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August 9th, 2016 at 9:55:01 PM
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I usually play triple play DDB for quarters if I play Ultimate X. I tried a little 10 play bonus last summer and hit the elusive back to back full houses for $1050. That was one of the cooler "jackpots" I've ever hit.
August 9th, 2016 at 10:04:04 PM
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Free soda?Quote: GWAE
PS: don't mind the pay table, I have a reason for playing it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 10th, 2016 at 3:06:52 AM
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The machine is super close to the pop machines.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 10th, 2016 at 8:19:29 AM
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Quote: GWAEThe machine is super close to the pop machines.
"pop" machine. You Midwesterners crack me up
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 10th, 2016 at 8:25:58 AM
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Quote: DRich"pop" machine. You Midwesterners crack me up
yinz don't use the word pop?
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 11th, 2016 at 9:01:54 AM
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1st time getting 4 quads on redraw!
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Aug 11, 2016
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
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August 11th, 2016 at 9:12:57 AM
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Quote: 100xOdds1st time getting 4 quads on redraw!
http://imgur.com/a/hqzId
Freaky
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August 11th, 2016 at 9:36:33 AM
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We have really started posting 60 dollar jackpots lol
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August 11th, 2016 at 9:47:28 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingWe have really started posting 60 dollar jackpots lol
My first ever royal was for $80 on a 2¢ game!
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 11th, 2016 at 12:33:29 PM
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Aw come on now. It was a nice hit. Not everyone gets to play in the private VIP room.Quote: WizardofnothingWe have really started posting 60 dollar jackpots lol
I say congrats! And I say check the $1 machines too ;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
August 12th, 2016 at 10:08:14 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingWe have really started posting 60 dollar jackpots lol
With permission:
Because I NEVER get any good hits when it is MY MONEY, (just kidding, but it seems like I run better on other peoples' money) I played Ultimate Four of a Kind Bonus for the first time ever for WoN two nights ago for him and on his money. I played Joker Poker (Kings) for quarters and on my first natural 4OaK (no Jokers) won 75 credits and got to pick a bonus card. Of course, I picked the Joker (1 in 53) for 3,996 credits and won just over $1,000 on that hand, overall.
After fist-bumping WoN and some older guy sitting on my right, I was focused on running coin and went back to playing without taking a picture. It occurred to WoN first, after I had played a few hands, that I didn't take a picture of it and when he pointed it out I said, "Oh, (expletive omitted)!"
I later hit another natural quad and picked a 400 credit card, which I believe is the second best card one can pick.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 13th, 2016 at 2:59:26 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingWe have really started posting 60 dollar jackpots lol
Better? :)
edit:
I was down -$500 at $2500 coin-in at one point. :o
80% return.. wtf super variance at BP??
I'm about to try $2 double STP 3play (9/5 JoB version) to get to Diamond Aspirations lvl 1. (Need 25k TC more.)
dstp variance = 2.5x of the underlying game.
so variance of JoB = ~20, then dstp (JoB) = 50!
higher than double double bonus. (variance = ~45)
case in point: variance of full pay deuces wild = ~25.
I saw someone put in a $100 bill at a $0.25 machine, light a cigarette, and was at $0 before he finished the cigarette!
variance of BP is basically the same as JoB.
but if I get -20% swings in BP, then expect -50% swings at dstp (JoB)???
I might be down -$25k at $50k coin-in?
gulp...
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Aug 13, 2016
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
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August 13th, 2016 at 3:59:48 AM
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Much- 😉
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August 13th, 2016 at 2:00:10 PM
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More diamonds...
Normally I snap the picture as credits are racking up, so here's my cash out ticket for verification in case someone thinks I just happened to find someone else's...
Normally I snap the picture as credits are racking up, so here's my cash out ticket for verification in case someone thinks I just happened to find someone else's...
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 13th, 2016 at 2:13:43 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesMore diamonds...
Normally I snap the picture as credits are racking up, so here's my cash out ticket for verification in case someone thinks I just happened to find someone else's...
Good way to start the day. Congrats.
