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mcallister3200
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September 19th, 2014 at 9:59:42 AM permalink
Surprised I have not seen it here yet, but according to an article on calvinayre.com, our humble leader Mr. Shackleford has sold the wizard of odds and WoV websites to latestcasinobonuses.com but will stay on as a staff writer. Congratulations Michael, you have definitely put an immeasurable amount of hard work into your sites over the years and the entire gambling community from recreational players to ap owe you thanks, and deserve every dollar. I hope not much changes although I'm sure there will be more advertising.
aceofspades
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:07:46 AM permalink
WOW Congrats Mike

$2.35mil is a very nice sum and well-deserved!!!



Now, to the selfish questions:


What about our profiles and/or real names/identities?

I implicitly trusted Mike with this information - what is our fate now?

I assume they will appoint their own ADMINS

Does the purchaser have affiliations with any brick and mortar casinos that might be interested in our identities hereon?

Sorry for these questions :) Just doing my due diligence
odiousgambit
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:14:37 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

$2.35mil is a very nice sum



What? How did he ever get that donation out of me? [g]

*turning off smartass mode*

Congratulations, Wizard!
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Boz
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:16:38 AM permalink
Happy for Mike and anyone who cashes out on their hard work in building a brand or business. You earned it.


As Ace stated sad for the selfish reasons in wanting nothing to change.

Thanks for everything, Wizard and CONGRATS!
MidwestAP
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:20:31 AM permalink
Good to see Mike benefit from the hard work he has put into both WOO and WOV! Time will tell what changes will come about as a result of the sale.
odiousgambit
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:25:42 AM permalink
geez guys, took me a while to find the article

http://calvinayre.com/2014/09/19/business/the-lcb-network-acquires-wizard-of-odds-for-2-35-million/
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strictlyAP
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:31:31 AM permalink
donations returned ?? lol
The bet will not be paid- not now not ever
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:36:40 AM permalink
Mike's buying dinner! Lol, congrats again Mike.
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:42:46 AM permalink
Congrats Wizard. The 7 figure payment is proof of how much value your work has brought to the lives of others, and for decades you have been giving that information to people like me for free, What a wonderful service to humanity. Cheers!
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terapined
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:42:56 AM permalink
Hmm, 2.35 mil,
Sounds like we need a celebration party in Vegas,
Drinks on Mike? Dinners on Mike? At 2.3 mil, I think its fair. How about going for it, the Bachanal :-)
How about it Mike, drinks and dinner party to reward us for the member posts on this board.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
MrV
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:49:59 AM permalink
article

So now the site is owned by an online casino conglomerate?

Funny how life works: one month Mike is waving his tin cup for spare change, and now (by implication, at least) he's a millionaire.

I don't quite know yet how I feel about the new owner realizing some financial gain from the forums: it was cool when it was just Mike, because he's a real guy, a mensch; but a nameless, faceless corporation is another thing entirely.

Anyway, well played, Mike.

*Ka-ching*
"What, me worry?"
AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:51:00 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

WOW Congrats Mike

$2.35mil is a very nice sum and well-deserved!!!



Now, to the selfish questions:


What about our profiles and/or real names/identities?

I implicitly trusted Mike with this information - what is our fate now?

I assume they will appoint their own ADMINS

Does the purchaser have affiliations with any brick and mortar casinos that might be interested in our identities hereon?

Sorry for these questions :) Just doing my due diligence



This is my concern too. I think I'm done here.
RonC
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:51:50 AM permalink
My immediate reaction is to congratulate Mike for a huge deal. This site and vegasmessageboard.com are the ones I use to learn about games (here) and read more about actual play (here and there) when a trip is coming up. I know I don't talk as much about math or any of that stuff but I do learn a lot from this site.

The secondary reaction is: what will happen to this site? It is easy to say no changes are anticipated, but that is harder to make happen. I also share the concern about my personal information and I hope that is addressed shortly.

Nothing every stays the same...

but...I'm in Vegas the next four days if Mike wants to buy me dinner!!
ajemeister
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:58:05 AM permalink
congrats Mike!! I hope this site maintains its code of excellence which brought me here in the first place. The community here is amazing and it sure does teach me a thing or two about gambling and life in general. Nice work!
rainman
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:59:15 AM permalink
Might be time for me to ride off into the internet sunset. No Mike no me.
AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 10:59:50 AM permalink
So, is there any way for us all to delete our accounts and personal information before everything is turned over to the spammers who we've been sold out to, or are we all just assfucked?
MrCasinoGames
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:05:59 AM permalink
Congrats Mike.
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CrystalMath
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:19:14 AM permalink
Congratulations, Mike.

I really hope the quality of this forum doesn't decay. It always motivated me that there was a real man behind the curtain, and that my contributions would improve his site.
I heart Crystal Math.
kewlj
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:22:49 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

This is my concern too. I think I'm done here.



Ditto. I've enjoyed participating here, but I don't think continuing to do so will be very beneficial. I weigh every decision in terms of risk vs reward and the needle has just moved.

