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thecesspit
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May 5th, 2012 at 7:33:31 AM permalink
Calm down. He made a joke.
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Paigowdan
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May 5th, 2012 at 7:41:20 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Calm down. He made a joke.



Cesspit, I am calm, and I responded calmly.
1BB took a shot a me, and I calmly defended myself.
Shouldn't you tell that to him?
Please re-read this thread.
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Nareed
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May 5th, 2012 at 7:55:53 AM permalink
Here's an idea.

How about making a thread for discussing and criticizing SHFL 2, and leaving Pacman room here to update this event. After all, the people who do matter as far these events go, the game developers themselves, are fine with it. While the person making all the objections, flames and noise doesn't even have a dog in the fight.

I don't have anything at stake here, beyond rooting for the board members involved and wishing them success with their games. But I do care about the board. I think it's good to have these types of events advertised and followed up here. Think about it. The game distributor is coming here to look for new games. That tells you something about the quality of the game inventors who come here, and of the Wizard's math work for some of them as well.

Is this something we want to drive away from here by drowning it in noise?
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UCivan
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:10:49 AM permalink
Quote: Pacman

Shuffle Master in the next 4-6 weeks will conduct another--albeit different--focus group for new table games.

Here are the specifics:

1. All Joes, no Pros. No SHFL games will be on display. All other developers are welcome, whether they are complete rookies or seasoned veterans.

Roger

Roger, Could you please clarify the difference between "Pros" and "seasoned veterans"? I assume "Pros" means "game design and/or game distribution is your full time job / work" and "seasoned veterans", all others. Any better ways to distinguish these two?
rdw4potus
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:18:50 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

There's nothing fixed, and there never was.


1BB, You won't be picked.



Dan - Assuming a random, non-fixed drawing, only one of those two things could be certain:-)

Also, as you've said, Roger is a no-nonsense professional. I doubt he needs or wants 3 pages of "defense" from a 3 sentence long joke, you know?
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Pacman
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:19:28 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Roger, Could you please clarify the difference between "Pros" and "seasoned veterans"? I assume "Pros" means "game design and/or game distribution is your full time job / work" and "seasoned veterans", all others. Any better ways to distinguish these two?


I was just being cute with the PvJ reference. To clarify:
Pro = SHFL employee.
Joe = Anybody else.

No offense or derision intended.
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:21:29 AM permalink
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" ALL the other independent developers felt burned because the SHFL games all had positive scores, "inflicting" a very heavy curve on the results in some people's eyes."

Do you still stand by this statement, DAN ??????

You did not respond on the original thread.

Do i have to go to Vegas to get your answer? LOL
UCivan
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:24:37 AM permalink
Thanks. Re: date, will it be somewhere between 6/4 to 6/8? I am from out of town and would like the book a cheaper airfare now if I have some idea. No, you don't have to be committed to the exact dates; just a rough idea will do.
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:26:40 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Thanks. Re: date, will it be somewhere between 6/4 to 6/8? I am from out of town and would like the book a cheaper airfare now if I have some idea. No, you don't have to be committed to the exact dates; just a rough idea will do.


Around June 12.
Paigowdan
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:34:26 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Here's an idea.

How about making a thread for discussing and criticizing SHFL 2, and leaving Pacman room here to update this event. After all, the people who do matter as far these events go, the game developers themselves, are fine with it. While the person making all the objections, flames and noise doesn't even have a dog in the fight.

I don't have anything at stake here, beyond rooting for the board members involved and wishing them success with their games. But I do care about the board. I think it's good to have these types of events advertised and followed up here. Think about it. The game distributor is coming here to look for new games. That tells you something about the quality of the game inventors who come here, and of the Wizard's math work for some of them as well.

Is this something we want to drive away from here by drowning it in noise?



Kathy, I have a lot of dogs in the fight in the gaming industry. Table Game design is my every job every day at DEQ systems, like it is Pacman's job at Shufflemaster, plus I have to work every night after my day time work, to deal dice at a local casino, because I work at a smaller outfit.

To be frank, it's actually tough to be a Shufflemaster executive: if a Shufflemaster executive who really cares about his company, and cares enough to post honestly on an Internet Board about an upcoming table games event, then somebody will wrongly take shots at him and his company, by virtue of being the biggest target in the industry. Others will post about correcting mishaps, to see it better off for the next time, and for the benefit of all in the industry, AND be accused of ingratitude (and racism and necrophilia and what have you) also.

People may post very frank critiques and opinions on how things may or may not be done better, in hope of change of better, for expressing concerns and opinions; they may even be called "lacking in gratitude".
Quote: Nareed

I don't have anything at stake here, beyond rooting for the board members involved and wishing them success with their games. But I do care about the board.



So do I. I ALSO have massive stakes and investments in table games design, and in table games placement - as a table games designer who is working for the direct competitor of Shufflemaster, DEQ Systems; and I have NO problem with Roger or with Shufflemaster.

Frankly, I would like to see new games expositions go off as smoothly as possible for the benefit of us all, and in this regard, I have publicly offered up some good ideas about preparing a "fairer platform" - to review and assess new tables games both at this forum in gaming distributor companies, and I think some of my ideas I think have taken hold "through the noise" you gripe about - even if some of the noise came from me (Dan Lubin) and Pacman (Roger Snow). Shit, we were just working shit out. And that doesn't matter, as long as we all grow and perfect the process for the benfit of all us table game distributors and table game gamblers, - which is what counts.

Based on the specs of the second expo, I think progress was made for the benfit of us all.



as I said, table game design is my livelyhood in the Casino gaming industry - as it is paman's. Okay?
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