I have a question. Did this lock up? And do you find that most of the newer machines nowadays do not lock up on a <$1200 royal? I'm sure it's up to the casino, I would think they would rather they did not lock up. But I've seen more bartops lock up on a smaller royal. Most of the machines I've hit my last <$1200 royals on were newer machines and did not lock up. I recently had a brand new Bally Game Maker lock up on me for a $1000 royal. It took forever to get it settled.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
August 13th, 2016 at 2:56:35 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesMy first ever royal was for $80 on a 2¢ game!
$40 here. I'm moving up in the world though I guess. From Tunica a couple weeks ago. I actually may be overroyaled now, wtf?
Sorry I stole your Jack of clubs, GWAE. Machines apparently like people who say "soda" better I guess. :p
August 13th, 2016 at 4:22:49 PM
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Damn tring, that was at 24x, don't they usually go off by or around then. Have not player that game so I am not sure how it works.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 13th, 2016 at 7:01:07 PM
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Quote: bobbartopGood way to start the day. Congrats.
I have a question. Did this lock up? And do you find that most of the newer machines nowadays do not lock up on a <$1200 royal? I'm sure it's up to the casino, I would think they would rather they did not lock up. But I've seen more bartops lock up on a smaller royal. Most of the machines I've hit my last <$1200 royals on were newer machines and did not lock up. I recently had a brand new Bally Game Maker lock up on me for a $1000 royal. It took forever to get it settled.
These are older Game Kings. They don't lock up on $1000 royals. If the royal plus the other cash in the machine equals $1200 or more, it'll automatic print out the ticket for the winning amount of the hand(s) and leave the rest as credits. So you have to be careful not to leave them. I've almost done it twice.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 13th, 2016 at 7:05:59 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesThese are older Game Kings. They don't lock up on $1000 royals. If the royal plus the other cash in the machine equals $1200 or more, it'll automatic print out the ticket for the winning amount of the hand(s) and leave the rest as credits. So you have to be careful not to leave them. I've almost done it twice.
Ok. Thanks, Aces.
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August 13th, 2016 at 7:28:24 PM
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That's as bad as this
https://imgur.com/a/AWV78
https://imgur.com/a/AWV78
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August 14th, 2016 at 5:14:16 AM
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Quote: GWAEDamn tring, that was at 24x, don't they usually go off by or around then. Have not player that game so I am not sure how it works.
Yeah, I was a bit disappointed it didn't explode on that hand as they seem to explode more often in that range. I would have welcomed my first "real" jackpot I took a flyer on playing it as it was a bit lower than 24 when I started. I also blew up a 36X on the way out of town on my first shot, but only dealt high pair which went unimproved. I haven't had a real nice hit with a 12X multiplier yet. Someday...
August 14th, 2016 at 6:49:09 AM
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Do they explode in winning hands only or can you get a losing hand with a 36x? And does it explode after the gand or before the cards are dealt?
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 14th, 2016 at 10:52:21 AM
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Quote: GWAEDo they explode in winning hands only or can you get a losing hand with a 36x? And does it explode after the gand or before the cards are dealt?
You can brick.
Explodes before the deal.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
August 14th, 2016 at 12:01:11 PM
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Literally
Might be the worst vp game ever- it's so uneventful and the variance is gross- playing 10 credits per line for the chance to get multipliers like 1 out of 20 hands
Might be the worst vp game ever- it's so uneventful and the variance is gross- playing 10 credits per line for the chance to get multipliers like 1 out of 20 hands
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August 14th, 2016 at 10:53:30 PM
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Results:
http://i.imgur.com/uJg30ye.jpg
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Aug 15, 2016
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 14th, 2016 at 11:51:14 PM
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There is no picture there
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 15th, 2016 at 6:15:53 AM
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Quote: GWAEThere is no picture there
Made you look ;-)
Tee-hee
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
August 15th, 2016 at 9:15:34 AM
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Quote: GWAEThere is no picture there
whoops.. fixed
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 15th, 2016 at 9:22:09 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingLiterally
Might be the worst vp game ever- it's so uneventful and the variance is gross- playing 10 credits per line for the chance to get multipliers like 1 out of 20 hands
It's failed in most casinos alread, and it does suck when you get poor deals.