Congrats to Mike tough. Well deserved payday for his hard work.
chickenman
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:25:08 AM permalink
Congrats, Mike. Good to see hard work rewarded.

Have to consider now personal info changing hands so maybe bon voyage.
AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:25:25 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Ditto. I've enjoyed participating here, but I don't think continuing to do so will be very beneficial. I weigh every decision in terms of risk vs reward and the needle has just moved.

Congrats to Mike tough. Well deserved payday for his hard work.



Yeah, good for him. Now he has money and spammers have all of our information, including every PM that we have ever sent.

Thanks Mike! Enjoy your money.
4ofaKind
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:31:48 AM permalink
I was offered a job for online casino reviews.

Good luck Mike.

Like we say in Italian ... Ciao ...
RonC
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:37:06 AM permalink
It'd be nice to hear from the man himself about this...I understand he may have had to wait until after the formal announcement, but I also expect details on protection of our privacy (or lack thereof) and other stuff related to new ownership.
RS
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:39:45 AM permalink
Plot twist: Wizard didn't sell the websites for 2.35 mil....he sold our information for 2.35 mil.
4ofaKind
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:47:26 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Plot twist: Wizard didn't sell the websites for 2.35 mil....he sold our information for 2.35 mil.



What's everyone worried about? What information can they gather that could be detrimental to anyone. An e-mail address?
AxelWolf
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:50:46 AM permalink
Looks like I bid a bit low. Oh well, I'll wait until they sell it off, if anyone is left.
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thecesspit
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:54:33 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Plot twist: Wizard didn't sell the websites for 2.35 mil....he sold our information for 2.35 mil.



Hahahahaa! Nah, he sold the traffic his websites gather. Your information, and the 1000's of sign ups here are not worth millions. The traffic probably is.

EDIT : Total Members: 8,372 - $280 per member? Ha!
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:57:57 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Plot twist: Wizard didn't sell the websites for 2.35 mil....he sold our information for 2.35 mil.



I find this humorously ironic.

Nearly everyone on this forum knows more than I do about the internet and privacy protection.

I mean I am an analog man in a digital world, but I still know better than to expose info to anyone I haven't personally shook hands with on the internet for crying out loud. It amazes me how good at this many of you are.

Did not you all see the data mining from the "cloud". Keeriminee sakes. It has been on the news on every outlet [including Fox, nbc's, democracy now, and probably even rush friggin limbaugh] for years, if it is digitally broadcast on any leg of a transmission it is recorded and no longer private.

There are people here who make a living ap'ing, good grief.

I read a news forum. Two guys were arguing about who had the best internet kung-fu and one of them came on and told the other guy his name and street address and asked if his opponent wanted to continue? Shortly after it was scrubbed and I never heard from the second place contender again.

The mass data storage center in Utah is supposed to come on line this month. I get a trade journal from people working out there, at least that part of it isnt a conspiracy theory.
AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 11:58:37 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Plot twist: Wizard didn't sell the websites for 2.35 mil....he sold our information for 2.35 mil.



Exactly. Never let it be said that anyone is above someone like this. Everyone has a price. Be careful of who you trust.
aceofspades
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:00:29 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

including every PM that we have ever sent.




This is not good.

Mike…?
rdw4potus
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:00:31 PM permalink
Registration does not require a name, let alone your real name. What info stored here would be saleable?
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AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:01:49 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

I find this humorously ironic.

Nearly everyone on this forum knows more than I do about the internet and privacy protection.

I mean I am an analog man in a digital world, but I still know better than to expose info to anyone I haven't personally shook hands with on the internet for crying out loud. It amazes me how good at this many of you are.

Did not you all see the data mining from the "cloud". Keeriminee sakes. It has been on the news on every outlet [including Fox, nbc's, democracy now, and probably even rush friggin limbaugh] for years, if it is digitally broadcast on any leg of a transmission it is recorded and no longer private.

There are people here who make a living ap'ing, good grief.

I read a news forum. Two guys were arguing about who had the best internet kung-fu and one of them came on and told the other guy his name and street address and asked if his opponent wanted to continue? Shortly after it was scrubbed and I never heard from the second place contender again.

The mass data storage center in Utah is supposed to come on line this month. I get a trade journal from people working out there, at least that part of it isnt a conspiracy theory.



I pretty much accept that the government knows everything about everyone. I don't like it but it's the world we live in.

But when we signed up for this site we put our trust in someone who was supposed to be trustworthy. The word integrity gets thrown around a lot. I guess it's not a matter of if someone has integrity, but how much. Most people would probably sell us out for $100. At least we got sold out for a couple of million!
AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:02:51 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Registration does not require a name, let alone your real name. What info stored here would be saleable?



email addresses. Also many people here pm personal information for the purposes of meeting up, or just communicating outside of PM.
GWAE
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:06:22 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

email addresses. Also many people here pm personal information for the purposes of meeting up, or just communicating outside of PM.



unless Mike lied in the past, he has said that he has no access to PMs. However, I am sure a smart web designer would be able to figure out how to get access. What if you all just delete your PM history. That is if they haven't already done some kind of preemptive data capture.
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:08:00 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Plot twist: Wizard didn't sell the websites for 2.35 mil....he sold our information for 2.35 mil.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

At least we got sold out for a couple of million!


