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THESWEENEY
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May 5th, 2012 at 1:47:54 PM permalink
Hiya Switch, just realised you're in my neck of the woods - I'm in Halesowen. I take it you know Stevie on a personal basis then. Good luck at SHFL2, they might need a referee. Nice to see this thread is so much more light-hearted that the previous one. I'm going to PM Roger and pitch for the 'Octagon Concession' at SHFL2.
buzzpaff
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May 5th, 2012 at 2:07:00 PM permalink
" ALL the other independent developers felt burned because the SHFL games all had positive scores, "inflicting" a very heavy curve on the results in some people's eyes."

Do you still stand by this statement, DAN ??????

I also asked what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Dan's answer " You for one, Buzzpaff, were left way out in left field once the results were tabulated on ALL the game submissions, - including YOURS - BUZZPAFF; "

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Dan's answer " You did not do quite as well as Shufflemaster's inhouse projects that had been a part of the original competition, and neither had I with Hong Kong Poker - "now that YOU ask." In fact, your game was shit-trashed in the scoring.

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Dan's answer " I do not count this as a basis for fawning or holding a patronizing position "

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Dan's answer " If you call my honesty ingratitude, I will say you are mistaken, as I express my professional relationship with Pacman (as I do with Earle Himself) by not lying to them on how I see things in gaming, - or in how situations went down. "

Now i will ask a different question Dan

" You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency ?

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.
Switch
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May 5th, 2012 at 3:42:30 PM permalink
Yes I know Stevie very well - he told me that you go to The Broadway quite often, I should be there tomorrow evening with Steve.
UCivan
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May 5th, 2012 at 4:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

I fly in on the 7th so count me in to be at SHFL2.

Switch, don't you want to wait till you're drawn? Are U a "seed" designer? If you are, we have 5 spots left.
Switch
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May 5th, 2012 at 4:07:52 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Switch, don't you want to wait till you're drawn? Are U a "seed" designer? If you are, we have 5 spots left.



I'm over there on the 7th anyway ... I will be attending the Focus Group, possibly as a designer.
Paigowdan
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May 5th, 2012 at 6:27:53 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

" ALL the other independent developers felt burned because the SHFL games all had positive scores, "inflicting" a very heavy curve on the results in some people's eyes."

Do you still stand by this statement, DAN ??????


Yes, Buzz, as a matter of fact I do. I stood in the front of the room so that I could see people's reaction. People were stunned and perplexed, dumbfounded. I looked at you too, Buzz. You were frozen. Gary Willis and Johnny were besides themselve. Stacy (ME) was happy and very pleased with the results, but he too also seemed very surprised.
People came to terms with it, so the strange scoring was perhaps had a silver lining. In any case it WAS a great introduction to game development: ANYTHING can happen, we do NOT know what game will ever work out in the end or what problems may ever pop up UNTIL there are about 75 installs after two years of live table game play. and not a MOMENT before this, pretty much.

Quote: BuzzPaff

I also asked what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Dan's answer " You for one, Buzzpaff, were left way out in left field once the results were tabulated on ALL the game submissions, - including YOURS - BUZZPAFF; "

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?


Buzz, I stood in the front of the room gauging people's reaction. You were near the back, close to the table where Mike demo-ed his Mulligan Poker game. You looked frozen and stunned. I felt bad for all.

Quote: Buzzpaff

Dan's answer " You did not do quite as well as Shufflemaster's inhouse projects that had been a part of the original competition, and neither had I with Hong Kong Poker - "now that YOU ask." In fact, your game was shit-trashed in the scoring.

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?

Dan's answer " I do not count this as a basis for fawning or holding a patronizing position "

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?


I described the reactions of everybody in the room, including you. At that time, you were indeed surprised, stunned, and saddened, as were just about everyone except for Mike and Stacy/ME, who were pleased with the results. They were the only two were happy, really, aside from Rich, who is pure "good attitude and 'roll with the punches'" kind of an individual. It looked as if Mike and Stacy were two happy and animated individuals walking around a wax museum, for about 5 or 10 minutes - people's reaction were indeed as such. The fact that people came very quickly to terms with a 'solid taste' of the gaming industry was a VERY positive and good thing. This is what is required to "keep on trucking," because it's like that in gaming. And remember, we ALL have to go through a thousand painful failues before we get to the first yes or success, so in a sense the failures were simply the path that leads to success that may come, but it is always a surprising, difficult, and yes, painful at times journey - to get a hit game out. It is actually NORMAL to encounter mishaps, accidents, and surprises on this road. In a way, the new games event was perhaps the best thing that could have happened the way it did.
Now, Roger did a fine thing:
1. Gave us a chance, and expo for us.
2. There were some bugs in it, which is normal and part of the process.
3. He is human, as are we, and few things come out perfect the first time. Sometimes it may seem quite bad when it is not in the end.