August 15th, 2016 at 9:26:28 AM
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Quote: 100xOddswhoops.. fixed
I would have just held the 2. Complete wrong play, but would have went for it. Probably cost about $8.00 in EV but worth it to me.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 15th, 2016 at 9:45:05 AM
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Quote: GWAEI would have just held the 2. Complete wrong play, but would have went for it. Probably cost about $8.00 in EV but worth it to me.
Much less than that. 85.2 cent error in that scenario. Before taxes of course.
August 15th, 2016 at 2:27:32 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneMuch less than that. 85.2 cent error in that scenario. Before taxes of course.
Gee boy was I off. I don't play deuces often. Is that 85 cents including the multipliers or just the base pay?
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 15th, 2016 at 3:08:23 PM
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99.58% sure it's including the multiplier.
I can't imagine it'd cost about 10% pre multiplier. It's a close call. I think VPW shows it as being slightly worse than holding the 2 by itself in most circumstances, at least on APDW.
I can't imagine it'd cost about 10% pre multiplier. It's a close call. I think VPW shows it as being slightly worse than holding the 2 by itself in most circumstances, at least on APDW.
August 17th, 2016 at 12:36:29 AM
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sooooooooooo close:
i like 5card pat hands with multiplier.
you cant improve so you cant be frustrated like when you have a deal multiplier with dealt 3oaK. then whiffing on the re-draw.
$480
10x!
$900
and if I ever play a game with multipliers that's not +EV, shoot me!
yup, lost all $900 trying to get 500tc (and bonus 125tc) :(
i like 5card pat hands with multiplier.
you cant improve so you cant be frustrated like when you have a deal multiplier with dealt 3oaK. then whiffing on the re-draw.
$480
10x!
$900
and if I ever play a game with multipliers that's not +EV, shoot me!
yup, lost all $900 trying to get 500tc (and bonus 125tc) :(
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Aug 17, 2016
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 17th, 2016 at 12:47:43 AM
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Well at 42 a hand, it doesnt take much to lose 900.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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August 17th, 2016 at 2:41:54 AM
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10/7 @ $2 denomination that's nice to have nowadays.Quote: 100xOdds
i like 5card pat hands with multiplier.
you cant improve so you cant be frustrated like when you have a deal multiplier and are dealt 3oaK. then whiffing on the re-draw.
sooooooooooo close:
10x!
$900
and if I ever play a game with multipliers that's not +EV, shoot me!
yup, lost all $900 trying to get 500tc (and bonus 125tc) :(
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 17th, 2016 at 6:06:45 AM
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NYC has 10-7 on every machine-
I wouldn't suggest playing it
I wouldn't suggest playing it
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August 17th, 2016 at 6:08:40 AM
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Duplicate - edited
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August 30th, 2016 at 9:43:30 AM
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Quote: 100xOdds
2nd Royal this month after not having one since 2014!
avg $2100 per Royal :)
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
October 9th, 2016 at 7:36:11 AM
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Lets see how badly I whiff this:
Results: http://imgur.com/a/ZeIht
Also, 8x (max) quads:
I like 4figure coin wins
Results: http://imgur.com/a/ZeIht
Also, 8x (max) quads:
I like 4figure coin wins
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Oct 9, 2016
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
November 19th, 2016 at 7:34:03 AM
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This one is for all you Stiffs and Sharpies who bad mouth the El Cortel! El Cortel is not a misprint... that is what I have called it for many years. I love it at the El Cortel... I play every weekend! Happy Thanksgiving to me and my family :) !!
November 27th, 2016 at 7:37:41 AM
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3 Royals in 8 days on single line. On a bit of a hot streak I suppose... good for the Holiday Season!
Not that it matters but down to 300 dollars on two machines and 30 on the other. Two of them at the El Cortel and the other at the Fremont. I love it downtown... I play everyday!
Not that it matters but down to 300 dollars on two machines and 30 on the other. Two of them at the El Cortel and the other at the Fremont. I love it downtown... I play everyday!