WoO is the money-making site, not this one. Without WoO, I doubt there would have been any interest at all.

BTW, even though I agree with everyone's concerns about privacy, let's not get carried away with the paranoia...lol
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:08:34 PM permalink
It's about advertising, not information. If you
spend X amount, you expect to get x amount
back over the next 3 years, usually. Because
the company who now owns
these sites buys online casinos. all the ad's
will be related to that, I'm sure.
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Beethoven9th
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:10:45 PM permalink
Unless DT is also included in the deal, I have a feeling it will start getting a lot more traffic soon! lol...

This was a brilliant move by the Wizard. Get paid for WoO and WoV, and get more traffic on DT as a result. ;)
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AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:13:45 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

unless Mike lied in the past, he has said that he has no access to PMs. However, I am sure a smart web designer would be able to figure out how to get access. What if you all just delete your PM history. That is if they haven't already done some kind of preemptive data capture.



Mike said that he and the admins don't read them, not that they can't.

Of course they can be read. They are stored in plaintext in a fucking database. You don't need a "smart web designer", you just need someone with access to the database and some kind of a basic clue about which end of a computer is up.

In any system where you can recover your password, it's not possible to make them unreadable. In a system where you can't recover a forgotten password, it's possible, but a pain in the ass.
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:15:16 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

unless Mike lied in the past, he has said that he has no access to PMs.



Anyone who owns a site has access to every single thing that takes place on their site. Every owner could read every single pm that ever went through the site.

Edit - Axiom above me posted while I was typing.
AxiomOfChoice
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:18:25 PM permalink
Well, since I'm done on this site anyway, I just want to take the opportunity to say:

EvenBob, it's so obvious that you are an internet troll, it's not funny. How anyone falls for your bullshit is beyond me. The only thing that is even more surprising than that is that you have not been nuked yet. I will truly never understand that one. You must have something on someone with power around here. It's the only possible way.

Occasionally, you are funny, but mostly, you are an asshole. And probably a 27 year old virgin living in his parents' basement.
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:21:16 PM permalink
Looks like a new contest, who can go out with the best last post.

Early leader in the clubhouse.....AxiomOfChoice, but by no means the course record, and plenty of players still on the course.
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:22:28 PM permalink
I definitely need to go back and identify all the members that lambasted Wiz for being such a bad business person........wonder what percentage of them have ever sold any business asset for six figures, let alone seven?
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:22:47 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Looks like a new contest, who can go out with the best last post.

Early leader in the clubhouse.....AxiomOfChoice, but by no means the course record, and plenty of players still on the course.



The greenies are gonna spread some red soon!!
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:26:07 PM permalink
Mass chaos lol. Anarchy on WoV.
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:34:31 PM permalink
Any golden parachutes for our moderators?
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:36:44 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Mike said that he and the admins don't read them, not that they can't.

Of course they can be read. They are stored in plaintext in a fucking database. You don't need a "smart web designer", you just need someone with access to the database and some kind of a basic clue about which end of a computer is up.

In any system where you can recover your password, it's not possible to make them unreadable. In a system where you can't recover a forgotten password, it's possible, but a pain in the ass.



I'm going to address just this (not the sale) from my knowledge, and I could stand corrected from JB and Wizard. Admins do not have any access to PM's. We do not have access to passwords. We are able to edit and delete publicly posted threads and posts to a thread to a limited extent; we are not able to edit polls.

It is possible that JB can recover a forgotten password, I suppose, but my best understanding is that he cannot; when someone forgets one, he verifies their ID via the email they originally used to sign up and other processes, then allows for a password reset. I could be wrong about this. JB can, with some work, port/graft one ID's posts into another. (I found that out during the "AcesandEights" duplication). Regular admins can not do these things.

I am not aware of any future intent or past activity in selling or marketing any forum member info to any third party or new owner. But that's getting beyond my knowledge of how the deal is structured, so I'll leave that to Mike.

Please accept my congratulations, Mike, on the sale.
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aceofspades
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:38:37 PM permalink
Hey BBB are you staying on as a mod?
GWAE
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:40:56 PM permalink
Bbb did the mods know about the sale. Just curious if he informed you all or was this thread news to you as well.
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terapined
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:41:55 PM permalink
Alot of responses and questions.
I see the Wiz is on the site right now.
Probabbly reading this thread, I am hoping for a post from the Wiz.
(Or he left his browser open on this site and not at his computer)
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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September 19th, 2014 at 12:42:51 PM permalink
You guys are really paranoid. This is an internet marketer looking to place ads, not a b&m looking to out APs.

Congrats Mike I heard this rumor last week and was waiting for it to play out. You earned it for all your hard work. Happy to see you are staying on board.
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