we should expect it to be so.

And for all of you saying, "my privacy, my privacy", you had chance to jump ship when Mike publicly stated that he was thinking about ditching the sites to generate some money. At that point in time, those who were privacy-conscious should have thought about that.

Here's a thought. Change the DB program to allow us to delete our consciousness from WoV, somewhere where we can login and hit a "delete all my WoV activity" button and have all of our posted be replaced by the word "deleted", and then remove our PMs and replace our email address with an xxxxx@xxxxx.com and change our password to something randomly generated, a "nuke my account" button, per se.

It's not like Mike is a Target or a Home Depot, and our CC information or SSN information is compromised. The new owner has our email addresses, and given that this site has no privacy policy that I recall reading, i am sure the new owners are figuring out how to market to us, which to be honest, I think is fair use for us using this site for the last five years or so for free.

So, personally, I say THANKS Mike for giving the thousands of us a great forum to discuss math, gambling, ObamaCare, HotBlonde's weight loss, and other stuff. THANKS Mike for providing WOO, the only truly non-biased and authorative site to discuss the true math of gambling. THANKS for spending the tens of thousands of hours to help turn noobs into ploppies into knowledgeable gamblers and a few APs to boot. THANKS for giving me this source of entertainment.

Thank you.
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