December 10th, 2016 at 7:38:14 AM
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Hit this one at about 2:30 am this morning. I had a hand come up that some of you math guys might have fun crunching the numbers if you are interested. I should of taken a picture but didn't think about till it was too late. I was trying to decide what was the correct hold. I have to admit I just took a guess and it was most likely close but I probably guessed wrong. The hand was just about where these numbers were on the meter since it was just before this royal. The hand was AaAc so the first two Aces in Position and after that it was KTJ suited. So with the meter the way it is was it better to go for the Sequential Aces or go for the Royal Draw?
Another Number Cruncher I had happen a few days ago on 100 play quarters. I flopped 4 to the royal 3 times in 2 hours and air balled all 300. First time I have ever air balled 300 royal draws on 100 play in my life. I feel like they owe me at least 5k if not 6k in reality but I am sure I have made 4 and 5 sets on other flops long ago.
I still have never spelled ACE$ or ACE$ in my lifetime :( Had a friend flop them 15 years ago on quarters thats the only one I have seen.
After this Royal I left with no tipping because the young slot kid was too much of a jerk and didn't know what he was talking about. I love it when they tell me I have to play the next hand to wipe the Royal away. I told him like almost everyone else. You can not force me to gamble. They don't ask me at the BJ table to bet 5 more dollars after I just won a thousand dollar bet and am leaving. Whoever started this BS about playing one more hand was pretty smart for the Casino side of things. I don't know the numbers but in general the Casino must make a fortune every year getting people to spin off jackpots! Anyways... I went to the next spot to earn some points and went on a 4oak rush for the next hour and a half making 11 quads. Not my best record but not that far off. Hit these Aces at about 4:30am... hit 4 8s next and 4 4s after that and decided to go home and rest.
Another Number Cruncher I had happen a few days ago on 100 play quarters. I flopped 4 to the royal 3 times in 2 hours and air balled all 300. First time I have ever air balled 300 royal draws on 100 play in my life. I feel like they owe me at least 5k if not 6k in reality but I am sure I have made 4 and 5 sets on other flops long ago.
I still have never spelled ACE$ or ACE$ in my lifetime :( Had a friend flop them 15 years ago on quarters thats the only one I have seen.
After this Royal I left with no tipping because the young slot kid was too much of a jerk and didn't know what he was talking about. I love it when they tell me I have to play the next hand to wipe the Royal away. I told him like almost everyone else. You can not force me to gamble. They don't ask me at the BJ table to bet 5 more dollars after I just won a thousand dollar bet and am leaving. Whoever started this BS about playing one more hand was pretty smart for the Casino side of things. I don't know the numbers but in general the Casino must make a fortune every year getting people to spin off jackpots! Anyways... I went to the next spot to earn some points and went on a 4oak rush for the next hour and a half making 11 quads. Not my best record but not that far off. Hit these Aces at about 4:30am... hit 4 8s next and 4 4s after that and decided to go home and rest.
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December 10th, 2016 at 8:10:20 AM
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Quote: monet0412Hit this one at about 2:30 am this morning. I had a hand come up that some of you math guys might have fun crunching the numbers if you are interested. I should of taken a picture but didn't think about till it was too late. I was trying to decide what was the correct hold. I have to admit I just took a guess and it was most likely close but I probably guessed wrong. The hand was just about where these numbers were on the meter since it was just before this royal. The hand was AaAc so the first two Aces in Position and after that it was KTJ suited. So with the meter the way it is was it better to go for the Sequential Aces or go for the Royal Draw?
I think this is actually kind of an easy one, because you had AA(JQ10), so that means you needed to hit two precise cards in order to spell ACE$.