Quote: Buzzpaff

Dan's answer " If you call my honesty ingratitude, I will say you are mistaken, as I express my professional relationship with Pacman (as I do with Earle Himself) by not lying to them on how I see things in gaming, - or in how situations went down. "

Now i will ask a different question Dan

" You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency ?


I have a very strong sense of decency, and it is also represented in my very plain-speaking, truthful, and honest opinions.

Doing totally honest post-mortems and autopsies is exactly how you birth the NEXT game baby or expo game event alive and better. We LEARN from ALL mistakes.

Quote: Buzzpaff

I ask again what statements, gestures, or body language did I exhibit that led you to believe I felt burned ?


Lack of affect; frozen stance; depressed look; stunned, even dumbfounded expression; etc.
It was a normal reaction, even a part of the very process itself. The fact that we're okay with it, and it was a positive event overall is a good sign and result, and a learning experience that is a part of the process: countless surprises and rejections on the road to possible success is the norm.
But most were surprised and stunned at the time, and moved on from it for the better.


Quote: Buzzpaff

Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.


??
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
rdw4potus
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May 5th, 2012 at 6:36:05 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: Buzzpaff

Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.




??



It's from Othello. I think Buzz would like it if you stopped telling him how he felt. That's something he knows better than you, and he quite obviously thinks you're wrong...
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
DJTeddyBear
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May 5th, 2012 at 7:10:10 PM permalink
I still haven't fully read the other thread, but since I got bumped, I got some time to kill while using McCarran's free WiFi...
I DID read this thread entirely....


1BB -
For the record, I recognized the joke. However, I felt it was particularly insulting. Had it not been for this forum, and my meeting and becoming friends with Dan because of WoV, I'd just be one of those guys on a forum with an idea but no way to move forward with it, other than to jump up and say, "Pick me!"


Dan -
I tend to agree with Buzz. I do not feel screwed in the slightest bit by the format of having to "compete" against Roger / ShuffleMaster games.

Frankly, I never believed that the event was a "competition." It was a way to get thoughts and opinions about all the games presented. Oh, sure, Mike's game may be getting special attention now, but not because he finished ahead of all the other independents, but because his game is simple, and too damn good to ignore.

Do you really think Roger's games scores so well because of Roger's personal influence on the judges? Really? Are you saying Roger intentionally hired Yes Men and Ass Kissers?

For the record, while I was in his office, rather that cut my time short, he invited me to sit in on a 10 minute layout and logo design meeting. To give the artists an idea of the games, we played them for a couple hands. One was one of the games from the show. The other was something so ingenious, simple, elegant - not to mention very well named - that I was practically sh*tting my pants over it.

Sigh, Roger swore me to secrecy. When he announces it, or gives me the green light to talk about it, you too will say "friggin' awesome!"
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DJTeddyBear
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May 5th, 2012 at 7:19:45 PM permalink
P.S. . .
To reply to new posts while I was typing on my iPhone ...

I think all of those involved - particularly those that got negative scores - expected to do higher. If any of us seemed stunned at the scores (I know I was) it was just the initial shock. I started to feel better about my results after hearing the feedback.
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
buzzpaff
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May 5th, 2012 at 8:49:48 PM permalink
" " ALL the other independent developers felt burned because the SHFL games all had positive scores, "inflicting" a very heavy curve on the results in some people's eyes."

Dan Lubin is the new Sigmund Frued. He is able to see that I was disappointed at my poor performance. And without speaking to me, or anyone I talked too, he was able to diagnose that I felt burned because all the Shuffle Master had positive scores. Next you will be telling me I was under tremendous stress and my poor performance was due to my " choking up "

You know Dan, had I written what I first thought when you posted that " ALL" comment I would have been suspended for a minimum of 30 days at least. The only game I was sure of was SMI was xx poker because Switch was kind enough to evaluate my game protection against counters for me.

And I shared your great advice pre the focus group with DJ Teddy Bear. I had no idea why you thought I was pissed that SHF games had high scores. Did you do a VULCAN mind melt or something ?

I have suffered from foot in mouth disease in the past, but it was always my own foot, not yours. Until you improve you mind reading techniques, I suggest you shut up.

Read my post tomorrow of my exact thought process thru the Dinner and Focus Group . The one person I never lie to is me !!

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