The first thing that we know is that one is roughly 1/360 to convert a pair into Quads, so:
0.00277777777
The next thing that we have to do is determine the probability of ACE$, which is simple:
(1/47) * (1/46) = 0.00046253469
Okay, so the new probability of getting quad Aces, but not ACE$ is:
.00277777777-.00046253469 = 0.00231524308
Which means that, if you assume you will hit Aces, the probability of it being regular Quad Aces is:
0.00231524308/.00277777777 = 0.83348751113
Which means that the probability of it being ACES is 0.16651248887
Therefore, what we want to do is take .16651248887 of the ACE$ value from the paytable and add it to .83348751113 of the regular Quad Aces value:
(.16651248887 * 6441.72) + (.83348751113 * 400) = 1406.02183426
What we can then do is go to the hand analyzer:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/
We're going to use the return table for a regular Bonus Poker game, but we are going to replace the pay on Aces for what we know the average value of Quad Aces ($1,406.02) to actually be because of ACE$*****. And, yes, I adjusted the FH down to 7-for-1 and adjusted for the Progressive Royal.
Conclusion
If my methodology is correct, based on the average value of any four aces, including ACE$, the correct hold is to hold the pair of Aces by a mile. I was hoping it wouldn't be particularly close, that way my estimate for converting any pair into quads would be sufficient and I wouldn't need to get into exact numbers. Again, dividing the Royal and the average value of Aces by five, (because the hand analyzer is based on per coin) the value of the Aces was 2.227197 total bets and the three-royal was 1.950009, so not particularly close.
****Remember, that's only the average value on this particular hand because you already have ACxxx
Last edited by: Mission146 on Dec 10, 2016
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
December 10th, 2016 at 8:18:24 AM
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Thanks for the Free Rundown!! Did you factor this math for the 7200 Royal and 6400 ACE$, 7/5 Bonus?
December 10th, 2016 at 8:30:17 AM
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Not posting because of privacy and people may know it was me at this casino but Seminole properties might be the best ever as when you bit a jackpot you type your pin in and the machine unlocks and just adds the credit to your screen. No waiting for attendants and better yet no tips
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December 10th, 2016 at 8:37:56 AM
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Quote: monet0412Thanks for the Free Rundown!! Did you factor this math for the 7200 Royal and 6400 ACE$, 7/5 Bonus?
You're welcome, and why yes, yes I did.
And, actually, let me toss you something else to chew on that makes it an easy decision:
When you talk about regular 7/5 Bonus Poker, Aces would also be the correct hold in that situation, and in that situation, the Royal Flush pays 10x what the Aces does. In fact, AA(J,Kor10) is a better hold than KJ10 without the ACE$ thing on 7/5 Bonus.
Doing straight trial-and-error with the analyzer (because it's easier than figuring it out) on regular 7/5 Bonus with no ACE$ feature, the Three-Royal becomes an equally good hold at 1135-for-1, which would be a Royal Progressive of $5,675 with the Aces still paying $400, or 80-FOR-1. What that means is that the Royal pays 14.1875x more than the Aces, in that situation.
Now, your Royal was at 7,194.78, which means that, generally speaking, it would need to be worth 14.1875x of the value of the Aces (in any form) to be the better hold. In order for that to happen, the Quad Aces (including ACE$) could only have a combined value of $507.121057, or pay roughly 101.424211-FOR-1.
It's definitely not the sort of thing that is easy to figure out when you are actually there sitting at the machine, but if you know a few basic things (probability of converting a pair into Quads, probability of hitting a Royal on a three-hold, that you need to do 1/47 * 1/46 to get the probability of ACE$) it really isn't too tough to pull out the phone calculator and get to the point where you are making a really good guess.
In fact, were it me, I would start out with the hand analyzer and then work from there to determine what the ACE$ was doing for me.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
December 10th, 2016 at 10:02:12 AM
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Oh that's waaaay out of my league 😄!! Your second post was pretty sweet. Really enjoyable read! My problem is... I just need to get to the next hand so I can get to the next play or to the next unethical exploit 😁 !! However... I like your way better. I just make up mistake money from tips that shoulda went to some bartender, maid, family birthday present, friend Christmas present, etc etc !!
December 21st, 2016 at 11:44:50 PM
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https://imgur.com/gallery/Ws835
Nice xmas present
Nice xmas present
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December 22nd, 2016 at 12:28:22 AM
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Nice hit.
